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tgraca

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Crystal Battery #354 - Status
« Reply #255 on: December 13, 2014, 07:42:14 PM »
It finally died all at once this morning... It lasted over 2 weeks, which I think is good.
1 week is ok, 2 weeks is good, 3 weeks is great, 4 weeks is fantastic! The cell came right back to life with a little water, which is
what I am going for... if it can last at least 6 months with maintenance periods of 7+ days, that is "fantastic"!

Crystal Battery #354 - Built Nov. 26
Nov 27 - 1.21 volts
Nov 28 - 1080 mV
Nov 29 - 1083 mV
Dec 01 - 1065 mV
Dec 3 -  1056 mV (7 days)
Dec 10 - 925 mV (14 days)
Dec 13 - 413 mV - added 3 mL of water - day 17
 - 1203 mV (day 0)

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Crystal Battery #353 - Status
« Reply #256 on: December 13, 2014, 07:45:07 PM »
This cell is doing really well. It's the same build as #354, but has a white light instead of a green light - both LED's have the same specs...
but I think the green LED's are brighter and may use draw a little more power... or they are more efficient per lumen.... no maintenance
needed yet....

Crystal Battery #353 - Built Nov 25
Nov 26 - 1066 mV
Nov 27 - 1105 mV
Nov 28 - 1054 mV
Nov 29 - 1084 mV
Dec 1 - 1050 mV
Dec 13, 972 mV - day 18

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Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357 - Status
« Reply #257 on: December 13, 2014, 07:50:21 PM »
Had to maintain #357 today after 12 days... #356 had to maintain after just 8 days... I rate these as just "OK" builds....

Crystal Batteries #'s 356-357 - Built Dec. 1, 2014
Dec 08, 2014 (Day 7)
356 - original reading under load 870 mV - white LED
 - 638 mV
 - average loss 33 mV per day
357 - original reading under load 930 mV - green LED
 - 675 mV
 - average loss 36 mV per day
Dec 09
356 - was down to 623 mV - added 3 mL of water.  (day 8 )
 - 691 mV (under load).
357 - 660 mV
Dec 11
356 - 679 mV
357 - 628 mV
Dec 12
356 - 673 mV
357 - 624 mV
Dec 13
356 - 664 mV
357 - 613 mV
 - 871 mV - added 3 mL of water.  (day 12)

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #258 on: December 14, 2014, 03:21:07 AM »
@ Fausto after formation do you "seal" your cells, let them run and die, open up to water with epsom solution.
Ya i noticed my graph is not like yours, nor are they like my old ones(which i think is good).

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #259 on: December 14, 2014, 07:32:02 PM »
@ Fausto after formation do you "seal" your cells, let them run and die, open up to water with epsom solution.
Ya i noticed my graph is not like yours, nor are they like my old ones(which i think is good).


So, formation is the process of letting the cell die until almost fully dried. Then is when you add the Epson solution (a few drops only, may one or two) and voila, she will be alive and better now.

Sealing the cell is another process that is very complicated to replicate. I will not go through that process here yet.


Fausto.

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Manganese Oxide Batteries - MIT
« Reply #260 on: December 15, 2014, 04:47:00 PM »
Using a virus around Manganese Oxide nano tubes to grow batteries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUVrUIV4xu4

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Re: Crystal Battery #361 - Recycled Mag from #351 - Built Dec. 7, 2014
« Reply #261 on: December 15, 2014, 09:55:30 PM »
This turned out to be a weak cell. I think it is the borax crystal on the mag strip. I will recycle #'s 344-345 and use a hydrogen
peroxide solution to clean the mag strips from them to see if this makes a difference. I did learn that standard 3%  hydrogen
peroxide does a great job cleaning off copper and magnesium. There was approx. 44" of mag strip in this build. I tuned a new,
really easy to build JT circuit for this cell and it is running really well. No more resistors or caps! Video coming soon! 42+ volts
from this weak cell with the new JT circuit! Stay tuned!

Video: http://youtu.be/A2oIyWrKm8U

PS - I was worried I was going to fry the 3904 transistor, which is rated at 40 volts, but I left it hooked up for an hour before I
connected it to the crystal cell and it seems to be fine after the final build! Note that I gave this cell a 30-second zap too...
It's interesting how this cell increased power with maintenance. I cover my current maintenance method here too.

http://youtu.be/1mCc0eXI2Ss

Crystal Battery #361 - Recycled Mag Strips from #351 - The Build
Dec 7 - 2014 - 1M JT (Built)
Dec 9 - 577 mV over 7 mA under load (day 2)
Dec 10 - 564 mV 3.83 mA under load (day 3)
Dec 15 - 478 mV under load (day 8)
 - 668 mV under load after adding 3 mL of water

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #262 on: December 16, 2014, 08:47:54 AM »
Ok new cell , "Crystal Battery 2 F149".
Construction.
2.5 inch paper towel with F149.
2 Strips on Magnesium Ribbon together
Bare Copper wire
Formation..
Try as I might my 30V power supply will not play any more in the Formation process..it just trips :'(
So..19V DC for about 20 Seconds(quits Steaming)
4 Cells total in series.
load is a 5mm white LED.
Cells individually wrapped in plastic.
Ill this run til she dies and rest for a week in my dry house 8)


First chart is overall at formation assembly til screen cap.(the green line is where i bumped the clips :-[
Next chart is a close up towards end of chart.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #263 on: December 16, 2014, 08:27:06 PM »
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Pictures in chronological sequence.

1 - Another 400 k samples

2 - Another reset graph to start another 400k samples. At around 90k I did a quick testing with cell shorted to measure current. Observe how she stabilized at the bottom and once load removed how fast it recovered.

3 - Finally cell is dying. Observe that at sample 250 k I added a few drops of Epson solution to see if she would respond and to my surprise there was NO RESPONSE (just like when I used her last year and let it die). A very steady decay. At sample 340 k I disconnected the LED and another surprise, she decayed even faster WITHOUT a load. Now the remaining decay is exponential just like ALL other cells I have seen (like a capacitor discharge).

4 - Cell BEFORE I started this whole series of graphs. Observe the crystal (white stuff) on top of the cell. Grayish is corrosion and whitish is crystal.

5 - Cell After ADDING Epson solution when sample 250 k was reached (pic 3). It simply did not work adding Epson. It only helped to create more crystal without any extra power. Usually adding solutions at later times in cells they have a sharp response and return to where it was. This cell has no response.

6 - Example of another sister cell cast in resin BEFORE this whole graph series was started.


My Observations: Cell was a winner in performance compared to ANY other cell I have made. She was literally flat response until finally sudden death. She died really fast in the end which is not normal. Usually I have an exponential decay from day one, just like other pictures of members here in this forum.


Once I added more Epson salt I was expecting a "sharp bump" on the graph and later resume to where it was, BUT, that did not happened which really puzzled me.


Only after adding more Epson salts I had more crystal (white stuff) appearing and no power. Ultra strange again. Usually with crystal growth comes more power.


Cell is unresponsive to anything now. Adding water or any other solutions will only accelerate corrosion a die for sure. I will let her dry totally and resurrect her again later and put on graph by "activating" with Epson solution.


There is something very peculiar about FC62 (zapping) that allows the cell, after dormancy, to respond like that. I need lots more of experimentation.


Once again learned that once this kind of cell die, DO NOT ADD ANYTHING to it. Let it DRY completely and only then activate with Epson solution.


I "think" the sudden decays has to do with total water evaporation and starving the cell. Now she will need to dry and create a SOLID crystal structure that will allow her to run again, may be, another 1600 k samples. Will see if my theory is correct.


After dying she run even faster death WITHOUT A LOAD. Very, very, very strange.


I am crying again since she is not living for ever.  :'(
Fausto.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2014, 10:32:10 PM by plengo »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #264 on: December 16, 2014, 10:29:36 PM »
Ok new cell , "Crystal Battery 2 F149".
Construction.
2.5 inch paper towel with F149.
2 Strips on Magnesium Ribbon together
Bare Copper wire
Formation..
Try as I might my 30V power supply will not play any more in the Formation process..it just trips :'(
So..19V DC for about 20 Seconds(quits Steaming)
4 Cells total in series.
load is a 5mm white LED.
Cells individually wrapped in plastic.
Ill this run til she dies and rest for a week in my dry house 8)


First chart is overall at formation assembly til screen cap.(the green line is where i bumped the clips :-[
Next chart is a close up towards end of chart.


Interesting how your graph has changed dramatically. What do you think is the cause?


Are you using a JT? Usually with JTs it creates those saw tooth wave.


Let it really die WITH the load and take a picture of the cell with as much detail as you can. If you could (without destroying) open a cell also and take pictures and share here it will be great.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #265 on: December 17, 2014, 06:44:29 AM »
Crystal Cell 1 and 2 did not use a blocking oscillator
Crystall cell 1 was open, meaning cells not wrapped in plastic.
Crystal Cell 2 is wrapped in bubble wrap(insert veggie tales bubble wrap son here lol)
I think i will make another set..Crystal Cell 3 made same as 2 and if it behaves the same ill dissect that one.
Got a USB Micro scope to play with ;)


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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #266 on: December 17, 2014, 06:44:09 PM »
This is the kind of response I want people to replicate when creating a cell using F149 and FC62. Notice the stability of the cell under load.


Also look at the size of the cell (second picture). This cell is composed of 5 little cells. Each little cell is one strip of Magnesium ribbon of 3" in length, 3" length copper wire (probably 26 ga, those used for soldering electronic components) and 1/8" thick cupboard paper cut in 3".

The third picture is the diagram structure of the cell.


Note that when applying FC62 positive of power supply goes to positive of the cell (copper).


Fausto. 

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Crystal Batteries #365 Builds w/JT Circuit
« Reply #267 on: December 18, 2014, 12:45:26 AM »
I still have the other 3 builds - #'s 362-364 running on a bad JT design and they are fairly dim...
For #365, I am testing it with a 470 uH JT circuit like the one I used with crystal cell #359
 - added 2 mL water today
 - it gained over a volt of power under load - from 571 mV to 683 mV - low to descent light

I have been planning some new builds for a week now with just 1" of 1/2" D. copper pipe. My goals are:
 - no use of hypodermic needle for maintenance...
 - less copper pipe and mag strips
 - no caulk for sealing the cell

I will publish a new technique on the builds soon and put the cells into long term testing...
My current issue is that I am out of 1 mH inductors, which I think are the best for this type of JT circuit,
so I will be winding them until then, which takes time to wind and longer to assemble into the JT circuit...
I have 500 1 mH inductors coming in next month. I have a full stock of 3904 transistors in stock too, so...

If anyone wants some of these to test their SINGLE crystal batteries, let me know through a private message
and I will send you some when the 1 mH inductors come in... I would like to see you guys test individual
cells instead of 2 or more in series since your builds will NOT be exactly the same per crystal cell.

For example: If you make a bunch of crystal cells, which will definitely be different from each other, and then
connect them in series to a single LED, there is much less to be learned than if you connect each one up to a
single JT circuit and monitor all your cells separately... I would be willing to invest the postage and cost of the
components if you are willing to share how your cells perform. Thanks!

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Crystal Battery #56 Status - Day 359 With 10 mH JT Circuit
« Reply #268 on: December 20, 2014, 12:04:59 AM »
Talk about a "dormant" stage... This cell has experienced many...
http://youtu.be/xO8iG_6_Va4

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Re: Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter
« Reply #269 on: December 21, 2014, 12:52:22 AM »
Interesting his AA battery build:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ts34IWziqo


Fausto.