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Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« on: October 18, 2014, 10:23:56 PM »
Hello everybody.  :)

I intend to build a Quanta Magnetics "G1" Gyroscopic Inertia Generator kit and I believe this may be a good place to share my experience with this experiment on the “mechanic” board.
See product page here-  www.quantamagneticstore.com/g1.html

I initially tried to start this topic a few days ago but I unintentionally created it under the wrong board then no response from the admin to move it then lots of negativity from users who do not appear to even be interested in this experiment. So not sure why they are there or why I should even respond to such negativity because I cannot help those who refuse to help themselves or they appear merely to create controversy and distraction against these creative processes. Don't know if this is their intent and I do prefer to merely forgive and forget.   8)

So I am bringing this here under a more appropriate board and subject title for a fresh start.
(Second time is a charm?)

I am here merely to conduct this experiment with an open mind to build a device I have never seen before. And I have only witnessed a few very intriguing video *demonstrations. Although I do maintain continuing communications with the inventor who has always provided excellent support and personal service. Including some insight into the personal history and experiences of this inventor featured here-
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Mike_Kantz%27_Quanta_Magnetics
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www.youtube.com/user/PMMG4HYBRID/videos

My regular trade is: in-home Major Appliance Services.
My formal training is: Airframe and Powerplant Technician.
My contractor's web site is: www.rodsconctracts.com
My prefered social forum is: www.furaffinity.net/user/scorch/
Where you may discover many journals and images about my realities, my alter-egos, and other projects including these alternative energy experiments.

And one of my hobbies is exploring these alternative energy systems which, like some other hobbies such as model railroad or RC aircraft, can be very expensive.

In the past; most of the stuff I have built has been fabricated from raw materials and whatever information I could salvage from a grainy video or 'plans' found on the web. This, in itself, can get pretty expensive and I have actually sold an entire lot of old experiments on Ebay merely to make room in my limited work space and bring in some money to buy new materials or kits. Or very expensive in terms of time such as fabrication of my own coils including Litz windings.

In these particular fields of study there does not appear to be many decent experimental kits so I do have a high appreciation for Quanta Magnetics actually offering some of these types of kits. Which appear to be reasonably priced for a high quality design which is still being developed and supported including international sales.

In my reality; brand name printer ink typically sells for well over $5,000.00 per gallon and some of the people I know often spend this much, or more, on things with far less experimental value such as video games and/or furry costume suits. So, in the reality of this context, I consider the Quanta Magnetic offers to be very fair and reasonable.  :)

I already have experience building some other technologies such as the Bedini SSG and a few other things such as a modified Muller motor. And some experience building a Quanta Magnetics Q2 which I recently converted to a Q3 and have performed a couple preliminary tests with results that look really interesting including a toroidal generator section that suffers very little Lenz effect under a dead short load. As well as the affect of a 'charge accelerator' that rapidly charges the battery by way of a pulsed generator.

The disk generator section, itself, is being pulsed in a similar manner as the pulse motor but with a delay offset from the pulse motor so the generator pulse takes place after the pulse motor 'fires'.

This means that motor is actually "off'" while generator is "on" which is a very interesting setup in itself in that the inertial-kinetic energy is what drives the disk generator. And I did produce a preliminary video attempting to demonstrate some of these effects and all three charging outputs here- www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCVljbXay1c

Of course the challenge with producing a video is: Watching batteries charge is VERY boring and difficult to demonstrate in a few minutes of video.... So this first video was produced with batteries that were almost charged in an attempt to show charging activities within the limited time of the video. And the fact is I have actually been waiting for Quanta Magnetics to come out with a newer system.

Even back when I was working on the Q2 and providing a lot those details in the Muller forum; the inventor was already working on many other devices including the Q3, T1X and T2.

So, after I received the toroidal generator conversion kit to build the Q3, I only built the toroidal section while leaving the conventional alternator of the Q2 intact. I did a couple tests then set this project aside as I then considered converting it to a T1, then a T2, then possibly using it to built a G1 so it sat on the shelf for an extended period of time while I did other things and waited to see what else the inventor might come up with...

Upon release of the G1; I then decided to go ahead and just complete the conversion of the Q2 over to a Q3 which I just completed a couple weeks ago after all this time.  At which point I had already ordered the G1 and now the Q3 is merely on the back burner, AGAIN, while I concentrate on this new G1 experimental kit.

I have no concern for the negative.
Experience has taught me that when one seeks the negative; one will ALWAYS be able to find it.  :o
Seek and ye shall find... so what's the point and where does it get me?
I prefer to merely seek the solutions and not make these conscious decisions to have a problem with some thing.

If you consciously decide to have a problem with some particular thing here then; how may I help you solve your chosen problem?
What is the remedy, you so desire, to solve the problem you chose to have?

I am a problem solver, not problem seeker, here merely to build and share this experience and knowledge with others here. And any positive input is certainly appreciated including constructive criticism. I seek solutions. Not problems.  ;D

And here is the first image of this project. (see below)

This is the complete kit including the magnets, lots of extra wire, and three ultra capacitor banks rated at 350 Farad.
At this point the design has already been upgraded because in the inventor's previous videos; he is running on only two capacitor banks with a 'start up' lithium battery pack which has now been replaced with a third capacitor bank. And one of the assembly steps is to actually disassemble these capacitor banks to remove the discharge resistors which would be detrimental when attempting to achieve the highest possible efficiency and capacitor charging.

There does appear to be some unique characteristics of this experiment I have not seen before or not combined together in this manner.

Including these things I think I know about this G1 system-
-Three magnetic motor rotors to provide for magnetic flux on both sides of each coil pair which could be described as a "Tri Pole" motor. A feature I have never seen before in this type of system.
-A substantial inertial mass, stainless steel, flywheel storing kinetic energy. Another feature I have not seen in this type of pulse motor system.
-High efficiency, three phase, alternator. Another feature I have never tried installing on any of my past pulse motor projects.
-Flywheel and alternator is "open synchronized". There is no direct connection between the motor and the flywheel-alternator section. Which, yet again, I have never seen this before in any such system which may produce the effect of: Sudden heavy surge, or "spike", loads have very little effect on driver motor rpm.
-Alternator small enough to be mounted INSIDE the diameter of the flywheel resulting in mechanical leverage advantages for inertial-kinetic energy to alternator. And, I guess I'll say it again, haven't seen this in any pulse motor design before.
-Resonate system resonating in harmony with the Schumann resonance of our mother earth. Don't think I have any experience with this either although it may be possible to tune the Q3 to a resonate frequency.

So, yes, I'm really looking forward to analyzing this device and these new ideas I have never seen used together in this manner.

And if you also have any hands on experience with ANY Quanta Magnetics products; you are certainly welcome to share your experiences here.  ;)

And, also, be advised this is merely a hobby for me at this point and I do this at my own leisure.
While I do intend to provide regular progress reports for this experiment; it may be weeks or even months between reports just depending my own priorities, moods, and attitudes. As well as other attitudes which may discourage me from sharing my stuff here such as spam and negativity.

Sometimes I am very driven and motivated to build stuff.
Most other times; I am very lazy and ignoring stuff I should be building...  8)

That is all for now.

Kindest regards;

Scorch.

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Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« on: October 18, 2014, 10:23:56 PM »

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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2014, 12:30:51 AM »
Scorch,
         good luck! You'd get a fair bit of juice out of  5,000 dollars worth of solar panels.
                 John.

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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2014, 02:01:30 AM »

Yes, indeed, that is until the clouds move in or the sun sets. . .
And, of course, there is no way I will ever fit $5,000.00 worth of solar panels on an RV, electric car, or electric motorcycle.   ;)

Also; solar panels do not have any cool gyroscopic moving parts, pretty blinking lights, or generate any interesting harmonic sounds to keep me entertained and attract people to my table at parties and conventions.  8)

Kindest regards;

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Scorch,
         good luck! You'd get a fair bit of juice out of  5,000 dollars worth of solar panels.
                 John.

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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2014, 02:26:50 AM »
Scorch:

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And some experience building a Quanta Magnetics Q2 which I recently converted to a Q3 and have performed a couple preliminary tests with results that look really interesting including a toroidal generator section that suffers very little Lenz effect under a dead short load.

It's supposed to suffer very little Lenz drag under a "dead short load" because a dead short is a no-load condition.  The same thing will apply to any other similar type of setup.  You do burn off power in the drive coils themselves but zero power is burnt off in the load, because zero ohms is not a load.

You have a lot to learn, good luck.

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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2014, 04:29:08 AM »
Hey MileHigh.  :)

Interesting.
Although I have observed a similar effect with an actual load doing actual work similar to this demonstration in which the load is not a dead short but is a conventional DC motor driving a pump-

http://youtu.be/Zu4pzvkSkzo?t=9m40s

I am in the position of personal, hands on, experiential knowledge that I was able to connect a 300ma. load (light bulb) to the output of the toroidal generator and the over-all RPM of my system changed very little, if any, and system current draw changed very little and certainly not anywhere near the 300ma load that I connected...

You may find this effect to be very interesting and can probably be accomplished DIY with a smaller toroidal generator in your own lab.  ;)
Although, if I recall correctly, the 6.5"  toroid on the Q3 is actually very reasonably priced and available from this company-
www.micrometals.com/
Look for a toroid part #T650-52 which was wound with 125' of 16AWG magnet wire on each side for the Q3.
The magnetic rotor is 4 pcs of 3"L x 1"W x .5" Thick N42 magnets and additional, smaller, magnets can be added on top of those for better performance.

And, of course, when driven by a large, 12", disk rotor of a pulse motor, this provides for pretty substantial mechanical advantage (leverage) between the 12" diameter of the disk and the much smaller 2.25" diameter of the toroidal rotor.
This mechanical advantage appears to be a pretty major advantage so that pulsed motor current draw only changes a few milliamperes even though generator load increased by over 300ma.
The tiny generator just isn't much of a load for the big motor which could obviously drive a much larger toroidal generator. Or a pair of toroidal generators like the Quanta Magnetics T2 device uses.

Kindest regards;

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Scorch:

It's supposed to suffer very little Lenz drag under a "dead short load" because a dead short is a no-load condition.  The same thing will apply to any other similar type of setup.  You do burn off power in the drive coils themselves but zero power is burnt off in the load, because zero ohms is not a load.

You have a lot to learn, good luck.

MileHigh
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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2014, 07:31:39 AM »
I put a flowmeter on my garden hose. I spray water into the back yard while watching the flowmeter. Someone comes along with a bucket and catches some of the water in the bucket. Does my flowmeter reading change when this happens? No, it doesn't !! EUREKA! I have discovered the reason that your RPM doesn't change and your input power doesn't go up when you connect a load.

Did you just not bother to watch my demonstration of _the very same thing_ using the MHOP , which might in a pinch have 20 dollars worth of components in it? I show the MHOP running, with input power measurements, lighting up its NE-2, self-charging one of its own batteries. Then I connect the little ring oscillator and show that there is _no_ change in RPM and that the input power goes _down_ after a small initial surge while the oscillator is connected. Did you miss that? This is the same phenomenon that gets people interested in the Quanta system, isn't it?

Good luck. Many people are envious of you, having so much money to spend on your project.

Here's a challenge for you. Buy two new, identical batteries of the type that is supposed to work the best with any Quanta or Bedini charging system. Say, SLAs of 12 volts nominal, 5 to 10 A-H capacity. Mark them so you don't mix them up. One will be only charged using a commercial automatic automotive battery charger, the other will only be charged using the Bedini or Quanta system.  Set up a couple of nice equal resistive loads, like a bank of car brake light bulbs. Monitor the terminal voltage of the batteries while you charge and discharge them. Discharge them using the load banks, down to the same terminal voltage. Then charge them up, to the same terminal voltage, using the two systems. Do this five times. Then do a comparative rundown test. That is, set up both batteries, which have been charged by the systems to the same terminal voltage, connect them to their load banks, and watch to see which one runs down first. This last part can be easily done with timelapse video or still photography. Report your results, and discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BK4rx01INY



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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2014, 09:09:22 AM »
Not sure if the analogy of a hose and bucket is very applicable.
My flow meter would be the ammeter monitoring the flow from the hose powering the motor which turns two generators in a stable state.
One is a disk style generator that, when loaded, causes an unstable state, increase in flow (amperes) to the motor, and a subsequent drop in RPM or even more flow (amperes) required to bring RPM back up into the previous stable state.

This is a typical Lenz effect observed in any conventional generator.
Apply a load and motor/generator slows down and demands more fuel to maintain RPM.

The second is a toroidal generator that, when loaded to 300ma., does not demand much more flow (amperes) from the hose.
Flow meter remains at nearly same readings and only small drop in RPM and system continues in stable state condition while flow-amp meter only shows a 10-15ma. increase in amps-flow from the hose.... while output hose is now putting out an additional flow out.  Not sure where to place the bucket. The flow out is powering the load so can't put the bucket there. . . The only place that makes any sense is that the bucket represents the reserve energy in the capacitor bank but this is irrelevant because we are already monitoring that flow from that hose which continues, at various rates, as long as there is a reserve of water-energy from a capacitor, solar panel, battery or mains power supply.

And this seems to become very tedious when attempting to apply such a simple analogy to a multifaceted design such as this.  :P
Oh, and almost forgot, in the case of the Q3; there is actually a third charging output which is the BEMF from the motor section.
This also has very little effect on the flow from the hose or motor RPM when connected to a load such as charging a battery bank.

Would it be acceptable if I merely do what I intend to do, concentrate on replicating the current experiments with these Quanta Magnetics test beds, and not spend a lot of time doing all these other things you suggest including reviewing videos of other projects not using these QM test beds? These other projects are interesting but I am working with an entirely different platform here.
Those other experiments, in other conditions, on other platforms, may not be very useful in consideration of attempting to merely replicate the experiments that were performed with this platform.

Kindest regards;

PS: The money spent is merely that thing called "discretionary funds" . Nothing to be 'envious' of.
Merely the kind of money people save to buy their toys, video games, musical instruments, guns, model aircraft and trains, golf clubs, hang gliders, boats, vacations and etcetera.

So I bought an experimental kit instead of a fur suit or professional organ, DJ equipment, or video camera like some of my friends might buy for this year's Halloween parties.
What can I say? Except that I do have some cool, weird, Sci-Fi appearing and operating equipment to bring to parties... *shrugs*
www.furaffinity.net/view/14791610/
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I put a flowmeter on my garden hose. I spray water into the back yard while watching the flowmeter. Someone comes along with a bucket and catches some of the water in the bucket. Does my flowmeter reading change when this happens? No, it doesn't !! EUREKA! I have discovered the reason that your RPM doesn't change and your input power doesn't go up when you connect a load.

Did you just not bother to watch my demonstration of _the very same thing_ using the MHOP , which might in a pinch have 20 dollars worth of components in it? I show the MHOP running, with input power measurements, lighting up its NE-2, self-charging one of its own batteries. Then I connect the little ring oscillator and show that there is _no_ change in RPM and that the input power goes _down_ after a small initial surge while the oscillator is connected. Did you miss that? This is the same phenomenon that gets people interested in the Quanta system, isn't it?

Good luck. Many people are envious of you, having so much money to spend on your project.

Here's a challenge for you. Buy two new, identical batteries of the type that is supposed to work the best with any Quanta or Bedini charging system. Say, SLAs of 12 volts nominal, 5 to 10 A-H capacity. Mark them so you don't mix them up. One will be only charged using a commercial automatic automotive battery charger, the other will only be charged using the Bedini or Quanta system.  Set up a couple of nice equal resistive loads, like a bank of car brake light bulbs. Monitor the terminal voltage of the batteries while you charge and discharge them. Discharge them using the load banks, down to the same terminal voltage. Then charge them up, to the same terminal voltage, using the two systems. Do this five times. Then do a comparative rundown test. That is, set up both batteries, which have been charged by the systems to the same terminal voltage, connect them to their load banks, and watch to see which one runs down first. This last part can be easily done with timelapse video or still photography. Report your results, and discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BK4rx01INY

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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2014, 03:31:51 PM »
Scorch:

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I am in the position of personal, hands on, experiential knowledge that I was able to connect a 300ma. load (light bulb) to the output of the toroidal generator and the over-all RPM of my system changed very little, if any, and system current draw changed very little and certainly not anywhere near the 300ma load that I connected...

You are going to have to do a lot better than that if you want to be serious.  You connected a load to your generator and the RPM changed, just like any other similar setup would do the same thing.  Without actual measurements and analysis your comments mean nothing.

I looked at the Quanta Magnetics clip link you provided and it's the same thing.  He is demonstrating nothing out of the ordinary and trying to pretend it is out of the ordinary.  I stated that he is clueless about electronics and about 30 seconds after your link starts he says that he is going to connect "the ultimate resistive load" to his generator and he connects a dead short.  We just had that discussion.  I told you that his clips are "painful" to watch and that's a typical example.

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You may find this effect to be very interesting and can probably be accomplished DIY with a smaller toroidal generator in your own lab.

There is no "effect" whatsoever.  You are leading yourself down a garden path and part of your problem is thinking that Mike Kantz knows what he is talking about when nothing could be further from the truth.

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And, of course, when driven by a large, 12", disk rotor of a pulse motor, this provides for pretty substantial mechanical advantage (leverage) between the 12" diameter of the disk and the much smaller 2.25" diameter of the toroidal rotor.

And of course NOT.  Mechanical advantage does not even apply in this case.  You use the same argument in an attempt to defend Mike Kantz' ridiculous comment alleging that his machine is a free energy machine and I will discuss that issue when I address those comments.

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This mechanical advantage appears to be a pretty major advantage so that pulsed motor current draw only changes a few milliamperes even though generator load increased by over 300ma.
The tiny generator just isn't much of a load for the big motor which could obviously drive a much larger toroidal generator. Or a pair of toroidal generators like the Quanta Magnetics T2 device uses.

I know that I just stated that I will address this issue elsewhere but you are digging yourself into a hole when you make statements like this.

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2014, 03:56:19 PM »
I am also going to address the issue that TK raised to complete the picture and relate them to your follow-up comments:

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The second is a toroidal generator that, when loaded to 300ma., does not demand much more flow (amperes) from the hose.
Flow meter remains at nearly same readings and only small drop in RPM and system continues in stable state condition while flow-amp meter only shows a 10-15ma. increase in amps-flow from the hose.... while output hose is now putting out an additional flow out.  Not sure where to place the bucket. The flow out is powering the load so can't put the bucket there. . . The only place that makes any sense is that the bucket represents the reserve energy in the capacitor bank but this is irrelevant because we are already monitoring that flow from that hose which continues, at various rates, as long as there is a reserve of water-energy from a capacitor, solar panel, battery or mains power supply.

The issue is accounting for where ALL of the energy is flowing in a system.  A typical statement might be, "I just put a load on my device and the current draw of the device went down so something special must be happening."

That is a a classic newbie error and you see it all the time.  The problem arises because people fail to account for all of the power flows in the system.  In the Quanta Magnetics devices there is a huge power flow from the power source into waste heat.

Supposing your device is connected to a battery and spinning under no load.  Then you connect your load and the power consumption drops.  If that a eureka moment or is it meaningless?  The answer is that it is meaningless:

No load case:

Power input:  10 watts
Power output:  0 watts
Waste heat generation:  10 watts
Efficiency:  0%

Case with load:

Power input:  8 watts
Power output:  1 watt
Waste heat generation:  7 watts.
Efficiency: 12.5%

As you can see, nothing special is going on.  When you start discussing these "input power drop under load" examples, you MUST measure and factor in the power that is being poured down the drain - the waste heat power.

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Oh, and almost forgot, in the case of the Q3; there is actually a third charging output which is the BEMF from the motor section.
This also has very little effect on the flow from the hose or motor RPM when connected to a load such as charging a battery bank.

If you use the BEMF from your pulse motor, by definition it is not supposed to affect your RPM.  This is the same for any pulse motor.

Finally, you should never just quote current flow without also quoting the voltage associated with that current flow.  I am not being picky here, it is absolutely necessary.

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2014, 08:16:36 PM »
Hello everybody.  :)

I just want to get this out of the way before I proceed with this new experiment.
I created this subject for the specific purposes of replicating the G1 experiments but I am not actually new to these Quanta Magnetics systems.
I've already built the Q2, which I subsequently converted to a Q3, and just want to provide a some images of that old project detailing some improvements I installed.

The original Q3 did not come with any measuring devices, as the G1 does, so I did install analog volt and amp meters on the control panel.
Nor did it have a power switch so I installed a toggle switch.
I also eliminated the extra outputs from the cap bank originally used for the Q2 sine wave peak switching and also installed an insulator over the exposed tops of the capacitors.
I also replaced the fixed resistors, that control pulse width for both the motor and generator, with a couple potentiometers.
Plus I did add a DC-DC converter in order to boost the lower voltage of the toroidal generator up to a more useful level for charging batteries and here are some the images from that old experiment.

At this point, and with that out of the way, I will begin assembly of the new G1 experimental platform and hope to accomplish at least one or two steps today.
Positive support is certainly appreciated as I proceed to fabricate this experiment in the spirit of this forum designed for the exploration of these systems.

Non constructive negativity, that is contrary to the spirit of this OU forum such as comments to the extent of: "this is impossible therefore don't even try.", shall be treated accordingly or completely ignored.
And any claim without verifiable proof of claim, beyond mere opinion or "he said; she said" hearsay, shall be considered as mere frivolous claims (trolling/spam).

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2014, 11:01:07 PM »
Scorch:

I am serious when I wish you good luck with your experiments.

In my previous posting I said this, "If you use the BEMF from your pulse motor, by definition it is not supposed to affect your RPM.  This is the same for any pulse motor."

You notice that I didn't tell you why.  You thought that no affect on the RPM when harvesting BEMF was noteworthy, and I told you it isn't.  So, it's up to you if you want to challenge yourself and try to figure out why this is the case.

Here is what would be a big mistake (this is a hypothetical):  A month from now you repeat the same thing when you do an experiment when you harvest the BEMF from your pulse motor.  You post saying, "Look, I am using the BEMF and the RPM doesn't change" in an attempt to make it look like the Quanta Magnetics motor is special in some way.  In other words you would be ignoring what I said.  If you did that you would just be cheating yourself, and cheating the people reading your thread.

The challenge for you is to figure out why.  Just like there will be other interesting challenges for you when you do other tests with your pulse motor/generator.  You want to avoid pseudo-tech cliches to explain what you are observing.

What always reigns supreme is power-in vs. power-out.

I found these links which are worth reading:

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Hello Mike I just finished watching your 25 minute video on my good friend's Sterling PESwiki website, I have read his website and communicated with Sterling almost daily for the ten years he has had his website. But Mike I have a question ??

I am a FCC licensed electronic technician / engineer and aircraft mechanic and I understood most of your explanation of your beautiful prototype, But I still do not know the very most important basic information and that is what is the required input wattage and what output wattage does that generate and as an example can if it is ten watts input and 100 watts output can ten of that 100 watts be used to power it and then do you have 90 watts of free energy ? Please advise

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I asked Mike Kantz about self-looping on his Quanta Magnetics Facebook page. He said: "You can view the low input as it is being drawn, yet output cannot be measured the same way due to the resonance effect." So, how does he say the output of the T2 should be measured? He said: "The real output of this machine is measured in amp-hours stored for use from T2 charged batteries." I suppose given enough months of continuous output from a T2, one could charge many hundreds of batteries (storing huge amounts of amp-hours). But this has nothing to do with comparing a T2's watts in vs. watts out. Further, if the battery is being charged by a T2, by definition electricity is moving through a wire, and is there any reason at all that the watts moving through this wire could not be measured? Why would "the resonance effect" prevent measuring the watts moving through a wire? When I asked ZeroFossilFuel about this on his forum, Zero said: " 'Can't measure the same way' = not measuring real power. That's why he doesn't have a self looper, and that is the only true measure of over-unity or energy from the vacuum."

Like I said before, based on my viewing of the Quanta Magnetics clips, he would not know how to do these measurements properly.  You also notice that he is talking nonsense by mentioning resonance.  But more importantly, he would not want to state the measurements anyways, because power-in vs. power-out data for pulse motors usually really sucks.  There is nothing special about pulse charging a battery or charging a battery with a generator output if the power-in to power-out efficiency is only about 30%-35%.  It's even more distasteful when you look at Bedini motors because most of the time people are using a battery to charge a battery.  So it's a huge net loss in energy.

So I have an ongoing challenge to you to make proper power measurements when you do your experiments.  Don't be shy and ask the people on this forum to help you.  Most of the time you will get excellent help.

It's all about posting the real numbers for your Quanta Magnetics setup.  I am sure that many people would be interested in that data.

MileHigh

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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2014, 12:20:05 AM »
Hey MileHigh.  :)

Real numbers.... this has always been a challenge going all the way back to the Bedini SSG.
Performance of which, apparently, can only be quantified by calculating Coefficient Of Performance before and after charging the battery.  ???
This because I can clearly see the batteries are charging much faster than the few milliamperes on the meter face would seem to indicate.

So... how useful is the meter?!?
It claims the batteries should NOT be charging that fast... :o

And possible chemical reactions sometimes described as "reverse ionic flow" in the electrolyte or possible resonate conditions in a battery effecting the chemical reaction....
In consideration of all possible factors effecting chemical reactions such as temperature and vibration; what good are COP calculations without ABSOLUTE, laboratory controlled, conditions, measurements, and calculations?!?

Rumor has it that Tesla didn't use an ammeter for some of his experiments.
So; I still seek measuring instruments that properly quantify the source field energy that some may call "radiant" energy.   ;)

And, as near as I can tell, many of my instruments, including my clock, FAIL in certain aspects such as the apparent evidence that time is non-linear and gravity is a wave and not a particle.
So... What IS a "real number"?  ???

In my reality and at near light speed; the 'real numbers' of instruments indicate an hour passed but the 'real numbers' back on earth say that years have passed....
So which numbers are "real"?  :P

I would prefer to discover, or build, a system which may demonstrate an interesting effect WITHOUT a battery or even a meter.  8)
IF a system actually does power my light 24/7 without a battery; do I need a measuring instrument, or "real numbers", to prove the light is on?  ;D

Kindest regards;

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Scorch:

So I have an ongoing challenge to you to make proper power measurements when you do your experiments.  Don't be shy and ask the people on this forum to help you.  Most of the time you will get excellent help.

It's all about posting the real numbers for your Quanta Magnetics setup.  I am sure that many people would be interested in that data.

MileHigh

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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2014, 11:47:18 PM »
Hello everybody.  :)

I managed to complete some fabrication today.

I began work with the pulse motor stators and did discover a couple minor issues in the process.
In fact I have already repaired the stators once, already, as it does appear that UPS managed to drop the kit somewhere along the way, at least once, and one coil on each stator had broken loose.
This was easily repaired with weldon #16 acrylic adhesive. When coils break loose; this results in a unique pattern, or "key", allowing the coil to simply be glued back into exactly the same place.

It does appear that the manufacture may wish to consider increasing the amount of glue during assembly so that glue actually spreads out between the bobbin and the stator for a stronger bond that might be better for the rigours of shipping.
It wouldn't be as pretty but, since this plate is covered by a very close fitting rotor, I wouldn't care anyway.  ;)

After removing the protective wrapper from the acrylic plates; I did discover that three of the coils were not actually lined up with the plates. :P
The plates have circles machined to accommodate the coils as well as a groove machined in each circle to accommodate the inside wire from the bobbin.
And whoever assembled these simply didn't do a very good job making sure the coils, and respective wires, were lined up with the grooves properly.

I don't think this is a performance or clearance issue but, sometimes, I am a little picky about such things...  ;)

So I simply used a hammer to knock out the three coils, machined in a 'side' groove to accommodate the improper alignment, then reinstalled the coils in a similar manner that I used with the first two that broke loose in shipping. So that solved the first minor issue.

I can understand why this might happen as it was assembled while protective acrylic wrap was still in place therefore no way to see this alignment during assembly.
It's a catch 22. Either leave wrap on to protect finish but possibly misalign coils. Or take wrap off for the assembly but possibly damage finish during assembly or shipping.   :P

The second issue I discovered is that some of the fasteners were sticking out from the back of the stator plates resulting in a small 'bump'.
And, because these stator plates have rotors on both the inside and the outside, this rear face should be as smooth as possible and no obstructions so that rotor may be mounted as close as possible to the stator.
This was easily remedied in a few seconds with an angle grinder to smooth down the bumps and solved this second minor issue forthwith.
And the manufacturer may wish to consider a little higher quality control to ensure no protrusions.
This, once again, might be better to do without the protective wrapper for closer inspection.

I did go a little outside the original design specification which calls for both stators to be connected together via two brass crimp connectors to be installed after stators assembled together in frame.
But I chose to actually solder these connections and provided separate pairs of leads for each stator.
This will be a more solid electrical connection and makes it much easier if experiment needs to be disassembled for whatever reason.  ;D

That is all for now.

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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2014, 06:47:23 AM »
Scorch:

I have two questions about your build.

Please see the attached picture.  I edited a frame from a clip.  Is that the basic architecture of the pulse motor section of what you are building?   (Left, center, and right rotors with embedded magnets on three separate rotating polycarbonate disks, and two sets of drive coils on two separate fixed polycarbonate slabs.)

For the pulse motor coils that you show pictures of, how "deep" does the wire go on each spool?  You can see that the spools are all red.  Does that mean the wire goes from an inner diameter of about 1/4" to the outer diameter of about 3"?

Thanks,

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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2014, 12:32:42 AM »
Hey MileHile.  :)

Yes; that is the basic architecture of it.
There are three rotors with three magnets per each coil pair.

The main rotor, between the coils, contains 6 pcs of 1.5" Dia x 0.75" Thick N52 magnets.
The two outside rotors, behind the coils, are 12 pcs of 1.5" Dia x 0.25" Thick N42 magnets.

Coil bobbin outside dimensions are 3" diameter by 1" thick and inner diameter is also 1" and gives me the impression of a VHS tape reel which may work well for a DIY project on a budget.
They are wound with pretty substantial, 18AWG, (0.0415") magnet wire wound all the way out to the edges. Do not know how many turns or length of wire this is.
Quanta Magnetics used to sell the empty bobbins separately but I do not see them on the new web site.

Kindest regards.

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PS: Quanta Magnets is aware of these minor issues with coils being dislodged in shipping, coil wires not lining up, and 'bumps'.
And the company has already updgraded the G1 design to provide for stator plates and coils to be assembled by the builder and new, custom, nylon fasteners to eliminate high spot 'bumps'.

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Scorch:

I have two questions about your build.

Please see the attached picture.  I edited a frame from a clip.  Is that the basic architecture of the pulse motor section of what you are building?   (Left, center, and right rotors with embedded magnets on three separate rotating polycarbonate disks, and two sets of drive coils on two separate fixed polycarbonate slabs.)

For the pulse motor coils that you show pictures of, how "deep" does the wire go on each spool?  You can see that the spools are all red.  Does that mean the wire goes from an inner diameter of about 1/4" to the outer diameter of about 3"?

Thanks,

MileHigh

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Re: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
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