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Offline minnie

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2014, 07:38:40 PM »



   Just a bit of fun with a pun!
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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2014, 08:52:54 PM »
Scorch:

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You speak as if from authority on these systems but I see no evidence or record that you have conducted any personal, hands on, experiments with any of these systems as I am doing, and I believe no such evidence or record exists.

I was the architect and did the paper napkin design for an op-amp-based pulse motor.  TinselKoala did the actual circuit design and physical design and did the building and testing.  You can just search on "MHOP pulse motor" and you will find his YouTube clips and it's discussed in a thread on this site also.  This pulse motor design will outperform any Bedini-style pulse motor and overall is a much more advanced and efficient design.  It may "push the boundaries" for Bedini-style pulse motors but from a true engineering perspective it's ordinary.  So it's ordinary or it's amazing bleeding-edge technology depending on your perspective.  I could just about analyze any pulse motor in my sleep.

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And, yes, there is an APPEARANCE of something promising. A POSSIBILITY.

I don't buy the tease with zero information.  If you have something concrete to say, then say it.  Teasing in the realm of free energy is often a cynical ploy to manipulate.

Appearance of what?  Possibility of what?

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In consideration I am in regular communications with the inventor and actually posses a G1 kit, would you believe I might know a thing, or two, about the system that was withheld or not very obvious in the video?

Not from what I see right now, but you could surprise me.  Plus you are teasing again.  It would be fantastic if you refrained from teasing altogether and just be straight.

Withheld what?  What's not obvious?

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Would you believe that any claim of a system with efficiency greater than 70% is a threat to national security of many countries?
Therefore any such claims are not offered lightly and most, with personal experiences in such things, are simply VERY careful about what they claim or demonstrate.

You are playing the MIB card for a simple pulse motor and that's ridiculous.  That's another ploy that is often used to manipulate people.  If you want credibility with me then you will refrain from doing that.  Like I said, I could practically analyze that thing in my sleep and there would be no surprises.  If you continue to play the MIB card for a simple pulse motor I would call it shill marketing.  Please focus on your experiments with the motor and your measurements and interpretations and conclusions.

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The battery pack he refers to is a small battery on the back of the machine working in conjunction with the two ultra capacitor banks.
The system voltage, that is rising, appears to include this 'start up' battery which is an internal component of the system and system voltage.

I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy so I will translate that for you:  The motor in the clip was powered by an external battery.

As far as the ultra capacitor banks go, they are never sources of energy themselves.  They just store energy and the source for that energy is typically the battery.  I would request that you always keep that in mind when you mention them.  Saying, "The pulse motor is now being powered by the capacitor bank" could be misinterpreted by people that are reading that are beginners to pulse motors.  Saying, "The pulse motor is now being powered up by the capacitor bank that was initially charged up by the battery" would be much better.

You will notice I asked you four direct questions where you were just hinting at something.  If you answer them with straightforward answers then great.  If you choose to bob and weave or simply ignore them then the people reading will take note of that.

MileHigh


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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2014, 01:35:22 AM »
In your sleep? Excellent! Please do so!!   :)

Because, at this point, we basically have zero information about the G1 beyond three videos and only a mere APPEARANCE of a possible interesting effect therefore this is ALL talk about the UNKNOWN. ;)

I'm really looking foreword to you actually performing an unbiased, neutral, analysis beyond a mysterious video or mere assumption about a device you already decided is to expensive to actually buy, build, and analyse.

Do not come to me for answers you already think you know.

I am the first to admit I know nothing about G1 at this point so do not expect any answers from me until I actually know more about it through my own hands on experience and testing.
Do you support this effort to learn more about it and discover the answers we seek beyond mere hearsay, assumptions and presumptions?

And, BTW, the proposed analysis is what I am actually doing, not while asleep, but fully conscious with eyes and mind wide open.  ;D
Care to provide any, positive, constructive support for these efforts that may take months or even years to perform a complete analysis?

Analyse - To examine in detail in order to discover meaning, essential features, etc. 2. to break down into components or essential features.
Assumption - A thing that is accepted as true, or as certain to happen, without proof such as a verifiable, detailed, documented analysis.

Here is what I THINK I know about G1-
-Three magnetic motor rotors to provide for magnetic flux on both sides of each coil pair which could be described as a "Tri Pole" motor. A feature I have never seen before in this type of system.
-A substantial inertial mass, stainless steel, flywheel storing kinetic energy. Another feature I have not seen in this type of pulse motor system.
-High efficiency, three phase, alternator. Another feature I have never tried installing on any of my past pulse motor projects.
-Flywheel and alternator is "open synchronized". There is no direct connection between the motor and the flywheel-alternator section. Which, yet again, I have never seen this before in any such system which may produce the effect of: Sudden heavy surge, or "spike", loads do not effect motor rpm.
-Alternator small enough to be mounted INSIDE the diameter of the flywheel resulting in mechanical leverage advantages for inertial-kinetic energy to alternator. And, I guess I'll say it again, haven't seen this either in any pulse motor.
-Resonate system resonating in harmony with the Schumann resonance of our mother earth. Please show me another pulse motor, already built, that does this.

So, yes, I'm really looking forward to analyzing this device and these new ideas I have never seen used together in this manner.

Kindest regards;

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PS: On a side note; it appears some of the developers of the QEG projects have finally discovered the Schumann resonance...
See:
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/qeg-project-updates-and-transformations/

Where the following statement may be discovered-
“After our latest testing we’ve discovered that conditioning the core requires having a resonant antenna tunable to a range of frequencies centered on 7 MHz, not 1.3 MHz as originally informed by our teacher (WITTS). There is no reference for this procedure so we are still diligently working on it as fast as we can.
I had to redesign the initial antenna system which will be installed on my property in about a week. We are currently rebuilding the antenna based on new data gathered from using the first one since 6th of August, and from experimentation. The goal is to increase the atmospheric energy flow to the point where we can meter it reliably, and determine an estimated time to completion based on those readings. We will release that information, along with more technical details, as soon as we know.”
-James Robitalle


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Scorch:

I could just about analyze any pulse motor in my sleep.

MileHigh
Is this arrogance?

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2014, 03:42:09 AM »
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In consideration I am in regular communications with the inventor and actually posses a G1 kit, would you believe I might know a thing, or two, about the system that was withheld or not very obvious in the video?

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I am the first to admit I know nothing about G1 at this point so do not expect any answers from me until I actually know more about it through my own hands on experience and testing.

(snip)

Is this arrogance?

Or is it just another case of someone who doesn't actually know what he doesn't know, and much of what he thinks he does know... is wrong? And I am not talking about MH here.


MHOP:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9

And one choice video from the list:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5I_BM4E00E&list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9&index=10



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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2014, 03:53:52 AM »
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On a side note; it appears some of the developers of the QEG projects have finally discovered the Schumann resonance...

ORLY? Please feel free to indicate just how and why 7 megaHertz corresponds to the Schumann resonance.

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Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum[1] beginning at 3 Hz and extend to 60 Hz,[2] and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83 (fundamental),[3] 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.
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The higher resonance modes are spaced at approximately 6.5 Hz intervals, a characteristic attributed to the atmosphere's spherical geometry. The peaks exhibit a spectral width of approximately 20% on account of the damping of the respective modes in the dissipative cavity. The 8th partial lies at approximately 60 Hz.
From the WIKI.

So what is the number of the harmonic IF ANY that corresponds to 7 MHz? What is its expected amplitude?  Why did Robitaille show a strong peak on his spectrum analyzer at 1.3 MHz (the frequency, within 20 kHz, of eleven standard broadcast AM stations in his vicinity), justify it with calculations, erect an antenna, tune to that frequency... only much later to decide, without similar justification, that 1.3 MHz wasn't right but 7 MHz was?




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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2014, 04:13:29 AM »
@MH: Now you've got me looking at the MHOP again! Remember this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xajlH6wkj_0

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2014, 04:42:19 AM »
Forgive my failure to be more specific and here is the correction of my communications errors as per nunc pro tunc-

Rescinded-
["In consideration I am in regular communications with the inventor and actually posses a G1 kit, would you believe I might know a thing, or two, about the system that was withheld or not very obvious in the video?"]

Clarified
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In consideration I am in regular communications with the inventor and actually posses a G1 kit, would you believe I might know a thing, or two, about the development of the system that was not very obvious in the video?

Rescinded-
["I am the first to admit I know nothing about G1 at this point so do not expect any answers from me until I actually know more about it through my own hands on experience and testing."]

Clarified
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I am the first to admit I know nothing about G1, that I have never seen (his) and haven't built yet (mine), at this point so do not expect any answers from me until I actually know more about it through my own hands on experience and testing.

Rescinded-
["Is this arrogance?"]

Clarified-
Is it arrogant to claim true knowledge regarding the unknown?
Such as the system I am about to build and intend to share here provided I do not find myself distracted by to much negativity here.

nunc pro tunc
As it was now it is.
Said and done.

Thank you for pointing out my failure(s).   :)

This is why I am here. To learn.  Why are you here?

I came here to share and learn from my brand new experience of building this brand new experiment.

What did you come here for?

Would you like me to share my stuff here including any knowledge I might gain from this experiment?

Kindest regards;

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Or is it just another case of someone who doesn't actually know what he doesn't know, and much of what he thinks he does know... is wrong? And I am not talking about MH here.


MHOP:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9

And one choice video from the list:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5I_BM4E00E&list=PLml9VdOeqKa8F1PebS_EX7AX2aA_ZZtb9&index=10

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2014, 05:16:15 AM »
Scorch:

I can see exactly where you are coming from.  So have fun playing with your pulse motor.  From your perspective you are "exploring the big unknown."  From my perspective I can clearly see that it's just another pulse motor, the behaviour of which is fully understood.

Why would I say that I can practically analyze any pulse motor in my sleep?  The answer is because when you look at a pulse motor on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of complexity and difficulty to understand and analyze, it's only a 1 out of 10.  So yes, present me with an electronics circuit with a 1 out of 10 difficulty level, and I can understand it with my eyes closed. Present me with an electronics circuit that's an 8 out of 10 in terms of complexity and difficulty, and I would have to work seriously on it.

So it's not arrogance, it's simply because it's a circuit that is so simple and straightforward.

This is a scale that is relative to someone that has education and training in electronics.  So I hope that you now understand the context.

When you talk "Schumann resonance" you are leading yourself down a garden path.  What precisely is the Schumann resonance?  How could the Schumann resonance possibly interact with my pulse motor?

It appears that you don't have the answer to either of the two aforementioned questions.  All that you are doing is blindly believing that there must be something going on there because you have read it many times in the realm of free energy and the forums.  The entire notion is complete and utter crap.  So if you are a serious and responsible researcher and you do your research and testing, then you should come back and post, "I did my research and now I understand that discussing the Schumann resonance in relation to my pulse motor is nonsense.  I retract all statements relating the Schumann resonance and my pulse motor."

So, you can see clearly that you are starting out on the wrong foot when it comes to this Schumann business.  It's just one of many myths that is pervasive on the free energy forums.  That's why there is a thread here called, "Magnet Myths and Misconceptions."  It's an attempt to break the vicious cycle.

Good luck testing your motor.  Be very cautious and don't buy into a lot of stuff just because you heard it on a free energy forum and you think it is true.  Do your own due diligence.

In a best case scenario after several months you would come back and say, "Yes, my pulse motor is a very simple device with a typical efficiency of about 30%-40% power-in to power-out.  In the final analysis I realize that a pulse motor does not really do anything of practical application, although it does have merit as a teaching tool to learn about some aspects of electronics."

That's the real deal on pulse motors and I realize that it's a long shot that you would really and truly get up the leaning curve and come to that realization.  I can already see the pattern.  It takes years to really learn about electronics.  Going back to the motor itself, that's one of the main reasons that it's crazy to spend upwards of $4000 on one, it doesn't actually do anything of practical value.

MileHigh
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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2014, 07:31:41 AM »
I believe he's talking about the Schumann resonance in the context of the QEG and the "7MHz" frequency, not in some relation to the Quanta design or other pulse motors.

Why am I here? This question is not new. Among other reasons, I see a lot of really creative and talented people wasting their time on things that have no hope whatsoever of working out as they believe. Gravity wheels ala Bessler and permanent magnet motors  are two such things. Bedini variants like the Quanta design are fun to play with but they will never attain any kind of real "OU" and in fact will ruin good batteries fairly quickly. In some cases they can rejuvenate sulfated batteries but there are even better ways to do that. So when I see people spending lots of money, lots of time, and lots of creative energy on something that is a known and proven dead end, I speak up about it. And I usually get insulted for it... but nobody has refuted me yet. Meanwhile I build and test various things that appeal to me along the way, and I think that it is at least arguable that I am producing effects that are as interesting, or more so, than the run of the mill Bedini motors, Slayer Exciters, and etc.  I think I have helped a few people understand their oscilloscopes a little better, I have uncovered a few false claimants and I have shown that some claimed effects are actually real, if misinterpreted by their claimants.  My feeling is that people who are trying to replace the old paradigm with a new one, need first to understand the old one. If you are claiming OU performance, like the resonating QEG Morocco team did, then I for one think that you should be able to make proper measurements, interpret and calculate with them properly, and your measurements should support your claims. SO when I see people making claims without support, like the "7MHz Schumann resonance" claim... I want to see support for it. If support isn't forthcoming then I know into which category to file the claim.


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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2014, 04:18:53 PM »
@MH: Now you've got me looking at the MHOP again! Remember this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xajlH6wkj_0
Schematic for the ring oscillator please TK,as i couldnt quite make out the exact conection from the birds nest.

Cheers

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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2014, 06:06:51 PM »
Schematic for the ring oscillator please TK,as i couldnt quite make out the exact conection from the birds nest.

Cheers

Hi Brad,

See this post, the last video,  MHOP#14 includes what you need.

http://www.overunity.com/14169/bedini-sg-notes/msg395115/topicseen/#msg395115 

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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2014, 08:38:53 PM »
Yes, they are all in the last part of that #14 video.

I couldn't find a copy of the 2-neon version but here's the 5 bulb version, designed with full wave bridge for connecting to a HV AC output. Just chop off the stages you don't need!

The 2-bulb version just used a single rectifier diode instead of the FWB because it was designed for the pulsed DC output of the MHOP. You can still use a FWB if you want to.

I think I used a 0.22 uF cap for the timing capacitor in the 2-bulb version. Smaller = faster oscillation.
The larger reservoir cap on the left can be any value, the larger the longer it will run (and the longer it will take to charge fully of course). Capacitor voltage ratings should be 200 V or greater.

I also have a low voltage version using LEDs and 2n7000 mini-mosfets but I can't find the schematic at the moment.


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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2014, 12:08:24 AM »
Hell, I ran my pulse motor from my earth battery about 5 years ago.  That was 0 input from me yet I was charging a 9 volt battery.  That, to me, is way more than will ever be seen from this $4,000+ kit.  I am not, nor did I then, claim overunity as the energy was coming from a known source (the earth) but, as I said, good luck getting results like that from that very expensive boat anchor made of plexi-glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY


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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2014, 01:29:34 AM »
How refreshing. An honest answer to an honest question! Thank you.  :)

Free will certainly is allowed.

In consideration I will never fully comprehend the realities and belief systems of another, and that we all learn through our own trial & error experiences and, in fact; many typically learn the MOST from their own failures, how can I possibly claim they are wasting their time? I do not know them. I do not walk in their shoes. I am not familiar with their realities.  ???

By what authority does one decide, for another man, they are "wasting their time or money"?

Is it acceptable to allow them and their own, unique, creative processes to be free and unimpaired by my own desire to control others merely because I happen to believe, that particular day, "what is best' for another man?

Is it acceptable for us to be self determined and make our own educated (or uneducated) decision to 'waste' our money on something like a few millilitres of ink for $18.00, or a $20,000.00 sail boat we rarely sail, or a $5,000.00 fur suit we only wear a couple times per year at conventions just to have our group picture taken?
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Or, for that matter, an experimental electronics kit from Radio Shack, Amazon, or Quanta Magnetics?  ;)

Is it acceptable for me to be truly free and conduct my own experiments to gain such experiential knowledge on my own and without interference merely because somebody else believes I am "doing it wrong"?

Has anybody asked for help? And, if so, what are the details including the cause and nature of that request?  Have any scientific discoveries ever been revealed merely by following in the footsteps of others who had believed they arrived at a "dead end"?

Are my efforts to gain experiential knowledge, by building something new, a "dead end"?  Or will I gain actual knowledge by building an experimental kit sold for the express purpose of educational experimentation and gaining knowledge about these alternative energy systems?

I am walking this path and nobody else has the authority to dictate my path.
Unless, of course, they claim to be a slave owner and master over another man...
At which point; I might request proof of his claim he owns another man.  ???

I see no evidence that knowledge gained by way of building such experimental kits, trial & error experiments, or merely hands on experience of building such things, is a "Waste of my time" or a "dead end" and I believe no such evidence exists.

I see no evidence that I have requested the assistance of another to "save me" from "wasting my money" or following "dead end" paths, and I believe no such evidence exists.

So you have consciously decided to have a problem with the way somebody else spends their money or conducts his experiments or shares his stuff here. Your free will decision to have this problem is certainly allowed. So... what remedy do you so desire to solve this problem you decided to have? What would you like that somebody else to do for you?

And what shall be the term, condition(s), and consideration for him to perform his services, at your request specifically for you, to help you solve your chosen problem that you brought to him?

I do this for a living.
I am a well compensated problem solver performing these services for assisting others to solve the problems they decided to have or deal with in their own realities.   8)

Kindest regards;

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Why am I here? This question is not new. Among other reasons, I see a lot of really creative and talented people wasting their time on things that have no hope whatsoever of working out as they believe. . . . So when I see people spending lots of money, lots of time, and lots of creative energy on something that is a known and proven dead end, I speak up about it.. . . 


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« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2014, 01:48:35 AM »
Am I expecting any particular results from a totally experimental test bed with a multitude of possible configurations and experiments?  ???

Has there been any claim of over-unity?
And if a system appears to be self running, possibly collecting energy from the source field, is this actual "over unity' or merely a conversion process to convert one form of energy into another form?

Just food for thought anyway.  :)

Other than a few videos that appear to be interesting to me; I see no evidence there has been any expressed claim of "over-unity" from Quanta Magnetics or that "over-unity" can even be properly defined in this context of mere DIY experiments, energy conversions, daily discoveries, and growing scientific evidence of a 'source field', and I believe no such evidence exists.

Is it possible that a technology advanced enough that we fail to understand it; may appear to us as "magic"?
Would it be ok if I were to decide to believe in certain types of "magic" and allow such magic to exist in my own reality?

Is it possible I may enjoy building, learning from, and possessing many 'boat anchors"?

Kindest regards;

}:>

Hell, I ran my pulse motor from my earth battery about 5 years ago.  That was 0 input from me yet I was charging a 9 volt battery.  That, to me, is way more than will ever be seen from this $4,000+ kit.  I am not, nor did I then, claim overunity as the energy was coming from a known source (the earth) but, as I said, good luck getting results like that from that very expensive boat anchor made of plexi-glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY


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