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Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« on: October 15, 2014, 08:06:58 PM »
Hello everybody.  :)

It has come to my attention there does not appear to be any thread here dedicated to the Quanta Magnetics Muller/Wood style experimental motor generator kits that are offered here-
http://quantamagnetics.com/

And Demonstrated here-
www.youtube.com/user/PMMG4HYBRID

I have already built the Q2 and provided a lot of those build details on another forum here.
See-
www.overunity.com/3842/muller-dynamo/

I have also recently completed the conversion to convert the Q2 over to a Q3 after it sat on the back burner for a long time in my hobby shop.
See attached image and this video-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCVljbXay1c

But, wait, I am already working on the new G1!
SO; I figured this forum definitely needs a topic dedicated to this particular technology including the new G1 which is advertised as "three brand new inventions in one device".

That is all for now, have fun experimenting, and please share your quanta magnetics projects here so we may all learn from this and each other's experiences, testing, and results.

Kindest regards;

Scorch G. Dragon.

}:>

PS: The attached image is the Q3 system running under its own power from its capacitor bank while charging three different batteries from its three different outputs.
Including a BEMF output from the pulsed motor section, a "Charge Accelerator", Pulsed DC, output from the disk generator, and a lower voltage output from the toroidal generator which is then stepped up through a DC-DC converter.
At which point the system is running on its internal power (at about 900ma.) to charge one 24 volt, 34 amp hour, battery, another 24 volt, 18 amp hour battery, plus a third 12 volt, 18 amp hour, battery...

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Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« on: October 15, 2014, 08:06:58 PM »

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2014, 09:09:28 PM »
Scorch:

I would advise everyone in the strongest possible terms to avoid Quanta Magnetics devices like the plague.

The price for a Q2 is three thousand dollars and you still have to buy about $500 worth of supercapactitors and who knows how much for magnets to complete the device.  Let's say the total cost is somewhere between $3750 and $4000 USD.

And what do you get for all that money?  A pulse motor and a simple generator, stuff that an experimenter around here could make and build for themselves in a few days for less than $100.

Here is a censored description for the term "highway robbery" from the online Urban Dictionary:

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When the price for something is sky high, because the manufacturer knows you need it and have no choice but to pay for it. stems from gas stations on highways in the middle of nowhere who charge $10 for a 2 year old microwave burrito because they know the next gas station is 150 miles down the road.

Person 1-"Man, I paid $50 for 3 gallons of gas, a pack of gum, and a soda last night at this gas station in Egypt"

Person 2- "Talk about highway robbery!"

People do not need to buy a Quanta Magnetics device and they have many other choices that will give them the same results.  Their first choice is usually to build a device themselves.  Also, "three brand new inventions in one device" is not true.  All of his devices do nothing special and people around here have seen simple pulse motors and simple generators charging capacitors and batteries for years.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2014, 09:55:42 PM »
Notice the huge bank of capacitors in the photo, and how the reporter conveniently leaves out the process and energy cost of charging the capacitors so that the device will run "on its own internal power".

It's nicely put together though. It must be very frustrating to build something like that, only to find that it doesn't actually do what is claimed for it.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2014, 01:09:00 AM »
To each, his own, I guess.
Totally depends on individual perspective. :)
And inkjet printer ink is typically over $5,000.00 per gallon. . .   :o

I come from a reality where many people spend thousands of dollars for items of far less scientific experimental value such as video games, expensive toys, or even a furry mascot costume they may only wear a few times per year at conventions.

And, in a more realistic comparison, I believe Quanta Magnetics pricing to be fair especially when compared to something similar such as this offer of everything you need to build "stage one" EXCEPT the actual core...
http://teslaenergysolutionsllc.com/product/quantum-energy-generator/

At $4,200.00 for the kit plus another $3,095.00 for the core and grand total of $7,295.00 (plus S&H) for both items to build ONLY stage one.... it would appear the quanta magnetics products are actually quite a bargain.  :)

And, BTW, only we have the authority to set the price for our own time, or our own property-product, and any claim of "robbery" without proof of claim is merely a frivolous claim which may result in a counter claim....

Yes, indeed, I have been down that road of building many of these things from raw materials but the fact is I am very lazy and that can be very frustrating for a bench jockey, such as myself, who may not know very much about such things as quantum physics, magnetic geometry, or resonate systems.

So I find it very refreshing (not frustrating) when somebody actually offers a complete, custom designed, kit as a basic test bed that I can start experimenting with immediately after I assemble it.

As far as actual results; only I can acquire such knowledge for myself through experiential, hands on, gaining of such knowledge.
I simply cannot rely on others who tell me it's a "waste of money" or "it's never going to work so don't even try"...

If I did; I would not have even built my first SSG by converting a fan motor many years ago.  8)

And if even if somebody appears to show promising results, such as this very intriguing *test of the G1, I cannot rely on THAT either!
*See:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKw7c0UjYkM

I can only maintain my faith, trust, and forgiveness of others and move forward because without faith, trust, and forgiveness; there can be no advancement or even any commerce for that matter.

Kindest regards;

}:>

PS: Please provide the proof of your claim that others have already built the same thing (G1) including SSR based controls, incorporation of DC-DC converter, gyroscopic alternator that is NOT connected to the motor, system resonating at Schumann frequency, internal system voltage rising while under a load, and etcetera.

Please provide proof of your claim such as verifiable videos, documents, photographs and etcetera.

Kindest regards;

}:>


Scorch:

I would advise everyone in the strongest possible terms to avoid Quanta Magnetics devices like the plague.

The price for a Q2 is three thousand dollars and you still have to buy about $500 worth of supercapactitors and who knows how much for magnets to complete the device.  Let's say the total cost is somewhere between $3750 and $4000 USD.

And what do you get for all that money?  A pulse motor and a simple generator, stuff that an experimenter around here could make and build for themselves in a few days for less than $100.

Here is a censored description for the term "highway robbery" from the online Urban Dictionary:

People do not need to buy a Quanta Magnetics device and they have many other choices that will give them the same results.  Their first choice is usually to build a device themselves.  Also, "three brand new inventions in one device" is not true.  All of his devices do nothing special and people around here have seen simple pulse motors and simple generators charging capacitors and batteries for years.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2014, 01:42:56 AM »
..."doesn't actually do what is claimed" ?

To the best of my knowledge; there appears to be no specific claim these experimental kits can do any particular thing beyond what is demonstrated in the videos such as very little lenz effect, or drop in RPM, when the torodial generator is under a dead short load.

And, in my reality regarding "frustration", I have not been very frustrated about any particular aspect of these experiments other than the occasional part that, in the early 'prototype' stages, wasn't machined quite right that I had to repair or modify.
This is pretty much the extent of my frustration which, when you think about it, is merely just a fact of life or refreshing challenge and learning experience of this life to meet and conquer such challenges.  ;D

And, yes, I (a reporter/video producer) may not have been very clear when I *talked about using external sources to replenish the charge accelerator capacitors such as using readily available free sources like a solar panel, earth battery, wind or hydro system in a creek.

*Hear my dialog here: http://youtu.be/CCVljbXay1c?t=7m20s

So here I am; actually doing this stuff while maintaining the positive "can do", attitude about the whole thing seeking positive solutions not negative problems or claims.

The more people keep telling me "it cannot be done", or "not worth the time and money", the more I am inclined to actually spend the money and conduct the experiments.   8)
And when I am done with an old experiment; I will likely just sell the test bed to somebody else who might be able to benefit and learn from it.

Kindest regards;

}:>


Notice the huge bank of capacitors in the photo, and how the reporter conveniently leaves out the process and energy cost of charging the capacitors so that the device will run "on its own internal power".

It's nicely put together though. It must be very frustrating to build something like that, only to find that it doesn't actually do what is claimed for it.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2014, 01:42:56 AM »
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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2014, 05:16:01 AM »
Scorch:

If you paid full price for that thing, you played with it for a few months, and now you are looking at yourself in the mirror and saying, "Now what?" I am really sorry that happened to you.  I can sympathize with your desire to recoup some of your money, but it's still not right to go into a spin zone and pump it up so that you can dump it on someone else at a very high price.

Also from your YouTube clip, quoting you:

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I don't know what the actual efficiency is which may require substantial testing in a totally controlled, laboratory, environment. Therefore am not qualified to make any specific claims of performance for what is, in reality, a totally experimental device with unknown potential. Such as replacing the reed switch timing system with a solid state sensor and controller for operating at a substantially higher RPM. Or installing a coil shorting system to produce substantially higher voltages from the toroidal generator which may be in access of 500 volts. (see:  600% AMPLIFIED VOLTAGE from TPA ) The fact is; I am already moving beyond this older Q3 design in favor of other, more advanced, designs and I actually intend to set this device aside at this point and, possibly, offer it for sale.

I give you a lot of credit for being honest about wanting to sell it.  The real issue here is Quanta Magnetics, not you.

You are a nice guy with a beginner's level in electronics.  I am assuming that you bought it naively thinking that it would do some amazing stuff.  I have some news for you, the Quanta Magnetics guy is a beginner also, and he barely knows what he is doing when it comes to electronics.  He is a guy with great build skills that can make very pretty motors but he barely has a clue.  It's actually "painful" to watch his clips because if you have the knowledge and experience under your belt, you can clearly see that he knows next to nothing about electronics and he actually says next to nothing in his clips.  He does not really know what he is doing.  That may be a surprise to you but it's true.

I my opinion he is just out to sell kits and make huge profits.  He made a few jigs for cutting up Lucite into pretty pieces and he has a CNC milling machine and he is looking for profit.  Bedini is very much in the same mold but Quanta Magnetics takes it to a whole new level.

His devices do nothing but take source battery energy or source capacitor energy and transfer it somewhere else, like another battery or a capacitor bank or a load.  When they do that, the fancy Quanta Magnetics motor (any version) is probably somewhere between 30% and 50% efficient.  So that means the motor is losing between 50% and 70% of the source energy and turning it into waste heat.  You will never see him attempt to make any serious measurements on his motors because he most likely doesn't want to and he also doesn't know how to.

So indeed, you are much better off going to Radio Shack and buying a roll of speaker wire to use as a coil.  Then get a 555 timer circuit, and a power transistor or a power MOSFET, and a set of batteries.   A setup like that when properly tuned will easily outperform any Quanta Magnetics motor and could probably be built for under fifty bucks.  It would also be pointless outside of desulfating an older battery.  There is no point in discharging a good battery in order to pulse charge a good discharged battery.  You lose energy like that.  If you want to learn something there are other ways to get there.

I don't mean to be harsh, but all of your citing of battery charging and voltages and RPMs and stuff like that is an emulation of what the Quanta Magnetics guy did.  It all might sound impressive to an uninformed person, but it's just unsubstantial window dressing that doesn't really have any true meaning in terms of electronics and what the device is supposed to be doing.  So there is no point in even rebutting the technical stuff, it would take way too long.

Sorry!  But if you are done with that hunk of Lucite, perhaps try eBay or something.  The Quanta Magnetics guy is a "pro" and in my book if you are a pro, then you are subjected to a "real" evaluation.  For what it's worth, the QEG is in the same boat and the technical lead for the QEG, James Robitaille, has just as much egg on his face or more, than the Quanta Magnetics guy.  He has been hyped as "the next Tesla" or "inspired and taking the torch from Tesla" but in reality he can barely punch his way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2014, 09:28:51 AM »
Wow. Lots more negative claims and general negativity about an honest offer for an honest compensation or another honest attempt to explore the nature of these many things and unknown paths of these realities as we play these roles upon this world stage...   8)

Would you believe the above image represents my FIRST rudimentary test therefore I know virtually NOTHING regarding the potential of this device and most or all of your claims including your direct statement about my own POSSIBLE FUTURE decision to sell or not sell a device after I only, just now, conducted the FIRST test lasting less than a couple hours one afternoon... To the point it looks good enough to actually produce the FIRST video... detailing the first experiment after RECENTLY completing the Q2 to Q3 conversion... then conducting the first test of the first configuration utilizing my first 3 volt DC-DC converter which is NOT part of the original offer or experiment... And, possibly, a first in itself because nobody else tried using the low voltage toroid in this manor with this specific converter... therefore is an original issue creation of this first for this first by yours truly; the honest and respectful one who authored the first entry to this topic.   :)

At which point I did begin my own FIRST topic and thread here which was NOT created merely to sell a previous experimental test bed... which is, now, waiting for me to build something better and more interesting that I would love to share here... provided I am not to distracted by a lot of negativity. . .
Is this how you welcome new explorers walking their own path of discovery on this forum?  :P

Why have you decided to have a problem with this path I walk?
How may I assist you to solve these problems you chose to have with my path?

Do you honestly believe I would make this investment then immediately walk away from it? ... before I have tried the system in a real world application... or working in conjunction with a similar, gyroscopic, device or many other factors to consider before actually placing it on the auction block or NOT.

WHO and WHAT are you? who appears to be damaging me and the value of what I just created, and built, by way of your language and mere negative OPINIONS of the UNKNOWN sir.
Such as the actual cost of research, development, prototyping, marketing, materials, limited run production, other overhead costs, follow-up and etcetera then finally appears as a kit looking something like the attached image below.

Have you done anything to earn my respect? Or are your actions to damage me?, my efforts, my creation, my asset and its resale value and possibly even this forum and our future.  ???

Which role are you playing and by what authority do you allege such serious, injurious, claims?
Do you have anything positive to offer towards these lofty goals for the good of all?

I conditionally accept your claim(s) upon proof of your claim(s).


Should you fail to prove your claim(s) then I accept your implied consent, there is no claim, therefore your claims are frivolous (spam) that only serves to distract, damage, and injure including commercial injuries to my assets and resale values as well as those of Quanta Magnetics.
Will you put your money where your mouth is by way of certifying your claims, authored by your hand and sealed in blood, under severe penalty of perjury?

Go ahead, mister, prove it.
Prove you have authority to set the value and price of my assets and those of others.   ::)

I see no evidence, or record, you have first hand knowledge of the many realities of my life-path including current projects, or you have authority to author what somebody else may decide or charge for their asset-products, and I believe no such evidence or record exists.

How may I assist you to solve all these problems you have chosen to have with me, my realities, my beliefs, my assets, my images, my writings, my videos, my projects, my experiments, my forums or those of others?

If you don't like the offered price*; then go somewhere ELSE!   :)
*The offered price, I gladly accepted, for these many products from many sources on many an occasions for many a hobby project for many endless nights of learning, discovery, and enlightenment.

What is my remedy, you so desire, to solve all your chosen problems you decided to have here?

How may I help you solve these controversies to the satisfaction of all?
What can I DO for you? What do you want me to DO?

I'm always open for positive, source field energy, suggestions and SOLUTIONS, not problems...  :)
What should I do?

I think I should stop spending a lot of time responding to unproductive comments and get back to work building the G1... 
BTW: This is merely one of my hobbies.  Just like somebody else who spends thousands on a model railroad or RC aircraft.   *shrugs* :)

And, oh yeah, my beginners electronics started in the late sixties ... when I was seven... and my current trade is door to door major appliance services.
See: http://rodscontracts.com  But you should already know this... if you actually knew anything about me such as reading my past journals in the other topic I linked... versus the obvious assumptions and presumptions...

Love you all and please forgive my beliefs, truth seeking, discovery, and enlightenment.
Thank you and have fun experimenting and discovering whatever may be revealed to you.

Kindest regards;

}:>

Scorch:

If you paid full price for that thing, you played with it for a few months, and now you are looking at yourself in the mirror and saying, "Now what?" I am really sorry that happened to you.  I can sympathize with your desire to recoup some of your money, but it's still not right to go into a spin zone and pump it up so that you can dump it on someone else at a very high price.

Also from your YouTube clip, quoting you:

I give you a lot of credit for being honest about wanting to sell it.  The real issue here is Quanta Magnetics, not you.

You are a nice guy with a beginner's level in electronics.  I am assuming that you bought it naively thinking that it would do some amazing stuff.  I have some news for you, the Quanta Magnetics guy is a beginner also, and he barely knows what he is doing when it comes to electronics.  He is a guy with great build skills that can make very pretty motors but he barely has a clue.  It's actually "painful" to watch his clips because if you have the knowledge and experience under your belt, you can clearly see that he knows next to nothing about electronics and he actually says next to nothing in his clips.  He does not really know what he is doing.  That may be a surprise to you but it's true.

I my opinion he is just out to sell kits and make huge profits.  He made a few jigs for cutting up Lucite into pretty pieces and he has a CNC milling machine and he is looking for profit.  Bedini is very much in the same mold but Quanta Magnetics takes it to a whole new level.

His devices do nothing but take source battery energy or source capacitor energy and transfer it somewhere else, like another battery or a capacitor bank or a load.  When they do that, the fancy Quanta Magnetics motor (any version) is probably somewhere between 30% and 50% efficient.  So that means the motor is losing between 50% and 70% of the source energy and turning it into waste heat.  You will never see him attempt to make any serious measurements on his motors because he most likely doesn't want to and he also doesn't know how to.

So indeed, you are much better off going to Radio Shack and buying a roll of speaker wire to use as a coil.  Then get a 555 timer circuit, and a power transistor or a power MOSFET, and a set of batteries.   A setup like that when properly tuned will easily outperform any Quanta Magnetics motor and could probably be built for under fifty bucks.  It would also be pointless outside of desulfating an older battery.  There is no point in discharging a good battery in order to pulse charge a good discharged battery.  You lose energy like that.  If you want to learn something there are other ways to get there.

I don't mean to be harsh, but all of your citing of battery charging and voltages and RPMs and stuff like that is an emulation of what the Quanta Magnetics guy did.  It all might sound impressive to an uninformed person, but it's just unsubstantial window dressing that doesn't really have any true meaning in terms of electronics and what the device is supposed to be doing.  So there is no point in even rebutting the technical stuff, it would take way too long.

Sorry!  But if you are done with that hunk of Lucite, perhaps try eBay or something.  The Quanta Magnetics guy is a "pro" and in my book if you are a pro, then you are subjected to a "real" evaluation.  For what it's worth, the QEG is in the same boat and the technical lead for the QEG, James Robitaille, has just as much egg on his face or more, than the Quanta Magnetics guy.  He has been hyped as "the next Tesla" or "inspired and taking the torch from Tesla" but in reality he can barely punch his way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics.

MileHigh

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2014, 06:10:46 PM »
Scorch:

I am a firm believer in free enterprise, and companies or people are free to charge whatever they want for their products or services. Just as other people are free to express their opinions and review these products or services.  That's the way it should be.

So, somebody can make a movie for 100 million dollars and the critics pan it and ordinary people don't like it and it's a bomb at the box office and it only makes five million dollars.  Somebody else can make a great movie for ten million dollars and it's a great success and it makes 300 million at the box office.

So all of your prose about this issue is moot.  Quanta Magnetics charges $3000 for an unassembled pulse motor/generator that will probably end up costing the end user about $4000 plus their labour.  Nobody is stopping the sellers and the buyers.  But,. I will state that it's ridiculously over-priced for what you get and people can agree or disagree or listen to or ignore what I have to say.

With respect to what the device does, there is absolutely nothing for me to prove.  It is a pulse motor with generator coils and a big supercapacitor bank.  Big deal.  It will do what any pulse motor/generator will do.  Do you think it will do something amazing and extraordinary?  If you do the burden of proof is on you to prove it.

You make it all sound very noble with terms like "truth seeking, discovery, and enlightenment."  That's all fine and dandy but it's still just a way to learn basic electronics concepts and I encourage that.  People can learn by whatever means they want.  My advice would be to go out and buy a book or two about electronics, search the web for course material including YouTube of course, and build something for yourself if you want to play with pulse motors and generators.  People should take their inspiration from a great guy like Lidmotor on YouTube.  He made his first pulse motor by using the lid from a jar of peanut butter, hence his YouTube name.

One thing for sure, for $4000 you could have a scope, signal generator, electronics components, books, breadboards, and a ton of other parts so that you could make multiple pulse motors and generators and experiment and learn until you are blue in the face.

When you talk about the Schumann resonance and stuff like that and relate it to pulse motor/generators, you are talking nonsense.  I notice that Mr. Quanta Magnetos drops a lot of buzz words like that in his YouTube marketing videos and that kind of stuff is wrong.  Probably the classic example of this relates to those annual Bedini technology conferences.  You can attend the conference and talk Bedini motors for three days but they will not actually tell you how they work.  People would be much better off learning the basics about how things actually work and that can be done for free if you want to.

So have fun with your Quanta Magnetics motor but the reality is that it's over priced for what you get and any hints or suggestions from Quanta Magnetics or from you that the device is somehow extraordinary are not true.  Even the business of using the term "self powering" when it is running off of the huge supercapacitor bank is disingenuous and misleading.  Anybody saying or suggesting that it's remarkable that the device can produce high voltages is disingenuous and misleading.  The Quanta Magnetics videos are filled with that kind of crap so buyer beware.

If you want to establish credibility when you experiment with the device, always quote your power in and power out or energy in or energy out measurements.  State your calculated efficiency when you do an experiment.  Explain where the losses are coming from.  That's something that Quanta Magnetics never ever does.  Don't rewire the setup while it is running and say, "Wow, now the cap bank is charging and we are still lighting the LEDs" without mentioning that this is happening because it is being powered by a lead-acid battery outputting XXX watts.  Don't ignore the reality of what is actually happening to make things sound good like Mr. Quanta Magnetics does.

Have fun with your setup but please be real.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2014, 07:54:32 PM »
Thank you for your express, written, consent that you have absolutely nothing to prove.  :)

I accept the absence of any proof of your claim(s) including your claim the "G1 load test" was conducted by way of a hidden connection to an external battery as well as your unverifiable allegations of fraud and price gouging against quanta magnetics.

These are extremely serious allegations!
Are you (one with "nothing to prove") prepared to put your money where your mouth is by way of proof of your claim(s) authored and certified under penalty of perjury?
Apparently you are NOT!   :D

If you are not interested in these experiments then . . . WHY are you here silly one?!? ::)

The mere fact you are here bringing such strong opinions and attempts to discredit these experiments, before they are conducted and still on page ONE of this forum, only appears to serve as evidence there is something more to this story and these experiments.
Otherwise; who would bother to make such strong attempts to influence our free will decisions to conduct these experiments by way of such damaging, commercially injurious, UN-verifiable claims for which you may be held liable? It does appear there may be an unknown motive...

Yes indeed; I MIGHT, someday, decide to sell an older experimental test bed some time in the future.
But not while a troll is standing next to me and yelling "highway robbery" and causing these obvious commercial injuries and damages to the value of these assets in blatant violation of these laws and policies including those of this web site.

You appear to be producing a lot of hot air.
But don't mind me; I am merely walking this path of discovery and enlightenment while also producing these original issue assets for the good of all...  8)

Please stop damaging our assets... :P

What, if anything, positive do you have to offer beyond your mere opinions, frivolous claims, and obvious arrogance regarding your apparent ignorance of material facts and these Laws?  ???

Does ignorance of these laws, or the true value of an asset, excuse anyone?

What care, I, the mere opinion that somebody else MIGHT be able to do it cheaper?
I do not. They obviously know the true value of their stuff...  ;)

Kindest regards and please forgive my acceptance of your position(s) and express consent.

}:>

I will state that it's ridiculously over-priced for what you get and people can agree or disagree or listen to or ignore what I have to say.

With respect to what the device does, there is absolutely nothing for me to prove.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2014, 08:41:40 PM »
Scorch:

Have fun with your device but why not drop the pretentious pseudo legalese and the stuff about "damaging your assets?"  You have a very expensive shiny pulse motor and there are other ways to do the same thing at a fraction of the cost.  It's the simple truth.

Nor am I discrediting the experiments, they will all be perfectly normal and people can learn from them.  But hinting or suggesting that "something special" is going on by you or Quanta Magnetics is wrong.  Many people around here are very wary of that and they have been burned many times in the past.  That can be a small-scale burn like the people that ordered their own custom PCBs and parts and did Akula replications expecting to achieve over unity because of Akula's fake lying YouTube clips or a large-scale burn like the people that have given more than $120,000 USD to the Fix the World organization plus all of the replication groups that have probably spent between $5000 and $7500 for their replications.  What did they get in return for all of that?  The answer is nothing.

So go ahead and do your thing.  Just keep in mind that you simply have an ordinary pulse motor and an ordinary generator.  If you want to spend $500 on a bank of supercapacacitors, go ahead.  Honestly, though, the average experimenter would be wiser to only spend $50 on supercapacitors.

And I will remind you that if you make any claims that are extraordinary you will have to prove them.  I am not making any claims, I am just stating that your setup will act in a normal and expected fashion.  There is absolutely nothing for me to prove.

The purpose of this discussion was to put Quanta Magnetics and their expensive products in context and state that there are other ways of doing the same thing much more effectively and at far less cost.  For understanding the electronics behind what is going on, there are many sources of information to tap into but the clips from Quanta Magnetics offer almost nothing in that department.

So the points have been made and good luck with your thread.  If people choose to try some of your experiments with their own builds then that's great.  But certainly there is no need to buy one of these things to replicate what you are doing.  Some people may indeed choose to buy a device from Quanta Magnetics, or to buy your device off of you when you are finished with it.  If they read this discussion then at least they will be better informed.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2014, 09:35:02 PM »



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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2014, 09:38:02 PM »
Scorch:

About the clip, "G1 Load Test 2":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKw7c0UjYkM

He says, "Demonstration:  A G1-Gyro charge output will continue while operating a floodlight, and also continue to charge for a duration in a total power OFF mode."

You state about this clip:

"appears to show promising results, such as this very intriguing *test of the G1"

"I accept the absence of any proof of your claim(s) including your claim the "G1 load test" was conducted by way of a hidden connection to an external battery"

WTF, the guy says that the device is connected to an external battery pack at 1:36 in the clip!

As far as the "load test" goes, that clip is typical of the Quanta Magnetics clips.  He is powering his pulse motor/generator and lighting up a bunch of LEDs with the pulse motor back-spikes or by the rectified generator output or by both.  He makes no measurements of any consequence and arrives at no real conclusions.  It's nothing more than a demonstration of putting a lossy electro-mechanical pulse motor between the battery and the LED load.  The motor can run on after the battery is disconnected from the stored mechanical inertia and/or with the energy stored in the capacitors.  Big deal.

There is nothing promising or remarkable about that and for me there is nothing intriguing going on.  The clip is a dud that says next to nothing.

That's just a reality check for you from somebody that is reasonably experienced with electronics.  Please contemplate this.  When you do your experiments you need to always keep your eye on the "energy ball" and ask yourself "Does this setup I am trying out have any merit?"  That's how you learn.  Don't take it for granted that something is "intriguing," you have to investigate it, do the real thing.

At the end of the clip he says, "It takes a few minutes for it to wind down too while it continues to generate some energy."   Generate some energy my ass.  While it is winding down it is continuously decreasing in energy and producing waste heat energy.  This is supposed to be a quasi-serious load test, and to say "it continues to generate some energy" is totally disingenuous.  If the energy is transforming from one form to another form during the wind-down then he should be stating that.  If you make some test clips yourself, the kind of stuff that I am stating is the level of analysis you should be striving for.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2014, 10:09:37 PM »
Scorch:

Have fun with your device but why not drop the pretentious pseudo legalese and the stuff about "damaging your assets?"  You have a very expensive shiny pulse motor and there are other ways to do the same thing at a fraction of the cost.  It's the simple truth.

Nor am I discrediting the experiments, they will all be perfectly normal and people can learn from them.  But hinting or suggesting that "something special" is going on by you or Quanta Magnetics is wrong.  Many people around here are very wary of that and they have been burned many times in the past.  That can be a small-scale burn like the people that ordered their own custom PCBs and parts and did Akula replications expecting to achieve over unity because of Akula's fake lying YouTube clips or a large-scale burn like the people that have given more than $120,000 USD to the Fix the World organization plus all of the replication groups that have probably spent between $5000 and $7500 for their replications.  What did they get in return for all of that?  The answer is nothing.

So go ahead and do your thing.  Just keep in mind that you simply have an ordinary pulse motor and an ordinary generator.  If you want to spend $500 on a bank of supercapacacitors, go ahead.  Honestly, though, the average experimenter would be wiser to only spend $50 on supercapacitors.

And I will remind you that if you make any claims that are extraordinary you will have to prove them.  I am not making any claims, I am just stating that your setup will act in a normal and expected fashion.  There is absolutely nothing for me to prove.

The purpose of this discussion was to put Quanta Magnetics and their expensive products in context and state that there are other ways of doing the same thing much more effectively and at far less cost.  For understanding the electronics behind what is going on, there are many sources of information to tap into but the clips from Quanta Magnetics offer almost nothing in that department.

So the points have been made and good luck with your thread.  If people choose to try some of your experiments with their own builds then that's great.  But certainly there is no need to buy one of these things to replicate what you are doing.  Some people may indeed choose to buy a device from Quanta Magnetics, or to buy your device off of you when you are finished with it.  If they read this discussion then at least they will be better informed.

MileHigh

Milehigh,

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"That can be a small-scale burn like the people that ordered their own custom PCBs"
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People did not get "burned" on the PCB's at all, because I gave them to people for free, and so did the owner of the OUR forum.
And, I did make the PCB's by request form a OUR forum member. I also made a version-2 of the PCB's, also given away for free,
that allows people to experiment with various setups.

GL.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2014, 05:50:34 PM »
Yes, but,... do you have anything positive to offer after no less than 4 different messages full this negativity?
You speak as if from authority on these systems but I see no evidence or record that you have conducted any personal, hands on, experiments with any of these systems as I am doing, and I believe no such evidence or record exists.

And, yes, there is an APPEARANCE of something promising. A POSSIBILITY.  ;D

In consideration I am in regular communications with the inventor and actually posses a G1 kit, would you believe I might know a thing, or two, about the system that was withheld or not very obvious in the video?
Would you believe that any claim of a system with efficiency greater than 70% is a threat to national security of many countries?
Therefore any such claims are not offered lightly and most, with personal experiences in such things, are simply VERY careful about what they claim or demonstrate.

The battery pack he refers to is a small battery on the back of the machine working in conjunction with the two ultra capacitor banks.
The system voltage, that is rising, appears to include this 'start up' battery which is an internal component of the system and system voltage.

Please cease your assuming, presuming, and arguing based on the UNKNOWN and, if you insist on continuing your input, please bring something more constructive to this board.

Kindest regards;

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Scorch:

About the clip, "G1 Load Test 2":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKw7c0UjYkM

He says, "Demonstration:  A G1-Gyro charge output will continue while operating a floodlight, and also continue to charge for a duration in a total power OFF mode."

You state about this clip:

"appears to show promising results, such as this very intriguing *test of the G1"

"I accept the absence of any proof of your claim(s) including your claim the "G1 load test" was conducted by way of a hidden connection to an external battery"

WTF, the guy says that the device is connected to an external battery pack at 1:36 in the clip!

As far as the "load test" goes, that clip is typical of the Quanta Magnetics clips.  He is powering his pulse motor/generator and lighting up a bunch of LEDs with the pulse motor back-spikes or by the rectified generator output or by both.  He makes no measurements of any consequence and arrives at no real conclusions.  It's nothing more than a demonstration of putting a lossy electro-mechanical pulse motor between the battery and the LED load.  The motor can run on after the battery is disconnected from the stored mechanical inertia and/or with the energy stored in the capacitors.  Big deal.

There is nothing promising or remarkable about that and for me there is nothing intriguing going on.  The clip is a dud that says next to nothing.

That's just a reality check for you from somebody that is reasonably experienced with electronics.  Please contemplate this.  When you do your experiments you need to always keep your eye on the "energy ball" and ask yourself "Does this setup I am trying out have any merit?"  That's how you learn.  Don't take it for granted that something is "intriguing," you have to investigate it, do the real thing.

At the end of the clip he says, "It takes a few minutes for it to wind down too while it continues to generate some energy."   Generate some energy my ass.  While it is winding down it is continuously decreasing in energy and producing waste heat energy.  This is supposed to be a quasi-serious load test, and to say "it continues to generate some energy" is totally disingenuous.  If the energy is transforming from one form to another form during the wind-down then he should be stating that.  If you make some test clips yourself, the kind of stuff that I am stating is the level of analysis you should be striving for.

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2014, 05:55:34 PM »
Sounds great!
Please do this from a verifiable authority (such as verifiable evidence) not based on assumptions, presumptions, or hearsay.   :)

I see no evidence of fraud requiring people be 'protected', or that any people have asked for our protection, and I believe so such evidence exists.

Kindest regards;

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Re: Quanta Magnetics Experimental Kits
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