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Author Topic: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.  (Read 39716 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2014, 05:43:10 PM »
@Mark
I was looking to see if more pull  force would be placed on the nozzle that is bolted to the swinging plank,when a second jet of water hit's the fixed jet at right angles. Further messurements at all angles of force that could be placed on the fixed jet by the second jet,showed no force at all in any direction. This is good for us,and will soon become apparent why.
Tinman referring to your original drawing are you asking whether A would experience more Z axis force with the B stream hitting the A stream horizontally?

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
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Offline tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2014, 01:15:31 AM »
Tinman referring to your original drawing are you asking whether A would experience more Z axis force with the B stream hitting the A stream horizontally?
Forced meassured as red arrow depic's. Second messurement- picture the hinge and scales turned 90*(facing us),and i then messured if there was any side ways force seen on the nozzle.
Both test showed non at all,and my scales read down to .001kg's-1 gram.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2014, 01:28:17 AM »
I am not very surprised that any effect is below the measurement resolution.  For these conditions: The observation is no detected force transmitted.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2014, 03:50:22 AM »
I am not very surprised that any effect is below the measurement resolution.  For these conditions: The observation is no detected force transmitted.
And this is a good thing Mark,as it gives a means for a reactionless drive of far greater potential than that seen in my first design(which is still under debate).


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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #79 on: September 01, 2014, 01:34:38 PM »
Below is a test i carried out over the last few night. The setup is as depicted below.
With or without the high pressure jet running,the scales remain at around 1.1-1.3 kg's
It is interesting that we can recirculate the water,and still maintain that thrust in one direction.
The thrust produced would be half of what the scale is reading,as the scale is mounted mid point between the hinge and let 1.So one could expect a 550-650 gram thrust.

From all my test so far,it seems that the equal and opposite forces can be removed by way of continual liquid mass collision.

I am open to carrying out,and videoing any test request based around what i have found so far.I will only be able to do it during weekend though,as my work hours are to long to get anything done after work.These test will also have to be within my budget of course.

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Offline broli

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #80 on: September 01, 2014, 08:09:54 PM »
So you're saying that the jet or liquid doesn't have to leave the system for there to be a sideways force? Have you tried this experiment with a "wall" attached to the system so jt1, while jt2 is off, can crash on it and confirm the scale goes to 0?

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« Reply #81 on: September 01, 2014, 08:31:38 PM »
It sure makes it look like you've devised the basis for a propellantless drive, doesn't it?  Is that what you have, or if packaged up in a wheeled box would it just sit there?

Do you just want the answer?  Or do you prefer to go about finding the answer experimentally?

I encourage you to get to the conventional Newtonian conforming physics through additional experiments, because I like the way that this experiment appears to defy them.  I think that it is a good example of how assumptions can mess with us.

To proceed experimentally, there are two things that you will want to test.  The first is whether or not the result is due to deflecting the nozzle #1 stream with another stream or not.  To do that,  turn the second pump off and just put a deflector plate at the right side of the funnel and see what the scale reads.   

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Offline tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2014, 10:32:25 PM »
It sure makes it look like you've devised the basis for a propellantless drive, doesn't it?  Is that what you have, or if packaged up in a wheeled box would it just sit there?

Do you just want the answer?  Or do you prefer to go about finding the answer experimentally?

I encourage you to get to the conventional Newtonian conforming physics through additional experiments, because I like the way that this experiment appears to defy them.  I think that it is a good example of how assumptions can mess with us.

To proceed experimentally, there are two things that you will want to test.  The first is whether or not the result is due to deflecting the nozzle #1 stream with another stream or not.  To do that,  turn the second pump off and just put a deflector plate at the right side of the funnel and see what the scale reads.

I am baseing this around the fact that a rocket engine produces thrust without anything to push against in space-it works via mass ejection. As i seen no effect to either nozzle when two jets of water met at right angle's,then that gave a means to divert or change the direction of the water streem-i cannot measure the small amount of force produced via water surface tension,as it seems to small.

Will be doing more test this weekend,and will carry out the one you recomended Mark.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #83 on: September 02, 2014, 02:18:48 AM »
I am baseing this around the fact that a rocket engine produces thrust without anything to push against in space-it works via mass ejection. As i seen no effect to either nozzle when two jets of water met at right angle's,then that gave a means to divert or change the direction of the water streem-i cannot measure the small amount of force produced via water surface tension,as it seems to small.

Will be doing more test this weekend,and will carry out the one you recomended Mark.
We are on the same page with respect to the observations.  Ultimately, if we are careful, then we can see reality through the experiments.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #84 on: September 02, 2014, 12:49:27 PM »
If what i see so far with the test i have carried out,then this is one case when there is no equal and opposite reaction. Driving semi's for a living gives you a lot of time on the road to think of different setup's,and picture how they might work. On average,i travel around 800-1000km's a day-so pleanty of time to think.

From what i have seen so far,this project deserves a restart-going back to the begining. I havnt forgotten about my RFDD,but this has a far greater effect and force,and so this will be what gets my attention until i have the correct answer-one that is confirmed by people like your self Mark.

I have a design now in my head,(after a whole day on the road) that will also utilise the high flow of air created by the 1600 psi fan jet.This will also add to the efficiency via way of the venturi effect ! i hope!.

But first i will draw up the first test rig-post it here so as we can discus what flaws it may have for the test to be carried out.


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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2014, 01:34:07 PM »
Below is the test setup that will be used throughout the (A) series of test. Then it will be modified to carry out what we will call the (B) series of test.

If successful,i will spend !more money! ::) on building a stand alone system.

The first setup is just to get an accurate pull force reading on the scales. I will be using the house water supply,so as the preasure remains constant throughout the entire test series. When it comes time to use the high prssure pump,i will run both at the same time,and check pull force messurements again-just to make sure. the flow rate from the high pressure pump(fan jet) is only 5.5 LPM,so shouldnt effect the flow to the nozzle to much at all.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2014, 02:06:01 PM »
The second test,is to place a shield in front of the water jet,so as we can see the equal and opposite force at work. The scale should read zero force shown. If not,then we need to take a closer look at the setup.


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« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2014, 02:27:03 PM »
Next we will be carrying out test 1 again,but with the high pressure fan jet cutting the water jet,so as the direction of water flow is diverted downward. Scale readings will be compared with the readings from test one.The high pressure fan jet assembly will be fixed to the RHS frame-not the swinging frame.

These are the three test i will be carrying out in the first video,and hope to have them done by sunday-7-9-14.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #88 on: September 02, 2014, 03:31:06 PM »
Tinman that looks like a pretty reasonable set-up.  You might want to put a a full loop in the flexible section above the hinge, and make that section of hose as pliable as possible so that it does not transmit torque, one way or another to the hinged vertical section.  You might also want to run a pressurized null test by replacing the nozzle with a cap and adjusting the flexible section support for as little net force in either direction as possible.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #89 on: September 04, 2014, 06:43:53 PM »
Hi!
Where is the inertial drive here? ;-)

M= F x r.
10N x 1m= 1N x 10m.

mass= X kg.
Upside down rocket engine on mass= X kg+ propu force. Propu force= summa mass minus mass.

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