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Author Topic: Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!  (Read 4954 times)

Offline vineet_kiran

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Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
« on: August 07, 2014, 01:19:53 PM »
 
Perpetual SMOT using a steel track

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Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2014, 09:26:34 PM »
No this latest unworkable idea of yours doesn't work for reasons similar to why none of Howard Johnson's devices could cycle, and why a SMOT doesn't cycle.  The system has a potential energy minimum from the combination of the two fields: gravity and magnetic, and the system has losses.  The system will seek the combined potential energy minum, incurring losses as it does and therefore require the addition of external energy to return to any given starting point.


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Re: Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2014, 03:33:00 AM »
The system will seek the combined potential energy minum, incurring losses as it does and therefore require the addition of external energy to return to any given starting point.

Why an electron spins continuously round the nucleus?

As per classical theory, when a mass is heated, electrons in lower orbits jump to higher orbit absorbing heat energy and again jump back to their original orbits releasing photons.

What makes electrons to jump back to their original orbit, gain the revolution speed which can balance nuclear attraction by centrifugal force and spin again round the nucleus?  Instead, they can simply jump into the nucleus and get their charges neutralised thus ceasing the existance of matter?

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Re: Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2014, 03:59:45 AM »

Why an electron spins continuously round the nucleus?
Because no energy is transferred in the process.
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As per classical theory, when a mass is heated, electrons in lower orbits jump to higher orbit absorbing heat energy and again jump back to their original orbits releasing photons.
Classical theory falls rather short describing atomic particles.  Quantum theory does a much better job.
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What makes electrons to jump back to their original orbit, gain the revolution speed which can balance nuclear attraction by centrifugal force and spin again round the nucleus?  Instead, they can simply jump into the nucleus and get their charges neutralised thus ceasing the existance of matter?
Quantum theory  does not describe electrons whizzing about in orbits as per the Bohr model.  As far as we know: electrons don't just casually jump or fall into nuclei turning protons into neutrons.  When electrons and protons do combine, current theory holds that energy/matter is preserved.  Where are you getting your funny ideas?


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Re: Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2014, 06:15:49 AM »
Because no energy is transferred in the process.Classical theory falls rather short describing atomic particles.  Quantum theory does a much better job.Quantum theory  does not describe electrons whizzing about in orbits as per the Bohr model.  As far as we know: electrons don't just casually jump or fall into nuclei turning protons into neutrons.  When electrons and protons do combine, current theory holds that energy/matter is preserved.  Where are you getting your funny ideas?

 
Neither classical theory (Bohr's model) nor quantum mechanics explain things completely.  An electron is a charged particle.  A moving charged particle should continuously emit energy and finally fall into the nucleus after loosing its energy.  But this doesnot happen in reality.  Hence all explanations are made as postulates because there is no correct explanation for it .

Electrons donot fall into the nucleus because flux density on the orbit is more than the flux density on the nucleus itself.  This happens because fluxes produced by surrouding nuclii repel one another and create a track of stronger flux than the flux density on nucleus for the movement of electrons. This is the reason why matter exists as molecules and not as single atoms.

A charged particle always moves towards the region of stronger flux density of opposite cahrge. This doesnot need any explanation because it is just a matter of common sense.

Same principle I have used in this experiment. When  you bring a magnet near a relatively thin steel rod,  flux density induced in the rod is stronger than the density of flux on the surface of magnet itslef.  Hence steel ball kept on the track doesnot jump towards magnet.

By suitably arranging the steel track and magnet, you can get a difference between gravitational potential energy and magnetic potential to make the ball move on track perpetually.

The only reason which may prevent ball from moving perpetuall is magnetization.  If ball gets magnetized after a long time due to continuous exposure to magnetic pole, it may stop moving.

I don't agree with any of your stupid explanations which assumes energy as constant. Without creating energy this universe cannot exist. If energy is conserved,  all moving matters, particles will lose their energy someday and the universe ceases to exist.  But this has not happenned in ages.  Do you know the age of this universe?
 

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Re: Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2014, 07:33:46 AM »

 
Neither classical theory (Bohr's model) nor quantum mechanics explain things completely.  An electron is a charged particle.  A moving charged particle should continuously emit energy and finally fall into the nucleus after loosing its energy.  But this doesnot happen in reality.  Hence all explanations are made as postulates because there is no correct explanation for it .

Electrons donot fall into the nucleus because flux density on the orbit is more than the flux density on the nucleus itself.  This happens because fluxes produced by surrouding nuclii repel one another and create a track of stronger flux than the flux density on nucleus for the movement of electrons. This is the reason why matter exists as molecules and not as single atoms.

A charged particle always moves towards the region of stronger flux density of opposite cahrge. This doesnot need any explanation because it is just a matter of common sense.

Same principle I have used in this experiment. When  you bring a magnet near a relatively thin steel rod,  flux density induced in the rod is stronger than the density of flux on the surface of magnet itslef.  Hence steel ball kept on the track doesnot jump towards magnet.

By suitably arranging the steel track and magnet, you can get a difference between gravitational potential energy and magnetic potential to make the ball move on track perpetually.
If you believe that, then demonstrate it.  You won't because you and I both know that it will not work.
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The only reason which may prevent ball from moving perpetuall is magnetization.  If ball gets magnetized after a long time due to continuous exposure to magnetic pole, it may stop moving.
I have already explained why the ball does not move perpetually:  Finite starting energy, and finite loss each cycle within conservative fields.
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I don't agree with any of your stupid explanations which assumes energy as constant. Without creating energy this universe cannot exist. If energy is conserved,  all moving matters, particles will lose their energy someday and the universe ceases to exist.  But this has not happenned in ages.  Do you know the age of this universe?
You can adhere to whatever beliefs you choose.  Nature doesn't care what you believe. 

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Re: Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2014, 05:09:18 PM »

What type of magnet you have used?   I tried with all magnets available with me and with all sorts of iron rods.  Ball is not jumping to the steel rod.  Is it just a dream experiment?

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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2014, 07:50:14 PM »
Newton II,

I was with your thinking, but I saw a video on you-tube, where an iron "BB" jumped between a neodymium puck sized magnet and
one corner of a one layer "E" shaped iron metal core piece from a transformer. The video was not even concerning this event. I
doubt this holds for larger sized balls though, but I was glad that I was thinking about this, before seeing it happen. 

On another subject; I wish youtube.com would institute an AI artificial intelligence subject matter oriented search based on what
the computer thinks it is seeing in a video. This is especially true of foreign made videos where nonstandard verbage can be
used that precludes useful text searches. The ability to reorganize youtube directory for personal use would help too.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 05:29:41 AM »
What type of magnet you have used?   I tried with all magnets available with me and with all sorts of iron rods.  Ball is not jumping to the steel rod.  Is it just a dream experiment?

 
Have a look at this video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN6mFr7veF4&feature=youtu.be
 
 
It seems the effect depends on the flux pattern on the surface of magnet. 

The first magnet I used is a brokrn speaker magnet which has only one pole on each face.  Hence flux emerging out ofone face will be straight atleast near the surface of the magnet.  When you keep a steel ball on the surface of magnetflux bend towards ball and flow through the ball making flux density stronger inside the ball.  Hence when you bring iron rod near it,  the ball sticks to the iron rod.

The second round magnet I used is removed from a motor and has four poles on each face ie., two north poles and two south poles on each face.  Hence flux emerging out of north pole will be bending towards south pole and may be the flux flowing through the ball is neutralied by nearby opposite pole.  Hence the ball is not sticking to the steel rod.

I don't know the exact reason for this effect.  Somebody having deep knowledge in magnetism has to explain it.

Can anybody explain it?
 

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Re: Reverse SMOT on a steel track!!!
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2014, 07:21:43 PM »

I was with your thinking, but I saw a video on you-tube, where an iron "BB" jumped between a neodymium puck sized magnet and
one corner of a one layer "E" shaped iron metal core piece from a transformer.


Might be the size or thickness of the magnet has something to do with it.  If magnet is very thick, flux has to describe a larger loop to reach the other pole covering larger area.  Even from vineet's video we can see it happening with a thicker magnet.  I think in vineet's experiment if still smaller ball is used, it may give better results.

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