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Author Topic: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC  (Read 67713 times)

Offline Les Banki

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Kator01,

I am aware of Frank Znidarsic but his ideas/theories are based on QM (Quantum Mechanics) which is absolute CRAP!
I have known that (but without proof) for about 30 years.

Recently, however, 'proof' was/is supplied by a guy who is posting on THIS forum as well as on 'energeticforum.com' under the name
of 'TheoriaApophasis'.
His real name is Ken Lee Wheeler.
Check out his numerous posts but be warned, you will never be the same again! ;D


Chet,

Sorry, but Arie DeGues' Patent has little, if anything, to do with the subject being discussed here.
Note the use of hydrocarbon fuels which I am DEAD AGAINST!


profitis,

See?  You are not only admitting that you haven't read the documents ::) but 'proved' it as well with your second statement about using catalyst. ;)
If you have read the articles you would have clearly seen that BOTH experiments used catalyst in the water!

Perhaps now you can see how silly it is to make comments before you read!


wings,

I have been (but others might not be) aware of Professor Kanarev's work for many years.
Note the timing difference on the oscilloscope image.
His timing is in the ms range while the nano-pulse method we are discussing here is in the ns range!
In other words, a difference of two orders of magnitude!

Regards to all,
Les Banki

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Offline MarkE

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Are you certain about that "real name"?  Are you sure it isn't Denise Anderson?


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OK, then in that case, I have one more question:  In their paper it can be seen that hte secondary current has a big spike and then a long tail.  THeir hypothesis was that prolonged current conduction would result in the formation of a double layer that would hinder efficiency. Do you want a circuit that produces a long current tail like theirs, or only a short current pulse that is fully extinguished in half a microsecond or less?

Hi Mark, honestly i am not sure here. I did experiment(unsuccesfull) with theree igbts in paraler (simple circuit driven by DDS with ar), what does short voltage and current spikes. Like induction i have RF ferroxcube rod 200mm with 5 layers (4+1) of winding (0,8 mm smalted wire). Guesing that induction or driver circuit are wrong. I have some old big toroid i will try rewind that beast next weekend.

I want to simulate samehow same osciloscope waveform like they have (without sith). I would be gratefull for any ideas from you or others.

Offline MarkE

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Hi Mark, honestly i am not sure here. I did experiment(unsuccesfull) with theree igbts in paraler (simple circuit driven by DDS with ar), what does short voltage and current spikes. Like induction i have RF ferroxcube rod 200mm with 5 layers (4+1) of winding (0,8 mm smalted wire). Guesing that induction or driver circuit are wrong. I have some old big toroid i will try rewind that beast next weekend.

I want to simulate samehow same osciloscope waveform like they have (without sith). I would be gratefull for any ideas from you or others.
There are basically two ways to go:
1) As they did with a flyback topology.  The flyback arrangement has long current tails very visible in their oscilloscope captures.  The problem that I see with those long tails is that they defeat the idea of conducting only a large current for a short time.  For low voltage application such as theirs, a MOSFET with a driver that has good pull-down characteristics will do the job.  Turn-on is not so critical because the current is zero at turn-on.  You can use an off the shelf MOSFET driver, or roll one out of a couple of transistors and some discretes.  It depends on what is available to you parts-wise, and what kind of soldering equipment that you have.  The nice thing about the flyback configuration is that the output voltage just builds until current conducts.

2) A capacitive discharge topology.  This will yield very short duration, high power pulses.  For this sort of arrangement, I would charge up a polypropylene or polystyrene discharge capacitor using a flyback converter to a couple hundred volts and then discharge that with a MOSFET, or for higher power an IGBT.  In this configuration, it is the turn-on time that matters much more than the turn-off time.


Offline Acca

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 My response to Les Banki,
 
Thanks for the following  post as you are right Overunity dot com is infiltrated with self appointed paid “shills” to kill any idea that has a any potential of any fruition, there is NO DEBATE at all !! It’s just cut and gut the whole idea…
How does one get 10,000 posts like TinselKoala or Milehigh 2900 in a short time ??
Simple that is “Their Job” 8 hours a day.. These “Shills” are the real enemy of “FREE Energy” like TinselKoala, Milehigh, MarkE.. these are the biggest negative influence here !!
 
Acca..
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MileHigh said:
 
“I watched the whole clip.  The next step would be for someone independent to test the same setup.  The clip is too long and would require too much effort for me to check all the connections and scope settings, etc.”
 
TinselKoala said:
 
“I see that in the video, Alek assumes that his load is completely resistive and produces no phase shift and that the rms values read from the meters can simply be directly multiplied to get the real output power. This is not true.”
 
 
Milehigh said:
 
Supporting his troll brother:
 
“Dead on Mark like usual.  I am surprised that I actually watched a clip that long.  I have lost a lot of the vigor to get into it these days so your comments are welcome.  If you want to be cynical, this was just a rehearsed pitch to a willing audience so he pulled it off quite well.  I was too lazy to see how much difference the variance in the phase angle would cause to the number crunching.”
 
MileHigh said:
 
 ”However, my instincts are still good.  Seeing that hunk of wire and ferrite you could just tell it was the same old story.” 
 
Some one is pissed at the resident trolls !!
 
Steeltpu said:
 
“trolls seen squiming in their chairs and overheard saying: there is always some little detail we can find to turn a mole hill into a mountain.   if not we'll make something up that sounds believable.”
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Silll…..
 
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A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.
"Shill" typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that they are an enthusiastic independent  of for whom they are secretly working. The person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services. Shills are often employed by interests. "Plant" and "stooge" more commonly refer to any person who is secretly in league with another person or organization while pretending to be neutral or actually a part of the organization he is planted in, like intelligence organization.
Shill can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, such a critic would be an indirect shill for the industry at large, because said critic's income is tied to the prosperity of the industry.

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Offline MarkE

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The paid internet skeptic conspiracy theory is as ridiculous today as it has ever been.

At the end of the day someone can produce evidence that supports their claims or they do not.  If Bill Alek were delivering on his claims no one would pay attention to anyone saying that his claims are the bunk that they are, because under those circumstances, they obviously would not be bunk, and no amount of argument could change the obvious.  The problem for Bill Alek is the same problem that has plagued countless proponents of outrageous claims:  He cannot produce the goods.  Measurements: indifferent, good, or as in this case: very bad, do not make power supplies that operate for free.

Offline profitis

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Paid or not,shills can be a good thing for one reason: when they do post and are successfully countered,only truth remains. Disinformationists are the dangerous ones,but they too can be quikly put in their place if spotted.

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Offline MarkE

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Paid or not,shills can be a good thing for one reason: when they do post and are successfully countered,only truth remains. Disinformationists are the dangerous ones,but they too can be quikly put in their place if spotted.
Lies are always a problem.  There are lies some tell to others, and there are the worse lies that one uses to fool oneself into believing something one merely wishes.  Fortunately, rational people seek and weigh evidence.  Most often that results in finding the truth of matters.

Offline TinselKoala

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Acca...  you must be one of those legendary Paid Lurkers! Long time member but only a few posts and almost all of them insulting someone. Non-contributor! Bad Speller! LURKER!

You are probably collecting everybody's Free Energy designs into your little black notebook, which you will use in your Secret Lurkatory to construct all those items that nobody else has been able to get lurking. Er, working, I mean. I've got YOUR number, Paid Lurker.

 8)

(Don't Paid Lurkers have spelling checkers or dictionaries? Apparently not.)

Offline profitis

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So true @mark E,so true.but even non-self-deception needs criticism. open replicable experiments rule,wether failure or not.

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http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2212.msg40902#msg40902
Chemical energy is due to the different electron cloud arrangement of the compounds even though the elements are the same.
Can "electrolysised water" or "High Frequency Pulsed water" have different electron cloud arrangements as compared with ordinary water?
 
Divine revelation?
 


Offline Bob Smith

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Lawrence,
I would like to offer a slightly different angle on your conjecture, one that relates to your lead-out work with the Joule Theif.  I recall you posting about your team having put a secondary on the JT and then using the secondary's configuration to produce a feedback dynamic resulting in a standing wave, which can be drawn upon to produce excess energy. I believe this is the basic principle that has been spoken of by at least one person who was present at Stan Meyer's disclosure of his method to the Maori people in New Zealand.
 
Some commentators like Bearden will state that the inductive kickback is actually the aether pushing back on the circuit with energy from the vacuum to restore balance from the unbalanced state produced by a voltage spike.  My question is:
 
Does this energy from the vacuum have some kind of unique property which orders water to be more perfectly aligned (at the intra and inter-molecular level) in order that it can produce gases in overabundant quantity as Meyer and others who follow his method have claimed?
 
It is one thing to pulse water with a high voltage spike. But it seems to be quite another to take the inductive kickback from a circuit to produce a standing wave, and then, to use the standing wave's claimed overunity to drive a water-fracturing circuit.  Does the energy from the vacuum in fact constitute a more primeval  and effective ordering force for water to properly align for this kind of superabundant gas production to take place?
 
Here are some of the posts where you dealt with a standing wave in the JT produced by secondary configuration. See this post and subsequent posts further down on page:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7434-lee-tseung-lead-out-bring-energy-theory-4.html#post136798
 
Bob
 
 
 

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A post worth quoting in light of some of the discussion on this thread:
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by sm0ky2 @ http://www.overunity.com/8825/pulsed-dc-transformer-with-embedded-magnets/msg248725/#msg248725 :
i know very well the secrecy of the research we do.
ive studied the history of thousands of inventors of the past, and many seem to have eerily similar stories....

i've been around long enough to watch people here in these pages sell out to the industry.

ive seen misinformants come here with no intention other than discouraging us from doing what we do.

im not arguiing the facts you have presented.

only the way you are interpreting them.

you can perform the experiments to verify what i am telling you.
if you want i can even help you do that.
this is not some indoctrinated b.s. i pulled out of the books of the thermodynamically enslaved.

i myself have broken the laws of physics, i have defied the earth's atmosphere, i've proven einstein wrong and done things that would make steven hawking cry all over his wheelchair.
and i understand clearly how these things are able to take place, in defiance of some of the greatest minds mankind has ever known.
perhaps they were too smart for their own good ( and all of ours..)

there are secrets kept from our eyes that make the worlds largest supercomputer array look like child's play.
there are technologies that can play your body like a puppet, and most of the functions of your mind as well.
there are many things that SHOULD be kept secret.

i happen to believe infinite energy sources aren't one of them.

money makes the world go round my friend.
and those that take it from us will pay whatever they must to make sure they can keep taking it.
every day, drivers in the U.S. consume 378 million gallons of gasoline.  @ $2.69 a gallon
electricity, jet fuel, coal, heating oils, natural gas, propane, deisel, rocket-fuels.   <pause   hmmmmmmm>
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When you have a high permeability core (as used in modern electronics) its' resonant frequency is much higher than the components that utilize it are capable of.
you can have your inductance/capacitances in resonance,
which is quite common. with a lower permeability core, you can actually get them all to resonate together.
 


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I see lots of allegations and claims.  I don't see evidence that backs either one.  Dr. Hawking is fallible just like anyone else.  It would however be very unexpected and noteworthy should he be found to make a major mistake in his field.  Can the poster you quoted live up to their boasts?

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