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« Reply #615 on: September 22, 2014, 08:56:03 PM »

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« Reply #616 on: September 22, 2014, 09:48:51 PM »
We cannot rely on pomodoro.he explicitly stated that he may or may not with-hold info at will therefore you have to look at results here through the spectacles of a highly trained electrochemist to see anything suspiciously worthwhile here.in other words pomodoro may or may not have served his own interests from given information.pomodoro may also have been hesitant  to show something here even if he wanted to its a coin toss what you make of these results.I can assure you however that catalytic spillover is a very very textbook phenomena wether it be hydrogen or oxygen variety.it is in my laboratory-power to show oxygen spillover variety eg the nickel-mnO2 variety without a shred of doubt behave in reversable manner.the negative potential shown in the step-down spillover tests absolutely rule out any kind of galvanic corrosion.you will get this distinct mark only in a spillover cell,any spillover cell.this marker-potential will always be positive for the hydrogen moiety and negative for oxygen moiety.this distinct signal is absent from corrosion-dominated species

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« Reply #617 on: September 22, 2014, 09:57:49 PM »
Let me see if I can get the sheehan link sorted.

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« Reply #618 on: September 22, 2014, 10:22:44 PM »
We cannot rely on pomodoro.he explicitly stated that he may or may not with-hold info at will therefore you have to look at results here through the spectacles of a highly trained electrochemist to see anything suspiciously worthwhile here.in other words pomodoro may or may not have served his own interests from given information.pomodoro may also have been hesitant  to show something here even if he wanted to its a coin toss what you make of these results.I can assure you however that catalytic spillover is a very very textbook phenomena wether it be hydrogen or oxygen variety.it is in my laboratory-power to show oxygen spillover variety eg the nickel-mnO2 variety without a shred of doubt behave in reversable manner.the negative potential shown in the step-down spillover tests absolutely rule out any kind of galvanic corrosion.you will get this distinct mark only in a spillover cell,any spillover cell.this marker-potential will always be positive for the hydrogen moiety and negative for oxygen moiety.this distinct signal is absent from corrosion-dominated species
WRT Pomodoro, that's one speculation piled on top of another.

Assure all you want.  We know that these text books do not claim violations of the Second Law, as you keep representing they tacitly do.  So it would seem that their authors interpret the contents much differently than you do.


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« Reply #619 on: September 22, 2014, 11:26:47 PM »
Google 'sheehan epicatalysis' for that paper. I never claimed that textbook authors on spillover point out a kelvin discrepency.spillover researchers are paid to research industrial catalysis and improve industrial catalysis and nothing more.the fact remains that the original karpen cell itself and all catalyst cells like it indeed behave in a manner consistent with textbooks ie.they behave in a manner consistent with catalytic spillover.a handfull of guys have now noticed its horrifying reversability.

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« Reply #620 on: September 23, 2014, 06:26:02 AM »
Google 'sheehan epicatalysis' for that paper. I never claimed that textbook authors on spillover point out a kelvin discrepency.spillover researchers are paid to research industrial catalysis and improve industrial catalysis and nothing more.the fact remains that the original karpen cell itself and all catalyst cells like it indeed behave in a manner consistent with textbooks ie.they behave in a manner consistent with catalytic spillover.a handfull of guys have now noticed its horrifying reversability.
OK, so you can't fix the link.  Let's set that aside.
Your statement that: 
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I never claimed that textbook authors on spillover point out a kelvin discrepency.
appears to undermine months and months of representations by you that text books support your Second Law violation claims.  You've just given Sarkeizen a field day.

If you come up with actual evidence to support your ideas then I will look.  I have little interest in hunting down references that you say support your ideas when you cannot even seem to locate those references.  It kind of boggles my mind how you can feel certain of the contents of something that you do not have available to review.

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« Reply #621 on: September 23, 2014, 08:14:25 AM »
Very simple.you take catalysts that are impossible to galvanicly corrode eg nickel-hydroxide,Fe2O3  or TiO2 or MnO2 or FTO and see if you get a spillover-marker potential btween them.(And you do).you also take metallic galvanic couples that  give a spontaneous-reverse potential eg Au-MnO2 or impossible galvanic potential eg Pt-Pt, Ni-Ni,TiO2-TiO2 and check for the marker-potential.comparison under nitrogen or argon helps too

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« Reply #622 on: September 23, 2014, 11:40:09 AM »
Very simple.you take catalysts that are impossible to galvanicly corrode eg nickel-hydroxide,Fe2O3  or TiO2 or MnO2 or FTO and see if you get a spillover-marker potential btween them.(And you do).you also take metallic galvanic couples that  give a spontaneous-reverse potential eg Au-MnO2 or impossible galvanic potential eg Pt-Pt, Ni-Ni,TiO2-TiO2 and check for the marker-potential.comparison under nitrogen or argon helps too
These are your claims, so you are free to arrange whatever experiments you feel will support those claims.

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« Reply #623 on: September 23, 2014, 02:04:40 PM »
These are not my claims.these are the textbook claims.according to the textbook literature, spillover should happen between eg. MnO2 and nickel-hydroxide.you are free to test a profitis cell to your hearts content.it is capable of many times original karpen power density in a multi-cell battery.

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« Reply #624 on: September 23, 2014, 02:29:01 PM »
I can propose an experiment.  Have Profitis come up with a list of how a rate change
in the the spillover reaction would manifest itself in several different cells. Then expose
those cells to a step increase in a PEP-II neutrino beam at the Fermi-Lab accelerator's
2MW PEP-II neutrino beam. So that the cell receives from 2 to 10 times the standard
flux of neutrinos. As a show stopper also vary the neutrino mass through a range
and show that there is a resonance like tuning peak in the spillover reaction exactly
at the PEP-II neutrino mass.


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« Reply #625 on: September 23, 2014, 04:25:29 PM »
One step at a time markscoffman.with a maxwell demon catalyst sending the redox reaction to the left at one electrode and to the right at the other,there is no need for anything except ambient temperature.

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« Reply #626 on: June 15, 2017, 08:11:10 AM »
O2|Ni|[OH-][(Fe(CN)6)4-]MnO2|O2


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« Reply #627 on: June 23, 2017, 04:13:06 PM »
H2|C|(H+)(Cl-)|Ag

 

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