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Offline profitis

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2014, 02:18:49 PM »
I also want to add: the rules of electrochemistry are set in stone so to say that the energy is coming from 'somewhere else' and not from common gaseous overpotential differences is like expecting a normal batterie's power to be coming from mars when its just common elecrtochemistry.

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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2014, 12:23:53 AM »
@profitis, you say that nothing external varies the output of the Karpen, what I would like to know is are there any experiments supporting that, and if so can you give me a link?


As to the issue of the need for a Demon, I think your statement is too wide, I agree that there are some 2lot violating ideas that do not fit with the classic demon, I say sebithenco is one as it does not require energy to be expended to do the sorting of kinetic energies, but I am not sure about if the Karpen does costless energy sorting, or not.


Have you actually built a Karpen? and if so have you tested it photo sensitivity.


As you may know light can cause impermanent chemical changes, the fact that a Karpen cell exists in a jar in a non light shielded room, and has worked for decades doing useful work, would lead any reasonable person to ask if the diurnal effects are an issue that need to be explored. You cannot declare the Karpen to be a perpetual cell if you have no proof that it is not simply a photocell.


I am not saying you are wrong, but I am simply stating that people questioned the sebithenco on the same issues, I had to prove no photo or Rf influence, no temperature gradient, and no radioactiviy before I could myself conclude that it was a proved violator, then I had other people do the experiment (5 different people in 5 different locations) and confirm my findings. Then I carried out 100s of experiments to test everything I could that would influence the Sebithenco, and all this has been over years, only with all that can I state with a scientific level of proof that the Sebithenco is a 2LOT violator. I cannot simply accept from you a blanket statement that nothing can influence the Karpen output, and in fact if there is no correlation with ambient temperature it suggests that the Karpen's energy is not coming from heat. So if you have some evidence re putting the karpen in a controlled environment you should state it now, otherwise I cannot see much point in discussing the device further.

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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2014, 03:13:26 AM »
Mr hardcastle..either the suggested cells I have diagrammed will power an ipod or radio for its FULL lifespan anywhere anytime OR it will not.nothing inbetween.it is not of commercial interest wether it is a 2lot violation or not.that is purely a scientific curiosity.but for the sake of scientific curiosity if we are to agree with the laws of electrochemistry then we must go by them and nothing else.if there is an gradient available for electrochemical catalytic gaseous spillover then by the suggestion of textbooks,it must happen.so let us simplify this even further to make it more clear,let's cut out the electrochemistry alltogether: we take a catalyst particle eg platinum and a substrate particle eg carbon,shove them under hydrogen and contact them 2gether,the textbooks tell us that spillover will take place,who are we to argue? We now seperate them again..what happens now phil?

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2014, 03:29:12 AM »
Yoi talk about separating real world things as though the energy to do that is zero.


All I know of the Karpen is that there is one, not yours, that has been outputting a small amount of useful power for IRC 60 years. What I do not know is if it gets energy from the environment or chemically, but since the device has not corroded to total mush then I must conclude it is getting energy from an external source. So the question is; is it thermal, light, RF, vibration or something else?


So far you have not given me any information that can answer this most basic question.


As to LAWS, if i do not respect the 2nd Law then there is little point in asking me blindly to accept another law.


My work has always been to get to the essence of what is going on when we see some effect, whether that is thermionic or otherwise, so if I can get a handle on the Karpen I would need to understand the action at an atomic or molecular level, in other words given 2 chemical equations that you would say are reversible I would need to know the mechanism that drives them one way and then the other, somewhere in that understanding we would need to see a flow of energy if it is at times endothermic. Again for all I know the secret to the Karpen that has been having scientists scratch their heads for the last 60 years could be light or even biological.


Profits I am not being difficult but I know how the sebithenco works and how it is a 2LOT violator, but as yet I have no real understanding of if the Karpen violates 2LOT, and I suspect it is a rational conclusion to say there is a mystery to be solved, otherwise it would seem strange that 100s of scientists have failed to explain it if all it is, is a simple chemical equation pair.

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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2014, 03:45:26 AM »
The only single question you need to ask yourself mr hardcastle is this: is catalytic gaseous spillover from one particle onto another,100percent reversable.it boils down to this and this alone. If it is then its a clean violation of kelvin rule.if it isn't then its not.so its either A or B.nothing inbetween

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2014, 03:50:17 AM »
The question is, has it been proved?


If we do not know the effect of it being in a lead box, then we are only guessing as to whether it is 100% reversible.


You have studied this, you tell me the evidence that supports your view that it violates Kelvin.

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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2014, 04:12:01 AM »
Do some research mr hardcastle.See if you can theoretically disprove it.search every angle because if you can't theoreticly disprove it then ones confidence in it goes high.all the cells which I've built work just fine.I guess the only way to really prove anything regarding a 2lot discrepency to oneself is to physically build, test,retest,retest etc. Do you have a lab at your disposal phil?

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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2014, 04:23:01 AM »
Profitis, I have no interest in repeating what you have done, my business is thermionic power and its roll out, your interest is Karpen, but what you intend to do with what you believe works is not clear.


I am making tiny cells to power Cochlears using body temperature, and other technology (20th August) to enable large scale power production at higher temperatures. For what it is worth I can tell you that if you can build a tiny sealed Karpen cell for a few dollars that works forever, but only at a few mW, it is still a worthwhile product, can you do that?


The devices I am providing to Cochlears and others will cost about $100 per mW, so you could beat me if yours is small, sealed and eternal with a ticket price of $50.

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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2014, 05:20:55 AM »
No I'm just looking for a nice comfortable job mr hardcastle.preferably overseas america,uk.I don't have the cash for development, rollouts.I'l be in my element in a well equiped lab and go ballistic with my ideas.I think your going at the right practical angle now with high temperature thermionics as opposed to the uncertain power density of the yet-to-be-made quenco.I've seen karpen cells of similar power as your battery but I'm only just touching the surface of the whole pandora box here.there's too many possibilities.

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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2014, 10:56:43 AM »
Hi Profitis, sorry I cannot offer you a job, but please feel free to keep in touch with me off this site.


The issues with built quentrons were not that of total failure, they in fact achieved a part success, but we have had to go back to the drawing board to understand why the quenco in tunneling mode did not perform as Sebithenco did in ballistic vacuum, the answer was very subtle and way beyond this thread, but briefly it was about asymmetry that was not effective when using a graphene barrier, we have fixed that now. I will put together a paper on the subject for arxiv after we have completed all the PCT patents, quantum physics is a very strange beast and it (the quenco story) should make interesting reading.


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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2014, 06:34:37 PM »
Thanks phil I'l keep in touch (-: 

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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2014, 07:02:40 PM »
Profitis, I have no interest in repeating what you have done, my business is thermionic power and its roll out, your interest is Karpen, but what you intend to do with what you believe works is not clear.


I am making tiny cells to power Cochlears using body temperature, and other technology (20th August) to enable large scale power production at higher temperatures. For what it is worth I can tell you that if you can build a tiny sealed Karpen cell for a few dollars that works forever, but only at a few mW, it is still a worthwhile product, can you do that?


The devices I am providing to Cochlears and others will cost about $100 per mW, so you could beat me if yours is small, sealed and eternal with a ticket price of $50.

hi Philip Hardcastle,

It seems i have already released free energy device some time back which can be run "24/7" merely on body heat as long we are alive(6c difference,36.5c body -> 30c room temp ) at one tenth the cost < $10 as compared to your estimated $100 per mW.25mV starting voltage for my case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzww6yPQMrg

That is just my version 1.0 which needs 4 fets in parallel.The version 2.0 which i did not bother releasing merely needs 2 key components 2SK170 and ZTX1049(or any ultra "low vce" drop transistor) in parallel configuration.Many people have duplicate my v1.0 device with successful results.It's free for all to replicate.

I have quickly lost interest in that free energy device which merely  produce power in mW.

Moving on to KW power with some other experiments which i am doing R&D work at the moment which runs into few thousand dollars partially due to shipping cost as well.
(Details will only be released provided if i am successful) :D
 
"Doing business related to electronics is kinda tricky these days if it's easy to reverse engineer and further improved from there by some other companies"

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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2014, 01:33:51 AM »
50ml is the same size as some of the larger ipods @madebymonkeys.some large ones use same size bat as the small ones.I don't know if I'l get it right for this task unless I find a way to get the dc current flow continuous as opposed to burst curves.if I can get the current flow continuous then the whole ballgame changes dramaticly. That's why these are best suited for pulse circuitry.what about watches @madebymonkeys.why do people buy solar and kinetic like hot cakes?

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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2014, 02:24:23 AM »
Yes cellfones have just about made ipods obsolete @sarkeizen which is why I want to focus on remotes,watches,clocks.these are all very much here to stay so it boils down to the factors that would make everlasting these attractive to buyers,manufacturers.pocket radios are still big.shortcircuiting is the best way to prove no galvanic corrosion via unchanging wattage when in use.no chemicals are 'burned' up.

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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2014, 03:23:36 AM »
Thanks profitis.


As to your Karpen, if you believe 30cc can yield mW, why could it not provide Watts?


A flat plate capacitor deliver pF, one with the right intervening materials delivers uF, and then ultraCaps deliver Farads, surely your Karpen could benefit from some similar effect of increasing the surface area by a factor of 1,000x or even 1,000,000x, in which case just 1cc could be Watts, is this possible, and if so what would you need to make an ultra Karpen cell? or should you keep that quiet and patent something first?

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