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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 248466 times)

Offline Kator01

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2014, 01:33:14 AM »
Hello noonespecial,

do you have a link to the Website you got these pictures from ?
Or can you please provide better quality ( bigger size, not compressed ) of these pictures.
This device is very interesting however I see a possible flaw therefore a better quality would be
helpful

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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2014, 07:24:17 AM »
It's a mechanical amplifier ,by Jim Murray, in the 80's

I doubt you would see, with your small brain, a mistake by Jim Murray, who has a big big brain.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2014, 08:08:06 AM »
Congratulations Arto, you mostly have it right. Looks like you've been photocopying my drawings!  ;)

Just kidding - you know I love your work.

That John device though is not the same mechanism and putting two weights opposite on the shaft defeats the asymmetry of the system. His attachment at the top is also going in a circle - not elliptical and if I grab the bottom weight on his device, it will stop the input because they are in lock-step with each other and the input and output MUST NOT BE directly proportional to each other.

If you grab the output, you should be able to do so and the input can still spin without locking up and visa versa - lock up the input and the bottom weight can still free spin around the axis. We're dealing with open dissipative systems that are out of equilibrium. If the input and output are directly related to each other, then forget about it - no gains.

I know this because I started to replicate the Skinner machine almost 2 years ago and have had a working model for about a year. After I had my conference last year, Jim Murray were at my home with Peter Lindemann when Peter interviewed Jim live on the internet here in my office - Jim saw my basic setup in my shop... I saw the references to Jim's mechanical device that someone posted. Jim is a master at both the electrical, math and mechanical devices.

I don't have a lot of time to get into this, but in my forum - http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/17195-william-f-skinner-1939-gravity-power.html I'll start a thread and will lay down the basics of how the Skinner machine works. It's not a mystery and like I said, I've done it.

One thing that would be helpful to me is if anyone can tell me a very simple way to rotate an iphone video 90 degrees - that is what I used to shoot some demonstrations of the priniciples back then...been using Android every since.

Anyway, I was going to demonstrate it at this year's conference but I had a lot of pressure from a lot of people to do a presentation on the Plasma Ignition so that is what I'm doing and was going to plan to release the Skinner replica at the 2015 conference. But since some of you seem genuinely interested in this, I'm open to sharing some...depends on how many people take what I share and actually apply it with some real builds. If I see that, I'll share more.

Stefan, feel free to copy and paste anything I put on my forum here for your readers.

So you know I'm not kidding - I just put this up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJDCgmtITRs

Anyway, was pleased to find this thread!


Aaron



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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #78 on: May 30, 2014, 10:48:53 AM »
 I think it lacks a degree of freedom in this model.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJDCgmtITRs
 On the sequence that I selected https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rxIRaJlTD4Y#t=29
 in the link can be seen that the longer the long cylinder can rotate about its axis independently with respect to the smaller cylinder.
 I think see the angle between the small cylinder and the long cylinder not fixed.
 


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #79 on: May 30, 2014, 01:16:05 PM »
And i just thought this tread has no trolls...

How can someone replicate  working device ,along that has his own forum for more spam,

and does not put any measurements, pictures, videos.. of the working device.

This site is good ,but you have to put a lot of effort just to learn something valuable among the sea of misinformation.

All the people that really intend to replicate or just try to understand this device or similar one,

i ask them  can they schem  a fizik forces that work on this device thank you

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Offline noonespecial

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #80 on: May 30, 2014, 04:27:07 PM »
Hello noonespecial,

do you have a link to the Website you got these pictures from ?
Or can you please provide better quality ( bigger size, not compressed ) of these pictures.
This device is very interesting however I see a possible flaw therefore a better quality would be
helpful

Regards
Kator01


These were borrowed from Jeff Otto's website:
http://bwt.jeffotto.com/bwt_catalogue/electricity.htm

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #81 on: May 30, 2014, 05:23:12 PM »


If you grab the output, you should be able to do so and the input can still spin without locking up and visa versa - lock up the input and the bottom weight can still free spin around the axis. We're dealing with open dissipative systems that are out of equilibrium. If the input and output are directly related to each other, then forget about it - no gains.


Aaron


Jim Murray agrees with you. This is taken from Jim Murray's Mechanical Amplifier video which I assume most here have seen and Jim makes the following observation:
"The reason why power is conserved in an ordinary transmission is because of where we choose to place the prime mover. If the prime mover is placed on the axis of symmetry, I don't care what arrangement you have, any power gained as part of the system will be destroyed when the output is brought back to the center."


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Offline qiman

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #82 on: May 30, 2014, 09:05:09 PM »
I think it lacks a degree of freedom in this model.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJDCgmtITRs
 On the sequence that I selected https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rxIRaJlTD4Y#t=29
 in the link can be seen that the longer the long cylinder can rotate about its axis independently with respect to the smaller cylinder.
 I think see the angle between the small cylinder and the long cylinder not fixed.

What do you mean it lacks a degree of freedom?

The lower heavier weight rotates around a fixed axis at the bottom. At the top of that shaft connected to the lower weight, it moves in an oval shape. The graph paper diagrams at the end of my video show you 100% the mechanism to translate back and forth oscillating motion to circular motion that causes the top of the shaft to move in an elliptical orbit. The back and forth kicks the upper weight back and forth while the momentum of the upper weight moves in a general circular orbit. As the upper weight moves that "translation" plate (i find it funny someone used that same word here as I do) - that pulls the top of the upper shaft around to FOLLOW the path of the upper weight. The lower weight follows the upper weight.

Again, that diagram I show at the end is the sequence of the mechanism and you can replicate the entire thing by understanding that in addition to knowing how to keep the lower weight shaft moving independently and not in lock step with the input section. With those two thing, you can replicate the entire machine.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #83 on: May 30, 2014, 09:22:29 PM »

Jim Murray agrees with you. This is taken from Jim Murray's Mechanical Amplifier video which I assume most here have seen and Jim makes the following observation:
"The reason why power is conserved in an ordinary transmission is because of where we choose to place the prime mover. If the prime mover is placed on the axis of symmetry, I don't care what arrangement you have, any power gained as part of the system will be destroyed when the output is brought back to the center."



Here is an excerpt we put out about mechanical amplifiers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNeLgqrXJiw that was filmed at some event put out by Greer - he mentions that in this recent interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhaAxQjyeC0

Yes, that is the concept that many people have a hard time wrapping their heads around.

For example, another legitimate "ou" mechanical amplifier is the Veljko 2 State Oscillator:

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/OscilacijeEng.html

(http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/oscillator_animation.gif)

As it is rocking, if you hold the large hammer down on the "anvil" end and prevent it from moving - the input pendulum at the right side will continue to rock back and forth until it stops. It is not in lockstep with the output. They must be indirectly connected so the output is not proportional to the input. Otherwise, gravitational potential energy cannot enter the system and add to the work being done. But in the Veljko arrangement, it can as well as in the Skinner machine. Later, I'll show a clip showing how I separate them - it's pretty easy. The same principle applies to the Bedini SG, Jim Murray's SERPS device and every single legitimate Over 1.0 COP device - not just mechanical over 1.0 COP machines.

Otherwise, it is a closed loop system that will wind down to equilibrium (dead stop) and can't put external gravitational potential to use.

For example, some people look at Veljko's device and compare it to a grasshopper oil well pump because they refuse to acknowledge non-equilibrium principles.

(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_556/12898243606o77f4.jpg)

If you stop the output pumping section and lock it up, it is directly connected to the input and will lock up the whole machine. The input will not be able to move at all. And likewise, if you lock up the input section, the output section will not continue to move until it dies down, it will simply instantly stop since it is in lockstep. This machine is a closed loop machine where there it cannot make use of free gravitational potential input. Huge difference from the open looped Vejlko machine and the Skinner machine.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #84 on: May 31, 2014, 04:24:23 AM »
Hi everyone,

I find this invention very interesting. Thanks to all for sharing.

I made a clean looped video of the top of the device to better observe the top mechanical movement. I'm quite sure it moves in a circular motion.

Hope the video upload works. If you also select loop in your media player it will keep starting over.

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #85 on: May 31, 2014, 05:50:19 AM »
Thanks Luc
I have drawn a mechanism which matches the top config in the loop video. No more mysteries now, only the principles of translations need to be clarified, so further improvements and understanding will result from our collected effort. Also thanks Aaron for expanding the ideas and clarity of these types of devices, we can all gain from revisiting ground uncovered by all these researchers. Regards Arto.
 

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #86 on: May 31, 2014, 05:57:03 AM »
Hi everyone,

I find this invention very interesting. Thanks to all for sharing.

I made a clean looped video of the top of the device to better observe the top mechanical movement. I'm quite sure it moves in a circular motion.

Hope the video upload works. If you also select loop in your media player it will keep starting over.

Luc
Hi gotoluc,
Thank you.



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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #87 on: May 31, 2014, 06:03:05 AM »
Hi Artoj,
Thanks for your drawings.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #88 on: May 31, 2014, 09:02:00 AM »
Too big, too expensive.

Better designs and higher COP can be made I have no doubt.

But I like those arms above  ;D


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #89 on: May 31, 2014, 03:12:59 PM »
Thanks Luc
I have drawn a mechanism which matches the top config in the loop video. No more mysteries now. 
Regards Arto.

Hi Artoj,

thanks for your drawings.

I believe your top mechanical drawing is correct but what comes clear is the motor shaft could be mounted directly to the center gear which should cause less pulley and belt losses. So the question is, did the inventor go though all that trouble and waste just so the electric motor could be visible for demonstration purpose?

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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