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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 266070 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2014, 05:04:49 AM »
Did anyone from the US yet call SkinnerĀ“s son and asked about the machine ?

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2014, 05:27:13 AM »
Bobby Amrasingham drives an eccentric weight via flexible coupling and harvests this with a clever ''wobble translator''.

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This was posted by a knowledgeable and wise man.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2014, 04:05:49 PM by ARMCORTEX »


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2014, 06:02:29 AM »
Bobby Amrasingham drives an eccentric weight via flexible coupling and harvests this with a clever ''wobble translator''.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51593515/bobby%20new.phz

This was posted by a knowledgeable and wise man.

What is phz file,  can you post jpeg  or png of that file?

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2014, 06:21:49 AM »
Unwise be the profane.

Thou shall be initiated only when thou shall be wise.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2014, 06:36:27 AM »
Unwise be the profane.

Thou shall be initiated only when thou shall be wise.

well, there are not everyone have such sotfware to open that file, including me, old pc here  with limited internet connection, etc..  if you won't , never mind.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2014, 06:36:27 AM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2014, 06:42:07 AM »
Phz files can only be opened by a special program developped by NASA.

No profane has access to this exclusive program, wich is reserved for the elite and initiated.

If you are lucky enough to be one of these , you put the file in scenes directory.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2014, 07:47:58 AM »

I guess (but sure) it is 3D animation with complex calculation, something like openGL or GLscene,  i will forget it. as my pc will reject before i start it.  no need to know  mystery further.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2014, 07:47:58 AM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2014, 02:47:31 PM »

I do not like this kind of mystery-behaviour. One even can not be sure if the file is infected. I get the impressionn that you yourself have not opened it and leaving this experiment to someone else
You challenge me, do not do it another time because you are wasting members time here. Do not forget : This is an open-source-forum.

Scroll down to the bottom of the page and drop the file in the blue frame for analysis

http://www.solvusoft.com/en/file-extensions/file-extension-phz/



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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #68 on: May 28, 2014, 01:46:23 AM »
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I am becoming good at seeing that there are numerous mechanical analogs to the dual
pendulum systems. I believe that the manual rotating chair is such a system that uses
movement between two different centers of gravity of the chair to assert manual control.
I don't believe that that system is gaining much overunity energy from doing it, *but that it is
only a mechanical control mechanism* being used by Skinners machine.

In effect this Skinner system is a dual gyroscopic machine that is using precession of upper
and lower rotating gyroscopes. Note that the offsetting of small weights causes the "ice skater
moving their arms in and out to control centrifugal angular momentum velocity" to speed up
and slow down in a regular time sequence intervals the rotation rate of the upper gyroscope.
When a toy top slows down it begins to lean over under the affects of gravity, likewise when
it is sped-up it begins to straighten upright again. Note that precessional gyroscopic leaning is
not coupled to the gyroscopes rotational momentum. So I think the energy involved in leaning
over and straightening up again may not be coupled directly to the freewheeling flywheel input
energy and may be overunity. The machine is somehow recombining that the extra energy
acquired from the extra tilting energy back into the motor's rotational energy and outputting it.

I remember that there are mathematical problems associated in this area of analyzing the
operation of gyroscopes and the centripetal angular velocity changes of a spinning mechanism.

I'll bet a LEGO machine expert could rebuild a scale model of this machine using composite carbon
spindles and maybe a couple 3D printed parts.

So the fundamental operation *is* that of a flywheel but with extra gyroscopic provided goodies.

Thanks to Artoj for his excellent "remote viewing" and drawing expertise!

:S:MarkSCoffman


Worthy observations, Mark!  Notice the peculiar similarity to Finsrud's machine, though inverted.  The longer cylinder weights are angled to the shorter heavy cylinders to provide a spring tensioned buffer for load changes, evening out performance, reducing stress and reducing the overall energy required to maintain momentum. (Newton's First "law")  The upper levers pointing skyward above the machine, drive the rocking of the multiple axes for the system, and are in turn, driven by the small motor, trading rotary speed for the prodigious leverage necessary to initiate and regulate the system.  What Skinner has done, essentially, is vastly multiply the leverage he first noticed perhaps by idly spinning a chair as have many lads through the years.  Intuitively, one may notice that much kinetic energy can be created and maintained very easily in this fashion.  Heavy weights such as those shown in the video would make effective use of the deceptively simple principles being exploited. 

As one is able to balance gravitic and centripetal/centrifugal forces through such minor inputs at the axis, an aggregate flywheel is created which 'siphons' gravitic energy in a manner so simple, that it is easily overlooked.  Just playing with the "spinning chair effect" will quickly educate one in achieving enlightening balances between the forces involved.  One may be startled at how quickly the forces are multiplied, such that the strength required to keep the system stable and moving in an efficient arcuate motion, may be mistaken for force generated.  Imagine spinning the same chair in the same fashion, but with a metal ring to keep the axis eccentric with only an impetus to drive the system required.  That's when the bells begin to ring and the lights begin to flash.

1200% gains in the system as displayed?  Doubtful. But certainly a worthwhile step into the future past.

Zero doubt that Skinner's device converted gravitic energy to useful work.


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« Last Edit: May 28, 2014, 05:25:06 AM by TechStuf »

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2014, 06:20:10 AM »
What is phz file,  can you post jpeg  or png of that file?

This appears to be an Algodoo mechanical model file set in zip format.
If you change file file suffix from phz to zip, it should unpack with any zip tool, revealing an Algodoo model file scene.phn which contains readable program text, and some image files.  The Algodoo physics modeler software is available at http://www.algodoo.com .

These physics programs use traditional pro-gravity under-unity mathematical models.  A mechanical simulation showing overunity or space-drive behavior can be caused by numerical badness such as underflow or divide-by-zero in the simulation code.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2014, 07:30:22 AM »

thank @ not_a_mib.   i see now a picture and this, "Algodoo scene created by Algodoo v2.1.0".


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2014, 01:44:45 PM »
http://postimg.org/image/b1a15g7rx/

ok there is simplified draw of the device.

1 an 2 are generators

f1 is smaller than F2 so its overunity

but the key is how to transmit power over axis between 1 and 2 weight


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2014, 03:05:07 PM »
Hi all, I am still drawing a complete picture(with measurements), it just takes time. Here are some more details that should help. Regards Arto


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2014, 03:54:17 PM »
This reminds me of this device which is allegedly attributed to Jim Murray. There may or may not be any precession in his design which would be the biggest difference:


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #74 on: May 29, 2014, 01:17:44 PM »
http://s28.postimg.org/5yhmqdw3x/www.jpg

the devices have similar principal

I think that fiscal it would work ,having in mind that F1 generator  starts first and F2 generator starts after the spin of the weight

did get the needed speed to charge th F2 generator that works harder than F1 generator.

If anyone has some ideas on this please post..

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #74 on: May 29, 2014, 01:17:44 PM »

 

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