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Offline CuriousChris

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2014, 10:37:52 AM »

Where in this contraption is the gravity component?


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2014, 11:17:07 AM »
LOL!

What a carnival. The sketches dont at all relate to the image I imagined from the written description.  Most people, even professional technical writers, do a very poor job of communicating in words, a description of anything more complicated than a hammer.

In fact the sketches dont make any sense at all.

My previous comment about reminding me of something and how it seems to work, are out the window. Who knows what is going on with this enigmatic thing.

Restart.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2014, 12:43:05 PM »
A flywheel is a store of kinetic energy. all those spinny things in the video store kinetic energy. a pendulum also stores kinetic energy.

That contraption does nothing more than store kinetic energy. so its essentially a clumsy flywheel.

And that's how he can use the lathe. The lathe uses power intermittently. thus draws it out of the "kinetic store" but I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was also another power source.
Hi CuriousChris,
Perhaps more research should be the reason why: a machine designed to have multiple axis motion tilt swivel so complex!  Well, just the usual flywheel shaft with two bearings pillow firmly fastened on the chassis and mechanical connection to the electric motor is finished!. . much more easily and neatly. . .  ;D

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2014, 03:05:59 PM »
Hi,

I think I see how this machine is working but I am not a mechanical design expert.
I am more into computation and electronic design.

I see three functional constructions in this machine in three separate parts.
(One) transmits forces. The (Second) allows scripted movement allowing for synchronization
and averaging purposes of certain mechanical movements, the (Third) are joints allowing
for degrees of freedom so that forces can vest in terms of energy.

For example, if I had a gyroscope that had gained extra energy how would I couple
that extra energy out of a mechanism? One way would be to use a second gryoscope
underneath it that was syncronized with upper one, and a linkage to compare
the two and  couple out the extra energy that way. I'll bet that the middle linkage
is doing that fucntion.

I am becoming good at seeing that there are numerous mechanical analogs to the dual
pendulum systems. I believe that the manual rotating chair is such a system that uses
movement between two different centers of gravity of the chair to assert manual control.
I don't believe that that system is gaining much overunity energy from doing it, *but that it is
only a mechanical control mechanism* being used by Skinners machine.

In effect this Skinner system is a dual gyroscopic machine that is using precession of upper
and lower rotating gyroscopes. Note that the offsetting of small weights causes the "ice skater
moving their arms in and out to control centrifugal angular momentum velocity" to speed up
and slow down in a regular time sequence intervals the rotation rate of the upper gyroscope.
When a toy top slows down it begins to lean over under the affects of gravity, likewise when
it is sped-up it begins to straighten upright again. Note that precessional gyroscopic leaning is
not coupled to the gyroscopes rotational momentum. So I think the energy involved in leaning
over and straightening up again may not be coupled directly to the freewheeling flywheel input
energy and may be overunity. The machine is somehow recombining that the extra energy
acquired from the extra tilting energy back into the motor's rotational energy and outputting it.

I remember that there are mathematical problems associated in this area of analyzing the
operation of gyroscopes and the centripetal angular velocity changes of a spinning mechanism.

I'll bet a LEGO machine expert could rebuild a scale model of this machine using composite carbon
spindles and maybe a couple 3D printed parts.

So the fundamental operation *is* that of a flywheel but with extra gyroscopic provided goodies.

Thanks to Artoj for his excellent "remote viewing" and drawing expertise!

:S:MarkSCoffman


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2014, 05:29:26 PM »
Hi mscoffman,
You have an analysis of how it's working, quite reasonable for this machine. 8)
Thanks

Havuhung

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2014, 05:29:26 PM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2014, 04:33:20 AM »
Check these out.
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/stills/gravity-power

Wow, those stills are something else.  I can't really tell what is happening there except that this fellow, who obviously was a skilled machinist, created something that he thought was valuable.  Since he probably had a lot of knowledge on how machines work, my guess is that he might have really found some anomaly here.  Hopefully, we can find out more about this.

Has anyone searched the death records for next of kin yet?


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2014, 04:44:23 AM »
Hi CuriousChris,
Perhaps more research should be the reason why: a machine designed to have multiple axis motion tilt swivel so complex!  Well, just the usual flywheel shaft with two bearings pillow firmly fastened on the chassis and mechanical connection to the electric motor is finished!. . much more easily and neatly. . .  ;D

Yeah Yeah I know. That's why I called it an ugly flywheel. Sheesh didnt you read that part.

Engineers must have never experimented with rotating forces operating on different axis. That's why they never discovered this before.

Anyway I am more excited about my mouse powered world saving device. it leaves this silly complex thing in the dust.

Ok gotta get back to designing the wheel. it has to be carefully fitted to the mouse or it may not work.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Offline CuriousChris

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2014, 04:51:18 AM »
Hi mscoffman,
You have an analysis of how it's working, quite reasonable for this machine. 8)
Thanks

Havuhung

Aww havahung you are soo unkind.

I said it was a flywheel first and you told me I was wrong now you are saying Coffman is right because he added arms (presumably legs too as they have the skates on them)

I think my ugly flywheel accounts for skaters who aren't very pretty girls (or are blokes because I am not that way but its ok to be that way)

May the Force be with you.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #53 on: May 25, 2014, 05:24:33 AM »
Hi CuriousChris,
My point here is not to criticize anything about what you say. Just explain that you are not really clear to me that what is the beauty of the bad machine. I only care about the true effectiveness of this machine brings! . .

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #54 on: May 25, 2014, 02:05:09 PM »
Hi All,
I have a comment about the effective capacity of the machine is achieved: four swinging bar at the top of the machine, see that we achieve efficient way of working (lever)! Combination of the second floor with four dumbbells and rotate the bottom with four rather large cylinder axis tilt, swivel all created powerful forces provide more power output than the input.

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Offline mscoffman

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #55 on: May 25, 2014, 08:02:05 PM »
I may be wrong but the item in the last previous post of Artoj is probably the
*output* power transmission mechanism as well as the stated input! See you want
to give the (virtual) gyrorotors a time to "evolve" their mechanical state while
freewheeling, only later to couple out the power generated after interacting with
the universe (which is what a gyroscope does) before outputting the extra power
and repeating the whole process sequence again. The input power from the motor
probably rotates the offset bar right at the very bottom which uses the drive chain
to force the bottom rotor to spin synchronously while it nutates. Note the conical
cable wires are there to help stiffen the bottom spindle reference shafts. This is so
a flexation of the upper spindle shafts feed power into the machine too. The four
upper spindle shafts come to central "point" at the very top of the machine where
the power transmission exits. Usually those factories fed the mechanical power
from above to client machines on the floor.

Someone wishing to work on a machine like this should probably have access to 3d
design software and a simulator.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2014, 08:43:47 AM »
I still haven't worked why its called gravity power. I think the inventor (obviously a genius amongst geniuses) is using a little diversion there.

I am still working on it and am sure I will crack it very soon.

mscoffman:

Your words are very thought provoking.

Allah be with you


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2014, 09:50:34 AM »

I may be wrong but I think that this design is similar to jhon device http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-KVo4lxHgE
I thought that did not have the torque that jhon says

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2014, 12:37:55 PM »
Great find alfilmx, this is exactly the principle of Skinners device.



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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2014, 05:43:21 PM »
Hi Hartiberlin,

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Can you use a gum ribbon on the black wheel to drive another small generator ??

I built a very quick model(pic) but I need to tear it apart and make it much bigger so I can get a larger weight and longer arm on it. The top is the drive motor it just pushes the shaft around with a bar, the shaft is allowed to turn freely as the axis shifts and the falling weight adds the torque. Which is transmitted through a universal joint to the (dc motor as)generator below which is hooked to a LED. I do notice some interesting effects with it but it's not at the point where I can make any definite conclusion whether pro or con.

Hi Arto,

Really nice drawings.

Hi MSCoffman,

I think you are right on the point of two gyroscopes. If we look at Skinners machine just as motion it is similar to a mechanized Larmor precession. It could be simplified to a one way pendulum by placing a spherical joint in the center as a pivot and having a offset magnetic weight driven on the top portion while the bottom acts a counterweight. It would be like a one way orbital lever, to take power off we would surround it with coils but Lenz law would introduce nutation to the orbit(Keplers law of areas). Through conservation of angular momentum it would force the lever back inward giving it a slingshot effect from the offset weight (spiral path) which may aid in output as it reaches the next coil. The challenge is driving the offset weight with a balanced system otherwise the orbit will be elliptical and the spherical bearings would suffer mechanical fatigue.

Another idea that came to mind while building the Lego model was finding a way to simplify the idea and remove a lot of the mechanical structure. The thought of building a plate with a shaft through it then just pulsing the coils in sequence to shift the axis. I attached a picture that shows the idea better.

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