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Author Topic: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner  (Read 22636 times)

Offline Jeg

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Hey guys
I find it very interesting and a very educative OU patent. Switches A,B,C open and close through the motor shaft, which can be replaced by mosfets. When A is closed, B,C are open and the opposite. Benitez has a very nice description of how it works in the patent PDF. A brief explanation would be like this:

We charge C1 externally from a battery or a wimshurst generator while B,C are closed. Then B,C are open and A closes. When A closes, after producing some hf oscillations, capacitor C9 is charging through the ground. Then B,C close again and C1 charges from C9 and the cycle continues for ever.

I will start with a question to let it roll. How cap 9 charges from the ground at an open circuit? I have tried in the past to charge a cap being grounded, but if the circuit is open the cap just don't charge. Do you think that with very high voltage something happens there? Is it possible for the cap to charge from a rectified secondary in an open circuit if its very HV??? 


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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2014, 08:31:37 AM »
Ignore my question as I just confirmed this with a simple setup experiment. Yes! Capacitor can be charged with hv in an open circuit. I have seen this again from a Don Smith's demonstration but I had forgot it. Any comments on the drawing?

Ps. Look the direction of the diodes from secondary 4 charging cap5. Isn't it completely unconventional? Great info though from which someone can understand that no matter the direction, one side always give voltage and the other current as per Don's theory.!

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2014, 09:38:42 PM »
It appears most of the diodes in this setup are arranged as Avramenko plugs.    Interesting setup.   I can see potential in a number of ways with it.   

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2014, 09:56:32 PM »
@Jeg:

I can not find the patent.

From which country is it? Is it an application number or a patent number? May be you have a link to the PDF-file.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2014, 10:52:52 PM »
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf
is the patent. Note there are 2 variations indicated by the dotted line.
The dotted line version is simpler.

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2014, 09:10:15 AM »
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf
is the patent. Note there are 2 variations indicated by the dotted line.
The dotted line version is simpler.

Thank you, I found the patent which is an old British patent from 1914.

Unfortunately there are no capacitor values and no transformer ratios disclosed in the patent.

To fire the spark gap a very high Voltage has to be fed into the system. May be it was a way to use the high Voltage from an electrostatic machine to turn a motor.

There are no good ways to step down the high Voltage from an electrostatic machine, e.g. to charge a battery.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2014, 09:56:53 AM »
Found this from 1915 but no drawings in the cached version.  :( Sounds like a Tesla switch kind of arrangement in a way.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191514311A.pdf

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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2014, 12:27:14 PM »
I attach the patent in case someone does not find it.

Greetings, Conrad

Offline Jeg

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2014, 12:57:46 PM »
Thanks for the links guys! :)
Few things to mention..

1. The way for more earth currents extraction, by the use of transformers (see 70, 71). The Secondary makes quicker the capacitor charging.

2. During operation as Benitez describes, C9 collects more charges than C1 needs for, so there is a continues amplification cycle by cycle

3. The way of powering the load (10). In a conventional thinking, the primary is a shortcut but it is not. As Tesla showed clearly, there is a potential difference between both sides of the primary because radiant energy moves so quickly after each discharge that even on the same cable there is a difference between two close points. And here someone can understand that by adjusting this distance we have a potential control!

Doted lines show an extra stage if someone wants more current at the load

Resonance is important between the different stages. For example, secondary 71 combined with the capacity of the diodes has to form a resonant freq equal to that of C9 and 70.

Please express your opinions technical or not, so to gather everything it needs for a successful replication.

Tnks Jeg

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2014, 06:14:31 AM »
Hi Jeg
I am still working on a section that is full of Carlos Benitez's work, here is a draft of one of my diagrams that relate to the patent you are working on. I hope this helps, regards Arto.
 

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2014, 06:26:21 AM »
Sorry I think the pic is little big.


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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2014, 12:14:54 PM »
Sorry I think the pic is little big.

Nice pic. Artoj..
Have you ever experiment on this?

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2014, 01:36:27 PM »
Hi Jeg,
I have been designing and working with unusual generator designs for about 30 years, I have put together similar systems. The best way to understand something is to prepare the ground for a possible build, this is my way of figuring if it has merit and what it's features are. I am an Artist and this is the way I work with unknown and unusual design and concepts, I keep working until the base principals of the design are understood. What I have in my drawing is stage 1, understanding all its elements and the beginning of the process of replication. This might go somewhere, I let my instincts lead me. I am highly interested in using commutation, as I have elucidated  with some of Tesla's work and my own elaborations. I like the idea of building without semi-conductors and such. I hope you can gain some insight from my work, I can see you have already broken down the basic schematic and figured out the circuit. Good luck with your work , Regards Arto.


Offline Jeg

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2014, 02:29:18 PM »
I am highly interested in using commutation, as I have elucidated  with some of Tesla's work and my own elaborations.

I have designed several ways to substitute commutation but at the end nothing is better than Tesla's way in terms of abrupt discharges.
I am on the way now to substitute diodes with spark gaps of one way passage, using different metals and magnets.
Anyway, i do it for fun and i enjoy it! Good lack with your work also! :)

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Re: Carlos Benitez patent No.17811 circuit drawing self runner
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