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Author Topic: Lasersaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?  (Read 202399 times)

Offline hoptoad

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Lasersaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« on: May 01, 2014, 08:54:40 AM »
I'm probably behind the times posting this, but I think lasersaber
has really stumbled upon the king of thieves, with this little circuit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk35CpCFg1w

Cheers
« Last Edit: May 18, 2014, 03:25:49 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2014, 11:55:11 AM »
Neat!

Pretty soon he'll be outperforming Solar Garden Lights!

Just kidding. LaserSaber always does good stuff and is a good experimenter as well as a good technician. (They involve different skill sets, he has them both).

It's not possible, given the information and the layout in the video, to rule out "electrosmog", that is, the ambient EM environment, as the source of power for this delicate little oscillator circuit.
He mentioned a FWB. I would suggest, if the circuit uses a COTS FWB, that LaserSaber make up his own out of germanium diodes 1n34 or 1n60 and see if that changes performance at all.

Also..... a good illustration of the First Rule of OU Research: If you have a circuit that 'works' do NOT take it apart! For any reason! Build another one and take _that one_ apart if you must.

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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2014, 12:13:54 PM »
Thanks for the kind words guys.  I was able to rebuild a transformer that works almost as well as the previous one.  Now I need to test and see if the copper foil is necessary, find the best winding ratios and do other tests.  But first I am going to take a break because I am completely frazzled.


New video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dq9NQhzdw0



New schematic, 3D .stl bobbin and parts links here: http://laserhacker.com/?p=401




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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 12:13:58 PM »
I wanted to replicate the circuit, but not all information is available:

In the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk35CpCFg1w Lasersaber seems to say that he does not use the DC-DC converter any more. He uses a third winding on the pot core for power feedback to the drive capacitor.

I am sure Lasersabe will publish all details soon on his website.

One has to try the circuit without the coper foil (but the same wire and turns for the transformer) to see what the copper foil does. Probably nothing.

Sorry, I jsut saw that Lasersaber posted the new circuit http://laserhacker.com/?p=401

Great!

Greetings, Conrad


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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 12:14:24 PM »
Hi hoptoad,

sorry for off-topic but what happened to your site http://www.totallyamped.net/adams  where you showed the very useful Adams motor experiments?  That site has been down since last July or so and even the wayback machine cannot show the content of the pages...   Perhaps somebody can offer a free site to store all those pages if you have them saved?

Greetings
Gyula

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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2014, 12:19:07 PM »
Quote
In the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk35CpCFg1w Lasersaber seems to say that he does not use the DC-DC converter any more. He uses a third winding on the pot core for power feedback to the drive capacitor.


I am sure Lasersabe will publish all details soon on his website.


That is the old video and link.  See my post above for the new design.

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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2014, 01:40:56 PM »
Thanks for the kind words guys.  I was able to rebuild a transformer that works almost as well as the previous one.  Now I need to test and see if the copper foil is necessary, find the best winding ratios and do other tests.  But first I am going to take a break because I am completely frazzled.


New video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dq9NQhzdw0



New schematic, 3D .stl bobbin and parts links here: http://laserhacker.com/?p=401

You are doing great work, thanks for sharing and reporting. I'm going to build one too as soon as I get de-frazzled myself!

I am wondering if you have any kind of Faraday cage available. I made a serviceable one out of some heavy copper mesh and a big aluminum restaurant tray thing that effectively blocks my high-powered wireless power transmitters, and I have also seen people use metal garbage cans with tight lids. You can see where I am going with this I'm sure.


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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2014, 07:40:31 PM »
Tinselkoala,

Quote,

I'm going to build one too as soon as I get de-frazzled myself
 
Time to crawl back into your coffin of Earth, huh!

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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2014, 09:57:49 PM »
Tinselkoala,

Quote,

I'm going to build one too as soon as I get de-frazzled myself
 
Time to crawl back into your coffin of Earth, huh!
Blood.... I need fresh bloooodddd.......
Velcome to my laboratory......
 8)

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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2014, 01:52:29 AM »
Very well done Lasersaber !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dq9NQhzdw0

You are just using a 10.000 uF cap charged up to 12 Volt.

Be sure to comapre the run times also without the scope, cause I had seen
in my old scope some charging up of capacitors with special circuits... but you said,
you tried it also in your car during driving to work...

Well would be very good, if you could make another video and show us the waveforms
on the different connection points of this circuit.

Also you could try, if substituting the copper foils with just a capacitor between the coils
will also do the same function, or is the copper foils have really a better effect....

I have redrawn your diagram to a normal circuit diagram and it is very unconventional...
You are using the bridge rectifier really in a strange way and how you  drive the basis with it...
Did you find it by pure chance or while doing an error ??

 I will post this tommorow, cause I am tired right now..if nobody else has already done it..

Great unique design..
I wonder how good this can be scaled up to get a 6 Watts LED lamp lighting fully bright
with bigger ferrite transformers.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2014, 04:10:47 AM »
Very well done Lasersaber !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dq9NQhzdw0

You are just using a 10.000 uF cap charged up to 12 Volt.

Be sure to comapre the run times also without the scope, cause I had seen
in my old scope some charging up of capacitors with special circuits... but you said,
you tried it also in your car during driving to work...

Well would be very good, if you could make another video and show us the waveforms
on the different connection points of this circuit.

Also you could try, if substituting the copper foils with just a capacitor between the coils
will also do the same function, or is the copper foils have really a better effect....

I have redrawn your diagram to a normal circuit diagram and it is very unconventional...
You are using the bridge rectifier really in a strange way and how you  drive the basis with it...
Did you find it by pure chance or while doing an error ??

 I will post this tommorow, cause I am tired right now..if nobody else has already done it..

Great unique design..
I wonder how good this can be scaled up to get a 6 Watts LED lamp lighting fully bright
with bigger ferrite transformers.

Regards, Stefan.
It is an interesting circuit.  I am not quite clear on which leads are soldered to the two shields.  I will have to watch him take the coil apart again.  Some more detail in the schematic would be helpful such as what he is using for his FWB, and how he has the LEDs connected.

As LS has tuned it, the circuit manages to dole out very small energy pulses to the LEDs.  My hat is off to his skillful effort.

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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2014, 04:41:58 AM »
Here are Laserhackers drawings.

The rectifier brdige is really genuine connected to this circuit, pretty unlogical,
but wow, it seems to work so good...


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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2014, 05:01:47 AM »
New schematic, 3D .stl bobbin and parts links here: http://laserhacker.com/?p=401

A side question, if I may...

Do you use support rafting when 3d printing? It seems that the top of the bobbin may sag without it.
I am simply curious.

~A

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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2014, 08:09:29 AM »
snip...

It's not possible, given the information and the layout in the video, to rule out "electrosmog", that is, the ambient EM environment, as the source of power for this delicate little oscillator circuit.

snip...

I agree, and I've pointed that out to him on YT. Still, even if it turns out to be an electrosmog harvester, it appears to be a very good one.
Most attempts I've seen at harvesting environmental electrosmog, usually require a long time to build up any significant stored charge and are quickly depleted under load.

Cheers


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Re: Lasesaber strikes again. A joule thief king ?
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2014, 08:27:19 AM »
Hi hoptoad,

sorry for off-topic but what happened to your site http://www.totallyamped.net/adams  where you showed the very useful Adams motor experiments?  That site has been down since last July or so and even the wayback machine cannot show the content of the pages...   Perhaps somebody can offer a free site to store all those pages if you have them saved?

Greetings
Gyula

Hi Gyula, At some stage in the not too distant future (I hope I get the time) I will start up a free hosted site and re post it all there.
The reason the site disappeared is simply because my son chose to go with a whole new service provider for his business. The pages I had previously listed were on spare space on his business site.

I'm not going to rush it though, as there is some information which needs rewording for clarity.

Cheers

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