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Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« on: April 02, 2014, 05:38:25 PM »
Although I have only just joined this forum I have been concerned with OU science for the past 16 years.  Among other things I have researched the Hans Coler devices and being in the UK I have tracked down everything I can find in the UK National Archives about Coler.  Actually Coler appears to be Unruh's assistant and the real inventor was Unruh.  Unruh demonstrated a Stromerzeuger in public in 1920, but after being arrested as a fraudster he seems to have used Coler as his front man.  After Unruh's death Coler continued with the devices but in my opinion he was out of his depth technically which could explain why he was not successful in replicating the devices after the War.  I have copies of the 1920 newspaper articles, copies of all the National Archive material, a copy of the British Intelligence report and Coler's death certificate (he died here in the UK).

I am starting this thread in order to put forward my theories on the Stromerzeuger.  I am 80 years old, having worked in the UK Defence industry all my working life as an electronic engineer and physicist.   I have very limited equipment for doing experiments, so I hope that some readers might take up my ideas and investigate them.  Not surprisingly these are all concerned with conduction electrons within ferromagnets where my searches have led to to some little known effects such as (a) The Magneto-Coulomb Effect, (b) The Inverse-Corbino Effect, (c) The Cylindrical Inverse-Corbino Effect, (d) charge pumping from Larmor precession.  Attention has been paid to these effects ocurring within Coler's iron rods individually, but more recently has come the realization that there could be a collective effect.  Each branch connection between Coler's plates passes through two cores, one each side of the central vertical board, hence there could be some synergetic coupling between these two adjacent cores which makes charge pumping more likely.  This opens up a new approach which seems worth exploring.

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 12:13:28 AM »
Although I have only just joined this forum I have been concerned with OU science for the past 16 years.  Among other things I have researched the Hans Coler devices and being in the UK I have tracked down everything I can find in the UK National Archives about Coler.  Actually Coler appears to be Unruh's assistant and the real inventor was Unruh.  Unruh demonstrated a Stromerzeuger in public in 1920, but after being arrested as a fraudster he seems to have used Coler as his front man.  After Unruh's death Coler continued with the devices but in my opinion he was out of his depth technically which could explain why he was not successful in replicating the devices after the War.  I have copies of the 1920 newspaper articles, copies of all the National Archive material, a copy of the British Intelligence report and Coler's death certificate (he died here in the UK).

I am starting this thread in order to put forward my theories on the Stromerzeuger.  I am 80 years old, having worked in the UK Defence industry all my working life as an electronic engineer and physicist.   I have very limited equipment for doing experiments, so I hope that some readers might take up my ideas and investigate them.  Not surprisingly these are all concerned with conduction electrons within ferromagnets where my searches have led to to some little known effects such as (a) The Magneto-Coulomb Effect, (b) The Inverse-Corbino Effect, (c) The Cylindrical Inverse-Corbino Effect, (d) charge pumping from Larmor precession.  Attention has been paid to these effects ocurring within Coler's iron rods individually, but more recently has come the realization that there could be a collective effect.  Each branch connection between Coler's plates passes through two cores, one each side of the central vertical board, hence there could be some synergetic coupling between these two adjacent cores which makes charge pumping more likely.  This opens up a new approach which seems worth exploring.
Setting aside for the moment that you attribute the device to a fraud, and the device has never been shown to work as claimed, what energy source do you propose to harvest? 

If one is looking for free energy, that usually means getting energy someone else has paid for.  One could always try to work out a resonator with sufficient Q and collecting area to tap the power utility wirelessly in a bit more sophisticated fashion than just looping wires beneath high tension stanchions.  BTW, doing that in the USA will get one into legal trouble.  A number of enterprising farmers and ranchers have learned that lesson the hard way.


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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2014, 10:01:06 AM »
MarkE,

I do not attribute the device to a fraud, the mention of fraud comes from the 1920 newspapers that stated Unruh was jailed.  When it was later examined by Professors Kloss, Franke and Schumann in 1926 they did not believe it to be fraudulent.  I am willing to accept that the device did exhibit the anomalous characteristics seen, and I think it would be useful to understand why it did so.

I take exception to being compared to farmers and ranchers who try to steal power from overhead cables!  It is also clear to me that Unruh/Coler's machine did not steal power in that way, but I agree with you the anomalous energy has to come from somewhere.  One possibility is that it extracted heat from the iron cores but I do not favour that because at the power levels seen by those Professors that is something they would have noticed.

I think a more likely explanation is that power was extracted from the active aether, and that is not just a throw away naive observation.  I have spent my whole working life in the electromagnetic world, with particular emphasis on magnetism.  I have also studied gravitational and aether theories of which many abound.  I can put forward coherent arguments that link electromagnetic effects to the presence of an active aether, so in my mind the possibility that energy can be extracted via electromagnetic means is not scientific fiction.  However I do not intend to bore people with my aether views, I will merely offer the means whereby the particle activity that goes on at atomic levels (driven by the active aether) can create anomalous effects.

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2014, 10:47:27 AM »
MarkE,

I do not attribute the device to a fraud, the mention of fraud comes from the 1920 newspapers that stated Unruh was jailed.  When it was later examined by Professors Kloss, Franke and Schumann in 1926 they did not believe it to be fraudulent.  I am willing to accept that the device did exhibit the anomalous characteristics seen, and I think it would be useful to understand why it did so.

I take exception to being compared to farmers and ranchers who try to steal power from overhead cables!  It is also clear to me that Unruh/Coler's machine did not steal power in that way, but I agree with you the anomalous energy has to come from somewhere.  One possibility is that it extracted heat from the iron cores but I do not favour that because at the power levels seen by those Professors that is something they would have noticed.

I think a more likely explanation is that power was extracted from the active aether, and that is not just a throw away naive observation.  I have spent my whole working life in the electromagnetic world, with particular emphasis on magnetism.  I have also studied gravitational and aether theories of which many abound.  I can put forward coherent arguments that link electromagnetic effects to the presence of an active aether, so in my mind the possibility that energy can be extracted via electromagnetic means is not scientific fiction.  However I do not intend to bore people with my aether views, I will merely offer the means whereby the particle activity that goes on at atomic levels (driven by the active aether) can create anomalous effects.
I know of no reports of anyone, including:  Professors Kloss, Franke and Schumann successfully reproducing a device that ever performed as Coler claimed.

I didn't compare you to those who built DIY transformers on their land.  I specifically used them as an example for all to avoid. 

The Coler assembly has some coils that have parasitic capacitance.  The assembly includes magnets.  Substitute a modern linear ferrites for the magnets and those coils start to look a lot like AM band antennas.  The physical sizes of the components and the wiring is such that nothing interesting can happen above 1GHz.  So if you want to theorize some power source it needs to operate below that frequency.

If you have a favored hypothesis, then state it and falsification experiments can be designed. 



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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2014, 04:36:43 PM »
MarkE,

Maybe you haven't looked at the available data on the Unruh/Coler devices where you will find in the British Intelligence (BIOS) Report translations of the reports written by those professors.  Or maybe you think those reports are fictional.  For my part I am prepared to believe that they did indeed examine and test the Stromerzeuger.  The measurements were DC in and DC out so not likely to be wrong.  There was even a photometric test where the load lamp brightness when fed from the device was compared with an identical lamp fed directly from DC and adjusted to the same brightness.  Admittedly they did not try to replicate the device, they merely examined and measured one using their own instruments.

You may not realize that there are two different devices.  The Magnetstromapparat is the one where there have been numerous attempts at replication simply because the BIOS report gives details of its construction, and that does indeed have coils around magnets.  There is scant evidence that this actually gave out any significant power, merely an anomalous voltage.  And like you I think this could easily be explained by stray EM pick up.

The Stromerzeuger however had no construction details given, but does involve current passing through ferromagnets, not permanent magnets as in the Magnetstromapparat but soft magnets in the form of high-purity iron rods.  It is the Stromerzeuger that was examined and tested by those Professors, although many people wrongly assume it was the other machine.  And the tests did show significant excess power coming from somewhere unknown at a level that couldn't be explained by stray EM.  It has taken a lot of work to track down the actual construction of the Stromerzeuger but it is now thought to be based on the Norrby patent.  It is far too complicated to attempt a replication, what is needed is some simpler experiments exploring the possible scenarios for why it worked.  Or as you put it, falsification experiments.  I will be posting things shortly on that.

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2014, 04:34:16 AM »
MarkE,

Maybe you haven't looked at the available data on the Unruh/Coler devices where you will find in the British Intelligence (BIOS) Report translations of the reports written by those professors.  Or maybe you think those reports are fictional.  For my part I am prepared to believe that they did indeed examine and test the Stromerzeuger.  The measurements were DC in and DC out so not likely to be wrong.  There was even a photometric test where the load lamp brightness when fed from the device was compared with an identical lamp fed directly from DC and adjusted to the same brightness.  Admittedly they did not try to replicate the device, they merely examined and measured one using their own instruments.

You may not realize that there are two different devices.  The Magnetstromapparat is the one where there have been numerous attempts at replication simply because the BIOS report gives details of its construction, and that does indeed have coils around magnets.  There is scant evidence that this actually gave out any significant power, merely an anomalous voltage.  And like you I think this could easily be explained by stray EM pick up.

The Stromerzeuger however had no construction details given, but does involve current passing through ferromagnets, not permanent magnets as in the Magnetstromapparat but soft magnets in the form of high-purity iron rods.  It is the Stromerzeuger that was examined and tested by those Professors, although many people wrongly assume it was the other machine.  And the tests did show significant excess power coming from somewhere unknown at a level that couldn't be explained by stray EM.  It has taken a lot of work to track down the actual construction of the Stromerzeuger but it is now thought to be based on the Norrby patent.  It is far too complicated to attempt a replication, what is needed is some simpler experiments exploring the possible scenarios for why it worked.  Or as you put it, falsification experiments.  I will be posting things shortly on that.
I read the reports.  The results were negative.  Ingot iron has very high permeability, but it also has poor resistance.  That means it is good for low frequency transformers, not even mains frequency transformers.

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2014, 04:15:58 PM »
MarkE,

So you consider a DC input power of 1.54 watts and a DC output power of 10.5 watts as being a negative result?  And a conclusion from W. O. Schumann that reads “After the present examination, carried through as carefully as the limited possibilities of experimentation permitted, I must surmise that we have to face the exploitation of a new source of energy whose further developments can be of an immense importance” is also a negative result?  He also wrote “I do not believe in a deception”.  Professor Kloss wrote “The result of the investigation showed an astonishing working of the apparatus, which, without further researches cannot be explained or compared with hitherto known characteristics”.  This is all negative?

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2014, 11:31:00 PM »
MarkE,

So you consider a DC input power of 1.54 watts and a DC output power of 10.5 watts as being a negative result?  And a conclusion from W. O. Schumann that reads “After the present examination, carried through as carefully as the limited possibilities of experimentation permitted, I must surmise that we have to face the exploitation of a new source of energy whose further developments can be of an immense importance” is also a negative result?  He also wrote “I do not believe in a deception”.  Professor Kloss wrote “The result of the investigation showed an astonishing working of the apparatus, which, without further researches cannot be explained or compared with hitherto known characteristics”.  This is all negative?
AFAIK Schumann was not part of the British investigation.  The fact that decades later neither Schumann nor Kloss, nor anyone else who saw that particular demonstration ever replicated says that their observations were flawed.

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2014, 09:13:11 AM »
Excuse me, did you investigated how ferrite interacts with radio wave ? can you post any links describing details ?

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2014, 09:32:03 AM »
Excuse me, did you investigated how ferrite interacts with radio wave ? can you post any links describing details ?
Nearly every AM radio uses a ferrite core antenna. 

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2014, 09:53:21 AM »
Excuse me, did you investigated how ferrite interacts with radio wave ? can you post any links describing details ?
No, I concentrated on how iron interacts with RF magnetic fields.  Since the fields don't penetrate very far into the iron even at the relatively low frequencies purported to apply (skin effect) any activity is concentrated near the surface.  You'll get the gist when I post the paper that I am in the process of completing. 

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2014, 10:03:05 AM »
AFAIK Schumann was not part of the British investigation.  The fact that decades later neither Schumann nor Kloss, nor anyone else who saw that particular demonstration ever replicated says that their observations were flawed.
Equally it could say that they did not wish to get involved an an area which could jeopardise their careers, so they quietly forgot all about it.  They forbade publication of their reports.  Even today we have Professors who have to think about their careers and have to steer clear of such controversial subjects as overunity.


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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2014, 08:58:24 PM »
Nearly every AM radio uses a ferrite core antenna.


Yes, sure. Does it mean we know everything about the propagation of radio waves inside ferrite ? I'm just curious, don't know where to look some explanations...

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Re: Theories concerning Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2014, 04:09:37 PM »
Here is my paper on the stromerzeuger suggesting that ferromagnetic resonance or electron precession may play its part.  Enjoy!

I have also produced a paper on magnetic motors that will appear elsewhere on this forum.


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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2014, 06:10:48 PM »
Here is another paper that takes a different tack.  If you examine transmission-line theory you will find that if the characteristic impedance of the line is reactive and it is terminated with a reactive load it is possible for the input impedance to have a negative value of resistance.  And negative resistance is an energy source.  My paper looks at the magnetized iron rods as transmission lines and since they are connected to capacitor plates there is the possibility that this could be the means by which some form of self-oscillation takes place.

Enjoy!

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