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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1228509 times)

Offline jbignes5

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2014, 02:02:52 PM »
In this patent no resonant capasitors, so this pattent, I think, is wrong.


 The patent I showed is the basic design. Capacitors could be used to improve the efficiency at the appropriate spots. There is also control circuitry not included in the basic patent.

 With their design the 4 poles would indeed slow the unit down when power is extracted but in the tesla patent that I showed there are no poles per say. In fact Tesla said that the ring generators field cores would act like they had infinite poles. This is accomplished by the many many winds of copper around the ring field core. Each turn of each wind would be considered a pole.

 Another reference to the Tesla method has already been shown by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b3h2cEbHw

 Now this is not the exact method that the patent That I have shown shows. It is in exact opposite and actually a hybrid. Where the magneto (exciter) and generator sections were merged. I don't believe this will work that well because of the fact that the permanent magnets are inside of the generator ring. The magneto needs to be 2 phase. And the generator field coils utilize the 2 phase from the magentos to create a standard Tesla rotating magnetic field within the toroid. The field cores are excited by High voltage which gets transformed in the rotor core's 2 phase generator coils. When this happens a huge magnetic field is created in the Rotor core and loops back to the toroid field cores generating even more high voltage and continues to do so in a loop. You can tap the loop via the rotor generating coils and utilized in the way Tesla has shown in the patent. Once this process is started no additional energy is required to feed this system once it is up to speed. and because the field cores have no real poles there is very little effect on the speed of the rotor as the prime mover rotates the rotor shaft.

 In the case of the above video he has chosen a pulse motor. Thats fine and dandy but the real power of the system should utilize a motor as shown in the Tesla patent. This will allow for a more robust system that can generate much more then what the video shows above.

 Also you must adhere to transformer rules when utilizing Tesla's methods. Keeping the strong magnetic fields in the rotors core allows conservation of the magnetic field to strengthen the effect of this kind of system.

 Tesla also tried to tell us about the direction of the high voltage field and it's relationship to the rotor's direction of turning. Allowing the field coils to travel in the opposite direction of the rotor allows for a better efficiency of the generators section, especially at lower speeds.

 So lets take this one step at a time:

 Magneto (exciter):  -- A magneto is an electrical generator that uses permanent magnets to produce periodic pulses of alternating current.
      This should be a standard High voltage Magneto in a isolated two phase design. This means there is no common ground. Each phase is completely separated.

 Generator: High voltage field coils on a non polled core: Standard Tesla toroidial transformer 4 subsections. Two coils per phase diametrically opposite per pair.
       The rotor should be Two Phase 90 degrees out of phase in winding. So a cross design. The field coils should be energized in opposition to the rotor turning direction (to increase low speed generation).
       The field cores should be able to channel a good amount of the magnetic field producible by the rotors two phase coils. <- This might be  limiting factor of the total power obtainable from the system.
       The rotor coils should be of heavy gauge and the field coils should be of very light gauge.

 Prime mover (motor): This can be made as strong as one needs. The more powerful the Motor the better it can be tapped for useful energy as mechanical output. It must be of the design Tesla notes in his Patent.

 Both Current and mechanical energy can be taken from this system. This is what Tesla was testing in 1932 with the Pierce Arrow experiment. He had Westinghouse build the motor/generator for him but made the control circuitry himself. This was to control the output of the unit and used up to 12 tubes for that purpose.
 Several other Patents Tesla used were the magnetic control valve for the Gas pedal so to speak and various other patents provided by him. All of the other PAtents were done after he refined his ideas. Each one not directly tied to this device but as a subset of patents.

 Again lets refer to the Patent:

 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine  <--Whole system generic layout without control systems
 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,820-alternate-current-regulator  <--Controller for Prime mover (Gas Pedal)
 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-382,282-electric-converting-distributing  <--This is a more detailed description of the transformer in the system patent

 One other note of interest is that the generator section if shorted would act like an AC motor. Direct shorting should not be employed on the generator section as this would fight the prime mover. So control circuitry must be used to keep it from direct shorting the generating Rotor.

 The reason for the belt in the original patent was for mechanical extraction. The more you retard the rotor the more it becomes unsynchronized and the more current it generates per the text. In this mode it is a constant velocity system and an attempt to retard the rotor via mechanical extraction correspondingly increases the generated currents. Although this would be best in mechanical extraction I doubt this is the design that won in Tesla's mind. The option I allude to creates a symbiotic relationship to variable output without the need to retard the rotor since the Prime mover is included on the same shaft and hence generates a constant current. This would mean that when not in use it would generate huge heat values due to current pooling which was a reported issue in Tesla's Roadster test that made him include a sizable fan to keep it from overheating on the shaft as well.

 One curious point is that when Tesla was looking at the impulses and how they affected static metal is that a huge heat value was attained. This is due to current pooling in the static metal. If the current has no where to go it will build to a point of melting the metal in the field and this is where I draw my conclusions about heat related issues in the Roadster experiment. When the current is not extracted it builds and a high value of heat is generated because it can not flow.

 Tesla also elluded that metal wires even though straight had a variable static capacity. The variable part being the elevation above ground level. When that capacity is overshot it will react in various ways that also include explosions of that variable static capacity just like when you overfill a capacitor it will explode with such violence that he likened it to the best dynamite of the day.
 
« Last Edit: March 28, 2014, 05:05:24 PM by jbignes5 »

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2014, 02:42:27 PM »
Yes Vince; I think the rotor is just a flux bridge between field coils on the right and left. The field is oscillating
in resonance which modulates output with the resonant frequency. Note the incredible 25KV Working Voltage
capacitor bank implying a resonant Q of 100. This is what resonance can do to the LC tank voltage in right power
applications. The generator stator core seems to have extra insulation in order to be able to handle this field
voltage. The generator operating in this mode is called a magnetic amplifier. That Stanley guy used an
automobile alternator in the same way by modulating the field coil as part of his hydrogen HHO generator.

Amazingly, I saw a schematic of a standard household generator that was almost exactly the same
as this except that there was no field resonance, it was that simple, AVR automatic voltage regulation
seemed to be implemented by parametric modification. So I think this may be a standard generator
with more insulation on the field and heavy duty resonance on the field.

Nothing in the above implies overunity to me...except the 25KV makes the generator sensitive to incoming
free electrons. I suspect that this is at least part of the overunity being displayed, if any. The belt drive is part
of the static antenna, I think. 25KV is beyond the anode voltage of a BW CRT, but with significant more
power. *HV Caution* is definitely warranted IMHO.

If that Qmogen mechanical theory previously on overunity.com was correct "luging" of the drive motor is critical
which may not happen unless the generator is loaded with a dummy resistive load not shown in the schematic.

----

You will notice that this set up is similar to the generators labeled "prior-art2" and "prior-art3" in the
Ecklin patent but with electromagnet field coils in place of the permanent magnets. The Ecklin generator
main drawing shows a winding on the rotor implying brushes. These other guys are all brush free...OK, I guess.


:S:MarkSCoffman


 
 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2014, 05:19:02 PM »
Yes Vince; I think the rotor is just a flux bridge between field coils on the right and left. The field is oscillating
in resonance which modulates output with the resonant frequency. Note the incredible 25KV Working Voltage
capacitor bank implying a resonant Q of 100. This is what resonance can do to the LC tank voltage in right power
applications. The generator stator core seems to have extra insulation in order to be able to handle this field
voltage. The generator operating in this mode is called a magnetic amplifier. That Stanley guy used an
automobile alternator in the same way by modulating the field coil as part of his hydrogen HHO generator.

Amazingly, I saw a schematic of a standard household generator that was almost exactly the same
as this except that there was no field resonance, it was that simple, AVR automatic voltage regulation
seemed to be implemented by parametric modification. So I think this may be a standard generator
with more insulation on the field and heavy duty resonance on the field.

Nothing in the above implies overunity to me...except the 25KV makes the generator sensitive to incoming
free electrons. I suspect that this is at least part of the overunity being displayed, if any. The belt drive is part
of the static antenna, I think. 25KV is beyond the anode voltage of a BW CRT, but with significant more
power. *HV Caution* is definitely warranted IMHO.

If that Qmogen mechanical theory previously on overunity.com was correct "luging" of the drive motor is critical
which may not happen unless the generator is loaded with a dummy resistive load not shown in the schematic.

----

You will notice that this set up is similar to the generators labeled "prior-art2" and "prior-art3" in the
Ecklin patent but with electromagnet field coils in place of the permanent magnets. The Ecklin generator
main drawing shows a winding on the rotor implying brushes. These other guys are all brush free...OK, I guess.


:S:MarkSCoffman


 
 


 The reason for the slip rings in the patent I have shown is that the induction in the rotating transformer(generator) is already being used. Any attempt to use induction to make it brushless will kill the loop we are employing to generate any extra current we see from the loop. Unfortunately slip rings are the only way to extract anything useful from this process. If you wrap the field coils with extraction coils it will destroy the loop and a normal transformer action will ensue. Any extraction must be done at the rotor coils in order to increase the loop strength. The more current pulled out of the rotor coils will increase the magnetic coupling of the field coils and the rotor and this will increase the output.


 Alot of this is strictly theory at this point. But when I restart my efforts to build it, it will become proof.


 Some work has been done as the videos show but again traditional applications with slight modifications are what we are seeing. We need to go back to the original setup and start testing this in order to realign ourselves with the designers aims. What we have seen commercialized from these patents is only what they could break and make it so we have to sustain the generation by replacing the loop with fuel consumption. This was a bastardization of the original idea to get them what they wanted (an income stream) and "They", well we all know who "They" are.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2014, 08:27:51 PM »
Stefan, the rectifier is mentioned in the description text. Variac->Rectifier->DC motor
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The output of the variac is connected to a 600 volt, 25 Amp full-wave bridge rectifier to power the variable speed DC drive motor.
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getting the right capacitors is the first problem (expensive)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2014, 03:54:10 AM »
From PESN regarding the Quantum Energy Generator:

"[8:00:18 PM] Hope Moore: Yes we have a working prototype.

[8:01:02 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Thx for writing. I'll add that to the page. Can you tell me what the longest it's run for?

[8:01:06 PM | Edited 8:01:27 PM] Hope Moore: We just finished it and gave away the plans to the whole world for free. Any engineer can build one.

[8:01:48 PM] Sterling D. Allan: I was impressed with the detail in the plans, though I've not had time to digest it closely.

[8:03:52 PM] Hope Moore: The important thing to understand here is that we got it to produce raw power. And we did it in 5 months. It is now open sourced so anyone will be able to make improvements and humanity will co develop it together.

[8:05:33 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Do you know of anyone who has been able to replicate it per the plans yet? (I know you just posted them publicly, but perhaps you had earlier drafts available privately before.)

[8:07:37 PM] Hope Moore: No. We kept everything confidential until we open sourced a few days ago. We suspect that in about 3 months time QEGs will start popping up everywhere. We are now here in Taiwan in a factory with 30 students teaching them to build QEGs. In two weeks we will be in Morocco doing the same thing.

[8:08:41 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Way to go. Wishing you the best. This news certainly has created a lot of hopeful buzz.

[8:10:18 PM] Hope Moore: Our main concern is getting a simple practical free energy design into the hands of the people. So at the moment we are not focusing our energy on "proving it works". We know it works. We are focusing our energy on teaching others and giving them back the power to build these. Because of this grassroots effort, it will be unstoppable.

[8:14:10 PM] Hope Moore: We are a small family and organization with very little resources, so we do the best we can and all the attention (especially the death threats) have made me protective of my family."

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2014, 07:21:47 AM »
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[8:01:02 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Thx for writing. I'll add that to the page. Can you tell me what the longest it's run for?

[8:01:06 PM | Edited 8:01:27 PM] Hope Moore: We just finished it and gave away the plans to the whole world for free. Any engineer can build one.

Yes.... but why didn't you answer Sterling's question, there, WhateverGirl?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2014, 08:26:50 PM »
Anything I say here on this is only my guess,  reading her video expressions I would say she is not being 100% up front and that a working model does not exist.  Of course we have all hear the hype before and in the end nothing, nada, excuses only followed.  If they had or have an working model where is the video of it with measurements?   Certainly if anyone with pride in what work they have done would make a video,  get witnesses and proofs coming out their ears.   Evasive is not conviction so my opinion is that we need to verify this device and/or her claims to teaching groups in other countries.  Why did she not begin here where language would have been much easier to communicate with being now needing translation?  There are many USA based enthusiasts groups she could have chosen from who would have jumped at the chance to proven and learn this technology.   If I was a betting man,  I would not bet on these emperor's new clothes until I could see them.  My bet is she is either right here is the USA and NOT traveling or on other business  (doubtful).  But of course I have been incorrect at least once in my life (LOL).  Anyone who can update any information on this topic, please share as often as possible new news.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2014, 10:15:39 PM »
QEG Updates:

Hopegirl has updated her blog with more QEG info and backstory:

http://wp.me/p2Gy1r-FT

Also, link to a new QEG Info & Forum website. Can't tell if it's independent or FTW-sponsored, but it is exploding with building info and forum posts:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/

Link to (short) video clip of one Taiwan training session; James Robitaille is present:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Q2i9Ir5vI

Clip of a new QEG core arriving at Taiwan facility; HopeGirl and James Robitaille are present:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=napK2OYrXZs


APOLOGIES if any of this info is already linked elsewhere.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2014, 10:40:49 PM »
Where is the video of it running itself, providing excess output energy to run other things too? Where's the video of the working independent replication?

These videos here are just more chum for the waters. Don't be a fish.



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2014, 04:37:50 AM »
I also want to see a running prototype.
But if it is a scam it is a very expensive scam.
I have contated Polaris Laser Lamination for a quote for the rotor and stator and the price is :
1 unit = 1314$
20 units = 948$ / units
After that you have to add magnet wire and finish the generator and add 12 big capacitor dc motor and control, etc.
I estimate the cost of 1 unit at least 5000$ - 7000$
In the video we see 1 stator with the winding + 1 other stator...it is a lot of money for a scam....don't know....want to see more.
 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2014, 09:36:41 AM »
Who can answer, there is permanent magnets in this divice?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2014, 09:47:47 AM »



Here is the prototype.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0


No permanent magnets.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2014, 09:53:37 AM »


Here is the prototype.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0


No permanent magnets.
Yes, seems exatly, like they divice.  :D

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2014, 10:42:07 AM »
http://vimeo.com/90859389 at 55 minutes can look...  ;)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2014, 11:51:58 AM »
Don't you wonder why he doesn't just take you outside and show you the 20 kW version that has been running his house and workshop for the last 20 years?

This is just more chum for the waters. Don't be a fish.

Think about what you are being shown, what is being claimed, and what the consequences would be if what Thrapp shows and claims is true.

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