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Title: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 06, 2014, 06:29:06 PM
Dear All.

Well someone had to do it !! So here you are.

I have recently had the second amended schematic turned into a PCB format. This work was very generously done by one of our members Groundloop.

I am placing the folder here for any of you that might like to take a stab at the photo etching yourselves.

Please find attached the schematic that was used for the conversion.

So what are we waiting for ??

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 06, 2014, 06:43:58 PM
Moving on.

This firm can supply all kinds of Ferrite products.

http://powermagnetics.co.uk/calculator

From this very handy inductance calculator you can move to the shop and view the products that are available.

Today I received   ETD49-CF139  TIMES 2   And 1  by    ETD49-90794-20P.  All under £10.00 inc shipping !! Probably dearer for other countries!!
I decided to go with a gapless core as it is easier to make a gap than fill one !! See attached photo.

eBay may also be another source for these items ??

All that is needed now is a little luck and a few Pounds, Dollars, Yen, Euros !! You get the picture ??  :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: leonirz on March 06, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
Good!

But if anyone can replicate this simpler version: [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw ] , it will be a great revolution here in this forum overunity.com.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 06, 2014, 06:58:23 PM
Good!

But if anyone can replicate this simpler version: [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw ] , it will be a great revolution here in this forum overunity.com.

Dear leonirz.

I wholeheartedly agree, but so little is known about the coil configuration with this one!! At least the transformer for the 30 W version is fairly conventional !!?? But even this may have a special way of winding. Remember the GeoFusion transformer with it's little air gaps ?? I got some strange results by just having a winding placed across the gap !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: itsu on March 06, 2014, 07:13:56 PM
Good!

But if anyone can replicate this simpler version: [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw ] , it will be a great revolution here in this forum overunity.com.

Leonirz,

i tried, but it won't oscillate, not with the parts i used and the big unknown of the make up of the coils, see here:

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2227.msg36309#msg36309

I contacted Akula,  but never got a response, so its a dead end.

Regards itsu

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 06, 2014, 07:18:58 PM
Grum



This device as quite complicated. It is boost converter 12V to 15V with two comparators watching input voltage ! and the voltage drop after load ! Without proper method of adjustment will be very hard to make it self-running EVEN with correct schematic."We need an electronic guru to check if I'm right but I feel I'm very close. I need more time to build device but I'm very entusiastic because circuit with xname41 modifications looks very legit for me. Hopefully there is not much variations to check ![/font][/size]
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 06, 2014, 07:37:51 PM
Grum



This device as quite complicated. It is boost converter 12V to 15V with two comparators watching input voltage ! and the voltage drop after load ! Without proper method of adjustment will be very hard to make it self-running EVEN with correct schematic."We need an electronic guru to check if I'm right but I feel I'm very close. I need more time to build device but I'm very entusiastic because circuit with xname41 modifications looks very legit for me. Hopefully there is not much variations to check ![/font][/size]

Dear Itsu and forest.

Great to have you Guys on board !! Your input will be greatly appreciated !!

I have attached a rather fuzzy close up of the transformer. But to me there does not seem to be the turns that are stated on the schematic ??

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 06, 2014, 08:08:34 PM
Dear Itsu and forest.

Great to have you Guys on board !! Your input will be greatly appreciated !!

I have attached a rather fuzzy close up of the transformer. But to me there does not seem to be the turns that are stated on the schematic ??

Cheers Grum.


The red arrows are going in the wrong direction.  You have to look at the wire that is applied first not the wire at the end/top of the coil windings.
It may not matter as long as you wind them in opposite directions from each other.

Is the core with gap (add spacer) or no gap?

Size of core: Width?  Length?
Size/gauge of wire? 
Number of turns?

Let's at least all start with similar sizes.

DonL
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 06, 2014, 08:20:26 PM

The red arrows are going in the wrong direction.  You have to look at the wire that is applied first not the wire at the end/top of the coil windings.
It may not matter as long as you wind them in opposite directions from each other.

Is the core with gap (add spacer) or no gap?

Size of core: Width?  Length?
Size/gauge of wire? 
Number of turns?

Let's at least all start with similar sizes.

DonL

Dear Don.

Welcome.

I borrowed the picture from the main Kapanadze thread !! The arrows were already there.

I have bought these cores.          Ferrite ETD core (ungapped).

Manufacturer: Cosmo Ferrites.

Material Grade CF139 (Equivalent to Cosmo CF138, Ferroxcube 3C90 and TDK PC44).

Price is for  a half core - (I.e. you will need to order 2 pieces to form a pair)

Dimensions:

Length: 48.5mm

Width: 16.7mm

Height: 24.9mm

Wt: 58g

Magnetic Characteristics:

uiac = 2100

AL Value = 4100

(+ 30% / -20%)

I hope this helps ??

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 06, 2014, 08:20:27 PM
Number of turns in original schematic was marked as 15 primary and 45 secondary using 0.75 mm wire diameter. Also there is shield of 1 turn not closed copper mentioned. The most important part is the comment from Akula on Russian forum before time when others ridiculed and irritated him. He said Melnichenko is the key and the good inside look of how electrons can be moved in circuit. It confirms my feeling that electrons are not the source of electric current, but that's too much guessing for now. For me the schematic part which uses both comparators inside tl494 chip is a strong tip for reliability of method. Somehow Akula expect voltage rise on input capacitor C11 and need comparator to limit that value to the safe operating condition. The second case is watching voltage drop across load in this case probably it continously check for zero voltage difference between ground and the point just after bank of diodes. If each diode drop 3V then it has merit,hmm.... I really like to see more experienced electronic gurus to validate that.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 06, 2014, 09:55:11 PM
Number of turns in original schematic was marked as 15 primary and 45 secondary using 0.75 mm wire diameter. Also there is shield of 1 turn not closed copper mentioned. The most important part is the comment from Akula on Russian forum before time when others ridiculed and irritated him. He said Melnichenko is the key and the good inside look of how electrons can be moved in circuit. It confirms my feeling that electrons are not the source of electric current, but that's too much guessing for now. For me the schematic part which uses both comparators inside tl494 chip is a strong tip for reliability of method. Somehow Akula expect voltage rise on input capacitor C11 and need comparator to limit that value to the safe operating condition. The second case is watching voltage drop across load in this case probably it continously check for zero voltage difference between ground and the point just after bank of diodes. If each diode drop 3V then it has merit,hmm.... I really like to see more experienced electronic gurus to validate that.

I am going to cross-link my post - http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg36665#msg36665 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg36665#msg36665)

Also I do not see any benefit of comparators/etc as there is only single coil driving transistor with NO feedback to the chip. The return path you see in circuit is only logic switch then capacitor c5 is charged and doing nothing after when ciruit is running as 10 microF capacity is way high value for high frequency circuit.
The secondary L2 coil is attached to the plus side of circuit and is being voltage stabilised to 12V with filtered high frequency as well.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: totoalas on March 06, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
I saw in the video there was a gap in the core .....right side only???? 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 07, 2014, 04:39:51 AM
Can someone who is Russian speaking inform Akula about this thread in his  honour?
If he wants to contribute in Russian it is fine.
We respect him here.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: havuhung on March 07, 2014, 05:50:22 AM
Hi All,
One weird thing with him is Akula0083: Questions about the technical issues related to the circuit diagram upload his, he will not answer, he can only for the purpose of performing his device, which has no intention to support people replicate it! . . :(
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Marsing on March 07, 2014, 05:04:11 PM

Hi all

what is this mean ?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: gyulasun on March 07, 2014, 05:14:47 PM
Hi all

what is this mean ?

Hi,

I think It must be a rectangular metal plate positioned to a certain, a few cm distance from coil L2. I believe there is a capacitive coupling between this plate and the coil, often the angle of this plate is varied with respect to the axis of the coil to get some "tuning" effect and also change EM coupling between the plate and the coil, and often this plate performs energy output taken from the EM field around the coil (most often the coil is a HV coil).  I know that this "plate" in this schematic goes to the negative ground, so in this case no energy output is taken from it.
 I have seen such plates positioned near to Tesla coils in some Russian youtube videos.

Gyula
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 07, 2014, 06:32:07 PM
Hi all

what is this mean ?
It is a one turn plate surrounding the transformer. It has a gap in it like a 9/10 turn.
It's purpose is to introduce the Tesla's radiant energy receiver into the circuit.
It is an electrostatic device and follows the rules of electrostatic induction.
It is therefore not subject to the laws of electromagnetic induction which is always cop <1.
It is subject to the laws of electrostatic induction which is cop = 2 minus system losses.
The naysayers should learn their physics.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 07, 2014, 07:50:48 PM
A simplified king-grumage schematic is enclosed so you can see what is going on.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 07, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
Hi all

what is this mean ?
One turn of tape of cuper, not closed turn. Standart ecran turn.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 07, 2014, 08:20:42 PM
A simplified king-grumage schematic is enclosed so you can see what is going on.
I remove not important, not needed parts in this circuit.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 07, 2014, 08:31:52 PM
Dear MenofFather.

Welcome !!  :)

I have rather hurriedly created an image of what I think T-1000 was writing about yesterday as regards the transformer winding.

Comments ??

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 07, 2014, 08:37:41 PM
Dear all.

Just as a "by the way".  See what happens when you put a coil across a split in a transformer core !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPV89JWVdtY

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 07, 2014, 08:53:13 PM
Dear MenofFather.

Welcome !!  :)

I have rather hurriedly created an image of what I think T-1000 was writing about yesterday as regards the transformer winding.

Comments ??

Cheers Grum.
Image maybe corect, but I think possible standart wound, but who knowhs...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: elementSix on March 07, 2014, 09:05:28 PM
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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: elementSix on March 07, 2014, 09:06:13 PM
I am not the best with circuits, So can some one tell me what these are on the circuit.  The Red Arrows of course.
Also where can I buy just a few of the TL494IN's??  USA   

  Thanks ahead of time for your help..
                                       E6

PS..  It seems that all he did to make the core for the L1 was to cut or break the ends off of the E cores he shows in the pics below..
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Groundloop on March 07, 2014, 09:35:52 PM
I am not the best with circuits, So can some one tell me what these are on the circuit.  The Red Arrows of course.
Also where can I buy just a few of the TL494IN's??  USA   

  Thanks ahead of time for your help..
                                       E6

PS..  It seems that all he did to make the core for the L1 was to cut or break the ends off of the E cores he shows in the pics below..

1 = LM7812 Voltage regulator, input (to the right in drawing) up to approx. 35 Volt, output (to the left in drawing) 12 Volt, max. 1 Amp.
2 = 0,22 Ohm 2 Watt resistor.
3 = 1 Ohm 2 Watt resistor.
4 = 1 Ohm 1 Watt resistor.
5 = 7 Ohm 1 Watt resistor.

GL.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 07, 2014, 09:43:53 PM
1 = LM7812 Voltage regulator, input (to the right in drawing) up to approx. 35 Volt, output (to the left in drawing) 12 Volt, max. 1 Amp.
2 = 0,22 Ohm 2 Watt resistor.
3 = 1 Ohm 2 Watt resistor.
4 = 1 Ohm 1 Watt resistor.
5 = 7 Ohm 1 Watt resistor.

GL.

Dear Groundloop.

Many thanks!! I was just about to post, and a refresh showed that you had already done it !! What is interesting is that those components have been marked for some reason ??  ???

ElementSix, welcome !!  :).   I think the cores are just a standard type, see here,  http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391353/#msg391353

Good luck, Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 07, 2014, 10:03:41 PM
Dear Groundloop.

Many thanks!! I was just about to post, and a refresh showed that you had already done it !! What is interesting is that those components have been marked for some reason ??  ???

ElementSix, welcome !!  :) .   I think the cores are just a standard type, see here,  http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391353/#msg391353 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391353/#msg391353)

Good luck, Cheers Grum.
From what I can see the markings correspond to the Watts of each resistor.
1 mark = 1 Watt
2 marks = 2 Watts.


DonL



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 07, 2014, 10:42:45 PM
From what I can see the markings correspond to the Watts of each resistor.
1 mark = 1 Watt
2 marks = 2 Watts.


DonL

Dear Don.

Yes I see !! I had not thought of that !! Good observation, together we will crack this !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 07, 2014, 10:46:33 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-IC-TL494IN-TL494-NEW-/300583653092 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-IC-TL494IN-TL494-NEW-/300583653092)

I don't know why you want the IN version though. Why not use the CN version?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-x-TL494CN-TL494-PWM-Power-Supply-Controllers-IC-TEXAS-/320650810136 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-x-TL494CN-TL494-PWM-Power-Supply-Controllers-IC-TEXAS-/320650810136)

I've ordered parts from the latter vendor several times and I am completely happy. Free shipping and from Colorado, he's an outlet for the Chinese factories. Usually takes four or five days for the order to arrive here in TX.

ETA: This latter vendor also has a very good price for the IRF3205 mosfets, the 7812 VR, etc. Check him out.

The 494 in its various versions has been used to clock TCs for many years. It is the oscillator at the heart of my TinselKoil 2, for example, a SSTC of the kiloWatt class.

ETA: Here's the data sheet. Can you spot the difference between the IN and CN versions? There is one.....

http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tl494.pdf (http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tl494.pdf)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: mscoffman on March 07, 2014, 11:23:35 PM

Operating Temperature range minimum at end of data sheet.
C  -      0 degree C
I   -   -40 degree C

---

Digikey has these. I tend to think these are fairly old design.

Use TI:
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=TL494IN

---

On the circuit I think LED array is the free electron receiver antenna.
You need to try to have exact components for everything of the schematic to the right of toroid L1
inductor.  This toroid separates RF environment of the control on left from power RF on the right.
What I would do is inject some small fake free electrons from a separate power supply on small
capacitors to the upper and lower part of the led array in controlled phase to the driving signal on
the FET for a tune-up. The TL494 is designed to slow down the rep-rate of an overunity circuit
rather than let energy build up in capacitors. The FET will not function well until TL494 comes
on power. The led diode near regulator signals HV I don't know by going on or off? The FET
will then function efficiently.

:S:MarkSCoffman


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 07, 2014, 11:40:24 PM
Dear TinselKoala.

Welcome.  :)

Many thanks for the info on the driver.

Are you going to have a bash at this replication ??

I could think of no one more qualified.  :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 07, 2014, 11:44:08 PM
Quote
The TL494 is designed to slow down the rep-rate of an overunity circuit

Funny, I missed that in the data sheet. Guess I had better re-read it. I can certainly see why they want the "IN" version.... in Russia! But in Texas we don't see too much below-freezing weather. The hot end is more important to us, so we might need to use IN versions too!

DigiKey sells them for 73 cents apiece, either CN or IN versions, and you have to pay some shipping. Usually takes 3 days for a DigiKey order to arrive at my house.

http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?v=296&pv16=6512&k=tl494&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25 (http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?v=296&pv16=6512&k=tl494&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25)

So even though they are a few pennies more expensive each from thaishine, he pays the shipping, but with DigiKey you pay the shipping.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 07, 2014, 11:50:41 PM
Dear TinselKoala.

Welcome.  :)

Many thanks for the info on the driver.

Are you going to have a bash at this replication ??

I could think of no one more qualified.  :)

Cheers Grum.

Thanks, but no, I'm not going to be doing it, for a couple of reasons. (This could change, though.) However I can tell you that the basic oscillator section is virtually identical to just about every 494-based SSTC that I've seen including my TK2. There is a very easy way to make it "self-triggering" so that it seeks the resonant frequency of whatever it is driving, and maybe the Akula circuit above already does that. But I have no idea what is happening in the Akula circuit past the oscillator section. I'm pretty sure it will light the LEDs as long as it is getting power, but after you open the switch... I think it will go dark.

But when someone does build it, I'd love to see the results. I think that there are some "red herrings" in the design that don't really matter, but that's an experimental issue and I hope someone does the right experiments to find out.

ETA: Heh... checking my secret post-Apocalypse stash, I find that I have 2 ea. TL494CN chips and a handful of IRF3205 mosfets on hand. That's helpful indeed.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 12:32:48 AM
Quote
The led diode near regulator signals HV I don't know by going on or off? The FET
will then function efficiently.

Hmm. The 7812 regulator supplies the chip's main power at pin 12, and it also supplies the collector current for the VT2 NPN transistor that is used to drive the 3205 mosfet (wrong symbol there btw)  in the low-side switch arrangement switching L1. The LED near the 494 is in the circuit to both of the emitters (9 and 10)  of the open-collector NPN output stages of the 494. So the LED will come on when the 494 is operating. The primary output of the 494 is through pin 11, to the gate of the VT2 transistor, where it works by grounding and ungrounding  the collector-base part through the 494 (pins 10 and 11 are the collector and emitter of one of the 494's output NPN transistors.) Pin 8, the collector of the other stage's output NPN, is apparently not used.

I think.  See the Functional Block Diagram in the 494 datasheet.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 12:43:32 AM
Once the 494 is oscillating and driving the mosfet, there will be spikes generated whenever the L1 coil is turned on and off. The two MBR3545 diodes charge up the capacitor C3 and the second one helps keep the charge on C11 (I think). The LEDs and the inductors, the mosfet and capacitors C3 and C11 then keep the LED bank on while the circuit is operating with "start" button depressed, and after the "start" button is released they can keep the LEDs lit for a while, I think. The output LED side of the circuit, including the inductors, looks quite a lot like a JT with a wireless receiver (essentially the second MBR diode) attached.

I think. Maybe.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 12:46:38 AM
Dammit. I actually have all components necessary to build the silly thing on hand, except my 494s are the CN type. Now see what you have done? I don't have room for all this (possible)  HV stuff in my lab!!

Well, almost. The high current Schottky diodes.... why are these needed? There certainly aren't going to be sustained currents of the magnitude that those can handle. 35 Amps!  Why would a 45 v, 3 amp Schottky not work?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 01:03:02 AM
Ah. I see that GL's excellent PCB board uses the smaller 15SQ45 diode, a 15 amp unit. Some other component subs also. The "fact" that the 3205 mosfet needs a large heatsink is telling you something significant: It is dealing with HV spikes that are avalanching it continuously, and/or it is being underdriven or too fast for its rating. This mosfet has a very low intrinsic Rdss and runs cool in every application I have used it for.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: elementSix on March 08, 2014, 01:16:50 AM
  :-X
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: elementSix on March 08, 2014, 01:20:43 AM
I would Like to point out that we must be very careful about the version of this Circuit that we work from.  I believe that the one I posted earlier is the original.  The one that is on the first page is XNAME41's altered version which he says is the one he used to do his replication.  Which is likely that Akula changed one little part to make us work for it, instead of getting a hand out.  But the ones I have posted below are both in very poor quality, which means that they have been changed and altered to make them hard to read and also they changed most values on resistors and capacitors so that we could not replicate this setup.  It could be a precaution in case it is a real working circuit or that they know for a fact that it works.  Anyways I have 5 different versions on my cpu.  I am posting the 2 I believe are total fakes, just because of their quality and the windings on the L1 are wound the same direction, unlike the picture that Akula put on them.  Which shows the Cw and CCW windings.  Its hard to read them, but you can see that they are totally different.  So we should probably work from Grumages, post/ XNAME41's version or the one I posted earlier with the questions.  I think that is the original.  So check the Russian page to see which one Akula posted.

Good Luck to us all.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 02:55:42 AM
thanks, e6, that is helpful

I see the two strings of 5 each LEDs under the words "HL 15V" , and if they are 3V LEDs then yes, 15 volts will be needed to light them. But at only 60 mA or so, I think, and that is DC. If the thing does what I think, which is to make higher voltage, short durations spikes, then the current could be higher, but again, short term.

So where does the "30 Watt" output figure come from? DC power to light up all the LEDS to full brilliance and maybe beyond,  should be less than one watt. Are they special LEDs, high-power high brightness ones?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 03:07:20 AM
Look. When the 12 V battery is connected and the "start" switch is depressed, the the C11 cap is charged right away and the C3 capacitor is also fully charged through the current path thru the unlabelled diode near the switch, the first "L1" coil which must be the toroid, the 0R22 resistor R1, the other "L1" coil which is the transformer primary, and the first high-current Schottky. This is the reason that diode must be able to handle high surge currents. This same path also includes the second Schottky, the secondary of the transformer, and back through the NC "stop" switch to help charge the other large cap C11. This same path also includes the output LED bank in parallel with it, so the LEDs light up too if the supply battery voltage is high enough. It must be over 12 volts anyway or the 7812 regulator does nothing, it can't regulate "up", just down. None of this current path involves the 494 chip or the 7812 VR at all, and the two charged caps will keep the LEDs lit for a little while (I don't know how long yet) after the Start switch is released and before the Stop switch is pressed.
I think.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 03:30:33 AM
When the 494 starts oscillating this will affect the DC current path outlined above and the transformer will now start making spikes of higher voltage. This will charge up both big caps through their Schottkys, but the LED bank will keep the voltage from going too high on the caps, I think. If the 494 keeps running it is running on these two capacitors but I can't see how it would keep running for long, once the "start" button is released.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 08, 2014, 03:53:29 AM
L1 is pulsed by VT1, the bemf from L1 runs through D1 and D2 into L2

Basically the same thing that happens in V8carlos's circuits, one coil gets a neg pulse the other a pos pulse.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 07:36:27 AM
There are some rather large differences between that schematic and earlier ones in the thread. But at least it uses a correct symbol for the mosfet.

The LED is wired differently, the output of the 494 is done differently and the mosfet gate driver is completely different. The gate driver shown in this circuit is probably better than the ones in the other diagram. I don't know about the different connections to the 494.

However the DC current paths I described that charge up the two large capacitors are still as I described them.

As long as you cannot agree on which circuit diagram is actually to be used, there isn't any point in me building anything, I'll just go back to lurking. Where are the big diodes in the photographs that are below the schematics, for instance?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 08, 2014, 09:23:03 AM
operating temperature range ?  ???
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 10:52:35 AM
Hi all,

I think I have the needed parts to assemble this. I will keep you posted of my progress.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 08, 2014, 11:01:40 AM
what this forum needs is progress, if just one honest person suceeds and that really works,  then the search is over. after that people can discuss why is it working, then make bigger and improved versions.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 12:39:07 PM
Just wondering, why should a person giveout fake circuits. Whats he gonna lose if others can make it too.  ??? ???
Why humans prefer to take their secret circuits to their graves ?

Very strange behaviour indeed.  >:(

Comments ??

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 08, 2014, 12:44:30 PM
Just wondering, why should a person giveout fake circuits. Whats he gonna lose if others can make it too.  ??? ???
Why humans prefer to take their secret circuits to their graves ?

Very strange behaviour indeed.  >:(

Comments ??

Best,

google im sure you would do the same. 
if you have 1 million dollars,  will you give that to other people?
similar thing..
there are people however who would give this 1 million dollar to many people happily.
But the ratio between greed and a healthy minds is disbalanced.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: crazycut06 on March 08, 2014, 12:48:16 PM
Just wondering, why should a person giveout fake circuits. Whats he gonna lose if others can make it too.  ??? ???
Why humans prefer to take their secret circuits to their graves ?

Very strange behaviour indeed.  >:(

Comments ??

Best,


I know the answer, GREED!  >:(
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 12:57:20 PM
History proves, Hendershot, Hans Coler, Paul Baumann and many more died poor. Even Tesla. Who will invest in a technology which can be replicated by anyone in his backyard lab at virtually no cost.

Its impossible to find investors for Akulas toy circuits. Even Kapanazde has tough time finding investors since 10 years except that Turk group. Where are the free energy investors ? ?

If a man can not understand this simple logic, either he is extremely greedy or fake.

--------------$#@&--------------

So finally which circuit has been pinned down for replication ? Please indicate so that parts can be arranged for replication.

What about exact coil windings.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 08, 2014, 01:20:42 PM
Just wondering, why should a person giveout fake circuits. Whats he gonna lose if others can make it too.  ??? ???
Why humans prefer to take their secret circuits to their graves ?

Very strange behaviour indeed.  >:(

Comments ??

Best,
Think about it, first there's you and your family's personal safety, the world economy would crash, alot of people would be helped and alot of people would be hurt economically.

Would it be the right thing to do? I think so but there will be consequences.
Thats alot of weight on one mans shoulders. I thought I had an overunity device once, I have to admit it scared me, I did alot of thinking.

But all in all is it the right thing to do..........Yes
If we do nothing else in this short physical lifespan we should try to do whats right.
Seek righteousness
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 08, 2014, 01:38:41 PM
I am not the best with circuits, So can some one tell me what these are on the circuit.  The Red Arrows of course.
Also where can I buy just a few of the TL494IN's??  USA   

  Thanks ahead of time for your help..
                                       E6

PS..  It seems that all he did to make the core for the L1 was to cut or break the ends off of the E cores he shows in the pics below..
TL494 can bay basicly in any electronic shop.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 08, 2014, 01:46:08 PM
Dammit. I actually have all components necessary to build the silly thing on hand, except my 494s are the CN type. Now see what you have done? I don't have room for all this (possible)  HV stuff in my lab!!

Well, almost. The high current Schottky diodes.... why are these needed? There certainly aren't going to be sustained currents of the magnitude that those can handle. 35 Amps!  Why would a 45 v, 3 amp Schottky not work?
Shotky 35 amps not needed, you can use 10 amps. But shotkyes are wery fast and it good works on low voltages. In schematic is 35 volts, but I think better be use 60-70 volts, to not burn it's.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: pulp on March 08, 2014, 01:47:22 PM
Just wondering, why should a person giveout fake circuits. Whats he gonna lose if others can make it too.  ??? ???
Why humans prefer to take their secret circuits to their graves ?

Very strange behaviour indeed.  >:(

Comments ??

Best,

According to me there is conspiracy about this maybe i'm too paranoid but specially in Russia there is department from the government called combating the pseudoscience but they just have to lead the researchers to the wrong lead just because everything have to be under their control. So this guys there posting wrong schemes are mainly russians they are posting every week new scheme in the wrong way. There is nothing in solid state sircuits i'm sure the alternative energy is not there don't let them fool you.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 08, 2014, 01:59:47 PM
This schematic, I think is best. And add some explanations.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 08, 2014, 02:03:43 PM
Hi all

what is this mean ?
I could be wrong but I believe this works like a negative electrode, C3 is hit on the pos side with bemf from L1 this causes the cap to pull high negative on the other side of C3,this gives this electrode a high neg pulse.
It could be a winding on the core but the results would be the same.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 08, 2014, 02:16:31 PM

So finally which circuit has been pinned down for replication ? Please indicate so that parts can be arranged for replication.

What about exact coil windings.

Best,

Dear Google and all.

Welcome !!  :)

I have re attached the schematic that dear Groundloop converted to a PCB for us, see below.

As to the transformer. This IS the Grey area (Gray, for our US readers  :) )
There could well be a number of different configurations involved. Private discussions regarding what might be happening there?? Bloch wall movement between the two halves ?? Who knows ?? We will need to experiment !!

I too have had a moment when things seemed to come together and that BIG question hangs on your shoulders. Publish ? What in the Hell would be the outcome ? Complete collapse of the economy ? Social unrest ? War ? All these thoughts run through the mind !!

Well, to Hell with it !! Let's have a concerted, World Wide, no borders, discrimination free, BASH at this one !!  Just over 12 months ago I joined this forum, not knowing anyone !! I now feel a part of a massive world family, with a common goal. You have ALL become my friends !!  :)

ONWARD !!

Cheers Grum.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 03:02:52 PM
Hi all,
Does anybody know the working freqquency of the TL494 on this circuit? My question is because the output current capability will depend on the transformer primary inductance and on the frequency. Limits imposed by the potentiometer seem too wide.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 08, 2014, 03:06:26 PM
Hi all,
Does anybody know the working freqquency of the TL494 on this circuit? My question is because the output current capability will depend on the transformer primary inductance and on the frequency. Limits imposed by the potentiometer seem too wide.

Dear Black_Bird.

A "little bird" told me 5 KHz !!  ;)

Experiments will tell us more !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 03:11:25 PM
Dear Black_Bird.

A "little bird" told me 5 KHz !!  ;)

Experiments will tell us more !!

Cheers Grum.
Thank you Grum. My calculations, supposing AL of the core around 2000 nH/turns2 and a current of 2A ( 30W /15V)
, and also supposing the duty cycle of 45%, 15 turns at the primary led to a frequency of 5.68KHz. So your "little bird" confirms my calculations.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 03:12:33 PM
Hi all,
Does anybody know the working freqquency of the TL494 on this circuit? My question is because the output current capability will depend on the transformer primary inductance and on the frequency. Limits imposed by the potentiometer seem too wide.

You are kidding, right? The people in this thread can't even settle on which output pin of the 494 to use, and it seems you can just start leaving components out all over the place, or substitute different ones, at will. Compare Groundloop's PCB specified components with what we have just seen in the last few posts.

Why not settle on one specific schematic before you start making PCBs or worrying about what frequency to use?  Once one schematic is "approved" and constructed, that can become a baseline from which variations can be tested to see if they help or hurt the desired performance.  But having three different people (at least) putting up substantially different schematics, each saying that they believe theirs is the right one to use... and then someone else comes along without an actual build, apparently, and tells you to leave parts out.... OK, fine. Have fun. You are making a mess that will have to be cleaned up later, but as long as it keeps you off the streets, it's fine with me.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 08, 2014, 03:12:49 PM
Lets take it a step further, the bemf from L1 causes the pos side of C3 to go high pos this draws current on the other side to go high neg after the bemf is dissipated through L2, L2 has a bemf that will cause the pos side of C3 to go neg this releases the high neg from the cap and pulses the electrode.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 03:21:20 PM
You are kidding, right? The people in this thread can't even settle on which output pin of the 494 to use, and it seems you can just start leaving components out all over the place, or substitute different ones, at will. Compare Groundloop's PCB specified components with what we have just seen in the last few posts.

Why not settle on one specific schematic before you start making PCBs or worrying about what frequency to use?  Once one schematic is "approved" and constructed, that can become a baseline from which variations can be tested to see if they help or hurt the desired performance.  But having three different people (at least) putting up substantially different schematics, each saying that they believe theirs is the right one to use... and then someone else comes along without an actual build, apparently, and tells you to leave parts out.... OK, fine. Have fun. You are making a mess that will have to be cleaned up later, but as long as it keeps you off the streets, it's fine with me.

Hey, it was just a question from somebody who wants to build the circuit. For you knowledge, I'm and electronic engineer with more than 35 years experience and, despite that, I am not raging over people who know less than me. Sometimes the best solutions come from people with less knowledge but more ingenuity.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 03:41:57 PM
Grum,
I think I understand why the potentiometer is giving that wide range for the frequency: it is to allow for different AL values of the core. See the table below
AL.       Inductance (15 turn). Frequency for 2A current and 45% duty cycle
2000.         450uH.                      5.68 KHz
1000.         225uH.                     12 KHz
800            180uH.                     15KHz
600.           135uH.                     20KHz
400.             90uH.                     30KHz
200.             45uH.                     60KHz

Cheers,
Black Bird
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 03:45:19 PM
TL 494 can be sourced from any old SMPS. :D
----------------

Seniors, please decide on one circuit, before the whole hound of researchers here waste time in making wrong circuit.

Electronics guys like Black Bird may analyse the circuit and its working before newbies like us start the replication. It will be much better if someone can tell how it works in simple language. From where the excess energy comes from in the system.

Are there some elements in the circuit which might be exploiting energy from COUNTER SPACE. Although I am not sure what counter space is, yet if some experts explain to us, will be appreciated.

Best,

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 03:54:53 PM
TL 494 can be sourced from any old SMPS. :D
----------------

Seniors, please decide on one circuit, before the whole hound of researchers here waste time in making wrong circuit.

Electronics guys like Black Bird may analyse the circuit and its working before newbies like us start the replication. It will be much better if someone can tell how it works in simple language. From where the excess energy comes from in the system.

Are there some elements in the circuit which might be exploiting energy from COUNTER SPACE. Although I am not sure what counter space is, yet if some experts explain to us, will be appreciated.

Best,

Best,

Hi Google,

I will be posting my findings as I progress.

Cheers,

Black Bird
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 03:56:14 PM
Dear Google and all.

Welcome !!  :)

I have re attached the schematic that dear Groundloop converted to a PCB for us, see below.

As to the transformer. This IS the Grey area (Gray, for our US readers  :) )
There could well be a number of different configurations involved. Private discussions regarding what might be happening there?? Bloch wall movement between the two halves ?? Who knows ?? We will need to experiment !!

I too have had a moment when things seemed to come together and that BIG question hangs on your shoulders. Publish ? What in the Hell would be the outcome ? Complete collapse of the economy ? Social unrest ? War ? All these thoughts run through the mind !!

Well, to Hell with it !! Let's have a concerted, World Wide, no borders, discrimination free, BASH at this one !!  Just over 12 months ago I joined this forum, not knowing anyone !! I now feel a part of a massive world family, with a common goal. You have ALL become my friends !!  :)

ONWARD !!

Cheers Grum.

Dear Grum,

Thanks very much. There are some countries in the world not dependent entirely on carbon based energy. Those countries are meeting their domestic demend of energy and selling surplus energy to the neighbours.

Economy in those parts of the world are not crashing. See, if at all, we can make a free energy device, it would be of moderate power output and large industrial and commercial power requirements shall be still met by the conventional hydroelectric or nuclear based electricity.

We may get some respite from our power bills but powering heating and cooling devices shall still need grid based power. These gadgets can fulfill the lighting requirements only, IMHO.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 04:01:01 PM
Hi Google,

I will be posting my findings as I progress.

Cheers,

Black Bird

Dear Black Bird,

Thanks a lot. This forum really needs people who can lead the group on this thread, courtesy Mr Grum. Some seniors join hands and please become the project heads for this thread.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 08, 2014, 04:03:07 PM
Dear TinselKoala and all.

I opened this thread with the schematic, that I thought, would be correct for this replication !! It was the one presented by x_name41. The hand written mods that appeared there were built into the PCB that dear Groundloop has produced.

For me, that will be the one that is used. I agree with your sentiments as regards how much a mess we could get into by following different routes !! The simplified king-Grumage schematic was just posted to show simplistically that the circuit is driven by a very fast switch, nothing more !!

Your electronics expertise is well known amongst the older members of this and many other forums. And I look forward to a continuation of your, and other electronics oriented peoples input.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 04:14:08 PM
Yes Dr. Koala, Black Bird and other electronics experts, please take the lead. You can really make this thread a humming hive and I wish and pray Almighty for the success of this venture.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 08, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
TL 494 can be sourced from any old SMPS. :D
----------------

Seniors, please decide on one circuit, before the whole hound of researchers here waste time in making wrong circuit.

Electronics guys like Black Bird may analyse the circuit and its working before newbies like us start the replication. It will be much better if someone can tell how it works in simple language. From where the excess energy comes from in the system.

Are there some elements in the circuit which might be exploiting energy from COUNTER SPACE. Although I am not sure what counter space is, yet if some experts explain to us, will be appreciated.

Best,

Best,
Read my posts.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 04:54:19 PM
Read my posts.

Dear A.king21,

Can you please suggest some interesting reading material on electrostatic systems with COP more than 1. Will be helpful for dummies like me who have long forgotten the basics.

Much appreciated.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 04:55:21 PM
Dear Grum,

The frequency limits for the RT and CT components in the schematic (1K+10K potentiometer and 3.3nF cap) are 363KHz ( Pot at 0 ohms) and 33.06KHz ( pot at 10K). Using this information, and the table I just posted, I would say that the transformer core (with the gap) has an AL less than 400. As the dimension of the gap will influence the final AL of the core, you can always adjust the gap to fine tune particular core you have.

Cheers,

Black Bird
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 08, 2014, 05:15:16 PM
Dear Grum,

The frequency limits for the RT and CT components in the schematic (1K+10K potentiometer and 3.3nF cap) are 363KHz ( Pot at 0 ohms) and 33.06KHz ( pot at 10K). Using this information, and the table I just posted, I would say that the transformer core (with the gap) has an AL less than 400. As the dimension of the gap will influence the final AL of the core, you can always adjust the gap to fine tune particular core you have.

Cheers,

Black Bird

Dear Black_Bird.

Many thanks for that info. The cores I have obtained have an AL Value = 4100. I hope they are not too large ??

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 08, 2014, 05:29:18 PM
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf)


In this 100 year old patent Benitez uses an electrostatic generator to energize one plate of a HV capacitor.
He then alternately pumps the ground via a Tesla controller/interrupter switch to energize the other plate of the capacitor.
He intercepts the ground surge with a 1:1 trafo.
He then diodes the output back into the input.
The device is self running.
We can do all this electronically.
It took me 2 weeks to understand the patent.
The patent was granted.
Those with working Tesla coils, Slayers, Karchers, etc should think of their devices as electrostatic generators
and modify their circuits accordingly.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 05:46:33 PM
I just made a simple HV electrostatic generator by using 3 basic parts.

1. 12 V 7Ah Accumulator.
2.  A cheap 18 Watt CFL inverter circuit that lights a CFL with a 12 V DC input.
3. A flyback trafo. Wired the inverter output to flyback input.

The HV and ground output wires light the CFLs wirelessly and generates some wonderful blue sparks streamers. The spark gap max is 1 cm.

I guess the output is above 10kv.


A.king21 can you suggest a simple circuit to replicate Benitez patent with this device.

Many thanks ahead of time.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 08, 2014, 06:33:50 PM
Good Day All:
Just wanted to say thanks for starting this post:
I have been following the work of AKULA since last year:

OK, just my two cents worth:
Please see Attachments:
A pic is worth a 1000 words:
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 08, 2014, 06:46:15 PM
Dear Black_Bird.

Many thanks for that info. The cores I have obtained have an AL Value = 4100. I hope they are not too large ??

Cheers Grum.
Hi Grum,

With AL=4100, and no gap, primary inductance will be around 920uH. At 33KHz, minimum frequency of TL494 in this circuit, the maximum current during conduction will be around 177 mA, which is low to get the desired 30W output. when you introduce the gap, AL will reduce and consequently the value of primary inductance will also reduce. You will need some experimenting with the gap value to get the desired output current.

Cheers,

Black Bird
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 08, 2014, 06:47:14 PM
I just made a simple HV electrostatic generator by using 3 basic parts.

1. 12 V 7Ah Accumulator.
2.  A cheap 18 Watt CFL inverter circuit that lights a CFL with a 12 V DC input.
3. A flyback trafo. Wired the inverter output to flyback input.

The HV and ground output wires light the CFLs wirelessly and generates some wonderful blue sparks streamers. The spark gap max is 1 cm.

I guess the output is above 10kv.


Dear Google.

You have made the first step !! Yes, humidity dependant, a spark of 30 Kv for dry air can traverse 1 cm !!

We now have to find a way of attracting and harnessing the abundance of "Static" electricity and converting it into "our" man made electromagnetic electricity !! The Testatika machine ??

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 08, 2014, 07:35:01 PM
Good Day All:
Just wanted to say thanks for starting this post:
I have been following the work of AKULA since last year:

OK, just my two cents worth:
Please see Attachments:
A pic is worth a 1000 words:
lost_bro

Dear lost_bro.

Thanks for your input and welcome!!  :)

Please study the schematic on my opening post. http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391344/#msg391344

How do you see these handwritten amendments ?  As this is the schematic that has been turned into a PCB format.

Cheers Grum

PS. Almost forgot to thank Black Bird for the inductance info !! Cheers !!  :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 07:41:30 PM
Next step ??   :)

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 08, 2014, 08:02:52 PM
Hello Grummage

OK, took a quick look at the other schematic:

Please see the attachments:
It's just my two cents worth.
Take care and good luck.
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 08, 2014, 08:28:53 PM
lost_bro


Are the error amplifiers correctly used in original circuit ? Can you explain the purpose of sensing in two places (input of stabiliser and  after load) ? Could it be to change frequency according to the load and to limit input voltage going to lm7812 ?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 08, 2014, 08:29:37 PM
Hello Grummage

OK, took a quick look at the other schematic:

Please see the attachments:
It's just my two cents worth.
Take care and good luck.
lost_bro

Dear lost_bro.

From your remarks, I gather that there are still errors ?? Would you be so kind as to correct this schematic so that we could proceed ?? I suppose we could place a jumper here or there ??
I myself have only a basic knowledge of electronics so would greatly appreciate any help from the more adept members of this Forum.

Cheers Grum.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 08, 2014, 09:04:49 PM
lost_bro


Are the error amplifiers correctly used in original circuit ? Can you explain the purpose of sensing in two places (input of stabiliser and  after load) ? Could it be to change frequency according to the load and to limit input voltage going to lm7812 ?


Hello Forest:

Just a few quick thoughts on the matter:
Please see attached pic.
I would have to build the unit to understand better what Akula's methodology was when designing his feed back loop.
I would have to wonder with so many other obvious flaws in the schematic (not this one, but the other one which is missing the ground line to #16 etc) , if this is indeed an actual working model?
Or if it is another adulterated version.....
Take care,, peace.
lost_bro
 
P.S made a mistake on the pic.  should read R14 & R15 timing:

EDIT , it is normal for #2 to use decoupling capacitor, but directly to ground not in the middle of a feedback loop.

C8 is a SoftStart-function Capacitor (controls number of clock cycles before full output achieved) , used to slow down the start-up of the output signal on initial startup of the TL494 chip. Probably does that so not to blow up the MOSFET with initial surge....
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: totoalas on March 08, 2014, 10:12:30 PM
A simplified king-grumage schematic is enclosed so you can see what is going on.
Aking and Grum
does the basic circuit still stands out meaning no modification
Im still waiting for my parts tl 494  abd it will be a week to arrive
Tesla switch   
Can use jonnydavros 1.5 v dc  5 t0 82 mA  flyback driver for hv
 
to Lost Bro
Can the above circuit combined with hv produce an efficient output if not self generating
Ill settle for efficiency right now for my 20 w solar panels   less input current with high output
 
t 8) hanks
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: mscoffman on March 08, 2014, 11:09:22 PM
Black Bird,

Do you happen to have access to e-cap software simulator capability?

I'm certain that all these components should have simulation models. My feeling is that these folks are having too much
problems with this is a relatively simple circuitry. Why not just bringing it up as if were your own design? How hard should it be
to light some power leds using a 494 PWM modulator? And any kind ferrite transformer with these # turns of windings? Then figure out
how to inject 4MHz AC to add to DC power to simulate free energy. Test the circuit for voltage/power regulation. Figure out how
free electrons injected into the LED array will affect power flow, see how much you got vs and how much you need. You are
going to need *significant* free energy to offset the heat being dissipated in the FET heat sink so it seems you should be able to see it.
I suspect there is significant energy flowing back from the led array immediately after turn off.

When you tune the circuit then you can use fancy groomed ferrite transformer. I suspect that free electrons work like a heat engine
you need to use 1/2 their energy to push the other 1/2 energy into the circuit, so around that injection loop you need ground balance.
 
What I'm suggesting is use the schematic as a structural reference rather then detail reference. Then test the thing into operation.

By the way one could convert the 12Volt Linear Regulator to a switching regulator by adding the appropriate inductor
into it's ground lead. From National Applications note. This alone could save 16% energy use by left side of board and
cool the +12 volt regulator down. Use excess .1uf power bypass caps to keep the signals cleaner during prototyping.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 09, 2014, 12:31:43 AM
Mark,

I do not have ecap, but PSPICE. Anyway, these simulators might give you some insight into the circuit, but, as they are based in "conventional" physics, any "anomalous" effects will not appear in the simulation.

If you observe the circuit, even if TL494 is not there, there is a DC path from power supply to the load via the primary inductor and the diodes to the load. What I think, for now, is that the circuit, somehow, returns the power spent to the power supply capacitors, after the battery is disconnected. How and why that happens is the big "X", and that is why I will assemble the circuit to investigate it. My intention is to assemble the circuit by parts and measure the effects of each step until I get it working ( or not!?).

Cheers,

Black Bird
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: elementSix on March 09, 2014, 05:21:32 AM
You need a program that has these two options.   Non-Linear Inductance and Open Circuit system.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 09, 2014, 05:38:17 AM
Hi elementSix,

PSPICE does have nonlinear inductors, but no Open Circuit System. Any suggestions are welcome.

Cheers,

Black Bird.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 09, 2014, 04:32:17 PM
Dear a.king21, forest, grumage and other Teslonians,

My bird brain understands the following is necessary for achieving overunity :

Electromagnetic Energy ----> Radiant Energy ----> Magnify Radiant Energy ----> Electromagnetic Energy.
        (Battery)                                       (No sparks, just corona discharge)                              (Bulbs/ LEDs)


How to Magnify Radiant Energy ???????

Any ideas please. (Kindly do not refer to long pointless threads.)
Thanks ahead of the time.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 09, 2014, 05:53:27 PM
Dear a.king21, forest, grumage and other Teslonians,

My bird brain understands the following is necessary for achieving overunity :

Electromagnetic Energy ----> Radiant Energy ----> Magnify Radiant Energy ----> Electromagnetic Energy.
        (Battery)                                       (No sparks, just corona discharge)                              (Bulbs/ LEDs)


How to Magnify Radiant Energy ??? ??? ?

Any ideas please. (Kindly do not refer to long pointless threads.)
Thanks ahead of the time.

Best,
Momentarily touching earth ground pumps an equivalent amount of electrostatic energy from the ground (minus system losses)
You have to repeat the pumping action using a Tesla switch.
(It's in his radiant energy patent)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 09, 2014, 07:00:59 PM
My idea is similar to BlackBird. Somehow the initial current pulse is returned back to  supply capacitors  while the second current pulse generated is going to the output caps. Because frequency is high there is enough to cover looses and power leds.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 09, 2014, 08:50:05 PM
My idea is similar to BlackBird. Somehow the initial current pulse is returned back to  supply capacitors  while the second current pulse generated is going to the output caps. Because frequency is high there is enough to cover looses and power leds.

Dear forest.

Don't forget that the coil across the split causes a doubling of the frequency !!   ;)   totoalas picked up on the air gap on page one !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 09, 2014, 09:52:36 PM
Dear forest.

Don't forget that the coil across the split causes a doubling of the frequency !!   ;)   totoalas picked up on the air gap on page one !!

Cheers Grum.

Hi Grum

So we are going with a gap on all 3 legs of the core?   I've seen cores with only the gap on the center leg and cores with only gaps on the 2 outer legs.
I wanted clarification for me and everyone else.

Thanks
DonL
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: gotoluc on March 09, 2014, 09:54:50 PM
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf)


In this 100 year old patent Benitez uses an electrostatic generator to energize one plate of a HV capacitor.
He then alternately pumps the ground via a Tesla controller/interrupter switch to energize the other plate of the capacitor.
He intercepts the ground surge with a 1:1 trafo.
He then diodes the output back into the input.
The device is self running.
We can do all this electronically.
It took me 2 weeks to understand the patent.
The patent was granted.
Those with working Tesla coils, Slayers, Karchers, etc should think of their devices as electrostatic generators
and modify their circuits accordingly.

Maybe this video can help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0hXYfvnND0&feature=related
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: totoalas on March 09, 2014, 09:57:10 PM
Hi Grum

So we are going with a gap on all 3 legs of the core?   I've seen cores with only the gap on the center leg and cores with only gaps on the 2 outer legs.
I wanted clarification for me and everyone else.

Thanks
DonL
In my previous experiments
the center leg of e core i inserted a ferrite ring magnet and none on the other two legs   the v ac rise from 125 to 320 v ac  open circuit measurement....  without the gap   its barely 65 v ac  8)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 09, 2014, 10:12:48 PM
Hi Grum

So we are going with a gap on all 3 legs of the core?   I've seen cores with only the gap on the center leg and cores with only gaps on the 2 outer legs.
I wanted clarification for me and everyone else.

Thanks
DonL

Dear Don.

Another very good question !!  totoalas noticed an air gap on one leg only. If you recall GeoFusions original "round core" device he had paper between the joints. My own experiments also found that an air gap can alter the frequency of the pickup coil.

I have re attached T-1000's suggested scheme for the coil. This would put the first layer of 30 turns of L2 right in the air gap !!

At this stage I am waiting for R M Cybernetics to get back with a price for the manufacture of the PCB's. I myself do not feel confident enough to build a working circuit. Perhaps if any members are interested in purchasing the boards direct from RMC, they could make it clear here. A run of 10 or more would certainly be cheaper than one or two !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 09, 2014, 11:54:22 PM
Dear Don.

Another very good question !!  totoalas noticed an air gap on one leg only. If you recall GeoFusions original "round core" device he had paper between the joints. My own experiments also found that an air gap can alter the frequency of the pickup coil.

I have re attached T-1000's suggested scheme for the coil. This would put the first layer of 30 turns of L2 right in the air gap !!

At this stage I am waiting for R M Cybernetics to get back with a price for the manufacture of the PCB's. I myself do not feel confident enough to build a working circuit. Perhaps if any members are interested in purchasing the boards direct from RMC, they could make it clear here. A run of 10 or more would certainly be cheaper than one or two !!

Cheers Grum.


It is possible to get a special effect when you wrap a coil over a gap.  I don't know what the effect is.  I'm just saying this because we can't tell from T-1000 pic if there is a gap or not.
DonL



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 10, 2014, 01:48:00 AM
I have re attached T-1000's suggested scheme for the coil. This would put the first layer of 30 turns of L2 right in the air gap !!
30/8/7 ---- 8/7
How did you get the windings from that picture?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: JouleSeeker on March 10, 2014, 03:03:00 AM

Grum: "Perhaps if any members are interested in purchasing the boards direct from RMC, they could make it clear here. A run of 10 or more would certainly be cheaper than one or two !!"

If the price is not too great (say up to $70 for one), count me in! 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: JouleSeeker on March 10, 2014, 03:06:31 AM
OOPS - duplicate; delete
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 10, 2014, 03:10:49 AM
Momentarily touching earth ground pumps an equivalent amount of electrostatic energy from the ground (minus system losses)
You have to repeat the pumping action using a Tesla switch.
(It's in his radiant energy patent)

Many thanks A.king21 for the reply.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 10, 2014, 04:25:57 AM

At this stage I am waiting for R M Cybernetics to get back with a price for the manufacture of the PCB's. I myself do not feel confident enough to build a working circuit. Perhaps if any members are interested in purchasing the boards direct from RMC, they could make it clear here. A run of 10 or more would certainly be cheaper than one or two !!

Cheers Grum.
Please post here or PM me the cost of each board with shipping.

Thanks
DonL

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: DilJalaay on March 10, 2014, 06:13:15 AM
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Benitez/GB191417811A.pdf)


In this 100 year old patent Benitez uses an electrostatic generator to energize one plate of a HV capacitor.
He then alternately pumps the ground via a Tesla controller/interrupter switch to energize the other plate of the capacitor.
He intercepts the ground surge with a 1:1 trafo.
He then diodes the output back into the input.
The device is self running.
We can do all this electronically.
It took me 2 weeks to understand the patent.
The patent was granted.
Those with working Tesla coils, Slayers, Karchers, etc should think of their devices as electrostatic generators
and modify their circuits accordingly.


Thanks for the post. I read the full patent, and not understand the commutator, its timing.
Could you please explain it or a clear picture etc etc.

Also i want to make a Benitez thread, can some one tell me how i can do it.
I can not find any link/facility to make any new thread.

Cheers.
D.J
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 10, 2014, 08:30:34 AM
Even I studied Benitez patent and drew the circuit to understand it. Everything is easy to understand except the commutator thing. It uses the  following parts only :

1 commutator
10 diodes (probably HV)
4 capacitors (probably HV)
6 trafos (probably aircore/ ferrite core)
1 load

Circuit is simple to make except the commutator thing that seems very complex in working and concept.

I also second starting a new thread on Carlos Benitez 1914 patent.

Found this interesting video on Benitez Plug.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwiQGxkXC9U



Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 10, 2014, 10:13:38 AM
For self running LED light circuit the transformer is crucial part. And unless someone will try to wind coils and test on 555 circuit with same secondary coil connections as in original circuit there's not much to discuss around it. The practical test would reveal much more with asynchronous windings and flyback effects mixed...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 10, 2014, 01:21:52 PM
Understanding whats happening in this circuit is critical to making it work.
This is electron flow not the conventional view.
This is the coil reactions - separating pos and neg

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 10, 2014, 01:47:15 PM

Thanks for the post. I read the full patent, and not understand the commutator, its timing.
Could you please explain it or a clear picture etc etc.

Also i want to make a Benitez thread, can some one tell me how i can do it.
I can not find any link/facility to make any new thread.

Cheers.
D.J

DilJalaay / a.king21,

In the Benitez circuit diagram two connections are dotted lines. Namely between points 5 --- 51 and 27----53.

What is the significance of the dotted line. Can you please reply.

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 10, 2014, 01:47:45 PM
This is going to step on some toes  ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: DilJalaay on March 10, 2014, 02:17:30 PM
DilJalaay / a.king21,

In the Benitez circuit diagram two connections are dotted lines. Namely between points 5 --- 51 and 27----53.

What is the significance of the dotted line. Can you please reply.

Thanks in advance.

Best,


There are three doted lines, the circuit attached to the doted line is optional, it is if you want to use low frequency, without spark gap. All is written in the patent.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 10, 2014, 02:24:26 PM
Many thanks DJ, I didnt read the full patent, its on my to-do list, I wanted to see the circuit first. Speacially the commutator part. Looks will take time to read and understand the basics of the patent first. But this seems interesting to me.

Is anyone starting a new thread on Benitez patent of 1914 ?

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 10, 2014, 02:25:59 PM
30/8/7 ---- 8/7
How did you get the windings from that picture?

Dear 4Tesla.

The schematic clearly states L1 having 15 turns and L2 45 turns.

From that, and the assumption made by T-1000 then a first layer of 30 turns with a following second layer to the centre of the bobbin of 8 turns and a final layer of 7 turns makes L2 45 turns total.
And then L1 wound over L2 to the centre with 8 turns and a return layer of 7 turns makes L1 15 turns.

I hope that clarifies your question ?? And is of help to others !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 10, 2014, 02:29:54 PM
Dear All.

This just appeared on the Kapanadze thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4vzlW0Oxw&list=UU8wodvsxDbBQxihf_ilGIuA

Enjoy !!  :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 10, 2014, 03:22:16 PM
Here is the circuit before it disappears from YT.  ;)

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Tseak on March 10, 2014, 03:52:41 PM
Hi all

what is this mean ?

I might be speaking out of turn because I haven't read the whole thread yet. I've skipped through it.  It is a very strange configuration. In answer to your question re the "plate" :- I think that this represents a shield winding. This is generally a grounded turn of foil wound between the primary and secondary windings. Its purpose is sometimes for safety reasons so that there is complete galvanic isolation from the primary(used in mains fed circuits where human life is at risk eg on medical machines). In this case it will serve to reduce capacitive coupling between primary and secondary. With this configuration its only real effect would be to reduce stress on the diode D5 by reducing high frequency reverse bias whilst the diode is still switching off (I am referring to component designations on the redrawn circuit because it is so much easier to see).

The circuit is essentially a flyback configuration with the primary is used as a choke, not a transformer.  It is a current controlled circuit with R17 as the current shunt in the feedback loop. TL494 pins 1,2 and 3 form the current loop. Pins 15, 16 and 3 form the voltage loop. The secondary seems to only provide an auxiliary feedback mechanism.

There are lots of funnies in this circuit.

--For example why use the 7812 regulator. The feed is 12 volt battery and depending on the particular flavour the 7812 has a dropout voltage of about 2.5 volts hence no regulation. All the devices fed with 12 volts can withstand up to 20v. the regulator doubly pointless.

-- The control loops are unusual for no apparent reason.

--The secondary(auxiliary) winding serves no real purpose and introduces further losses. It probably boosts the voltage into the primary but what for? The energy for this comes from the primary flyback voltage.

-- Why couple the secondary winding to the output of the primary?

Lots of questions.  I must say this has intrigued me and I'll look at it further when I get a chance - hopefully later this week, but my first reaction is that this is simply a poorly designed flyback boost circuit. Perhaps some of these comments will trigger other peoples' ideas.
 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 10, 2014, 05:03:02 PM
Good Day Tseak:

I might be speaking out of turn because I haven't read the whole thread yet. I've skipped through it.  It is a very strange configuration. In answer to your question re the "plate" :- I think that this represents a shield winding. This is generally a grounded turn of foil wound between the primary and secondary windings. Its purpose is sometimes for safety reasons so that there is complete galvanic isolation from the primary(used in mains fed circuits where human life is at risk eg on medical machines). In this case it will serve to reduce capacitive coupling between primary and secondary. With this configuration its only real effect would be to reduce stress on the diode D5 by reducing high frequency reverse bias whilst the diode is still switching off (I am referring to component designations on the redrawn circuit because it is so much easier to see).

Plate could be electrostatic part of ground loop : to maintain ground when battery is disconnected.

The circuit is essentially a flyback configuration with the primary is used as a choke, not a transformer.  It is a current controlled circuit with R17 as the current shunt in the feedback loop. TL494 pins 1,2 and 3 form the current loop. Pins 15, 16 and 3 form the voltage loop. The secondary seems to only provide an auxiliary feedback mechanism.

In theory  the feedback should track frequency?

There are lots of funnies in this circuit.

--For example why use the 7812 regulator. The feed is 12 volt battery and depending on the particular flavour the 7812 has a dropout voltage of about 2.5 volts hence no regulation. All the devices fed with 12 volts can withstand up to 20v. the regulator doubly pointless.

Yes, allegedly the circuit will put out over 35volts when battery is disconnected and is left to free run:  Must check specs on IRF3205  MOSFET Gate to Source volt max.; could be there to keep stable voltage for Max voltage limits. 
I agree a Buck/Boost converter would be more efficient if that is the reason.


-- The control loops are unusual for no apparent reason.

Don't understand them either, yet!!!

--The secondary(auxiliary) winding serves no real purpose and introduces further losses. It probably boosts the voltage into the primary but what for? The energy for this comes from the primary flyback voltage.

According the supposed operating principal:  the L2 winding is processing and injecting the flyback voltage from L1 during the OFF cycle of L1 to the In-put side of the Voltage Regulator to keep the thing running when the battery is disconnected.

-- Why couple the secondary winding to the output of the primary?

To recycle the flyback energy?

Lots of questions.  I must say this has intrigued me and I'll look at it further when I get a chance - hopefully later this week, but my first reaction is that this is simply a poorly designed flyback boost circuit. Perhaps some of these comments will trigger other peoples' ideas.

Yes, we need more people to analyze this circuit and build it:

Take care. Peace.
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 10, 2014, 05:48:34 PM
Can someone who is Russian speaking inform Akula about this thread in his  honour?
If he wants to contribute in Russian it is fine.
We respect him here.

I have invited him to join in here and over at OUR.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 10, 2014, 11:31:37 PM
Dear All.

First price back in late today.

For a run of 10 PCB blanks i.e. just board, no components £5.00. To Groundloops template attached below.  This would come down slightly if more were ordered !!

I am still waiting for Farnell to come back with the component costs. 

I have also wound my transformer today and had a "Dummy run" with a PWM driving the primary. Nothing out of the ordinary to report.

Will keep you all posted, Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 10, 2014, 11:36:56 PM
Yes, we need more people to analyze this circuit and build it:
The author of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k) says that he does not know how, but his device powers a 200W LED flood light (to unknown brightness)  without any hidden batteries and hidden wires.

To analyze it properly, I need scopeshots of simultaneous current and voltage waveforms on both windings of the transformer/choke.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 10, 2014, 11:58:06 PM
The author of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k) says that he does not know how, but his device powers a 200W LED flood light (to unknown brightness)  without any hidden batteries and hidden wires.

To analyze it properly, I need scopeshots of simultaneous current and voltage waveforms on both windings of the transformer/choke.

Dear Verpies.

Welcome !!  :)

Your input is always valued highly.

It was that video that really galvanised me into starting this thread !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 02:51:42 AM
Good Evening All

Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4vzlW0Oxw
at 7.50min.s he shows the Ground copper plate wrapped around the inner plastic bobbin of an ETD, EE type core.
Also shows the wrap configuration that he uses:

We need someone to translate this to English Please.

lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 03:03:40 AM
Good day Grumage:

OK, count me in on one of the PCBs.
If we need to modify it, shouldn't be too hard to do.

Let me know how and when to make payment and the shipping options.
You can PM me if you want with the details.


Thanks
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 11, 2014, 03:04:11 AM
@ all,

I have a very basic question here. Suppose I have a 0.5 watt radio transmitter sitting on my bench. Also suppose I have access to unlimited crystal radio sets tuned exactly to the frequency of the 0.5 watt transmitter.

Question 1: How many maximum crystal radio sets can be fed with the 0.5 watt transmitter ?

Question 2: Is it possible that after adding Nth crystal set, the (N+1)th crystal set will recieve nothing ? (If N is the answer of question 1 above).

Question 3: By increasing the number of crystal sets to almost infinite. Will the quality of reception go down inversely proportional to the number of receiver sets.
Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Groundloop on March 11, 2014, 03:24:46 AM
Dear All.

First price back in late today.

For a run of 10 PCB blanks i.e. just board, no components £5.00. To Groundloops template attached below.  This would come down slightly if more were ordered !!

I am still waiting for Farnell to come back with the component costs. 

I have also wound my transformer today and had a "Dummy run" with a PWM driving the primary. Nothing out of the ordinary to report.

Will keep you all posted, Cheers Grum.

Grumage,

The PCB image you posted above was NOT from the final PCB layout I did mail to you.
Please, please, please use the newest images and files that I mailed you when showing
my artwork.

Attached is how the PCB look like.

Thanks,
GL.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 11, 2014, 03:32:14 AM
Дорогой друг, ваше видео уважают. любезно присоединиться к нашей формы overunity.com, у нас есть поток на Акула 30 Вт свободной энергии устройства. При желании Вы можете создавать в России есть. Большое спасибо.

Sent this message to Ilya0ship. Lets see if he responds. Credit of video ref. goes to respected friend verpies.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: seychelles on March 11, 2014, 03:35:58 AM
Hi GUYS I have been following you from a great distance, that is  perth western Australia. keep up the great work and count me in for the pcb and let us know the total cost when it will be available,, thanks regards seychelles
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 11, 2014, 05:38:38 AM
Дорогой друг, ваше видео уважают. любезно присоединиться к нашей формы overunity.com, у нас есть поток на Акула 30 Вт свободной энергии устройства. При желании Вы можете создавать в России есть. Большое спасибо.

Sent this message to Ilya0ship. Lets see if he responds. Credit of video ref. goes to respected friend verpies.

Best,

Good idea!  8)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Farmhand on March 11, 2014, 08:24:39 AM
@ all,

I have a very basic question here. Suppose I have a 0.5 watt radio transmitter sitting on my bench. Also suppose I have access to unlimited crystal radio sets tuned exactly to the frequency of the 0.5 watt transmitter.

Question 1: How many maximum crystal radio sets can be fed with the 0.5 watt transmitter ?

Question 2: Is it possible that after adding Nth crystal set, the (N+1)th crystal set will recieve nothing ? (If N is the answer of question 1 above).

Question 3: By increasing the number of crystal sets to almost infinite. Will the quality of reception go down inversely proportional to the number of receiver sets.
Best,

What is the range and type of the 0.5 Watt transmitter, (grounded conventional antenna, not grounded conventional antenna, Tesla style capacitive elevated terminal ? And what type of crystal radio receivers do you refer to, regular elevated wire antenna with ground or Tesla style grounded ?

Something like this maybe. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CZH-05B-0-5W-FM-transmitter-radio-broadcast-PLL-LCD-stereo-87-108mhz-/251354115717?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

I'm guessing it's a small un grounded unit with an antenna maybe 20 to 100 Mhz.

My experiments with grounded Tesla receiver setups tell me that the power received from one crystal set is a only a tiny small fraction of the transmitter input power, eg There is a commercial grounded AM transmitter working at 840 kHz with a power of 10 Kw about 15 kilometers from me, I can tune into that signal with a small table top Tesla type receiver and hear the radio with High impedance headphones without using any input power at my end, or I can use an amplifier and play the radio on a speaker setup, the signal received is in the order of tens of millivolts and tiny current not worth trying to measure.

Maybe if you define the transmitter type and the crystal radio type as well as how you would place the receivers as in distance from the transmitter ect. someone skilled in radio engineering might answer.

My intuition tells me that if the transmitter was surrounded by receivers the output of the receivers would be less than the output of the transmitter no matter how you do it. But I'm not a engineer in the field.

Other way is to try it and then try to measure the power out of all the receivers to the speakers (not an easy job).

However if you are close enough to a high power transmitter and can tune to it with a grounded receiver of some size you might get a fairly reasonable output at the expense of some loading to the transmitter.

Some people in past times used one crystal radio to receive power at one frequency to amplify the output of another crystal radio at another frequency to listen to.

Cheers

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 11, 2014, 08:25:15 AM
Good Evening All

Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4vzlW0Oxw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4vzlW0Oxw)
at 7.50min.s he shows the Ground copper plate wrapped around the inner plastic bobbin of an ETD, EE type core.
Also shows the wrap configuration that he uses:

We need someone to translate this to English Please.


lost_bro
[size=78%]He not get selfrunning, so why need translate? And he not corect maybe wound cuper tape. Tape must be betwen winings.[/size]
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 11, 2014, 09:43:30 AM
What is the range and type of the 0.5 Watt transmitter, (grounded conventional antenna, not grounded conventional antenna, Tesla style capacitive elevated terminal ? And what type of crystal radio receivers do you refer to, regular elevated wire antenna with ground or Tesla style grounded ?

Something like this maybe. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CZH-05B-0-5W-FM-transmitter-radio-broadcast-PLL-LCD-stereo-87-108mhz-/251354115717?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

I'm guessing it's a small un grounded unit with an antenna maybe 20 to 100 Mhz.

My experiments with grounded Tesla receiver setups tell me that the power received from one crystal set is a only a tiny small fraction of the transmitter input power, eg There is a commercial grounded AM transmitter working at 840 kHz with a power of 10 Kw about 15 kilometers from me, I can tune into that signal with a small table top Tesla type receiver and hear the radio with High impedance headphones without using any input power at my end, or I can use an amplifier and play the radio on a speaker setup, the signal received is in the order of tens of millivolts and tiny current not worth trying to measure.

Maybe if you define the transmitter type and the crystal radio type as well as how you would place the receivers as in distance from the transmitter ect. someone skilled in radio engineering might answer.

My intuition tells me that if the transmitter was surrounded by receivers the output of the receivers would be less than the output of the transmitter no matter how you do it. But I'm not a engineer in the field.

Other way is to try it and then try to measure the power out of all the receivers to the speakers (not an easy job).

However if you are close enough to a high power transmitter and can tune to it with a grounded receiver of some size you might get a fairly reasonable output at the expense of some loading to the transmitter.

Some people in past times used one crystal radio to receive power at one frequency to amplify the output of another crystal radio at another frequency to listen to.

Cheers

Many thanks for responding farmhand. What I was thinking was, can an extremely large number of AM crystal recievers placed around the 0.5 watt AM transmitter can suck all the power transmitted by the transmitter so that no more power is left in the transmitter to power even a single extra crystal receiever. I am refering to the properly earthed and arieled transmitter and crystal receivers.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thaelin on March 11, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
  Hey Grum:


   Count me for two ( 2) as I like to play.  PM me with a total
and a bit of cushion to make sure and where to. 

thay

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: ariovaldo on March 11, 2014, 05:07:42 PM
Dear All.

First price back in late today.

For a run of 10 PCB blanks i.e. just board, no components £5.00. To Groundloops template attached below.  This would come down slightly if more were ordered !!

I am still waiting for Farnell to come back with the component costs. 

I have also wound my transformer today and had a "Dummy run" with a PWM driving the primary. Nothing out of the ordinary to report.

Will keep you all posted, Cheers Grum.




Just let me know how to get that.
Thanks
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 11, 2014, 05:45:25 PM
He did not get it to self run, so why the need to translate?  And he did not correctly wind the copper tape. Tape must be between windings.
Also, this guy is using inductive wirewound power resistors that will block high frequency currents.   Such resistors are good only for DC and LF.

Both of those are significant construction differences.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 05:47:58 PM
[size=78%]He not get selfrunning, so why need translate? And he not corect maybe wound cuper tape. Tape must be betwen winings.[/size]

Hello:

Ok, I understand that it is NOT self running: but considering we need a suggestion on how to place the Ground Plate within the L1  & L2 coil, it is a start.

Please see attached purposed winding configuration for L1 & L2:

You say:  "Tape must be betwen winings"

OK, please suggest where and between which windings to place the Tape or Plate of Copper?

Thanks in advance.  Peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 05:53:10 PM
The author of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k) says that he does not know how, but his device powers a 200W LED flood light (to unknown brightness)  without any hidden batteries and hidden wires.

To analyze it properly, I need scopeshots of simultaneous current and voltage waveforms on both windings of the transformer/choke.

Hello:

Just a quick observation in regard to the above video:

The L1 and L2 leads, two for each winding are noted, makes a total of 4 leads between the Circuit board and the Transformer.

My question is :

Where is the single lead for the Ground Plate?

Is it hidden or is it NOT needed?

Thanks , peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 11, 2014, 06:06:55 PM
Hello:

Just a quick observation in regard to the above video:

The L1 and L2 leads, two for each winding are noted, makes a total of 4 leads between the Circuit board and the Transformer.

My question is :

Where is the single lead for the Ground Plate?

Is it hidden or is it NOT needed?

Thanks , peace
lost_bro

Dear lost_bro.

I too, noticed the absence of the shield!! In my preliminary tests with the transformer wound to the above posted schedule an external ground wire from a rod, not Supply industry ground. I found the storage capacitor drained faster !!

Some have suggested that this shield could pose as a "virtual ground" or collector ??

Going back to my original post and looking at the transformer presented on the schematic drawing. It DOES suggest that my schedule may be wrong . My reasoning behind this is because the starts and finishes are at either end not as mine, picture attached below.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 11, 2014, 07:43:39 PM
Hello:

Just a quick observation in regard to the above video:

The L1 and L2 leads, two for each winding are noted, makes a total of 4 leads between the Circuit board and the Transformer.

My question is :

Where is the single lead for the Ground Plate?

Is it hidden or is it NOT needed?

Thanks , peace
lost_bro

The plate could be connected on the bottom side??  If you look at the lower right corner.. you see one of the wires goes to the bottom side.

Edit: NM.. just realized you're talking about the transformer in the video.. didn't read carefully.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 11, 2014, 08:20:50 PM
The author of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k) says that he does not know how, but his device powers a 200W LED flood light (to unknown brightness)  without any hidden batteries and hidden wires.

To analyze it properly, I need scopeshots of simultaneous current and voltage waveforms on both windings of the transformer/choke.

So maybe someone who speaks russian can ask this guy how he wound his transformer and why we dont see a 5th wire, that is connected to the 1turn-coil/shield? I also wonder why he only needs 1 tiny heatsink for his build, this seems to me like there is only very small input power to primary coil. On photo of akula schematic there can be seen big cpu heatsink + cooler.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 11, 2014, 08:25:06 PM
btw, this seems to be the schematic he used, he posted link in comments: http://savepic.org/5111643.jpg
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 11, 2014, 08:28:26 PM
and here he seems to explain schematic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwCS15pRtH0&
really bad i not speak russian  :(
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 08:56:48 PM
So maybe someone who speaks russian can ask this guy how he wound his transformer and why we dont see a 5th wire, that is connected to the 1turn-coil/shield? I also wonder why he only needs 1 tiny heatsink for his build, this seems to me like there is only very small input power to primary coil. On photo of akula schematic there can be seen big cpu heatsink + cooler.

Hello From other Planet:

Yes, you are quite correct with the observation regarding the Heat Sink disparity;

Akula has a very large Fan cooled heat sink, which now poses another question related to powering that fan which cools the large heat sink:

Where does the fan's power come from?

Is it running also from the same circuit, and if so why does the schematic NOT show this connection?

I would assume that the fan is consuming at least a few watts of power, so it is an issue to be dealt with as well.

Thanks, peace
lost_bro

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 09:00:51 PM
btw, this seems to be the schematic he used, he posted link in comments: http://savepic.org/5111643.jpg

Hello From other Planet:

Yet another mystery to be dealt with:

The posted schematic from the U-tube channel does NOT match the Blurry Schematic shown in the Video of the Self- running TPU.

I could not guess why one schematic is shown in the video and another very different one is shown as a linked reference.

Thanks, peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 11, 2014, 09:40:30 PM
and here he seems to explain schematic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwCS15pRtH0& (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwCS15pRtH0&)
really bad i not speak russian  :(

Hi,

That video is nothing special as guy there tries to explain MOSFET driver operation and nothing is there about transformer or how to achieve OU effect..

Cheers!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 11, 2014, 09:42:35 PM
I wonder why the transistor gets so hot.  Heat is wasted energy.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: starcruiser on March 11, 2014, 10:04:49 PM
The plate could be connected on the bottom side??  If you look at the lower right corner.. you see one of the wires goes to the bottom side.

Edit: NM.. just realized you're talking about the transformer in the video.. didn't read carefully.


The one turn copper coil in the video was shorted, wouldn't work that way, insulate the two ends.

It also looks like the transformer pictured in your post 4tesla has s split core and split windings. Probably with a modified core to shunt the magnetic current.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 11, 2014, 10:52:28 PM
I wonder why the transistor gets so hot.  Heat is wasted energy.

It has been suggested that it (MOSFET) might run in Avalanche mode..... I have seen other Russian videos of self running devices that complain of excess heat dissipation from the MOSFETs; causing instability and as a result only permit the device to run for a very limited amount of time.

Yes, heat is a waste of energy if you don't need the heat for another process, in this case it is apparently  the result of the process we are chasing.....

peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 11, 2014, 11:04:42 PM
It has been suggested that it (MOSFET) might run in Avalanche mode..... I have seen other Russian videos of self running devices that complain of excess heat dissipation from the MOSFETs; causing instability and as a result only permit the device to run for a very limited amount of time.

Yes, heat is a waste of energy if you don't need the heat for another process, in this case it is apparently  the result of the process we are chasing.....

peace
lost_bro

Oh it is a MOSFET.. my bad.  Strange as it is rated at 110A.  Being a 30W circuit you would think it would be only about 3A going through the circuit.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 11, 2014, 11:27:51 PM
Dear All.

I can confirm your suspicions as regards the transistor getting hot. It get's REALLY hot!!

I have spent the greater part of this evening trying various frequencies and m/s ratios whilst dumping the output through a super fast FWBR. In fact I got better results connected the other way round !!This was accidental on my part but the results were definitely interesting. Even with a step down ratio the scope was seeing 50 V pulses and a ringdown. Holding the circuit run for up to a couple of seconds.

May I courteously suggest that you guys should make the transformer and try driving with a PWM device as per T-1000's earlier post. A few more stabs with different coil configurations might just see a breakthrough??!!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 11, 2014, 11:28:51 PM
I found this one FDP030N06 rated at 193A.. are there any rated higher?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 11, 2014, 11:42:19 PM
I think this is the max.. not sure.  FDP025N06 265A !!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Farmhand on March 12, 2014, 01:35:57 AM
The author of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k) says that he does not know how, but his device powers a 200W LED flood light (to unknown brightness)  without any hidden batteries and hidden wires.

To analyze it properly, I need scopeshots of simultaneous current and voltage waveforms on both windings of the transformer/choke.

Come on guys I could fake that video easy ! This guy doesn't show the back of the wooden board, and the transformer seems to be attached to the board, it doesn't seem to move to me. he should be able to move it a couple of inches but he doesn't, he doesn't move the circuit board either.

Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k

What are the chances he has a third winding on the transformer and the ends of that winding go through the wooden board to a high frequency inverter or pulsing circuit to power the transformer, then the circuit blocks the transformer output from going directly to the light until the circuit is energized to effect switching there so then the transformer  powers the circuit by being itself powered by another supply.

Or some wires could be connected to the back of the circuit board simply with another battery providing the 12 volts or whatever he wants for the power circuit (which in turn supplies the switching circuit once the switching is started by the visible battery).

Or he could have 3 x 12 volt batteries directly powering the LED after the circuit starts. Easy to fake.

Cheers

P.S. I really see no point, but I could set up a 200 Watt fake to the standard he shows, If people keep referring to the video I probably will.

..



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 12, 2014, 01:52:26 AM
Come on guys I could fake that video easy ! This guy doesn't show the back of the wooden board, and the transformer seems to be attached to the board, it doesn't seem to move to me. he should be able to move it a couple of inches but he doesn't, he doesn't move the circuit board either.

Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k)

What are the chances he has a third winding on the transformer and the ends of that winding go through the wooden board to a high frequency inverter or pulsing circuit to power the transformer, then the circuit blocks the transformer output from going directly to the light until the circuit is energized to effect switching there so then the transformer  powers the circuit by being itself powered by another supply.

Or some wires could be connected to the back of the circuit board simply with another battery providing the 12 volts or whatever he wants for the power circuit (which in turn supplies the switching circuit once the switching is started by the visible battery).

Or he could have 3 x 12 volt batteries directly powering the LED after the circuit starts. Easy to fake.

Cheers

P.S. I really see no point, but I could set up a 200 Watt fake to the standard he shows, If people keep referring to the video I probably will.

..
Trollin trollin where's your troll buddy's
I have a novel idea maybe try and make it work, wow who would of ever thought.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 12, 2014, 02:42:54 AM
Trollin trollin where's your troll buddy's
I have a novel idea maybe try and make it work, wow who would of ever thought.
HA HA
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 12, 2014, 02:47:49 AM
Dear All.

I can confirm your suspicions as regards the transistor getting hot. It get's REALLY hot!!

I have spent the greater part of this evening trying various frequencies and m/s ratios whilst dumping the output through a super fast FWBR. In fact I got better results connected the other way round !!This was accidental on my part but the results were definitely interesting. Even with a step down ratio the scope was seeing 50 V pulses and a ringdown. Holding the circuit run for up to a couple of seconds.

May I courteously suggest that you guys should make the transformer and try driving with a PWM device as per T-1000's earlier post. A few more stabs with different coil configurations might just see a breakthrough??!!

Cheers Grum.

Good evening Grumage:

OK, in relation to the really HOT!!! MOSFET; this is some info that I use when winding GDT's:

Saturation flux density is how much magnetic flux the magnetic core can handle before becoming saturated and not able to hold any more. This depends on several factors including ferrite type, temperature and electrical and magnetic conditions on the transformer.

When the ferrite saturates, the transformer no longer acts like an inductor with a linear increase in current over time. Rather, the magnetic field cannot increase further and current is limited by the source impedance of the power supply and the resistance of the transformer wire.

This leads to very large currents- Very HOT MOSFETs and blown devices. This is a Bad Thing.

Ferrite typically saturates at a flux density (B) about 0.3 Tesla but this depends on temperature and the ferrite type. A typical design might have as a target a B = 0.25T at 125ºC which gives plenty of operating margin to the limits.

 The formula for flux density is

B = ( V x t ) / ( N x Ae )

where:
B = flux denstiy in Tesla
V = applied Voltage to the winding in Volts
t = time that Volts V is applied for in seconds
Ae = cross sectional area of the core in m^2 - obtainable from the core datasheet

If this were an inductor carrying a DC component, the DC current would play a significant part in calculating the saturation.

I usually use a DC blocking capacitor in the primary side of the GDT to eliminate the DC component and thus avoid alot of the issues involved (flux walking).

The main thing to take from this equation is that for a given core and frequency there is a minimum number of turns that can be used without saturating the core. So, to avoid saturation, use more than the minimum number of turns.

So I have wound many GDTs that have overheated the driver circuit just for the above mentioned fact:  When the core saturates, it acts as a DEAD short and MOSFETS don't like that..... yes it is a balancing act between minimizing the leakage inductance, the minimum number of windings permitted and core saturation and of course maintaining an acceptable wave form...

So looking at the plan for the winds on the XFMR, could be that for the type of Ferrite involved, you don't have sufficient windings on it to avoid saturation.

Just a thought.

Take care, peace
lost_bro

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 12, 2014, 03:36:38 AM
Come on guys I could fake that video easy !
So could I.
I was merely translating what the author was saying.

Without scopeshots it is not possible to analyze the credibility of this video nor its MO.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 12, 2014, 04:10:38 AM
This leads to very large currents- Very HOT MOSFETs and blown devices. This is a Bad Thing.

The main thing to take from this equation is that for a given core and frequency there is a minimum number of turns that can be used without saturating the core. So, to avoid saturation, use more than the minimum number of turns.

So I have wound many GDTs that have overheated the driver circuit just for the above mentioned fact:  When the core saturates, it acts as a DEAD short and MOSFETS don't like that..... yes it is a balancing act between minimizing the leakage inductance, the minimum number of windings permitted and core saturation and of course maintaining an acceptable wave form...


Thank you so much!  A lot of good and helpful info there.  So do you think having a higher amp rating won't make a difference since it is this shorting that is causing it to over heat?  Is it possible that saturation of the core is what makes this thing work?  How about the 1W toroid transformer.. do we know if it had a ferrite core?

Thanks
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 12, 2014, 04:33:36 AM
Thank you so much!  A lot of good and helpful info there.  So do you think having a higher amp rating won't make a difference since it is this shorting that is causing it to over heat?  Is it possible that saturation of the core is what makes this thing work?  How about the 1W toroid transformer.. do we know if it had a ferrite core?

Thanks

I guess the short answer is related to the actual problem>    If it is related to saturation of the core, it is directly related to the core permeability, core size and winding ratios .....  and the core permeablility can be changed by changing the core material.

All the ETD cores that I have here now are PC40 TDK material.
I do not know what Grumage used for the core material, I would have to pull out the charts to see how that all works out...

take care, peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 12, 2014, 04:42:59 AM
Here is a link to Ramans fuelless generator, posting it here as am not active on Kapanazde thread.

http://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://cyberenergy.ru/generator-kapanadze/beztoplivniy-generator-raman-t338.html&prev=/search?q%3Dhttp://cyberenergy.ru/generator-kapanadze/beztoplivniy-generator-raman-t338.html%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D800

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: ilya-ship on March 12, 2014, 06:10:50 AM
Here is the circuit before it disappears from YT.  ;)

Best,

This circuit has no relevance to this topic.
This is the beginning of my work on the circuit http://savepic.org/5171238.png (http://savepic.org/5171238.png)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 12, 2014, 09:13:38 AM
Come on guys I could fake that video easy ! This guy doesn't show the back of the wooden board, and the transformer seems to be attached to the board, it doesn't seem to move to me. he should be able to move it a couple of inches but he doesn't, he doesn't move the circuit board either.

Video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k)

What are the chances he has a third winding on the transformer and the ends of that winding go through the wooden board to a high frequency inverter or pulsing circuit to power the transformer, then the circuit blocks the transformer output from going directly to the light until the circuit is energized to effect switching there so then the transformer  powers the circuit by being itself powered by another supply.


The circuit board is most likely pinned down at the top LHS corner by 'X' wires soldered to the board near the battery croc clip.

Posted by Wattsup on OU Research forum: -

Regardless of who made the Akula0083 video, the video IS faked. There is simply no way a circuit board would stay in one place like that with all the manoeuvring he did.

So to confirm this, I did a small screen capture using my virtualdubmod program to show you directly. Because the file is too big to post here and I did not want to upload this video into my youtube channel, I put it on my ftp web site here...
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/possible-fakes/akula0083/ (http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/possible-fakes/akula0083/)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 12, 2014, 12:09:30 PM
The circuit board is most likely pinned down at the top LHS corner by 'X' wires soldered to the board near the battery croc clip.

Posted by Wattsup on OU Research forum: -

Regardless of who made the Akula0083 video, the video IS faked. There is simply no way a circuit board would stay in one place like that with all the manoeuvring he did.

So to confirm this, I did a small screen capture using my virtualdubmod program to show you directly. Because the file is too big to post here and I did not want to upload this video into my youtube channel, I put it on my ftp web site here...
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/possible-fakes/akula0083/ (http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/possible-fakes/akula0083/)
Are you trying to convince people its fake so we wont build it, forget it, we'r tired of listening to you guy's.
Take it to another thread
And take the other trolls with you
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 12, 2014, 12:27:13 PM
if Akulas devices work, why and how ignorant are electronics people in universities and laboratories were not to see that a system can be selflooped like this?
is this a true hiding scene from the professionals or just total fakery?
see, they can build laptops computers with very complicated electronics, and ridicoluosly complicated measurement devices, and why not an akula device?  comparing an akula device to a laptops inner circuitry shows that akulas is ridicoluosly simple, yet there were not even a single occasion where professionals encountered this anomaly by mistake?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 12, 2014, 12:27:51 PM
Im going to try the 80 watt schematic its much simpler and I believe shows the principle of operation.
This is the schematic, Ramero added the diode between the two coils.
One way to wind the transformer is like V8carlos did, you may have a look at his work I think its related.
Personally I think the coils would work better separated then electrostatics and ionization come into the picture.
Please continue
All the best to everyone
dave
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 12, 2014, 12:46:48 PM
if Akulas devices work, why and how ignorant are electronics people in universities and laboratories were not to see that a system can be selflooped like this?
is this a true hiding scene from the professionals or just total fakery?
see, they can build laptops computers with very complicated electronics, and ridicoluosly complicated measurement devices, and why not an akula device?  comparing an akula device to a laptops inner circuitry shows that akulas is ridicoluosly simple, yet there were not even a single occasion where professionals encountered this anomaly by mistake?
Its called corporate property plus a big fat paycheck and threat of jail time for revealing secrets, anything you find while in their employment is their property, even if you do it after work.
I worked for an aircraft company installing the electrical parts in the plane and it was this way, anything you discover belongs to them, period.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 12, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
if Akulas devices work, why and how ignorant are electronics people in universities and laboratories were not to see that a system can be selflooped like this?
is this a true hiding scene from the professionals or just total fakery?
see, they can build laptops computers with very complicated electronics, and ridicoluosly complicated measurement devices, and why not an akula device?  comparing an akula device to a laptops inner circuitry shows that akulas is ridicoluosly simple, yet there were not even a single occasion where professionals encountered this anomaly by mistake?
I don't think it is a matter of ignorance, but just using what they were taught, without thinking of anything else. But let me remind you that science evolves. There was a time that the Earth was flat and the Sun turned around it. Everybody accepts that energy can be dissipated into the ambient: light a match and let it extinguish. Where did that energy go? Into the ambient, and nobody is concerned about that, it is an accepted concept. Now, why can't you reverse, somehow, this process, grabbing that energy that is all over the ambient? I think that is what we are trying to accomplish here. A dream? It might be a good one!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 12, 2014, 01:09:09 PM
Its called corporate property plus a big fat paycheck and threat of jail time for revealing secrets, anything you find while in their employment is their property, even if you do it after work.
I worked for an aircraft company installing the electrical parts in the plane and it was this way, anything you discover belongs to them, period.
why and what do they fear dave?   they fear that we get out of hands? 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 12, 2014, 01:33:31 PM
They fear a free thinking individual mind
they fear loss of control,
we feed them and their corruption
they fear we wont need them anymore

God made us free
We are free even in prison, its a state of mind
Someday I will be free of this body and world, I hope to have helped others before I leave.
You can not take anything with you, only your deeds, whether good or bad.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 12, 2014, 01:36:39 PM

L2 is a one turn plate surrounding the transformer. It has a gap in it like a 9/10 turn.
It's purpose is to introduce the Tesla's radiant energy receiver into the circuit.
It is an electrostatic device and follows the rules of electrostatic induction.
It is therefore not subject to the laws of electromagnetic induction which is always cop <1.
It is subject to the laws of electrostatic induction which is cop = 2 minus system losses.
The naysayers should learn their physics.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 12, 2014, 01:41:21 PM
The purpose of the gap in the core is to double the frequency of the wires covering the gap.
It also introduces electrostatic bursts which are picked up by the built in Tesla radiant energy receiver.
The purpose of the way over the top rated mosfets is to handle the electrostatic bursts without blowing the
transistors.
Electrostatic induction is cop 2 minus system losses.
The naysayers should go back to school and learn their physics.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 12, 2014, 01:45:10 PM
Here is a simplified diagram so that you can understand the principle.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 12, 2014, 01:58:53 PM
L2 is a one turn plate surrounding the transformer. It has a gap in it like a 9/10 turn.
It's purpose is to introduce the Tesla's radiant energy receiver into the circuit.
It is an electrostatic device and follows the rules of electrostatic induction.
It is therefore not subject to the laws of electromagnetic induction which is always cop <1.
It is subject to the laws of electrostatic induction which is cop = 2 minus system losses.
The naysayers should learn their physics.
Agreed, It works like an ionization plate drawing energy to the coil, think ion cloud.
The energy fluctuates but this plate keeps an electrostatic charge that draws energy to the coil adding a diode here would be worth a try.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 12, 2014, 02:44:25 PM
They fear a free thinking individual mind
they fear loss of control,
we feed them and their corruption
they fear we wont need them anymore

God made us free
We are free even in prison, its a state of mind
Someday I will be free of this body and world, I hope to have helped others before I leave.
You can not take anything with you, only your deeds, whether good or bad.
reading your writings , many visualizations came :  all transmission lines could be demolished and the copper and other metals turned to make these devices for homes.
if we have ''energy"  we could make vehicles that float freely in the air and use no emmissions.  end of cars.
free - energy   -  we can make free production of food. 
there are those who think about this free energy maybe as a weapon.
out of 7 billion, how many could think that way?
god made us free.   so many are free to do what they want including bad things.
what will happen?...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 12, 2014, 02:53:15 PM
The powers that be already have these devices only the poor dont,

pump water for gardens, light, heat home and family, free transportation

there are and will always be people who use tools for evil we cannot change that

we all take our deeds with us when this physical existence has played out.

 just a caterpillar who hopes to someday be a butterfly.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: wattsup on March 12, 2014, 03:16:02 PM
Regarding the copper plate issue, if it is supposed to attract radiant energy, then why is it connected directly to ground? Because it is not what you say. If it was a radiant energy collector, it would have a dedicated  radiant energy collector circuit and a dioded capacitor tank instead of just dumping to ground. At most this plate is used to speed up the rebias of the copper atoms in the secondary coil to neutral, so when the primary hits again, you get maximum atomic swing hence maximum potential difference. Just pulse any primary and check the secondary, then add a grounded copper strip around the windings and see if there is any output difference at the same or different pulse frequency.

Also if the copper plate was again a radiant energy collector, from my experience it will only collect at a specific frequency that is most likely impossible to match to the primary frequency that should have already been matched to maximize output on the secondary. Of course you can always hunt around to find a primary frequency that will eventually work on both the plate and secondary but figure you will be in the 20MHZ and above range and at that frequency, you will be producing only enough reactive power to maybe light up a firefly. 

wattsup

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: starcruiser on March 12, 2014, 04:35:07 PM
IS that copper plate a radiant energy collector, a shield, a reflector or a plate in a capacitor?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 12, 2014, 05:17:12 PM
if i would have the parts i would have assembled this circuit in 5 minutes on a breadboard and make tests,    i dont have the parts nor the money for them, who has them? and who is going to prove it works?
Is there anyone here who is an electronics engineer by profession and have looked at the circuit?
there seems to be many errors in it.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 12, 2014, 07:16:21 PM
Dave , I read your post. Really inspiring but people like Zilano and kdkinin etc just vanish from public forums once they have a working device. Humans never share their secrets because of greed and ego. Many examples galore. People join forums, learn, make and vanish, they never share their success. Others turn to fakery to gain importance. Human logic is stupid. Even dogs are better.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 12, 2014, 07:21:49 PM
I think shield plate is used as in other DC-DC converters to eliminate EMI. Maybe by using not closed one it acts also differently who knows ? I bet you heard about radio waves collector with antenna germanium diodes and capacitors ?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 12, 2014, 07:32:09 PM
I guess the short answer is related to the actual problem>    If it is related to saturation of the core, it is directly related to the core permeability, core size and winding ratios .....  and the core permeablility can be changed by changing the core material.

All the ETD cores that I have here now are PC40 TDK material.
I do not know what Grumage used for the core material, I would have to pull out the charts to see how that all works out...

take care, peace
lost_bro

Dear lost_bro.

I did post the core material I was using on page one. Here is the link to that post.      http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391374/#msg391374

Wow, page 12 already !! I hope it doesn't turn into another Kapanadze thread !! ;D

I would like to ask politely that the members of this forum who are not seriously interested in pursuing this Akula device to refrain from posting their concerns about the validity or viability of this device.
Let those of us Don Quixote's who wish to chase windmills, get on with the task !! You can say, I told you so !! When the time comes !!  ;D

Back to business.

Could one of the more experienced electronics guys explain, in "Layman's" terms, what Avalanche mode means ?? I myself have only a basic knowledge of electronics, this would help me and I am sure a few others as well !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 12, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
I agree that fully avalanche rated mosfet is the key. I don't completly understood this avalanche mode but I feel it may be explained as a breakdown of p-n junction like that occuring in diodes when overvoltage happen. In most cases it causes damage to diode but certain classes are immune to it (zener diodes) . Avalanche mosfets IMHO may be classified as mosfets with zener diode behaviour.
Just my opinion. The main factor is the real avalanche operation is differrently maintained by different mosfet producers , as afar as I know the best would be fully avalanche rated mosfet.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 12, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
Dave , I read your post. Really inspiring but people like Zilano and kdkinin etc just vanish from public forums once they have a working device. Humans never share their secrets because of greed and ego. Many examples galore. People join forums, learn, make and vanish, they never share their success. Others turn to fakery to gain importance. Human logic is stupid. Even dogs are better.

Best,


Zilano NEVER had a working device.  She just copy & paste information.
She NEVER showed a pic or video or measurements.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 12, 2014, 11:29:11 PM
Dear All.

I have some good news to report!!  :)

Using the T-1000 winding configuration posted here.   http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391561/#msg391561

I have been able to create parallel ringing between pulses. Using between 5 and 10% duty on my PWM, frequency set at 5 KHz and very careful gap adjustment you can alter the pulse from a total ringdown to a linear ring!!

What is even better, no transistor warming!!  More tests to follow !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 12, 2014, 11:30:57 PM
The plate does not collect energy it works as an ionizing electrode drawing energy from the ambient.
Read up on ionizers, air purifier's, static eliminators, ion clouds.
This is why I suggested the diode, you want this plate to hold a high negative charge, this draws positive ions from the ambient.
This is what I like about the 80 watt device, with the coils separated an ionizer circuit could be added to the device with a pos electrode on one choke and a neg electrode on the other choke.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 13, 2014, 12:48:25 AM
Dear All.

I have some good news to report!!  :)

Using the T-1000 winding configuration posted here.   http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391561/#msg391561 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391561/#msg391561)

I have been able to create parallel ringing between pulses. Using between 5 and 10% duty on my PWM, frequency set at 5 KHz and very careful gap adjustment you can alter the pulse from a total ringdown to a linear ring!!

What is even better, no transistor warming!!  More tests to follow !!

Cheers Grum.
That's Awesome Grum!!!

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 13, 2014, 01:15:46 AM
Dear All.

I have some good news to report!!  :)

Using the T-1000 winding configuration posted here.   http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391561/#msg391561

I have been able to create parallel ringing between pulses. Using between 5 and 10% duty on my PWM, frequency set at 5 KHz and very careful gap adjustment you can alter the pulse from a total ringdown to a linear ring!!

What is even better, no transistor warming!!  More tests to follow !!

Cheers Grum.

Good day Grumage

Thats is very interesting news, can you post a screen shot of your O-scope of the 'Linear' ringing?
I will like to see that info.

What we want to see is the famous 'Don Smith' ringing waveform that opens up and expands both positive and negative as it rings.  This would represent oscillations in sync with the driving frequency and the inductive/capacitive reactance of the circuit involved = resonant behavior.

I believe that obtaining the 'Linear' waveform is the first step of the process in obtaining this 'Don Smith' expanding waveform.

Take care, peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 13, 2014, 01:48:08 AM
Good day Grumage

Thats is very interesting news, can you post a screen shot of your O-scope of the 'Linear' ringing?
I will like to see that info.

What we want to see is the famous 'Don Smith' ringing waveform that opens up and expands both positive and negative as it rings.  This would represent oscillations in sync with the driving frequency and the inductive/capacitive reactance of the circuit involved = resonant behavior.

I believe that obtaining the 'Linear' waveform is the first step of the process in obtaining this 'Don Smith' expanding waveform.

Take care, peace
lost_bro

uhm that famous Don Smith expanding can be seen very easily: Just charge capacitor with hv transformer + diode(s) and discharge cap through spark gap to ur DS primary or whatever. If u now place scope probe close to diode or cap or leads u will see the expanding waveform(trumpet form), i have done it many times. Sadly it alone is not OU. Its just the cap being charged and thus maximum voltage rising... after spark discharge a new trumpet develops...
There may be other scenarios of course where u see trumpet wave and it IS an indicator of OU
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 02:04:13 AM

Zilano NEVER had a working device.  She just copy & paste information.
She NEVER showed a pic or video or measurements.

Thats exactly what I said, she never showed her work to anyone, deleted all her posts and vanished from the forum. When will someone do that ? A faceless internet character doesnt do that until they have a working device and want to hide something.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 02:14:45 AM
uhm that famous Don Smith expanding can be seen very easily: Just charge capacitor with hv transformer + diode(s) and discharge cap through spark gap to ur DS primary or whatever. If u now place scope probe close to diode or cap or leads u will see the expanding waveform(trumpet form), i have done it many times. Sadly it alone is not OU. Its just the cap being charged and thus maximum voltage rising... after spark discharge a new trumpet develops...
There may be other scenarios of course where u see trumpet wave and it IS an indicator of OU

Successful resonant magnetic coupling might be the key to overunity. But not easy to achieve. Just my 2 cents.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 13, 2014, 02:17:46 AM
uhm that famous Don Smith expanding can be seen very easily: Just charge capacitor with hv transformer + diode(s) and discharge cap through spark gap to ur DS primary or whatever. If u now place scope probe close to diode or cap or leads u will see the expanding waveform(trumpet form), i have done it many times. Sadly it alone is not OU. Its just the cap being charged and thus maximum voltage rising... after spark discharge a new trumpet develops...
There may be other scenarios of course where u see trumpet wave and it IS an indicator of OU

Hello From other Planet

Yes, you are correct.....
And a SG will generate a VERY broad spectrum of frequency range as a driving signal.   Contained within that  wide frequency range that your SG generates with each spark, there will be the principle frequency or at least harmonics of the principle frequency that your Tesla coil or DS coil is tuned to:

So in essence a SG is a Hit and Miss proposition at best, being of a wide frequency band you will inadvertently hit your mark.  The SG is NOT tuned to the rest of the system,  of course the Primary and Secondary of such a system should be tune to resonate at the SAME frequency.

Edit;  yes, Telsa did use a rotary SG and HG-SG to modulate frequency of his Spark , and even still the SG is a dirty signal at best...

Now design a SS circuit with precise frequency control, which operates at a very narrow frequency range (ie: 1x10e-6 Hz) and try again to generate the Trumpet waveform......

You must have  the inductive and capacitive reactance of your tuned system canceling at the precise frequency ( or maybe harmonics of ) of your driving circuit which power the gate of your driving MOSFET (s).

This TPU circuit does not utilize a wide frequency SG, it is using single frequency which must hit the mark precisely or it will NOT ring properly.

And yes, the trumpet waveform in and of itself does NOT signify OU......  but we must start somewhere.  I personally believe that it is how you use this trumpet waveform that can catalyze OU.

Please see attached pic of Waveform of Charging and Discharging of Capacitor, usually requires 4TC to reach apogee of charge, this is NOT the Don Smith wave form I am discussing.

On the other hand the Trumpet voltage waveform indicates voltage amplitude which increases with time,  this is an indicator of a system tuned to resonance.  A very different scenario from the posted below standard Charge and Discharge pic. of a capacitor which is NOT part of a system in resonance.

Take care, peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 13, 2014, 03:25:16 AM
Thats exactly what I said, she never showed her work to anyone, deleted all her posts and vanished from the forum. When will someone do that ? A faceless internet character doesnt do that until they have a working device and want to hide something.

Best,

Except Zilano NEVER build anything. 
All she did was copy & paste other peoples work.
Show me one pic of a device that SHE built. 
You can't because she didn't build anything.
Every time I and others challenged her she would delete her posts and move to a different thread to start again.
She was also on other forums like energeticforum.
She scammed you guys.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 03:38:12 AM
I am wondering why would anyone behave like she did.  :-\ :-\ :-\

I read somewhere she has a 10kw device powering her home. If all is untrue, why she wasted hers and others time and effort on the forums.

I hate the sucker b!t€h.

Best,

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 04:13:13 AM
Consider for a moment how long worldly triumphs last. They are but the play of the scintillating name and form of the Divine, which is the core of every being. Earn the vision that sees the Divine inherent in all. We are not troubled when something is good; only when something is bad. This is because the goodness in us is natural. In our evil aberration, we are worried and alarmed when we slide into wrong or pain or sorrow. This is because nature plans us to be right, to be happy and ever in a state of joy. It is a pity that man has lost his understanding of this basic Truth.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 13, 2014, 04:47:59 AM
just for clarification: this is waveform i was talking about: http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/99482/image// (not my picture, i didnt have any right now)

@Google: Those are some harsh words, in my oppinion no one has a right to judge another person unless he has walked in her shoes.
I agree though that a lot of information from Zilano didnt make really sense. I also was in contact with her over on energetic forum and sadly she couldnt help me or others to succesful replicate the Don Smith Devices. But perhaps we just didnt understand her right or were just unlucky, i dont know....
One guy over on energetic succeeded on DS replica, at least he said. He claimed he just folllowed exactly all DS notes and the critical part, that made it work, was an additional transformer after the big capacitor Output bank, which he said showed extreme cooling and heating effects (the trafo, not the caps)
Kdkinen(kurt, mrclean) also made a succesful replication of DS, but his gain was not that much, maybe 10-20Watt
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 13, 2014, 04:52:22 AM
STOP THE PHILOSOPHICAL RUBBISH ITS ABOUT PHYSICS ENERGY HEALTH AND SAFETY !!! Not ignorance !!! Go to god and ask him is it ok to play with something you cant understand even if it may kill someone you don't know just because you want to experience the exotic energy within ?? Some thing can not be told for if the truth was to be as loud as you than a seed of it may grow into a very thorny bush ... God mad a single cell to grow into a monkey over billions of years than when the monkey was ready he grew into a man ! Even God has a health and safety protocol ! And let me tel you if you know what I do than you wont talk gibberish .... Play with something you understand that is no dangerous !

Nanobot     

so, if ur that knowing, show us the photo or schematic of ur working AND SAFE device. Im curious about it...........
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: DilJalaay on March 13, 2014, 05:04:53 AM
just for clarification: this is waveform i was talking about: http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/99482/image// (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/99482/image//) (not my picture, i didnt have any right now)

@Google: Those are some harsh words, in my oppinion no one has a right to judge another person unless he has walked in her shoes.
I agree though that a lot of information from Zilano didnt make really sense. I also was in contact with her over on energetic forum and sadly she couldnt help me or others to succesful replicate the Don Smith Devices. But perhaps we just didnt understand her right or were just unlucky, i dont know....
One guy over on energetic succeeded on DS replica, at least he said. He claimed he just folllowed exactly all DS notes and the critical part, that made it work, was an additional transformer after the big capacitor Output bank, which he said showed extreme cooling and heating effects (the trafo, not the caps)
Kdkinen(kurt, mrclean) also made a succesful replication of DS, but his gain was not that much, maybe 10-20Watt
May i asked which one guy succeeded on DS replication, as i followed the thread from the beginning, but never find one except Mr.Clean.


Cheers,
D.J
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: DilJalaay on March 13, 2014, 05:10:31 AM
Stop it ! Look else where ! this thing has a hidden demon I can not mention ! But a health and safety report is being made and the line monitor here know about it ....

Nanobot


@Atomaxx, Nano,


If you are really sincere for our health and the world, please show us your finding step by step here in this forum.
"Safe free energy for dummies". without asking to join your village team or register to your website etc etc..


I bet you can not...so leave us alone.


 ??? 
D.J


(Desk Jokey) 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 13, 2014, 05:14:34 AM
@DilJalaay, his name was something like stoker_x1 or so. He also made some interesting posts in forum from soundiceuk and bruce perreault, sadly i forgot the url for that forum, if u find it please write it to me!  :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 06:21:47 AM
STOP THE PHILOSOPHICAL RUBBISH ITS ABOUT PHYSICS ENERGY HEALTH AND SAFETY !!! Not ignorance !!! Go to god and ask him is it ok to play with something you cant understand even if it may kill someone you don't know just because you want to experience the exotic energy within ?? Some thing can not be told for if the truth was to be as loud as you than a seed of it may grow into a very thorny bush ... God mad a single cell to grow into a monkey over billions of years than when the monkey was ready he grew into a man ! Even God has a health and safety protocol ! And let me tel you if you know what I do than you wont talk gibberish .... Play with something you understand that is no dangerous !

Nanobot     

Where does health and safety come into play with a 30 watt device. Do you mean spark gaps ?

Do you really think a small device can kill because of its exotic energy ?

Truth about human life is that we havent evolved from monkeys. Darwin in just a theory that suited him. Man is an intelligent creation, not evolved from apes. Man is gifted with intellect and animals are not. Thats the difference. Man has free will, not progammed like animals.

Physics is not exotic, just laws observed over last 2 centuries and written down. New laws can be discovered and older ones can be modified based on scientific research.

I am yet to take notice of a SINGLE "exotic energy" device by fringe scientists. Please dont mix Physics with science quackery.

BTW where do you work ? Area 51 ?

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 13, 2014, 08:13:55 AM
I wonder why nanobot popped up here  ???   What we are working on is simply a flyback type DC-DC converter , nothing strange at all. Just a proper EMI shield around like a copper hat on all transformer to ground and we are safe. The dangers are the same as around 30W CB radio transmitter.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 10:22:29 AM
I wonder why nanobot popped up here  ???   What we are working on is simply a flyback type DC-DC converter , nothing strange at all. Just a proper EMI shield around like a copper hat on all transformer to ground and we are safe. The dangers are the same as around 30W CB radio transmitter.

Just ignore him, its the same old wine in a new bottle.  ;D ;D

Just another atommix or dr bob. >:(

Misinformant confuser. Post doctorate fellow in Exotic Energy from NASA working at Area 51.  ;D

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 13, 2014, 10:58:02 AM
DJ,

Here is one link, you might have to search http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-286.html

It has very clear pics. But no one knows if they are working or just concept devices. Soundiceuk has all the info on it.

Best,



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 13, 2014, 02:24:52 PM
I have been able to create parallel ringing between pulses. Using between 5 and 10% duty on my PWM, frequency set at 5 KHz and very careful gap adjustment you can alter the pulse from a total ringdown to a linear ring!!
Do you mean that you can alter the decay envelope from an inverse exponential curve to a horizontal line and obtain an infinite ringdown time without an external energy supply ?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 04:25:35 PM
Do you mean that you can alter the decay envelope from an inverse exponential curve to a horizontal line and obtain an infinite ringdown time without an external energy supply ?

Dear Verpies.

Wouldn't that be wonderful ??  :)

No I'm afraid not. Just what you see attached with the 12Vdc applied constantly.

cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 13, 2014, 04:43:58 PM
Dear Verpies.

Wouldn't that be wonderful ??  :)

No I'm afraid not. Just what you see attached with the 12Vdc applied constantly.

cheers Grum.
Hi Grum,
Do you have a load attached?
Cheers,

Black Bird
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 13, 2014, 05:05:44 PM
Dear Verpies.

Wouldn't that be wonderful ??  :)

No I'm afraid not. Just what you see attached with the 12Vdc applied constantly.

cheers Grum.

Hello Grumage
Thanks for the pic.

OK, can you measure the ringing period , and apply that frequency as the driving signal?

I would assume that the ringing period/frequency shown in your 0-scope shot is the Resonant frequency of your system.

Take care, peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: ctbenergy on March 13, 2014, 05:59:08 PM
@DilJalaay, his name was something like stoker_x1 or so. He also made some interesting posts in forum from soundiceuk and bruce perreault, sadly i forgot the url for that forum, if u find it please write it to me!  :)

posts from stocker_x1 on www.energeticforum.com and www.energy.team-talk.net

a little side note, he buy a few parts on ebay :)

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 06:15:29 PM
Dear All.

I will try to answer some questions.

Dear Black_Bird.

No load, just the output rectified and put back to the input. Please correct me if I am wrong, if I have read the circuit correctly the load is applied off the primary of the transformer. This leves the secondary to help with recuperation ??

Dear lost_bro.

Not quite with you on that one ?? The frequency of 4.91 KHz seems to be where the ring is best. I used the cursor to measure the start of the pulse and the start of the next one. As you can see the duty cycle is very small!! Please elaborate !!  :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 13, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
posts from stocker_x1 on www.energeticforum.com (http://www.energeticforum.com) and www.energy.team-talk.net (http://www.energy.team-talk.net)

a little side note, he buy a few parts on ebay :)

Thank u very much!!!!!!!!!!!  :)

But maybe we should move this discussion to another thread, as this was meant for the 30W akula device i guess  ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 13, 2014, 07:26:32 PM

Dear Black_Bird.

No load, just the output rectified and put back to the input. Please correct me if I am wrong, if I have read the circuit correctly the load is applied off the primary of the transformer. This leaves the secondary to help with recuperation ??

Cheers Grum.
Grum - What schematic are you working from?
Can you post a copy of it?

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 07:29:52 PM
Grum - What schematic are you working from?
Can you post a copy of it?

Dear Don.

As requested !!  :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 13, 2014, 07:37:45 PM
Dear All.

I will try to answer some questions.

Dear Black_Bird.

No load, just the output rectified and put back to the input. Please correct me if I am wrong, if I have read the circuit correctly the load is applied off the primary of the transformer. This leaves the secondary to help with recuperation ??

Dear lost_bro.

Not quite with you on that one ?? The frequency of 4.91 KHz seems to be where the ring is best. I used the cursor to measure the start of the pulse and the start of the next one. As you can see the duty cycle is very small!! Please elaborate !!  :)

Cheers Grum.

Good day Grum:

OK please see attached pic:

The frequency of the ringing refers to the actual cycles (frequency) of the small component of the waveform which I have circled in RED.

When you ping a tuned circuit with just ONE pulse, ( single pulse generator for example) you will generate a response in time with the LC (LCR) constant of that circuit.

Long story short:  the ringing of the faster (smaller) waveform within the larger (slower) 4.91Khz wave, is closer to the actual Resonant frequency of that system.

Measure the frequency of the small (faster) waveform and use that faster (higher ) frequency to pulse the system.

Let me know if I need to explain more.

Thanks, peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on March 13, 2014, 07:42:59 PM
Dear Don.

As requested !!  :)

Cheers Grum.


Ha Ha  :)   
OK



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 13, 2014, 08:23:38 PM
Dear All.

I will try to answer some questions.

Dear Black_Bird.

No load, just the output rectified and put back to the input. Please correct me if I am wrong, if I have read the circuit correctly the load is applied off the primary of the transformer. This leaves the secondary to help with recuperation ??


Cheers Grum.
It is right, but the load will influence in the amount of current that is fed back by the secondary. My question was about the ringing. I suppose that the ringing will vanish or reduce a lot when the load is in place.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 13, 2014, 08:34:11 PM
Dear lost_bro.

Fully understood and thanks for the interpretation.  :)  Please find attached scope shot at the ring frequency.

Dear Black_Bird.

Yes you are correct in your assumptions that a load does indeed affect the ringing !!

Cheers Grum.

Addendum.  Silly me !! Ch1 input signal to L1. Ch2 output signal from L2 on to input of FWBR.  :)

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 13, 2014, 11:25:05 PM
The real truth here is you disrespect professional standards , health and safety , respect for the global science community , and offer nothing in the research as there is nothing you can offer! It is well known in circles that are looking with total dread of your approach .

You are playing with a fire you refuse to respect and there for we will respond in legal terms to your government not you !

Well that is embarrassing, you missed point in this forum...
People who are experimenting here know things about high voltage/high frequency and all related stuff so your posts are just going to dustbin.
Please post YOUR experiments or do not post at all.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 13, 2014, 11:37:13 PM
Periodically we are going to refresh the front page and the schematic we are working to duplicate, to keep the forum on the rails.
No need to worry
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 14, 2014, 12:00:54 AM
On my phone but just had to reply.. Everyone please ignore nanobot He is a troll or shill... Many people play with this technology and it is not effecting their health..  The other option is to move to OUR where there are better mods
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 14, 2014, 12:09:47 AM
Addendum.  Silly me !! Ch1 input signal to L1. Ch2 output signal from L2 on to input of FWBR.  :)
[/quote]


Hello Grum:
Thanks for posting the o-scope shot:

OK, are you using a square wave to drive L1 on the scope shot?

What are you using to generate the driving signal for L1.

I will only comment that the driving signal *should* be as clean as possible......

I don't see the square wave there at all, maybe I'm not seeing this correctly.

Take care, peace
lost_bro

EDIT  , another queston, since you are driving an inductive load, are you using a Freewheeling diode across the inductor/MOSFET? 

If not, that by itself will inject *a lot* of noise into the driving signal and quite possible fry the MOSFET.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 14, 2014, 12:12:54 AM
Dear All.

"It takes all sorts to make a world" something my dear Grandmother often said to me when I was young !!

I feel there is a wealth of experience here at OU.Com, keep it coming !!

Best wishes and good luck to all, Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 14, 2014, 12:34:57 AM
Addendum.  Silly me !! Ch1 input signal to L1. Ch2 output signal from L2 on to input of FWBR.  :)


Hello Grum:
Thanks for posting the o-scope shot:

OK, are you using a square wave to drive L1 on the scope shot?

What are you using to generate the driving signal for L1.

I will only comment that the driving signal *should* be as clean as possible......

I don't see the square wave there at all, maybe I'm not seeing this correctly.

Take care, peace
lost_bro

EDIT  , another queston, since you are driving an inductive load, are you using a Freewheeling diode across the inductor/MOSFET? 

If not, that by itself will inject *a lot* of noise into the driving signal and quite possible fry the MOSFET.


Dear lost_bro.

I am driving the transformer with an older type of RM Cybernetics PWM's  this unit has now been superseded by a much more robust design !! However the new design has a current limit device which seems to alter the effects I am seeing. As to the transistor I have no idea at this moment!!

My duty cycle is very low probably much less than 10% . I am just hitting it with little pulses "ah la" Tesla style !!

I have attached the pdf that was available when the PWM was in production. You may then be able to have a better idea of how I am driving the transformer.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 14, 2014, 12:59:25 AM
Dear lost_bro.

I am driving the transformer with an older type of RM Cybernetics PWM's  this unit has now been superseded by a much more robust design !! However the new design has a current limit device which seems to alter the effects I am seeing. As to the transistor I have no idea at this moment!!

My duty cycle is very low probably much less than 10% . I am just hitting it with little pulses "ah la" Tesla style !!

I have attached the pdf that was available when the PWM was in production. You may then be able to have a better idea of how I am driving the transformer.

Cheers Grum.

Hello Grum

Thanks for sending a copy of the PWM manual.
OK:

Driving Inductive Loads (Motors, Solenoids, Transformers, Relays, Coils, etc)
 
The PWM-OCB has only basic protection against high voltage transients from inductive loads.
When driving inductive loads you should take extra measures (detailed below) to protect the
OCB from high voltage transients. This unit is not suitable for use with ignition coils. You
should use the other more advanced models such as the OCBI, or OCXI for such loads.
 
Place a fast diode such as a schottky diode in parallel with the load input terminals as close to
it as possible. If you are using a switch to reverse the direction of a motor, the diode should
be placed just before the switch, between the switch and the OCB. See figure 3.


Yes, that is from page 5 and they are referring to a Freewheeling diode. 
 That diode will help keep from heating up and destroying your MOSFET in the PWM.   Otherwise know as an Inductive Kickback diode, it makes a path for the *back*EMF to bypass the current when the inductor is off, as the current lags in an inductor.

**EDIT, maybe it is this same lagging current from L1 that we want to channel somewhere else for this purpose?

Wow now I'm not real sure.....

My duty cycle is very low probably much less than 10% . I am just hitting it with little pulses "ah la" Tesla style !!

If you hit with 50% duty cycle, will the MOSFET heat up?

take care, peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 14, 2014, 01:11:47 AM
Periodically we are going to refresh the front page and the schematic we are working to duplicate, to keep the forum on the rails.
No need to worry

So the actual schematic still hasnt the ground connection on the other side of the voltagedivider and the LED? Seems strange to me. Anyone tested if its working this way? Cant imagine that unless pin 16 of TL494 is able to provide a ground somehow... Or am i totally wrong? Maybe one of  the pros here like verpies or TK can have a look at this and give a statement?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 14, 2014, 01:35:24 AM
So the actual schematic still hasnt the ground connection on the other side of the voltagedivider and the LED? Seems strange to me. Anyone tested if its working this way? Cant imagine that unless pin 16 of TL494 is able to provide a ground somehow... Or am i totally wrong? Maybe one of  the pros here like verpies or TK can have a look at this and give a statement?

I think wrong schematic In OP.. There are two floating around and the original had ground
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 14, 2014, 01:49:06 AM
I think wrong schematic In OP.. There are two floating around and the original had ground
If you think the schematic is wrong, then build it your way and share the results. If it works your way
then we'll copy it.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 14, 2014, 01:52:46 AM
In electrostatic induction the term "ground" can be misunderstood.
A large object can suffice as an electron donor.
This includes the human body, which explains why people can
light bulbs remotely, by holding them.
It can also include the negative terminal of a battery or the case which contains the device.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 14, 2014, 02:23:20 AM
If you think the schematic is wrong, then build it your way and share the results. If it works your way
then we'll copy it.

I am talking about the one the pcb is based on.. There are two versions  of this circuit.. The one in the op was modified from original . and calm down I am working on this just trying to clarify the confusion on the ground
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 14, 2014, 02:35:36 AM
I am on my phone otherwise I would post it for you.. Perhaps grum can post both versions as he did over at OUR
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 14, 2014, 02:51:27 AM
So the actual schematic still hasnt the ground connection on the other side of the voltagedivider and the LED? Seems strange to me. Anyone tested if its working this way? Cant imagine that unless pin 16 of TL494 is able to provide a ground somehow... Or am i totally wrong? Maybe one of  the pros here like verpies or TK can have a look at this and give a statement?



Hello From other Planet:

Yes, you are correct, Pin 16 is the Error Amp +in :   It does NOT provide ground it is an input for error amp calculation.

Please see my post #83 ; http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/75/#.UyJU1T9dX7c

The attached photo is of a H-bridge GDT circuit I built to drive the primary of a Tesla Coil.
Yes, it is Common Emitter configuration like the Schematic with the Ground lead to both Pin #16 and the voltage divider.

Wish I knew more about the other schematic that does not have the Ground lead-- guess I would have to build it to see what the deal is, but my first instinct says that you are correct and that the Ground Lead IS necessary in that configuration.

take care, peace
lost_bro

EDIT the photo should say TL494CN not TL4949CN
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 14, 2014, 04:48:53 AM
Guys,

Can a $2 chepo chinese digital mutimeter set its knob at 20 V DC, charge a lead acid battery converted to lead alum battery, from 9.20 volts to 9.87 volts in 15 minutes.  :-\ :-\

When I am writing this post, the voltage is increasing further. :-\ :-\ :-\

I am confused, whats happening.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 14, 2014, 04:56:50 AM


Hello From other Planet:

Yes, you are correct, Pin 16 is the Error Amp +in :   It does NOT provide ground it is an input for error amp calculation.

Please see my post #83 ; http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/75/#.UyJU1T9dX7c (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/75/#.UyJU1T9dX7c)

The attached photo is of a H-bridge GDT circuit I built to drive the primary of a Tesla Coil.
Yes, it is Common Emitter configuration like the Schematic with the Ground lead to both Pin #16 and the voltage divider.

Wish I knew more about the other schematic that does not have the Ground lead-- guess I would have to build it to see what the deal is, but my first instinct says that you are correct and that the Ground Lead IS necessary in that configuration.

take care, peace
lost_bro

EDIT the photo should say TL494CN not TL4949CN

I am a little confused now..  I might be thinking of a different ground than what you're talking about.  I can't see the schematics with my phone.  Anyway it a good idea to see both schematics.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 14, 2014, 05:22:28 AM
Guys,
 >:( >:( >:( >:(
Can a $2 chepo chinese digital mutimeter set its knob at 20 V DC, charge a lead acid battery converted to lead alum battery, from 9.20 volts to 9.87 volts in 15 minutes.  :-\ :-\

When I am writing this post, the voltage is increasing further. :-\ :-\ :-\

I am confused, whats happening.

Best,

It 10.23 now, and increasing. Picture enclosed.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 14, 2014, 05:40:15 AM
10.28 volts now.  ;D :o :P :-\

Pic encl.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dog-One on March 14, 2014, 05:46:06 AM
I apologize if this is redundant information--having a heck of a time keeping up with things.

http://realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162067

English translated:
http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance

We are talking about the same sort of thing right?  A self running LED flashlight?

I have to say, it sure seems easy enough.  Anyone close?  Better yet, anyone understand what the principal is that makes it possible?

A Vector Potential maybe?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 14, 2014, 05:52:48 AM
Here is the schematic. :) :) :) for others to try, but kindly share your results.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 14, 2014, 06:42:51 AM
I simply placed a jumper from pin 16 to ground so I can test both variations.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 14, 2014, 08:15:21 AM
My batt got fully charged to 13.1 volts and I disconnected everything fearing a blast.  ;D ;D

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 14, 2014, 10:14:20 AM
My batt got fully charged to 13.1 volts and I disconnected everything fearing a blast.  ;D ;D

Best,
I think you should post your experiment on the energy amplification forum.
 It would be more appropriate there.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 14, 2014, 10:31:17 AM
do you realize that the type of 30 watt light the guy x name used arent modifiable and needs  240v ac to operate, i have many of these smd led lights,  if you say would light them on their own , going above 12v blows them out.
these lights  are not modifiable becuase the circuitry is casted in a big block of polyester,  so xname must have been used 240 volts in from the mains
there fore
he faked the whole damn thing.
X name- shame on you for fooling others, you are foolish
im also getting  suspicious about akula for a number of reasons, sorry
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 14, 2014, 10:46:09 AM
My batt got fully charged to 13.1 volts and I disconnected everything fearing a blast.  ;D ;D

Best,
Hi Google,
I've seen that before and it turned out to be a bad battery on the multimeter. If this is the case, when you disconnect the multimeter, wait some time and connect it again to the battery, you will see the same "apparent" charging, which is only a measurement error.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 14, 2014, 11:33:54 AM
I am on my phone otherwise I would post it for you.. Perhaps grum can post both versions as he did over at OUR

Dear 4Tesla.

As requested.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 14, 2014, 11:40:35 AM
The forum seems to be running slow
I still think the coils should be separated  ;)

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 14, 2014, 11:42:52 AM
I apologize if this is redundant information--having a heck of a time keeping up with things.

http://realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162067

English translated:
http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance

We are talking about the same sort of thing right?  A self running LED flashlight?

I have to say, it sure seems easy enough.  Anyone close?  Better yet, anyone understand what the principal is that makes it possible?

A Vector Potential maybe?

Dear Dog-One.

Welcome.   :)

I feel that all these devices are related, as does T-1000. It will just need a lot of patience and perhaps a little luck!!

Once again I would like to ask other members to wind a simple transformer and look for anomalies. The more info we can get the quicker will be the result !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 14, 2014, 12:09:00 PM
can we add capacity to the antenna electrodes

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 14, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
The electrode should hold the same charge as the capacitor plate, one pos and one neg.
The electrodes should accumulate pos and neg ions but in close proximity will cancel each other just like static eliminators.
Iv been very busy with work so havent had much time to play with the circuit but have been studying it.

dave
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 14, 2014, 12:37:50 PM


**EDIT, maybe it is this same lagging current from L1 that we want to channel somewhere else for this purpose?

Wow now I'm not real sure.....



take care, peace
lost_bro
Yes if you notice there is a freewheeling diode - its rerouting the spike into the other coil.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 14, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Hi Google,
I've seen that before and it turned out to be a bad battery on the multimeter. If this is the case, when you disconnect the multimeter, wait some time and connect it again to the battery, you will see the same "apparent" charging, which is only a measurement error.

Thanks blackbird for taking cognizance and answering. I will get a new batt, do it again and post results. Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: wattsup on March 14, 2014, 02:06:28 PM
@nanobot

Relax man. This is small fry so don't exaggerate things here. We have been around the block a few times. You are just repeating the same thing. The only way you will stop such projects is for your grand group of brainiacs to disclose a viable and accessible free energy device right now. Because until that happens, this will continue. You will stop OU? hehehe That is so funny.

@Grumage

I am sorry if I came on so strong.

There is a confusion on this thread that needs to be cleared up ASAP. Maybe it's only my confusion but if that is the case then there will be many more confused like me reading this thread.

Just to recap and please correct me if there are any errors.

1) The image you just posted here:
http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg392523/#msg392523
is a circuit and two photos that come from where? I am considering that this 30watt circuit comes from Akula himself and not from @x_name41. I know he faked his circuit most probably because he needs some type of admiration. If it were real, where is he? Why now more news?

2) Is there a real Akula video where the above circuit and coil is discussed?

3) My negative opinion of the @x_name41 version of the Akula0083 30watt device should not infer any of the same opinion on the Akula device because I have seen nothing on Akula showing that coil. I have seen other Akula videos also where @stivep tranlates his works, etc, and he seems to show and have an honest approach to things. 

4) About that same circuit, just to say, I first reread all the pages of this thread and not one mention of this.

As shown on the circuit.........
L1 15 Turns 0.75 mm wire (about 21 awg)
L2 45 Turns 0.75 mm wire (about 21 awg)

Then why is the image of the coil showing two different awg sizes. Obviously someone made a mistake on that circuit. I am suspecting it should read as follows...

L1 15 Turns 0.75 (about 21 awg)
L2 45 Turns 0.35 (about 26 awg)

The circuit shows L1 to the left and L2 to the right and I am sure the image maker made sure to show L1 left and L2 right. If there where any fancy winds required like @T1000 is saying (with all due respect), I am sure the circuit maker would have shown this like we see in other TK or Akula type diagrams.

So in a nutshell, to me it looks like...........

L1 15 Turns 0.75 (about 21 awg)
First turn starts upper left with wire end towards you.

Maybe single strand but also possibly multi-strand litz wire because of the black solder deposits which is common for litz soldering and the wire coating texture seems like how you have thick litz wire.)
5 turns per layer for 3 layers wound on the left half core.

L2 45 Turns 0.35 (about 26 awg single strand)
First turn starts lower right with wire end towards you.

Turns and layers on this one is less evident. To see further I have looked at other Akula devices namely the one using a TV yoke and standing multi coil tower and compared some of those video features with the diagram he produced. By doing so I can confirm that Akula is not to concerned with precise numbers of turns he indicates in his diagram compared to what he shows in his videos. Where he says a coil has 10 turns, he has 13 and so on.

Notice in the transformer photo the right coil is taking up less height then the left coil. Plus in the right coil you cannot get more then 8 turns on that half core so I would say the first first three layers with 8 turns and we see 7 turns on a fourth layer making a total of 31 turns so why is his diagram saying 45 turns. I think between the actual build and the diagram Akula is trying to put the turns he wished he had in the build to increase his actual output on that secondary.

The other limiting factor for the windings is in the same right photo he shows two E cores. But those E cores he shows would never fit into that coil spool holding the winds. He probably just took some available E cores to show in the image but they are not the actual E cores that go inside that former.

So again in a nutshell 15 turns on the left and 45 turns on the right is OK but the right coil will show to be higher then the left coil, which would be normal.

I don't think the coil has winds like @T1000 stated and this also is normal since the core has a gap, you really do not want to go over the gap with the same coil as this will create cancellation.
 
So you see why my confusions and most likely why many are confused themselves, but I think the above logic should at least put some normalcy into furtherance of this.

Sorry for long post.

wattsup

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Acca on March 14, 2014, 02:12:19 PM
To all,

Sorry that this is just off the topic of Akula0083 device, however nanobot is very cryptic and in his previous post
he has disclosed harmonics and modulation.. and I am trying to find out if he is real or a troll...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nanobot...
 
 Tell me if I have the right data as I just posted on the kapanadze thread ??? link below ....
 
 is the de-stablization of matter is a function of resonance and modulation type through a ferrite core / and caduceus wound coil ???
 
 Acca..
 
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/21345/#.UyL0fayLN8U (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/21345/#.UyL0fayLN8U)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 14, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
Dear Wattsup.

There is no need to apologise, your input, as a veteran OU'er is always welcome !!

Akula, (Roman) is, as you have stated, a genuine man. T-1000 is periodically in contact with him via Skype. Unfortunately he has grown tired of all the "rubbish" that has been thrown at him from both sides of the field. This frustration is mainly because we, the replicators, have not been able to achieve the same results !! The term fakery then comes to the fore, rather than we just didn't get it right !!

You have made some pertinent comments as regards the transformer !! Some I disagree with.

The cores IMO are from the frame/bobbin shown. They fit into two rectangular slots of the plastic bobbin. I just tried with a calliper held up to the screen, they seem to fit OK to me !!

I agree the insulated wire appears to be of different diameter. If you read my post attached to the picture I also had some doubts about the number of turns !!
As to a first wind going from end to end, this has been suggested as it is similar to the GeoFusion device which also had windings across the gap. This very simple arrangement seems to create a frequency doubling effect under certain conditions. A fact I personally verified.

Once again, many thanks for your input.

Cheers Grum.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 14, 2014, 03:46:28 PM
YOU GUYS ARE SO DUMB ! And that bit of dangerous junk you keep trying to make will kill you in the end ! Why don't you just listen for once ! None of you are qualified to know what the hell you are doing and you encourage others to follow you like sheep to the slaughter . I hold you fully responsible if anyone dies or gets hurt with what you are promoting .

So you want free energy mmmmmmmmmm Do a deal with me and I will let you have a 4kwh zero-point safe 240v DC battery
legal technology safe real and lasts for around a billion years . Id say that's a good deal ! And yes it comes with a contract one that will make you a few million . Insult me up set me and WE will close down the OU !!!!

NOW STOP playing around with resonance it will kill you or someone else !!!! I doing you a big favour and this is the only chance you will ever get .

Regards

Nanobot and Atommix

Ok Nanobot,

You have a 4kw working device. What kind of deal you want, please tell openly.
Also express, why and how resonance can kill someone.

Please try to be more convincing, instead of slamming and blasting people here.

I am waiting for your response on the forum.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 14, 2014, 03:58:44 PM
Nano is just seeking attention.. He has offered nothing to confirm any of his claims.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 14, 2014, 05:40:14 PM
thank u guys for ur inputs concerning the different schematics. Perhaps not that bad if we try both.

Grumage, may i ask u whats the status of RMcybernetics making the PCB`s and if its maybe possible they also offer a Kit with all the required components (perhaps without ferrite core, probably good if we try different)? I really really want one  :)

This weekend and next days/weeks im also going to play with the transformer part of the 30w akula and do a quick replication of a new build from romero, thats  also a little similar.

Btw, i replaced the surge arrester in my v8carlo replication with an IRFP460. I used a 470volt surge arrester to limit the voltage in first cap. Till now, MOSFET didnt die. Works good, but didnt improve performance.

Kind regards,
From other Planet
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 14, 2014, 07:08:31 PM
thank u guys for ur inputs concerning the different schematics. Perhaps not that bad if we try both.

Grumage, may i ask u whats the status of RMcybernetics making the PCB`s and if its maybe possible they also offer a Kit with all the required components (perhaps without ferrite core, probably good if we try different)? I really really want one  :)



Kind regards,
From other Planet

Dear From other Planet.

RM Cybernetics is raring to go !! However the lovely people at Farnell have not got back with component prices yet !!

Mr RMC has recently installed a robotic PCB component placer as nowadays most discrete components are surface mounted. This device alone can save many hours of painstaking work !!

Please be patient, as soon as we know the overall cost of an assembled board we will let you know. I will then let you have RMC's PayPal acct details and you can deal direct. I would like it to be known that I will have nothing to do with the financial side of things, mine, and dear Groundloops gift to you all, is the getting of the project started.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thaelin on March 14, 2014, 07:12:06 PM
   In the beginning, Roman said to pump up the amps. Not to be
afraid to do so. If you tingle the coil with a few hundred mili-amps,
then you will get back what it is able to make. Pound it with a few
amps and you change the whole ball game. Bigger mag fields and
lots bigger pulses on the back end.
   So if we have to feed it 10 amps to start up, so what. That is the \
price that must be paid. New coil in the make and if my hunch is right,
it should see around 14X return. That will be without a load of course.
Calculations say from a 24v input, should see around 240 output. Seems
I remember seeing that in the early Aculla devices.

Grum, again say thanks to Annunas for me, all I can say is BINGO!

All for now.   Thay

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 11111 on March 15, 2014, 12:32:00 AM
Second video from the same author was published. He has intergrated the circuit in the portable LED Spotlight. He says that this circuit works ONLY with LEDs. He also shows how the core of the transformer must look like.

Video 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k

Video 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 15, 2014, 02:21:54 AM
Quote
Please be patient, as soon as we know the overall cost of an assembled board we will let you know. I will then let you have RMC's PayPal acct details and you can deal direct. I would like it to be known that I will have nothing to do with the financial side of things, mine, and dear Groundloops gift to you all, is the getting of the project started.

Cheers Grum.

Thanks Grum
 Count me in.
dave
Looks as though he intalled the circuit in the shop light, now thats cool.






Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 05:13:26 AM
I apologize if this is redundant information--having a heck of a time keeping up with things.

http://realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162067 (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162067)

English translated:
http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance)

We are talking about the same sort of thing right?  A self running LED flashlight?

I have to say, it sure seems easy enough.  Anyone close?  Better yet, anyone understand what the principal is that makes it possible?

A Vector Potential maybe?

Thank you Dog for the links.. a lot of good info there.  Did anyone notice this transformer.. similar to what we are using here, but only three wires.

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: pulp on March 15, 2014, 08:56:08 AM
Maybe this video is posted already but first time i see it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxenrHppvTY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxenrHppvTY)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 09:48:33 AM
Grumage deserves to be praised, he is taking the pains to not only get the pcb but with the components installed.

This is a never before selfless social service thing and needs to be appreciated by everyone here. His actions are really inspirational and Phil Chimps must learn a lesson from him.

After all, FREE ENERGY = FREE INFORMATION.

Three cheers for Grum.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 15, 2014, 11:02:22 AM
if akula is honestly real..
the person who can suceed first in a self running model and record accurate down to earth measurements,shows everything clearly, honestly, wlling to share their exact circuitry and help others to replicate.
 i will send a present to your paypal account

and i feel most of us would have to do that, it will speedup this whole thing.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 15, 2014, 01:19:21 PM
tried it..so far no good   >:(   but I obtained over 16 V on output and cold mosfet. Next my 1 ohm and 0.22 ohm resistors burned. Interesting...Unfortunately in meantime I was unable to rise voltage before voltage stabilizer above input voltage and as expected without that it can't self-run for even a second.... However smoke on my 2W resistors was interesting especially why 1Ohm resistor burned I have no idea. Journey continues...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 15, 2014, 01:43:21 PM
aha....it might work...but I have no exact parts  :(  missing R2 430k resistor so  replaced by 390k and I suspect that is the reason of over 16V on output in first test. Frequency adjusting - no difference, maybe it is not oscillating but that I might check later, my old analog scope is not function properly in high humidity (it's raining). If you can better replace R1 and R3 resistors with some high wattage like 3W or 5W and probably non-inductive type.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 02:05:52 PM
R2 and 100 pf capasitor is just for protect diode. Think, that kan do 420 kilomhs resistor? It have wery big resistance. And 100 picofarads is also wery small capasistance, to make some changes to whole work.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 02:30:03 PM
My suggestions. :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 15, 2014, 02:39:50 PM
R2 and 100 pf capasitor is just for protect diode. Think, that kan do 420 kilomhs resistor? It have wery big resistance. And 100 picofarads is also wery small capasistance, to make some changes to whole work.
I agree that the resistor is too high to have a significant influence. The capacitor, on the other side, is, somehow, increasing the reverse recovery time of the diode. I still don't have an idea what will that mean to the circuit. I'm trying to assemble it this weekend. I will let you all know what I found.

Regards,

Black Bird
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 15, 2014, 02:44:22 PM
Dear All.

I would first like to thank you all for your comments. They are appreciated !!

Having looked at the second video that was posted earlier it left me in no doubt that we have copied the correct schematic. That is really good news!!

MenofFather's recent post also jolted me, LED's are DIODES !! A one way flow !! This could be a key?? Perhaps the only way it will work is with a forward flow ??  All conjecture, I know but worth mentioning, non the less !!

Dear Forest, keep going man !! You are streets ahead of me !! The transformer could be wound in many ways we just need to find the right configuration !!

Best wishes, cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 15, 2014, 03:13:28 PM
Dear All.

I would first like to thank you all for your comments. They are appreciated !!

Having looked at the second video that was posted earlier it left me in no doubt that we have copied the correct schematic. That is really good news!!

MenofFather's recent post also jolted me, LED's are DIODES !! A one way flow !! This could be a key?? Perhaps the only way it will work is with a forward flow ??  All conjecture, I know but worth mentioning, non the less !!

Dear Forest, keep going man !! You are streets ahead of me !! The transformer could be wound in many ways we just need to find the right configuration !!

Best wishes, cheers Grum.
Dear Grum,

Voltage at C3 is already DC, with probably a small ripple. I think that what could be important is not only the one way conduction, but also the non-linearity of the LEDs ( which are diodes). That would cause a non linear voltage feedback to the TL494 by means of R5, which is sampling the LEDs currents.

Cheers,

Black Bird
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 03:18:30 PM

MenofFather's recent post also jolted me, LED's are DIODES !! A one way flow !! This could be a key?? Perhaps the only way it will work is with a forward flow ??  All conjecture, I know but worth mentioning, non the less !!
I dont knowh, but think, that this schematic must work and without load, just then maybe be to big or to small duty cycle of mosfet gate and then maybe no be free energy. Because without load we not get feedback from buttom end of LED, who is load. :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 15, 2014, 03:55:24 PM
Dear From other Planet.

RM Cybernetics is raring to go !! However the lovely people at Farnell have not got back with component prices yet !!

Mr RMC has recently installed a robotic PCB component placer as nowadays most discrete components are surface mounted. This device alone can save many hours of painstaking work !!

Please be patient, as soon as we know the overall cost of an assembled board we will let you know. I will then let you have RMC's PayPal acct details and you can deal direct. I would like it to be known that I will have nothing to do with the financial side of things, mine, and dear Groundloops gift to you all, is the getting of the project started.

Cheers Grum.

Awesome!!!!!!!  :) Big big thanks to u and Groundloop!!!!!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 15, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
ok..that's it ... I burned my diodes bank. I think now that it require some real load around 20W or more and I used 10 ordinary leds from chinesse garden lamps...   :-[   Enough smoke for today  ;D  Tomorrow I will try to find 20W/12V halogen bulb. I'm concerned about voltage going to 17V under load (diodes bank), but it's maybe due to low wattage of load.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 05:02:17 PM
High time, someone gets in touch with Roman for his advice. 8)
Keenly watching everything going on.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 05:05:38 PM
if akula is honestly real..
the person who can suceed first in a self running model and record accurate down to earth measurements,shows everything clearly, honestly, wlling to share their exact circuitry and help others to replicate.
 i will send a present to your paypal account

and i feel most of us would have to do that, it will speedup this whole thing.


Count me in. My $ 100 present committed.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 05:08:41 PM
High time, someone gets in touch with Roman for his advice. 8)
Keenly watching everything going on.

Best,

I tried and others have also.  No response.  :(
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 05:16:54 PM
I see these replicas.. we need someone who has a self runner to tell us how to wind the transformer.  IMO transformer is key.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 15, 2014, 05:27:03 PM
ok..that's it ... I burned my diodes bank. I think now that it require some real load around 20W or more and I used 10 ordinary leds from chinesse garden lamps...   :-[   Enough smoke for today  ;D  Tomorrow I will try to find 20W/12V halogen bulb. I'm concerned about voltage going to 17V under load (diodes bank), but it's maybe due to low wattage of load.

Dear forest.

"Way to go" man, it seems like you are almost there!! We are all with you !!

Cheers Grum.

PS. Someone over at OUR has noticed that the transformer windings appear to have a high temp sleeving.  This also reminded me that T-1000 had been told that the transformer ran hot. Another clue ??
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: totoalas on March 15, 2014, 05:35:44 PM
An led lamp  30w produced high temp that's why it is encased in alum sink   better try with led first   
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 15, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Yes, I've been thinking about diode effect of leds. So here is updated skeleton schematic so we can see what's going on in the circuit.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 06:06:33 PM
Yes, I've been thinking about diode effect of leds. So here is updated skeleton schematic so we can see what's going on in the circuit.

Good idea.. I like how you are working on simplifying the schematic so we can see how it works!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 15, 2014, 06:09:58 PM
Unfortunately I think it maybe related to resonance. In such case transformer inductance is also important in relation to circuit operating frequency. If not matched then no ability to self-run. I have such feeling after watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s&list=UU_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 15, 2014, 06:12:43 PM
I see that some of you will do a PCB project for this one.  Energia9 said "down to earth measurements" and that is the key.  I will assume most replicators will have oscilloscopes.

You notice that this circuit is a variation on familiar technology.  I am intentionally being very generalized:  There is some kind of oscillator circuit that creates a pulse waveform.  There is a MOSFET or transistor switch pulsing on to energize an inductor, or possibly a transformer core.  The output signal may go through other inductors or decoupling capacitor sections until it drives a load.  The load may be a string of LEDs or something else.

Once you have built it and get over the excitement of making initial input and output measurements and trying different loads, etc., then the real work begins.

You need to discuss how to make a serious power input measurement from the battery source.  They way you normally do it might be good, but it's important to discuss it and have everyone agree that it's the right way to do it.  Then if you have five replicators, and they all agree on how to make the measurement, and they share their data, you have a very good start.  Then you can do the same thing for the output.  You all discuss among each other and agree on how to make the output measurement and all agree that it is a valid measurement.  Since you are all using a real PCB, I am assuming that your setups will be nearly identical, so it should be pretty easy to do.

That leads up to the most challenging part.  It's to figure out how the circuit actually works.  What you want to do is follow the signal path through the schematic with your scope probes.  The key thing to do is simply leave Channel A on the oscillator signal, a.k.a., the "master clock."   I just looked at the Russian schematic and it's pin 10 of the TL494 chip.  Trigger your scope on Channel A and then use Channel B to look at any other signal on the schematic.  Then if you are serious, you will get a pencil and graph paper and you will measure the different voltages at various test points and draw them on your graph paper all synchronized to the master clock.  Or do the same thing digitally.  In theory you can just stitch together scope screen captures and stack them one on top of each other with an image editing program and then save that as a new image.

You can look at the waveform before the pair of transistors, and then at the gate input to the MOSFET.  You can see how the transistors are there to fill/empty the gate capacitance as fast as possible to make the MOSFET switch as fast as possible.  Then you look at the voltages on both sides of each transformer coil and draw them out on your graph paper.  Four trace captures will give you a very good idea of what the transformer is doing, no wild guessing.  You look at the voltage at the top of the series of LEDs and draw that trace on your graph paper.  Do it for as many signals as you want.  You can take a picture of your "14-channel scope capture" with each of the 14-channels properly identified, and with a proper scale shown for the Y axis for each trace.

Then you look at the scope captures and your schematic and figure out how the circuit works.  Is it when the MOSFET switches on that power is pumped into the LEDs?  Or is it when the MOSFET switches off and the magnetic energy stored in the transformer core gets pumped into the LEDs?

What if you change a component value or the number of turns of one of the sides of the transformer?  If you have your initial timing diagram as a reference, after you change something you check out the before/after signals.

So those are some big pointers for you.  From reading the thread I know that many of you will benefit tremendously and learn a lot from this experience.

When you look at the timing diagram, you start to see how action A, results in action B, which leads to C and D, etc., until the LEDs light up.  If you can collectively figure that out, so much the better for the group of replicators and followers.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 15, 2014, 06:12:57 PM
The L2 coil is also key.
The L2 coil is OVER the gap in the core.
We know that a core gap creates a DOUBLING of the frequency and also creates
ELECTROSTATIC pulses.
We know that the Cover over that trafo should NOT be short circuited, therefore it does not act primarily as
an electromagnetic shield, but as a electrostatic pickup.
The electrostatic energy is channeled to negative ie a pseudo earth.
Electrostatic induction is COP2 minus system losses.
All within the laws of physics.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 15, 2014, 06:18:03 PM
RE RESONANCE AND TUNING.


We know that the gap in the core acts as an additional TUNING mechanism.
Think of it as two plates of a capacitor.
This device therefore can be TUNED TO RESONANCE by manipulating the CORE GAP.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 15, 2014, 06:20:57 PM
The L2 coil is also key.
The L2 coil is OVER the gap in the core.
We know that a core gap creates a DOUBLING of the frequency and also creates
ELECTROSTATIC pulses.
We know that the Cover over that trafo should NOT be short circuited, therefore it does not act primarily as
an electromagnetic shield, but as a electrostatic pickup.
The electrostatic energy is channeled to negative ie a pseudo earth.
Electrostatic induction is COP2 minus system losses.
All within the laws of physics.

V good input indeed. How much would be the system losses, any wild guess ?

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 15, 2014, 06:25:26 PM
A.king21:

Ideas and theories are always good, but the real "proof in the pudding" with respect to your theories could be checked after the circuit is built and tested.  The operation of the standard design has to be understood first.  Only after the replicators have done the standard circuit tests for the standard design should they start to venture out into exploring theories and making tests for those theories.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 15, 2014, 06:32:22 PM
Mile High: I am not publishing theories but facts which have been experimentally verified.
We need to build the circuit to see if all the independently verified tests cohere into a working unit.
Re system losses: It doesn't matter, because if one iteration of the circuit gains just ONE ELECTRON
from the electrostatic field; then we have solved the puzzle.
At the speed of light this will translate into a working FE unit.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 06:39:58 PM
Unfortunately I think it maybe related to resonance. In such case transformer inductance is also important in relation to circuit operating frequency. If not matched then no ability to self-run. I have such feeling after watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s&list=UU_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s&list=UU_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w)

I agree.  I think it is related to resonance and knowing the secret of the transformer.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 15, 2014, 06:42:00 PM
A.king21:

Sorry, but honestly you are speaking in wishful thinking terms.  You could call it "fantasy talk."  The statements you are making must be verified.  It all comes down to the real thing.  If you suggest a change or you are building a replication yourself, every theory connected to some kind of change in the circuit has to be validated on the bench.  Likewise, if you have theories about how the standard unmodified setup works, that also has to be validated on the bench.  It's the real way to learn this stuff for many people - by doing it.

The wisest course of action is to presume nothing beforehand.  Build it then start verifying the operation of the circuit.  In other words, take one step at a time.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
Guys, let everyone do this there own way.  Lets focus on trying to get a working unit.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 06:49:40 PM
...  Tomorrow I will try to find 20W/12V halogen bulb....
Who made this divice say, that fits ONLY LED LOAD! Halogen not good for this free energy generator. If you burn LED, then maybe try without any load and remove feedback wire maybe. Or conect two 12 volts LED to series.
And here my suggestions how can work without feedback.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 06:55:46 PM
I see these replicas.. we need someone who has a self runner to tell us how to wind the transformer.  IMO transformer is key.
I beleave, that transformer nothing speshal have, just wound like in picture or like simple transformer, with 0,75 mm2 cable and 15 and 45 turns...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 06:59:40 PM
Yes, I've been thinking about diode effect of leds. So here is updated skeleton schematic so we can see what's going on in the circuit.
If I good remeber, author say, that only LED load, if you make like in picture, with diode, he say, that not works.
Question "[size=78%]а если через диод в ту же сторону вместо светодиодной сборки нагрузку цеплять, работать будет?"[/font][/size]
[size=78%]Answer "[/font][/size][size=78%]Не будет !   Это схема не подходит для цепляний нагрузок." from [/font][/size][size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM)[/size]
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 15, 2014, 07:04:00 PM
Guys, it's ultimately up to you how you do your replications.  Be forewarned what usually happens is that after a few weeks of focus with everybody doing their own thing, the enthusiasm starts to drop off and people start doing different and sometimes crazy tests, nobody gets over unity results.  Then the thread hums along possibly for months and months but no real progress is made.  In other words like a Kapanadze thread.  Or the thread just withers and dies.  You read the thread and you start looking hard for serious measurements and they become fewer and fewer.

This circuit is a variation on a pulse circuit.  It's just a question of understanding how it operates as a pulse circuit.

One final thought, it is really *really* hard to measure the power going into a bank of LEDs unless you have a good DSO.  It may be worthwhile to discuss the option to swap out the LEDs for some kind of resistor.  A resistor may be a perfectly acceptable alternative to LEDs with the advantage that it's very easy to measure the power across a resistor.  You may or may not actually have to get a special low inductance load resistor also, it all depends on the waveforms you observe.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 07:05:34 PM
The L2 coil is also key.
The L2 coil is OVER the gap in the core.
...
Author nothing say about gap, I bealive, that in his divice no air gap. :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 15, 2014, 07:14:56 PM
Author nothing say about gap, I bealive, that in his divice no air gap. :)


I have dismantled a crt TV trafo similar to the Akula replication and it has a 3mm GAP in the middle.
Grumage has also experimentally verified no ringdown using a gap.
Everything I post is based on FACTS.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 07:26:59 PM
This the place to share anything that you think will help others getting a working device.  Whether it is a fact, a schematic, a quote, a video, or opinion.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 07:32:25 PM
One final thought, it is really *really* hard to measure the power going into a bank of LEDs unless you have a good DSO.  It may be worthwhile to discuss the option to swap out the LEDs for some kind of resistor.  A resistor may be a perfectly acceptable alternative to LEDs with the advantage that it's very easy to measure the power across a resistor.  You may or may not actually have to get a special low inductance load resistor also, it all depends on the waveforms you observe.

MileHigh

Good idea.. perhaps one LED for visual reference (and doubles as a diode) and a resistor in series (which also current limiting so you don't blow up you LED).
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Black_Bird on March 15, 2014, 07:43:25 PM
Good idea.. perhaps one LED for visual reference (and doubles as a diode) and a resistor in series (which also current limiting so you don't blow up you LED).
Actually, if it self runs, measuring power to confirm overunity is a moot point. Not that measuring output power is not an important thing, to know the real capabilities of the circuit and to try a scaling up of the output power.

Cheers,

Black Bird
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 07:48:41 PM
Good idea.. perhaps one LED for visual reference (and doubles as a diode) and a resistor in series (which also current limiting so you don't blow up you LED).
No. Resistor R5 is not for curent limiting, but for making feedback  with capasitor C5 to R7 resistor and TL.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 07:52:15 PM
Actually, if it self runs, measuring power to confirm overunity is a moot point. Not that measuring output power is not an important thing, to know the real capabilities of the circuit and to try a scaling up of the output power.

Cheers,

Black Bird

I don't think he said anything about confirming OU.. just easier to make measurements, which is what he and others likes to do.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 07:54:35 PM
No. Resistor R5 is not for curent limiting, but for making feedback  with capasitor C5 to R7 resistor and TL.

Thanks.  We weren't talking about R5.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 15, 2014, 07:56:45 PM
This the place to share anything that you think will help others getting a working device.  Whether it is a fact, a schematic, a quote, a video, or opinion.

Don't forget an appropriately rated fuse, especially if powered directly from a battery.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 15, 2014, 08:03:44 PM
Welcome to club forest! I also just 2 times made a big smoke cloud and now my MosfetPulse Board and TL494 based frequency generator passed away. F*** i still needed it for my first akula device replica and other projects.

 >:( >:( >:( :( :( :( :( :( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 15, 2014, 08:21:22 PM
Don't forget an appropriately rated fuse, especially if powered directly from a battery.

Good evening Hoppy.

It appears that your advice was perhaps a little too late for dear From other Planet !!

However we need to find out what is basically overloading the drive circuit ?? We now have got two prototypes that have burned out. Do we have, dare I say OVERUNITY ?? A rising out of control event ??
A scope would be of great help whilst testing this circuit so a runaway could be avoided.

Keep up the great work Guy's !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 15, 2014, 08:44:00 PM
Hi all,

I've been studying the 494 IC.  Here is a link to the datasheet.
http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/28827/TI/TL494IN.html (http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/28827/TI/TL494IN.html)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 15, 2014, 09:06:47 PM
Dear All.

Short video showing how the manipulation of the air gap alters the output waveform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ThpfhQqTQ

Let's see if we can improve to a ring up ??

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: bolt on March 15, 2014, 09:39:41 PM
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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 09:49:08 PM
Then I maked this divice for me burned many shotkys and not shotkyes diodes who in schematic is MBR, but I use others. Nothing other are burned. I burn about 5-7 in that places diodes. :D Burn and UF5404, who 400 volts and if good remeber UF5408, who 1000 volts, then ajusting, maybe, in small frenquency. So can bay many shotkeys diodes 10 amps 35-50 volts.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 15, 2014, 09:53:11 PM
This circuit is nothing special.  You can achieve the same thing using signal generators. See WESLY experiments on his 1kw Yoke device. ...
I Bealive that here no 1 kw. I see that video and that lamp Weshley say in full brightness, but i see, that it light on about 5 procents of it power. So I not bealive, that they get free energy. Maybe get, but wery small amout of it.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: bolt on March 15, 2014, 10:03:56 PM
This circuit is nothing special.  You can achieve the same thing using signal generators. See WESLY experiments on his 1kw Yoke device. All the answers fully disclosed now couple of years at least public domain.  Instead of push pull discrete fet driver use dedicated IC fet driver instead. A full H bridge design is superior to get max power and symmetry into driver stage.  If you have RF sig gens you can make tests using these with a wideband PA fet amplifier as a core driver.

This is a ferrite banging device requires ferrite yoke, rings, cores, slugs or anything else to forced into a piezo electric state where ferrite becomes a "SQUEELING  PIG!  You need to drive the core into full magnetic saturation then make sure the ferrite is gapped to make ASYMETRIC transformer.  Use a paper shim.  Be careful as you must drive the ferrite hard couple of amps 20 or 30 watts or more. You will hear sweet spot when tuned when ferrite goes critical! CAUTION! FERRITE CORES CAN EXPLODE UNDER SUCH CONDITIONS. Cores will get hot.  Ferrite will burst with harmonics in this state going into lots of Mhz.  Panasonic microwave oven cores are good can be driven with couple hundred watts. When you can hear the cores SCREAM you are then in the ballpark of going OU.  The load must be matched. Impeadance not too low or too high.   Random tuning and tickling these cores with milliwats or shit driver will get you no where.  You dont have to use LED lights.  Halogen can work but of course LED is of course MUCH brighter.

The only real design work is finding the best coil winding solution to match YOUR cores to YOUR load. Everyone will be different.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 15, 2014, 10:42:53 PM
This circuit is nothing special.  You can achieve the same thing using signal generators. See WESLY experiments on his 1kw Yoke device. All the answers fully disclosed now couple of years at least public domain.  Instead of push pull discrete fet driver use dedicated IC fet driver instead. A full H bridge design is superior to get max power and symmetry into driver stage.  If you have RF sig gens you can make tests using these with a wideband PA fet amplifier as a core driver.

This is a ferrite banging device requires ferrite yoke, rings, cores, slugs or anything else to forced into a piezo electric state where ferrite becomes a "SQUEELING  PIG!  You need to drive the core into full magnetic saturation then make sure the ferrite is gapped to make ASYMETRIC transformer.  Use a paper shim.  Be careful as you must drive the ferrite hard couple of amps 20 or 30 watts or more. You will hear sweet spot when tuned when ferrite goes critical! CAUTION! FERRITE CORES CAN EXPLODE UNDER SUCH CONDITIONS. Cores will get hot.  Ferrite will burst with harmonics in this state going into lots of Mhz.  Panasonic microwave oven cores are good can be driven with couple hundred watts. When you can hear the cores SCREAM you are then in the ballpark of going OU.  The load must be matched. Impeadance not too low or too high.   Random tuning and tickling these cores with milliwats or shit driver will get you no where.  You dont have to use LED lights.  Halogen can work but of course LED is of course MUCH brighter.

The only real design work is finding the best coil winding solution to match YOUR cores to YOUR load. Everyone will be different.

Good post. I've experimented 'bashing' different types of ferrite in the past using a PWM 150A, full H-Bridge motor controller modified from a fixed 25KHz to variable frequency control. However, be very careful as this type of experimentation can be dangerous! Wear eye protection and use a polycarbonate screen between you and the DUT. Getting conclusive results is difficult. Bolt is correct IMO when he says that tickling your ferrite will lead nowhere.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 08:15:47 AM
Don't forget an appropriately rated fuse, especially if powered directly from a battery.

A 3 amp breaker or inline fuse is a good idea.  I calculate 3 amps.. I think correct.

Maybe something like this..

http://greatlakesskipper.com/carling-3-amp-push-to-reset-boat-breaker-w-boot?gclid=CPXF6YPAlr0CFaw-Mgodml4AqQ (http://greatlakesskipper.com/carling-3-amp-push-to-reset-boat-breaker-w-boot?gclid=CPXF6YPAlr0CFaw-Mgodml4AqQ)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 08:35:05 AM
Second video from the same author was published. He has intergrated the circuit in the portable LED Spotlight. He says that this circuit works ONLY with LEDs. He also shows how the core of the transformer must look like.

Video 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOG6YQ_6K6k)

Video 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM)

Here is the 12v 10w flood light used in the second video.  I wish he would have shown inside black box to show no battery.

http://www.parts-express.com/portable-10w-cob-type-super-bright-led-work-light-rechargeable-flood-light-lamp-yellow--361-361 (http://www.parts-express.com/portable-10w-cob-type-super-bright-led-work-light-rechargeable-flood-light-lamp-yellow--361-361)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 16, 2014, 08:42:06 AM
Here is the 12v 10w flood light used in the second video.  I wish he would have shown inside black box to show no battery.


Good point, especially as after he shows the circuit board in the lamps battery compartment, the camera is put down and shows a blank whilst he screws the battery compartment housing to the lamp!! Not at all convincing.  :(
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 11:06:59 AM
Good point, especially as after he shows the circuit board in the lamps battery compartment, the camera is put down and shows a blank whilst he screws the battery compartment housing to the lamp!! Not all convincing.  :(
he is a faker, no one listened to my post, these smd lights are not modifiable!!  they are casted in polyester resin and have a 110/240-10 volt converter in them , they need 110-240 Ac to operate.    how does he light this floodlight with his low output? no chance mate.  a weak fake..
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 16, 2014, 12:27:28 PM
he is a faker, no one listened to my post, these smd lights are not modifiable!!  they are casted in polyester resin and have a 110/240-10 volt converter in them , they need 110-240 Ac to operate.    how does he light this floodlight with his low output? no chance mate.  a weak fake..

That makes sense as the original circuit shown is his 'special design' inverter that would efficiently drive an LED element from a battery supply, so as to give him a portable wires free lamp. I'm assuming here that he is able to pick-up the connections to the LED element for connection to his inverter, so as to bypass the converter.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 16, 2014, 12:30:23 PM
he is a faker, no one listened to my post, these smd lights are not modifiable!!  they are casted in polyester resin and have a 110/240-10 volt converter in them , they need 110-240 Ac to operate.    how does he light this floodlight with his low output? no chance mate.  a weak fake..
He's using only one electrode and its neg, this is ionizing the transformer with pos ions, he's drawing more voltage than amperage, and voltage is what it takes for leds.

Look at a joule thief it uses high voltage bemf to light the led, same here.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 12:57:17 PM
just try doing what you have just said with this floodlight,  buy one and do it. :)
im sorry if im being harsh,  this forum is like a kaleidoscope often.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 16, 2014, 01:04:16 PM
just try doing what you have just said with this floodlight,  buy one and do it. :)

OK, I take it then from your comment, that its not practically possible. In which case, he is probably driving the in-built step-down converter from his inverter, probably powered from a hidden battery under the circuit board.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 01:09:08 PM
OK, I take it then from your comment, that its not practically possible. In which case, he is probably driving the in-built step-down converter from his inverter, probably powered from a hidden battery under the circuit board.
there is a lot of ways he could have lit that light to ''full brightness'' , especially with his zoomed bamboozle camera movements
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 16, 2014, 01:26:32 PM
Let say if that not fake. Then after back EMF is self oscilations, I see in oscilioscope, in my transformer about 250 kiloherc. Maybe need tune to this frencuency? Or maybe this oscilations feed capasitors? So maybe need duty cycle use about 30 precent, to get longer, more this oscilations? Akula write, that this is transgenerator Melnichenko. Melnichenko use duty cycle about 30 precents. But in this wersion, I bealive, that air gap is not needed!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 16, 2014, 01:46:34 PM
So author officialy answer, that 2000 uF capasitors are 35 volts.
He also wrote "Повторяю ещё раз ! Только светодиоды и ничего другого там больше не работает. У меня не получилось запитать лампочку. Соберите сперва на диодах, а там эксперементируйте."[/font][/size]
"Say one more time! Only light emiting diodes and nothing more here not work. I not get sucsesfully feed small lamp. Asamble first on diodes, and then eksperimentate."
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 16, 2014, 01:47:27 PM
You guy's crack me up, instead of trying to understand the principle of whats happening in the circuit you sit around trying to figure out how they faked it..........why are you even here? ??? ?   go play ping pong or watch tv like the rest of the sleepers.
 
Romero said there's no power regulation on the bottom side of the circuit and C2 C3 and C4 could blow if the load does not match the power output, so be careful.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 16, 2014, 01:54:05 PM
You guy's crack me up, instead of trying to understand the principle of whats happening in the circuit you sit around trying to figure out how they faked it..........why are you even here? ??? ?   go play ping pong or watch tv like the rest of the sleepers.
 
Romero said there's no power regulation on the bottom side of the circuit and C2 C3 and C4 could blow if the load does not match the power output, so be careful.
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i admire your openness , i like the way you think , but there are people who want to make fool of us , and im just seeing through them.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 16, 2014, 02:10:59 PM

He answers to my comment "И ещё, что важного в той части, где Л1 и R1? R1 важен? Но это просто сопротивление, которое только потери создаёт, не так? Л1 важен (левый)? Но это просто дросель, который импульсы превращает более в синус, чтоб на микросхему помех-импульсов не шло, так что там важного?"[/font][/size]Answer: "Все резисторы важны !  Кондёры 2000 мкф 35 вольт . Кондёр надо поставить перед кренкой , а не после дросселя !!! Это исправить надо в схеме. Далее напрягайте ум Ваш господа по поводу 15 и 16 ног микросхемы :)  Они там играют большую роль в регулировки скважности."[/font][/size] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwm2-eJiiM))
Here say, that all resistors are important. And say, that capasitor need put before 12 volt stabilizer, but not after choke. But that capasitor I not understood. ???
Maybe he that means:
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: wattsup on March 16, 2014, 04:08:25 PM
Here is the 12v 10w flood light used in the second video.  I wish he would have shown inside black box to show no battery.

http://www.parts-express.com/portable-10w-cob-type-super-bright-led-work-light-rechargeable-flood-light-lamp-yellow--361-361

@all

Hala f'n luya. I was waiting for someone else to say this instead of pesky @wattsup shooting off his mouth again. hehehe

The lamp in question has the following description. "Portable 10W COB Type Super Bright LED Work Light Rechargeable Flood Light Lamp Yellow."

All @x-name41 really needed to do was redo his former video and just lift the circuit board and transformer off the table. That's all he needed to do in a one minute follow-up video. Instead we see his "lamporious" (new word) effort to make you believe that lamp has no batteries inside. Wow. No proof man. Then he tries to distract you by showing that there are no batteries inside the lamp handle. This is often the case when you have something to hide, you show something else that has nothing hidden. hehehe

I strongly recommend that you guys not consider @x_name41 devices as typical of the Akula 30 watt unless he decides to stop playing tricks.  Most importantly, his build does not  include a copper strip in his transformer so how can you expect the same results as Akula.

@all

I put a post in my thread to not clutter up this thread. hehehe

http://www.overunity.com/13234/welcome-to-understanding-overunity/msg393003/#msg393003

But please if anyone answers that post relative to works done here, please post it here without copying the complete post and putting it here. Also, please do not copy the complete post if you are posting in my thread. hehehe

@Grumage

If your circuit maker can also populate them and if the IC's are on those push on terminals for easy replacement, plus if the transistor can come with a push in socket again for easy replacement, I would be good for two circuits via Paypal. Ideally if that R&D circuit could have push in terminals for IC's, transistors and any capacitor that controls the pulse frequency range and/or pulse width. This way if you need to change the frequency range it could be as simple as changing of a capacitor. Top EEers would know better about which one(s) to consider. Even if the circuit costs 10 bucks more, being able to change a blown component by simply pulling it out and pushing another one in will save time and be less of a hurdle for guys to continue their R&D.

wattsup

PS: The freakiest thing. As I posted on both threads, both threads show a read count of 18199. That is so freaky.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 16, 2014, 04:20:43 PM
Good evening Hoppy.

It appears that your advice was perhaps a little too late for dear From other Planet !!

However we need to find out what is basically overloading the drive circuit ?? We now have got two prototypes that have burned out. Do we have, dare I say OVERUNITY ?? A rising out of control event ??
A scope would be of great help whilst testing this circuit so a runaway could be avoided.

Keep up the great work Guy's !!

Cheers Grum.

Hey, no im not yet at 30W akula. Still busy with attached schematic and scopeshots from Romero. But i see interesting waveform on scope. Here quote of my post in Romero forum:

"Hi Romero,
I'm trying to replicate attached schematic from u. Sadly i didn't see the post where u said  to wind on top of each other. So i wound all 3 coils together, like a bedini. Of course L3 ends earlier, as its only half length. I'm also not really sure what u mean with on top of each other. Like 1 coil on 1 side of air gap, 1 on other, and Output above both? I'm using small airgap, as a certain gap so far gives best results. Also i not really understand the tuning with different octaves for L1 and L2, my coils both "vibrate" at same frequency, which is dependant on the size of the tuning capacitor.
The good news is, i see these additional square pulses that seem to come out of nowhere, like on ur scopeshots, but only 1 till 4 per MOSFET pulse, depending on Input Voltage. And without the additional high frequency ringing on the waveform
BTW, what u mean with litz wire for L1 and L2, u mean many from each other insulated strands?
Please dear Romero give me a hint 
kind regards,
From other Planet"
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 16, 2014, 04:41:43 PM
he is a faker, no one listened to my post, these smd lights are not modifiable!!  they are casted in polyester resin and have a 110/240-10 volt converter in them , they need 110-240 Ac to operate.    how does he light this floodlight with his low output? no chance mate.  a weak fake..

Hello All:

Well I am sorry to differ with you on this one:

I run an Alternative Solar Energy company, and every day we deal with LED (solar and conventional lighting):

I commonly rewire LED to run from 12/24 VDC and mod them to work from Buck and Boost converters.

All LEDs are DC animals......   All of the models that we stock and sell and install are incontrovertible (using the appropriate Buck or AC-DC SMPS or Boost) from one supply voltage to another.

I can remove the SMPS or Converter from the backside of the LED 'fixture' and run it from straight DC without a converter using the  appropriate DC voltage, which depends upon the make and manufacturer of the LED lamp.

I have run LEDs from a type of Air coil with super high voltages and very little current......  Afterwards they still function on 12VDC.

So, I don't know if the video in question is a fake, but I will say that NOT all LED fixtures have a cast polyester Voltage converter that cannot be removed.....

take care, peace
lost_bro

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 16, 2014, 05:59:55 PM
You guy's crack me up, instead of trying to understand the principle of whats happening in the circuit you sit around trying to figure out how they faked it..........why are you even here? ??? ?   go play ping pong or watch tv like the rest of the sleepers.
 
Romero said there's no power regulation on the bottom side of the circuit and C2 C3 and C4 could blow if the load does not match the power output, so be careful.

You need to stop telling people to shove off. In my case I'm trying to be constructive and work out what the last video was all about. Is he trying to show that he has a genuine self-running lamp, or that he has a self designed 'special' inverter that runs his lamp efficiently from a battery, or that he is deliberately trying to mislead by hiding a battery under the circuit board. I'm sure you are no wiser than me as to which of these three options is the truth. You can carry on believing that he must have a self-runner but at the moment I'm of the opinion that he has an inverter that may be efficiently driving his lamp and that coupled to this there is a distinct possibility that he also wishes us to believe that its a self-runner. Neither video is well presented in a technical sense and fails to explain exactly what is being demonstrated!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 07:06:27 PM
You need to stop telling people to shove off. In my case I'm trying to be constructive and work out what the last video was all about. Is he trying to show that he has a genuine self-running lamp, or that he has a self designed 'special' inverter that runs his lamp efficiently from a battery, or that he is deliberately trying to mislead by hiding a battery under the circuit board. I'm sure you are no wiser than me as to which of these three options is the truth. You can carry on believing that he must have a self-runner but at the moment I'm of the opinion that he has an inverter that may be efficiently driving his lamp and that coupled to this there is a distinct possibility that he also wishes us to believe that its a self-runner. Neither video is well presented in a technical sense and fails to explain exactly what is being demonstrated!

I agree with you Hoppy.  I haven't seen a good video on the 30w device yet.  Specially details on winding the transformer.  I hope that one of us on this thread gets a self runner to give us more confidence in this device.

This video of Akula0083's 1w device, which I believe was recorded by Akula0083 (Roman),  is a lot more convincing; which gives me hope.  (Not saying it couldn't be faked though)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hB3wcSxYw)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dog-One on March 16, 2014, 07:16:09 PM
@Grum,

I watched your video where you attempted to get the transformer to ring-up and a thought crossed my mind...

Recall the magnet through the copper pipe experiment--I would bet there is a bunch of ringing going on in there.

Suppose if you took a thin piece of copper foil and wrapped/soldiered it around one side of the E-Core center stem before you inserted it into the bobbin.  Any chance this would promote ring-up?  Willing to give it a shot?

I don't know whether the primary or secondary side would be the best choice or not.  Maybe even across the gap would be worth a test.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 07:21:06 PM
@Grum,

I watched your video where you attempted to get the transformer to ring-up and a thought crossed my mind...

Recall the magnet through the copper pipe experiment--I would bet there is a bunch of ringing going on in there.

So do you suppose if you took a thin piece of copper foil and wrapped/soldiered it around one side of the E-Core center stem before you inserted it into the bobbin.  Any chance this would promote ring-up?  Willing to give it a shot?

Good thought.  I'm not clear if the copper foil is suppose to be on the outside of the windings or around the core.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on March 16, 2014, 07:22:34 PM
I with Dave45 on this one...no big surprise there huh ?

By letting the children in the playground play, thats how new games are born.

Too much structure, and its the same old game played over and over.

This is truism is not rocket science folks.


Regards...

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dog-One on March 16, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
Good thought.  I'm not clear if the copper foil is suppose to be on the outside of the windings or around the core.

My thought was that something is hidden from us, so likely the foil would be between the bobbin and the center stem of the E-Core.  Looking at my core and bobbin, there is enough slop in there for just such a thing and if you didn't know about, you may never get this device to work.

Until we know exactly what makes this device operate repeatedly, the leave no stone unturned approach is still valid.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 16, 2014, 07:55:24 PM
But u would/should see the wire going to the foil...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 08:11:55 PM
But u would/should see the wire going to the foil...

Not if connected underneath the transformer.. we only see one side.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dog-One on March 16, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
Not if connected underneath the transformer.. we only see one side.

I wouldn't imagine there would be anything connected to the foil.  It would simply be a single turn close-looped winding as seen by the core--maybe enough to create the ringing Grum is looking to find.

I also have no idea of the thickness or width, so we'll have to use our best judgment to start and try some variations to see if this heads in the right direction or not.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 16, 2014, 08:16:31 PM
Dear All.

I am writing to report a serious error I have just found with the linear ring signal !! 

It would appear that it was noise from my switch mode PSU that was being manipulated and not the air gap as first thought. I have deleted the video in question and would like to offer my sincerest apologies for the mistake.

So it's back to the drawing board !!??

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dog-One on March 16, 2014, 08:21:01 PM
Dear All.

I am writing to report a serious error I have just found with the linear ring signal !! 

It would appear that it was noise from my switch mode PSU that was being manipulated and not the air gap as first thought. I have deleted the video in question and would like to offer my sincerest apologies for the mistake.

So it's back to the drawing board !!??

Cheers Grum.

No sweat Grum, thanks much for the demo--got me thinking.

Swap it with a good old lead-acid battery and lets try some copper foil tests.   :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 09:16:05 PM
Thinking about getting this PWM.  8)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PWM-PULSE-WIDTH-MODULATOR-35A-HHO-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR-/290886259380?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43ba2c12b4&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PWM-PULSE-WIDTH-MODULATOR-35A-HHO-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR-/290886259380?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43ba2c12b4&vxp=mtr)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 16, 2014, 09:20:48 PM
I wouldn't imagine there would be anything connected to the foil.  It would simply be a single turn close-looped winding as seen by the core--maybe enough to create the ringing Grum is looking to find.

I also have no idea of the thickness or width, so we'll have to use our best judgment to start and try some variations to see if this heads in the right direction or not.

I believe it is connected to ground/negative in the schematic and open looped (not shorted or small gap).
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dog-One on March 16, 2014, 09:30:37 PM
I believe it is connected to ground/negative in the schematic and open looped (not shorted or small gap).

I saw that.  What I have to wonder is if that is all there is to it.  Very easy to leave off a tiny but most important piece from a schematic or patent for that matter.

Just an open-loop foil on the outside may not produce the effect I think Grum was looking for, but a closed-loop on the inside...?   Maybe.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 16, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
I saw that.  What I have to wonder is if that is all there is to it.  Very easy to leave off a tiny but most important piece from a schematic or patent for that matter.

Just an open-loop foil on the outside may not produce the effect I think Grum was looking for, but a closed-loop on the inside...?   Maybe.

Dear Dog-One.

Sorry no, that would create a shorted turn!! Just tried it !!  :)

It is more likely an RFI suppressor or electrostatic collector. It could also create a virtual ground ??

There have also been suggestions about fitting a flywheel diode across the Mosfet however I can say that this supresses the ring completely. There are so many variables to this transformer that I feel without a little more knowledge it's like trying to shoot the bulls eye blindfolded !! Well it's keeping me off the streets that's for sure !!  :)

Cheers Grum.

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 04:40:31 AM
http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/strahlung/00053/00673/03156/index.html?lang=en

Please keep your, your family members and pets safety in mind while experimenting with free energy devices that produce considerable oscillating magnetic fields of high frequencies. Better keep them inside a faraday cage or something that limits the spread of the fields.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 17, 2014, 06:09:45 AM
http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/strahlung/00053/00673/03156/index.html?lang=en (http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/strahlung/00053/00673/03156/index.html?lang=en)

Please keep your, your family members and pets safety in mind while experimenting with free energy devices that produce considerable oscillating magnetic fields of high frequencies. Better keep them inside a faraday cage or something that limits the spread of the fields.

Best,

I cook on induction burner.. still healthy.  We are talking about a lot lower wattage here.  I am not worried.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 17, 2014, 06:49:58 AM
You guys ignored my comments about discussing and agreeing on how to make your input and output power measurements.  Likewise nobody commented on my remarks about constructing a timing diagram with the aid of your scope as a way to understand how the circuit works.  From my perspective before you even get the project going you are sticking your heads in the sand.  On the other hand, some of you are convinced that the circuit is going to be over unity without even having built it.  That is not wise.

I read all of your comments over the past few days.  The comments say a lot about many of you with respect to your inexperience in electronics.  What's very obvious is that as a group of replicators and interested followers that will be contributing to the thread, you need a mentor that will guide you through your replications and the subsequent investigation.  The best case is that someone among the replicators understands electronics and has real-world experience and will give you guidance because nearly all of you really need it.

If no one takes heed of my advice, I am afraid this one will not get very far, and no one will come to a definitive conclusion.  In other words, the same old frustrating pattern that we have seen many times before.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 17, 2014, 07:04:04 AM
you need a mentor that will guide you through your replications

You want to be our mentor.  That is fine with me.  I welcome all input (as long as it isn't trolling).
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: DilJalaay on March 17, 2014, 07:39:48 AM
@MileHigh, and all, good day,


i never post on this thread because people think i am dis-tractor or time waster.


from the beginning i feel that this forum needs a clear theory about this circuit how it works.


it is looking so simple, only a frequency and duty cycle chip and a ferrite transformer.


we can not get the best result if no one in us have a clear cut idea or theory how this circuit works.


if any one here, to guide us , is most welcome.


we need no video or schematic, we only need correct theory.


Regards,
D.J


 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 17, 2014, 08:17:17 AM
Here after brake going Back EMF and self oscilations of probarly primary windings in my one ferite transformer.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 17, 2014, 09:55:33 AM
@MileHigh, and all, good day,


i never post on this thread because people think i am dis-tractor or time waster.


from the beginning i feel that this forum needs a clear theory about this circuit how it works.


it is looking so simple, only a frequency and duty cycle chip and a ferrite transformer.


we can not get the best result if no one in us have a clear cut idea or theory how this circuit works.


if any one here, to guide us , is most welcome.


we need no video or schematic, we only need correct theory.


Regards,
D.J


 

Don't be put off posting on any thread, just because you fear being branded a distractor and time waster. To some members of this forum, anyone showing the slightest sign of doubt that this or that video is showing a device self-running as claimed is marked down as a waste of time, government agent / shill.

I can understand why the guy needed some form of inverter to run his LED lamp given that it was manufactured with a converter to run off the grid. I'm sure that at least one those building this circuit will manage to light an LED element, powered by a 12V battery and even light the same lamp as featured in the video even if the converter cannot be isolated from the LED element. A successful builder could also post their own faked video showing an LED lamp operating in an apparently self-running mode, simply by concealing the battery behind the circuit board. This will surely strengthen the belief amongst the 'believers' that the original video was indeed a self-runner as someone else has appeared to replicate it! Attempting to replicate a self-runner is to my mind a waste of time unless the video is accompanied by an explanation of its principle of operation and full build details. We should expect nothing short of this from anyone being honest and genuine in the wish to participate in an open sourced FE environment.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 17, 2014, 10:23:30 AM
So he removed video. He write (then not be removed), that acumulator is removed from this projector, it remaded.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 17, 2014, 12:38:11 PM
4Tesla:

Sorry, but I am not interested in becoming a mentor to the group on this thread.  I was just offering some good suggestions for doing the analysis of the circuit and turning it into a good learning experience for many.  So perhaps there is someone that will help you, or, you will undertake to collectively help yourselves.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 17, 2014, 01:14:57 PM
Try to make this generator of free energy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eutZNkSddg&edit=vd (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eutZNkSddg&edit=vd)
But unsucsesfully, first with about 10-5 % duty cycle, then with 45 %, more seems that need small duty cycle. Without secondary conected, power consumptions is small, then conect secondary, it makes big. One of my diodes is not shotky. Load is LED lamp of nominal voltage 36-48 volts.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lanenal on March 17, 2014, 02:17:05 PM
After watching the video, I am not convinced of overunity, mainly because the duration is short, it looks like even a well built joule thief can light up the LED like that and last for that long. What do you think?


I suppose a healthy bit of suspicion might save us rushing into replication and wasting our time and energy.


Best wishes,


lanenal
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 02:25:35 PM
Try to make this generator of free energy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eutZNkSddg&edit=vd (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eutZNkSddg&edit=vd)
But unsucsesfully, first with about 10-5 % duty cycle, then with 45 %, more seems that need small duty cycle. Without secondary conected, power consumptions is small, then conect secondary, it makes big. One of my diodes is not shotky. Load is LED lamp of nominal voltage 36-48 volts.

No need to be happy, the builder is following this thread and is unhappy with the results. See his latest comments on his video after I asked in Russian to share the circuit.

Not that easy. Hmm..

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 17, 2014, 04:14:48 PM
No need to be happy, the builder is following this thread and is unhappy with the results. See his latest comments on his video after I asked in Russian to share the circuit.

Not that easy. Hmm..

Best,

Yes, I see that the circuit that he references is the Same circuit that is MISSING the Ground from the Voltage divider, LED indicator from the 12 regulator supply, and from PIN #16 on the TL494.

I commented about this apparent error on page 6 of this thread......

take care, peace
lost_bro

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 17, 2014, 05:11:05 PM
I now use other transformer, like in picture and in video. I use low frenquency and burn LED lamp (because get wery hight voltage of Back EMF in low frenquency). Secondary windings I not use at that time.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 19, 2014, 11:39:32 AM
Dear All.

I spent another fruitless evening looking for anomalies, nothing to report.

If I have correctly read the schematic, the Mosfet switches in series with the transformer and the load is fed after the primary winding?? In other words current is drawn through L1 to light the LED's ?? So could this be why I am not seeing anything unusual ?? The simple reason being I am not pulling enough current through L1 to create a strong magnetic field ??

For the EE's, can I use my PWM connected as in  figure 4 from the attached PDF ??   To create the condition I have explained above ??

Thought or comments gratefully received.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 19, 2014, 02:54:10 PM
Dear All.

I spent another fruitless evening looking for anomalies, nothing to report.

If I have correctly read the schematic, the Mosfet switches in series with the transformer and the load is fed after the primary winding?? In other words current is drawn through L1 to light the LED's ?? So could this be why I am not seeing anything unusual ?? The simple reason being I am not pulling enough current through L1 to create a strong magnetic field ??

For the EE's, can I use my PWM connected as in  figure 4 from the attached PDF ??   To create the condition I have explained above ??

Thought or comments gratefully received.

Cheers Grum.
Do like in this picture and you, I think, have bigest chance to make this divice). This schematic is from author.
He say, that first wound primary coil of 15 turns, turn to turn wound, then piesce of paper and wound secondary coil 45 turns, also turn to turn. Coils wound like show in schematic in oposite directions.
Also not wery clearly say, but something like this, that after primary coil is short turn of ecran (one turn of tape of specific metal, maybe cuper is good) and after secondary coil is short turn of ecran. So wound primary, then tape of paper, then ecran short, then secondary, then ecran short. Load 5-20 W LED 12 V.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 19, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
@Grumage, MenofFather and others: Keep up the good work, we will get there somewhen, im sure. I cant help much here atm, as im still busy with 2-3 other devices and wanted to wait for RMcybernetics PCB before i start.
Men of Father, well good luck!!!!! But u sure that schematic came directly from akula? If u shouldnt be succesful like this, maybe u can try again with a ground(minus) connection on the other side of R20. If u are in contact with akula, maybe u can ask him about this connection too?
Also try to confirm the schematic he sends u is really the one u received, perhaps he can have a quick look here.

All the best and kind regards!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 19, 2014, 03:48:59 PM
"In other words current is drawn through L1 to light the LED's ??"
Yes. Driving LED back EMF of L1 seams.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 19, 2014, 03:51:32 PM
@Grumage, MenofFather and others: Keep up the good work, we will get there somewhen, im sure. I cant help much here atm, as im still busy with 2-3 other devices and wanted to wait for RMcybernetics PCB before i start.
Men of Father, well good luck!!!!! But u sure that schematic came directly from akula? If u shouldnt be succesful like this, maybe u can try again with a ground(minus) connection on the other side of R20. If u are in contact with akula, maybe u can ask him about this connection too?
Also try to confirm the schematic he sends u is really the one u received, perhaps he can have a quick look here.

All the best and kind regards!
NO. Schematic not from akula, but from man, who make this free energy divice. Akula not answering to questions, he only to one my question answer. And help me only, then I work on it one divice...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 19, 2014, 05:16:38 PM
Dear All.

I spent another fruitless evening looking for anomalies, nothing to report.

If I have correctly read the schematic, the Mosfet switches in series with the transformer and the load is fed after the primary winding?? In other words current is drawn through L1 to light the LED's ?? So could this be why I am not seeing anything unusual ?? The simple reason being I am not pulling enough current through L1 to create a strong magnetic field ??

For the EE's, can I use my PWM connected as in  figure 4 from the attached PDF ??   To create the condition I have explained above ??

Thought or comments gratefully received.

Cheers Grum.

Good day Grum:

Basically when designing and SMPS one must take into consideration Switching Frequency, operating Flux Density, resulting core loss and desired operating temperature.  Also depending on the topology of the device, full bridge, push-pull, forward, buck , boost, cuk, sepic, etc; you must know before hand which quadrant(s) of the B/H curve you plan to operate within. ..

 Without sounding like a broken record repeating the Zen interelatedness of the various factors which are all critically related,  I want to mention just a few facts that affect the design of the SMPS XFMR.  I think this is useful for review considering that the design of SMPS XFRMRs is just as much an art as it is a science.

It is without doubt the most difficult piece of an SMPS to be designed.....

 DC conduction losses and AC switching losses:


 Transformer losses can be divided into:
1:  core loss — the energy used in magnetizing the core, and:
2:  conduction loss associated with passing current through the windings of the transformer (I2R losses).   Meaning that wire size, path length and winding density all have a role to play.

The inductor core loss is an AC loss that is a function of switching frequency. Core losses are due mainly to magnetic hysteresis loss, which can be imagined as the friction generated as the Magnetic field induced by the inductor snaps past the crystalline lattice of the inductor matrix (material composing the inductor).   In a high frequency SMPS, the core material may be powdered iron or ferrite. In general, powdered iron cores saturate softly but have high core loss, while ferrite material saturates more sharply but has less core loss.

Unfortunately, you also have to deal with Conduction and Switching losses generated by the Switch (MOSFET) also:

When you double the switching frequency in a design, you halve your flux density for a given number of turns in the transformer.

So:

Smaller cores can more easily tolerate a higher peak flux density at higher switching frequencies than larger cores. Why? Because core loss is proportional to volume but cooling is proportional to the core’s radiating surface area.

I have seen more than one Russian designed 'eternal light device' that the developer has complained of 'MOSFET overheating problems'.

Please see link from Wesley;        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUxFuW3JYdY

Anyhow, I see a trend here on these devices in general:   There is some type of anomaly involving the functioning of the transformer to invoke an excess of energy production:  This directly affects the functioning of the MOSFETs, maybe throwing them into Avalanche mode or at any rate affecting the switching behavior as to illicit an overheating condition.

I have attached more detailed information on SMPS core selection and magnetic information FYI.

Well, I wish you the best of luck with this.

take care, peace
lost_bro



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 19, 2014, 05:27:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img)


This is, I believe, the principle of the Akula device.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 19, 2014, 05:56:45 PM
Do like in this picture and you, I think, have bigest chance to make this divice). This schematic is from author.
He say, that first wound primary coil of 15 turns, turn to turn wound, then piesce of paper and wound secondary coil 45 turns, also turn to turn. Coils wound like show in schematic in oposite directions.
Also not wery clearly say, but something like this, that after primary coil is short turn of ecran (one turn of tape of specific metal, maybe cuper is good) and after secondary coil is short turn of ecran. So wound primary, then tape of paper, then ecran short, then secondary, then ecran short. Load 5-20 W LED 12 V.

Could you please draw a graphic of how you think transformer wound.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 19, 2014, 06:46:21 PM
Could you please draw a graphic of how you think transformer wound.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 19, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
Thank you MenofFather  8)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Les Banki on March 20, 2014, 02:39:03 AM
 Hi guys,

 
I have been monitoring this thread from start.

 
Here is what I see:

 
The 'Akula0083 circuit' you are trying to duplicate is essentially a simple device which
(for simplicity), can be divided into two (2) sections:

 
a.  Control (“exciter”)
b.  “Free energy”

 
I comment mainly on the control section which you have thoroughly messed up!
Admit it or not, most of you have contributed to this.

 
I am particularly critical of some of the 'technical' comments made!
They are WAY OFF!

 
OK.
The control section is based on the TL494 PWM IC which has been around for over 30 years.
It became an industry standard, so to speak.
In the past, most computer SMPS used this IC.
It is well understood and works well.

 
If you care to watch (and pay attention!) to the video where Akula explains all three (3) versions of his MOSFET drivers, you would not be confused and would stop 'butchering' the circuit!

 
For example, arguments are still raging about that Ground wire connection to pin 16 of  TL494.
Know this:
If you remove that connection (like I have seen in some diagrams in this thread), you will also lose the Ground connection to the indicator LED HL11 AND the Ground connection to voltage divider R9-R11-R10 which will result in error amplifier A1+ (pin 1) will be at the supply voltage (+12V) potential trough R9 and part of R11 (pot)!

 
This has already been pointed out by one poster ('lost_bro' on page 6) and yet, even as I write this, yet another diagram appeared (“Akmodedit.png”) where that Ground connection is MISSING!
This diagram has been REPEATEDLY posted!

 
In other words:
By removing that Ground connection in the diagram, you DISABLE not only the indicator LED but also DISABLE BOTH error amplifiers, A1 & A2!

 
If you pay proper attention to the details in this video:

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch) feature=player_embedded&v=EwCS15pRtH0&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EwCS15pRtH0&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74)

 
you will see that the disputed Ground link (connection) is PRESENT in all 3 versions of the diagram.
No, you don't even have to understand the language!

 
By the way, the author announced a few days ago that English subtitles are coming soon!

 
Then there is one other point which everyone have missed, including Akula it seems!

 
Irrespective of which (of the 3) MOSFET drivers you use, there is only ONE MOSFET in this device and the drive is single-ended.
Period.

 
Yet, the output logic control (pin13) is tied to pin 14 which is the reference voltage.  (+5V, ±5%)
Therefore, the output stage is operating in push-pull mode.
(Only one poster commented on this, in RED, written over the diagram.)

 
Sure, it still works this way BUT the output frequency is only HALF the oscillator frequency.

 
If pin 13 was connected to Ground (0V), the output would operate in the single-ended mode which gives the option to parallel the two output transistors, thus gaining significant current drive to the MOSFET, either directly or through the complementary NPN/PNP driver, or through the dedicated Mosfet driver IC (IXDD609 or similar).

 
Lowest rise/fall times are achieved with dedicated Mosfet drivers (they are MOSFET based).
However, unless I need super fast switching, I prefer the complementary npn/pnp driver since I found that the MOSFET drivers are too “touchy” for experimental work (meaning they are too easy to blow up!).

 
To those who intend to try to duplicate this circuit, my advice is:
Make sure the control section works properly before attempting to experiment with the free energy section (which the transformer is part of).

 
Also, don't fall for all that nonsense (yes, nonsense!) about input/output power measurements as some posters promote!
Why do I make such a statement?
Simple.

 
You are NOT dealing with a device with a claim of marginal OU in the order of a few percent which could perhaps be a measurement error!

 
If you want to know the input power to this device, I can give it to you right now:
The TL494 IC, running on a 15V supply has a maximum current draw of 10 mA.
(average 7.5 mA)
That translates to 150 mW (0.15 W). (maximum)
Add the 12V regulator's power consumption of approx. 96 mW (maximum) and you have a
TOTAL of 246 mW (0.246 W)

 
Now, just for the hell of it, DOUBLE it and round it to 0.5 W.

 
However, this device will produce 30 W (or more) depending on the LOAD and the transformer
you use.

 
I hope you can see the stupidity of those who blindly INSIST on input/output measurements!
Don't get me wrong.
Sure, you will be curious (as you should be!) about the output power of your device!

 
With devices like these, you may face a very different kind of problem!
Avalanche.  Yes, avalanche.
I hope you know what that is.
(It is a runaway condition which, if not controlled, can cause DESTRUCTION of great magnitude.)
Don't believe it?
Fine.  But don't complain if something blows up in your face!  (or worse)

 
Oh...'MenofFather' posted suggestions to the winding method, including SHORTED turns!

 
Guys, with all due respect, with that kind of suggestions you will never get anywhere!
Guaranteed!

 
Cheers,
Les Banki

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: ramset on March 20, 2014, 03:15:24 AM
Mr.Banki
It is good to see you here,most are probably not aware of you experience and skills [all top shelf].
 
thanks for taking the time to contribute.
 
Chet K
PS
I did send you a Private Message
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 20, 2014, 03:25:46 AM
Hi guys,

 
I have been monitoring this thread from start.

 
Here is what I see:

 
The 'Akula0083 circuit' you are trying to duplicate is essentially a simple device which
(for simplicity), can be divided into two (2) sections:

 
a.  Control (“exciter”)
b.  “Free energy”

 
I comment mainly on the control section which you have thoroughly messed up!
Admit it or not, most of you have contributed to this.

 
I am particularly critical of some of the 'technical' comments made!
They are WAY OFF!

 
OK.
The control section is based on the TL494 PWM IC which has been around for over 30 years.
It became an industry standard, so to speak.
In the past, most computer SMPS used this IC.
It is well understood and works well.

 
If you care to watch (and pay attention!) to the video where Akula explains all three (3) versions of his MOSFET drivers, you would not be confused and would stop 'butchering' the circuit!

 
For example, arguments are still raging about that Ground wire connection to pin 16 of  TL494.
Know this:
If you remove that connection (like I have seen in some diagrams in this thread), you will also lose the Ground connection to the indicator LED HL11 AND the Ground connection to voltage divider R9-R11-R10 which will result in error amplifier A1+ (pin 1) will be at the supply voltage (+12V) potential trough R9 and part of R11 (pot)!

 
This has already been pointed out by one poster ('lost_bro' on page 6) and yet, even as I write this, yet another diagram appeared (“Akmodedit.png”) where that Ground connection is MISSING!
This diagram has been REPEATEDLY posted!

 
In other words:
By removing that Ground connection in the diagram, you DISABLE not only the indicator LED but also DISABLE BOTH error amplifiers, A1 & A2!


 
Cheers,
Les Banki


Good evening Les:

I've read about your work with the HHO, fuel injectors and the like (PESwiki);
I've also spent about 10 years playing with/experimenting with the SM resonant HHO system.  Had some interesting results, but not like SM described.

Great to get your input on this circuit.  I have not had time to wire it together yet, but I've been following the thread everyday.
Seems plausible, but you are correct to comment that if the signal generator / logic side does NOT function, nothing will function, not even with the original correct coil that Akula used.  So many variables to deal with.   I have wound many many coils dealing with the SM system and I will be the first to tell you that XFRMR design is very tricky territory.

Best of luck to everyone.
take care, peace.
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 20, 2014, 06:16:54 AM
@Les Banki

Great post..  Thanks You!   8)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Groundloop on March 20, 2014, 07:38:50 AM
@All,

I can't understand why people still are discussing the "ground issue" of the TL494.
This issue was solved in post 1 of this thread. All you have to do is download
the file "Akula30Wattv2.rar", unzip the file and look at my circuit drawing. I did
understand when I designed the circuit that the ground was missing and included
a ground path on the PCB. It was also discussed on page 1 of this thread. I was
asked by Grumage to design a PCB. That was what I did. There is nothing wrong
with my PCB as far as I can see. It may not be the best design but it will do the
job.

GL.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 20, 2014, 08:49:36 AM
Due to proposed avalanche effect the name of the thread should be changed to Drakula runaway generator.  ;D ;D

Mr. Banki scared me by saying something can blow in my face.   :-\

Pun intended.

Best,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 20, 2014, 08:57:04 AM
"For example, arguments are still raging about that Ground wire connection to pin 16 of  TL494.Know this: If you remove that connection (like I have seen in some diagrams in this thread), you will also lose the Ground connection to the indicator LED HL11 AND the Ground connection to voltage divider R9-R11-R10 which will result in error amplifier A1+ (pin 1) will be at the supply voltage (+12V) potential trough R9 and part of R11 (pot)!"
Author also write something about 16 leg, that it must be conected to ground if I good remember...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on March 20, 2014, 09:09:30 AM
See this and correct the circuit  ;)

http://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/132-ustanovka-akula0083/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/132-ustanovka-akula0083/%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D960%26bih%3D600
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 20, 2014, 09:29:06 AM
Les:

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Also, don't fall for all that nonsense (yes, nonsense!) about input/output power measurements as some posters promote!

Your statement is the nonsense statement.  There have been countless projects similar to this in the past, many where people made PCBs.  There has been no magic with all of the past projects, so why should anyone just blindly believe and not try to make any measurements?

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You are NOT dealing with a device with a claim of marginal OU in the order of a few percent which could perhaps be a measurement error!

What you ARE dealing with is just claim and a few Russian video clips.  Why should a transformer or an inductor for this variation on a pulse circuit be any different than all the other previous circuits that failed?  If people try to make serious measurements of the input and output power then they at least learn something that they can apply to other projects.  They may even be tempted to follow the signal path like I said and understand how the circuit actually works.

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If you want to know the input power to this device, I can give it to you right now:
The TL494 IC, running on a 15V supply has a maximum current draw of 10 mA.
(average 7.5 mA)
That translates to 150 mW (0.15 W). (maximum)
Add the 12V regulator's power consumption of approx. 96 mW (maximum) and you have a
TOTAL of 246 mW (0.246 W)

You have got to be kidding.  I am looking at the Russian schematic and I see the 12-volt supply is connected to the top of the L1 transformer coil through a diode, another 'L1,' and R1.  The bottom of the transformer L1 is connected to the MOSFET drain.  That path supplies the power to the main transformer that drives the LEDs.  So you are not even accounting for the main power consumption path in the schematic.

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However, this device will produce 30 W (or more) depending on the LOAD and the transformer
you use.

Possibly, but you had better measure power drain from the battery at the same time and do your due diligence like any normal person should.  The proper terminology is "output 30 watts" and not "produce 30 watts."  Don't be surprised if the power drain from the battery is more than 30 watts.

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I hope you can see the stupidity of those who blindly INSIST on input/output measurements!

You have it the wrong way around.  Not making measurements is when you are blind.  That is the stupid thing to do.

All:  Don't take some Russian guy's word that this circuit is magic and outputs 30 watts from nowhere.  Make measurements and use your heads to start thinking for yourselves.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 20, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
Also author wrote, that use not 12 volts stabiliser, but 9 volts.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 20, 2014, 09:51:38 AM
MileHigh (http://www.overunity.com/profile/milehigh.20740/), about that meshurement you speaking? Author get selfrunning.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 20, 2014, 12:09:43 PM
Dear Les Banki.

Welcome.  :)

I found your post both informative and inspirational, thank you.  :)

I feel it is a good thing that there are members of this forum who have a much greater understanding of things, electronic, and are willing to freely share this knowledge to those less fortunate !!

As you rightly mentioned the electronic control circuit has no mystery, the mystery being solely rooted in the transformer!! This is the beast that we should all experiment with.

On a different note, initial prices are in for the components and as always the final price of a built and tested drive circuit will depend on the number of units produced !!

I should be able to provide a better idea of cost, later today or tomorrow.

Till then,  :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 20, 2014, 04:22:10 PM
Due to proposed avalanche effect the name of the thread should be changed to Drakula runaway generator.  ;D ;D

Mr. Banki scared me by saying something can blow in my face.   :-\

Pun intended.

Best,

True when working with any device like this.   Circuit protection such as fuse or breaker can help.  Also wear eye protection.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 20, 2014, 08:17:01 PM
For example, arguments are still raging about that Ground wire connection to pin 16 of  TL494.
Know this:
If you remove that connection (like I have seen in some diagrams in this thread), you will also lose the Ground connection to the indicator LED HL11 AND the Ground connection to voltage divider R9-R11-R10 which will result in error amplifier A1+ (pin 1) will be at the supply voltage (+12V) potential trough R9 and part of R11 (pot)!

 
This has already been pointed out by one poster ('lost_bro' on page 6) and yet, even as I write this, yet another diagram appeared (“Akmodedit.png”) where that Ground connection is MISSING!
This diagram has been REPEATEDLY posted!


Well, as Russians usually say - who are soldering radio circuits will spot and correct mistakes. For others these circuits have no real value.
In USSR times Russian radio enthusiasts was always correcting mistakes from circuits in radio journals to make them work. And also if you understand what driver circuit is expected to do you can swap to equivalent one - like 555 timer circuit with very low duty cycle... ;)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on March 20, 2014, 08:21:00 PM

Hello All,
This is from the Russian forum where the original modified circuit was posted:

4 сообщений
Отправлено 02 Март 2014 - 09:26
TOPruslan сказал(а) 19 Фев 2014 - 07:02:
Ребят , я тут языком чесать не регистрировался. Извините , если что не так. Но у Акулы есть не только фонарик на 1 Ватт !!! У него есть схема,которая  у меня служит доказательством существования СЕ :)  Это фонарь на все 30 Ватт. Собирается на ШИМ контроллере 494 и парочкой транзюков. Конечно без катушки тут не обошлось. Она там проста и легко делается. Но есть на схеме подвох. 16 нога микрухи скорее всего на корпусе ("-") или генератор не выпускает на выход ничего. Кренку я заменил на 9 вольтовую , так как 12 вольт старт и кренка 12 вольт...Ну тут как то не алё. Катушку мотал как написано,но при этом использовал провод 1мм. Вместо светодиодов использовал один мощный прожектор - светодиод на 10 Ватт. Подрубал ещё параллельно один и всё работало. Но тут есть ещё одна фигня ! 2 дня я ждал что будет с этой все схемой. Горело всё красиво. Но в оди вечер погасло :) Решил разобраться , в чём дело ?!  Рассыпался сердечник трафа так, как будто кто-то  стукнул его молотком. Я склеил заново супкр клеем и запустил. В таком состоянии он работал ещё 2 дня и повторилась история. Только теперь он лопнул в других местах. Думал , что же такое ? Оказывается , сделал ошибку при намотке и экранировании , где между катушками поместил экран из меди. При этом замкнув его в один виток. Тоже самое сделал и поверх вторички. Но там он распаялся и прожёг изоленту,намотанную с верху. Вообщем устранил я все эти глупости и сейчас всё пока горит уже 4-ый день. Не прикосаюсь пока. Схема проста , но детали все нужно искать такими,что указанны в схеме. особенно диоды на выходе. (Ребята, как сюда картинку засунуть Вам)
   Привет всем, не вижу опции написать самому Руслану, поэтому может бть он прочтет и ответит, в приведенной вами схеме на стр 7  вы много чего поменяли он изначальной, , вы добавили один транзистор, диод и так далеею Вероятно в ыочень хороший эдектронщик, если способны так лихо изменять схемы, и , конечно возникает вопрос, а почему вы не захотели попробовать на имеющейся схеме , вероятно она была не оригинальная и нас пытались специально ввести в заблуждение или наоборот? имеющаяяся схема с другого форума , может быть специально с ошибками / ведь авторство не известно прилагаю  файл

Posted March 2, 2014 - 9:26
TOPruslan said ( a) February 19, 2014 - 7:02 :
Guys , I've been scratching your language is not recorded . Sorry if that is not so . But the Sharks have not only 1 watt flashlight ! He has a scheme that I have is proof of the existence of the CE :) This lantern on all 30 watts. Going to the PWM controller 494 and a couple tranzyukov . Certainly without coil there has not been . It is simple and there is easily done . But there is a catch on the scheme . 16 foot mikruhi likely on the body ( "-") or the generator does not produce output anything. Krenke I replaced the 9 volt , 12 volt since the start and Krenke 12 volts ... Well here as it is not ale . Coil shook as it is written , but he used 1mm wire . LEDs used instead of one powerful searchlight - 10 Watt LED . Hem parallel to one another and everything worked. But there is another garbage ! I waited 2 days what will happen to all of this scheme. Burned all beautifully . But Odie extinguished evening :) I decided to find out what's the matter ? Crumbled core cores as if someone hit him with a hammer. I re- glued supkr glue and ran . In this state, he worked for 2 more days and repeated the story . Only now he burst elsewhere. Thought , what is ? It turns out , had made a mistake when winding and shielding where placed between the coils of copper screen . While hooked it in one turn . Did the same thing over and the secondary . But there it is soldered and burned insulation tape wound to the top. I even eliminate all this nonsense and now everything is lit until the fourth day. Prikosatsya not yet. The scheme is simple , but the details need to look for all those that are specified in the schema. especially at the output diodes . ( Guys like you shove here image )
   Hi all, I do not see an option to write most Ruslan , so he can bt read and respond to you here on page 7 scheme you a lot of things have changed it original , you've added a transistor , a diode , and so probably in Dale yochen edektronschik good , if they are able so valiantly to change the scheme , and of course the question arises , why do not you want to try on the existing scheme , it probably was not the original , and we specifically tried to mislead or vice versa? imeyuschayayasya scheme from another forum , can be specifically with errors / authorship is not known.

This was translated by Google, not me.  I know the translation sucks, but TOPruslan, the creator of the modified circuit speaks about winding the transformer and the two copper shields and a short circuit that burned it......


Here is the Link: http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/132-ustanovka-akula0083/page-14

seems to be alot of other information and zip files available if you register.

take care, peace.
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 20, 2014, 08:45:27 PM
Dear lost_bro.

Many thanks for that very interesting translation.

HOPE !!  So the Ferrite self destructs !! NAR ?? NMR ??

BTW keep looking at your PM's !!  ;)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: elementSix on March 20, 2014, 09:04:17 PM
Sorry for your thread Grumage,  I think Les is right.  It's being highjacked and being destroyed before it has even started.  Trust yourself  in the end.  I don't know much on the workings of circuits like this but I would look for the impulse creation from this circuit.  If it's like his other setups, then there has to be an impulse of some sort created in there somewhere.   Anyways I found this SSTC circuit from way back and found it interesting that it ran off of the TL494 also.  just interesting.  Good Luck
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 20, 2014, 11:48:50 PM
http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/132-ustanovka-akula0083/page-8#entry11192

TOPruslan: Обмотка мотается так : 1. Сперва мотаете с края  15 витков , а затем прокладываете бумажку и мотаете 45 витков поверх. Позже выложу как было у меня.
Translation: windings are done in this way: 1. First you wind 15 turns from beginning, put paper between and later on wind other coil of 45 turns on top of primary. Later will show how I have it.

So my assumption seems correct in way of windings are made.. :)

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 21, 2014, 06:09:13 AM
"
4 сообщений
Отправлено 02 Март 2014 - 09:26
TOPruslan сказал(а) 19 Фев 2014 - 07:02:
Ребят , я тут языком чесать не регистрировался. Извините , если что не так. Но у Акулы есть не только фонарик на 1 Ватт !!! У него есть схема,которая  у меня служит доказательством существования СЕ :)  Это фонарь на все 30 Ватт. Собирается на ШИМ контроллере 494 и парочкой транзюков. Конечно без катушки тут не обошлось. Она там проста и легко делается. Но есть на схеме подвох. 16 нога микрухи скорее всего на корпусе ("-") или генератор не выпускает на выход ничего. Кренку я заменил на 9 вольтовую , так как 12 вольт старт и кренка 12 вольт...Ну тут как то не алё. Катушку мотал как написано,но при этом использовал провод 1мм. Вместо светодиодов использовал один мощный прожектор - светодиод на 10 Ватт. Подрубал ещё параллельно один и всё работало. Но тут есть ещё одна фигня ! 2 дня я ждал что будет с этой все схемой. Горело всё красиво. Но в оди вечер погасло :) Решил разобраться , в чём дело ?!  Рассыпался сердечник трафа так, как будто кто-то  стукнул его молотком. Я склеил заново супкр клеем и запустил. В таком состоянии он работал ещё 2 дня и повторилась история. Только теперь он лопнул в других местах. Думал , что же такое ? Оказывается , сделал ошибку при намотке и экранировании , где между катушками поместил экран из меди. При этом замкнув его в один виток. Тоже самое сделал и поверх вторички. Но там он распаялся и прожёг изоленту,намотанную с верху. Вообщем устранил я все эти глупости и сейчас всё пока горит уже 4-ый день. Не прикосаюсь пока. Схема проста , но детали все нужно искать такими,что указанны в схеме. особенно диоды на выходе. (Ребята, как сюда картинку засунуть Вам)
   Привет всем, не вижу опции написать самому Руслану, поэтому может бть он прочтет и ответит, в приведенной вами схеме на стр 7  вы много чего поменяли он изначальной, , вы добавили один транзистор, диод и так далеею Вероятно в ыочень хороший эдектронщик, если способны так лихо изменять схемы, и , конечно возникает вопрос, а почему вы не захотели попробовать на имеющейся схеме , вероятно она была не оригинальная и нас пытались специально ввести в заблуждение или наоборот? имеющаяяся схема с другого форума , может быть специально с ошибками / ведь авторство не известно прилагаю  файл

Posted March 2, 2014 - 9:26
TOPruslan said ( a) February 19, 2014 - 7:02 :
Guys , I've been scratching your language is not recorded . Sorry if that is not so . But the Sharks have not only 1 watt flashlight ! He has a scheme that I have is proof of the existence of the overunity :) This lantern on all 30 watts. Going to the PWM controller 494 and a couple transistors . Certainly without coil there has not been . It is simple and there is easily done . But there is a catch on the scheme . 16 foot mikroscheme likely on the body ( "-") or the generator does not produce output anything. Voltage stabiliser I replaced the 9 volt , 12 volt since the start and voltage stibiliser 12 volts ... Well here as it is not ale . Coil shook as it is written , but he used 1mm wire . LEDs used instead of one powerful searchlight - 10 Watt LED . Hem parallel to one another and everything worked. But there is another garbage ! I waited 2 days what will happen to all of this scheme. Burned all beautifully . But Odie extinguished evening :) I decided to find out what's the matter ? Crumbled core cores as if someone hit him with a hammer. I re- glued supkr glue and ran . In this state, he worked for 2 more days and repeated the story . Only now he burst elsewhere. Thought , what is ? It turns out , had made a mistake when winding and shielding where placed between the coils of copper screen . While hooked it in one turn . Did the same thing over and the secondary . But there it is soldered and burned insulation tape wound to the top. I even eliminate all this nonsense and now everything is lit until the fourth day. Not touch yet. The scheme is simple , but the details need to look for all those that are specified in the schema. especially at the output diodes . ( Guys like you shove here image )
   Hi all, I do not see an option to write most Ruslan , so he can bt read and respond to you here on page 7 scheme you a lot of things have changed it original , you've added a transistor , a diode , and so probably in Dale good electronik man , if they are able so valiantly to change the scheme , and of course the question arises , why do not you want to try on the existing scheme , it probably was not the original , and we specifically tried to mislead or vice versa? imeyuschayayasya scheme from another forum , can be specifically with errors / authorship is not known.

This was translated by Google, not me.  I know the translation sucks, but TOPruslan, the creator of the modified circuit speaks about winding the transformer and the two copper shields and a short circuit that burned it......"

I little corect words.


Then I say about ecran I mean shielding and screen... ;D
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 21, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
Also, don't fall for all that nonsense (yes, nonsense!) about input/output power measurements as some posters promote!

Why do I make such a statement?
Simple.
You are NOT dealing with a device with a claim of marginal OU in the order of a few percent which could perhaps be a measurement error!
 
If you want to know the input power to this device, I can give it to you right now:
The TL494 IC, running on a 15V supply has a maximum current draw of 10 mA.
(average 7.5 mA)
That translates to 150 mW (0.15 W). (maximum)
Add the 12V regulator's power consumption of approx. 96 mW (maximum) and you have a
TOTAL of 246 mW (0.246 W)
Now, just for the hell of it, DOUBLE it and round it to 0.5 W.
However, this device will produce 30 W (or more) depending on the LOAD and the transformer
The power measurements relate to the whole device, not only to its "control section".
You accounted for the power output of the main transformer but you did not account for its power input - a major oversight.

It makes great sense to make O/I power measurements unless you have a long-term self-runner without an external power supply.
...and if you don't, then power measurements provide a reliable indication how far off from the self-running goal, the device is tuned.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 21, 2014, 02:01:20 PM
Why should a transformer or an inductor for this variation on a pulse circuit be any different than all the other previous circuits that failed? 

As you rightly mentioned the electronic control circuit has no mystery, the mystery being solely rooted in the transformer!! This is the beast that we should all experiment with.
Yes, the control circuit is not mysterious at all.
If there is any magic, it is in the transformer.

For example, MenofFather (http://www.overunity.com/profile/menoffather.24405/) hast posted a winding layout diagram here (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg393505/#msg393505) that according to conventional electronic principles of engineering, has no chances of functioning.
Mr. LesBanki has noticed these shorted turns and stated:
Oh...'MenofFather' posted suggestions to the winding method, including SHORTED turns!
Guys, with all due respect, with that kind of suggestions you will never get anywhere!  Guaranteed!
And he is correct within the boundaries of conventional electronics. 
However if some unconventional piece of physics happens in those shorted turns (e.g. McFreey's beta current) then the senseless becomes the sensible.

I decided to find out what's the matter ? The core crumbled as if someone hit it with a hammer. I re-glued them with super glue and it worked. In this state, it worked for 2 more days and then the story repeated, only now it broke elsewhere.  What is it - I wondered ? 
It turned out, that I had made a mistake with the placement of windings and copper tape shielding...

Dear lost_bro.  Many thanks for that very interesting translation.
HOPE !!  So the Ferrite self destructs !! NAR ?? NMR ??
So as you can see again and again, this transformer is a very complicated and "mysterious" device ;)

The core can break due to excessive heating (usually caused by hysteresis losses) or due to acoustic stress (usually caused by magnetostriction).
The acoustic pressure waves can reflect from the boundaries of the core and form acoustic standing waves of very high amplitudes.
These hi.ampltude standing waves appear only at specific frequencies and they can break up the core ...or affect the nuclei if one gets the B & f just right.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: wattsup on March 21, 2014, 05:51:10 PM
@All

I went to that Russian forum and tried reading the thread with Google translate but it provides more of a linguistic massacre of what is being said then giving a good enough idea of what is really being said. What we need is anyone with some time to scour those forums and get specific posts done by Akula0083.

I think I read him saying the transformer is wound in normal way but can't find where again.

This is totally crazy that the winding of a two coil E core becomes so complicated that guys have to rely on gut feeling or others to get the right information.

The problem I forsee now is this.

You should not make the circuit yet. Try and build into the circuit a means of changing the frequency range of the pot because most likely, the circuit diagram will provide a fixed range of frequency adjustment but if you are a tad too low, you will never see the effect.

Then look again at the Akula0083 diagram. It is not your standard pulse to primary then output off the secondary because there are interconnections at the C3 cap and the MBR3545 diode going before the drive mosfet IRF3205 to the secondary side. If that diode hits a reverse threshold condition what will happen? Then you have the secondary that is not isolated at all but is being feed by the same feed as the drive circuit from one end through R3 , then the drive circuit pumps the primary to impart more to that same secondary (DC + DC) and on the other side of the secondary is going to a series tank where you have the C4, R2 and another diode that can also be in resonance, before the load.

All this is already enough Out of the Box already and does not require that the E core winding is wound like the @T1000 method. Sorry @T1000 for always using your name to identify the Ecore winding overlapping the core gap that I still think is not correct.

wattsup
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 11111 on March 22, 2014, 04:39:48 AM
The schematic that TOPruslan (successful replicator) uses, has 2000μF capacitors not 2200μF.
See: http://imageshack.com/a/img819/1125/v836.jpg

Changes that TOPruslan made to the schematic:

1) Pin 16 must be connected to the ground.
2) C11 must be connected to the input Pin of VR-7812 and not after the inductor.
3) The wire for both windings must be 1mm.

See: http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/89-razborki/?p=11778
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 22, 2014, 07:03:13 AM
The schematic that TOPruslan (successful replicator) uses, has 2000μF capacitors not 2200μF.
See: http://imageshack.com/a/img819/1125/v836.jpg (http://imageshack.com/a/img819/1125/v836.jpg)

Changes that TOPruslan made to the schematic:

1) Pin 16 must be connected to the ground.
2) C11 must be connected to the input Pin of VR-7812 and not after the inductor.
3) The wire for both windings must be 1mm.

See: http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/89-razborki/?p=11778 (http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/89-razborki/?p=11778)
He also say "Транс мотайте по картинке", that means, transformer need wound like in picture, so  I understand, primary wound on one side of core, secondary on another side of core. :)
Maybe then not need screens or only one screen?
(https://dfsuknfbz46oq.cloudfront.net/p/icons/kolourpaint.png)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 22, 2014, 01:51:35 PM
He also say "Транс мотайте по картинке", that means, transformer need wound like in picture, so  I understand, primary wound on one side of core, secondary on another side of core. :)
Maybe then not need screens or only one screen?
(https://dfsuknfbz46oq.cloudfront.net/p/icons/kolourpaint.png)

Dear MenofFather and all.

From that statement "transformer need wound like in picture" . I deduce that we still have T-1000's original coil layout as attached below.

We have been given a turns count L1 = 15 Turns.  L2 = 45 turns.  But the photo clearly shows us, that externally we have the same or similar height to the two coils. Suggesting to me that there are at least 30 turns underlying both halves !!  I am basing this thought on that L2 would be twice a high as L1 !!

I have also attached a picture of my Mk2 rewound transformer.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: starcruiser on March 22, 2014, 03:57:06 PM
not unless the wire gauges are different between L1 and L2
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 22, 2014, 06:45:03 PM
not unless the wire gauges are different between L1 and L2

Dear starcruiser.

Very true comment, but the schematic clearly states 0.75mm2 for both primary and secondary !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on March 22, 2014, 08:09:36 PM
U doin great work Grumage!  :) All the others too, of course....

Type of wire might be important too (solid, litz, multiple from each other isolated strands, silver/tin plated), maybe even insulation material of wire (dielectric properties)

regards
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: starcruiser on March 23, 2014, 05:25:15 AM
Dear starcruiser.

Very true comment, but the schematic clearly states 0.75mm2 for both primary and secondary !!

Cheers Grum.


Grum I stand corrected, I went back thru the thread and noted the wire size.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: oscar on March 23, 2014, 09:15:14 AM
Hi Grumage and all,

you might enjoy this post by user "dieter" about transformer winding
http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg393985/#msg393985
in the thread "Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE".
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 24, 2014, 12:10:52 AM
you might enjoy this post by user "dieter" about transformer winding
This guy doesn't have the basic engineering knowledge, e.g. he doesn't know that multiplying average Volts by average Amps does not yield average Watts for most non-DC waveforms (the #1 error made on these forums).
Also, he does not realize that shorted windings oppose any flux variations inside them.

When I pointed out these basic errors to him he called it institutional dogma and used a derogatory AdHominem word to describe my scientific critique.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: ramset on March 24, 2014, 01:40:42 AM
Verpies
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When I pointed out these basic errors to him he called it institutional dogma and used a derogatory AdHominem word to describe my scientific critique
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missguided Zeal with a mix of pride  can cloud ones judgement at times.
taking guidance and scrutiny during moments like that can be very hard to do.
 
you are a tremendous asset to this community ,thanks for all you do.
 
Chet
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 24, 2014, 02:13:08 AM
This guy doesn't have the basic engineering knowledge, e.g. he doesn't know that multiplying average Volts by average Amps does not yield average Watts for most non-DC waveforms (the #1 error made on these forums).
Also, he does not realize that shorted windings oppose any flux variations inside them.

When I pointed out these basic errors to him he called it institutional dogma and used a derogatory AdHominem word to describe my scientific critique.

With all this was said there is some truth even in that part:

http://teslasforsustainablesociety.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/fig119.gif (http://teslasforsustainablesociety.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/fig119.gif)

When Thane Heinz had re-found regenerative accceleration(first it was with Faraday motor-generator applied in Bruce Depalma N machine) effect, he also made that transformer - http://teslasforsustainablesociety.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/bi-toroid-transformer/ (http://teslasforsustainablesociety.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/bi-toroid-transformer/)

In the end, it is magnetic field what was been manipulated so it all boils down to geometry and magnetic forces applied... ;) Also still raises questions about what do we know about magnetic field, why it make electrons flow in wire when changing in strength (induction) and how we can use it for proper arrangement so no Lenz law will be there(dual magnetic fields configurations or similar).
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 24, 2014, 03:02:36 AM
In the end, it is magnetic field what was been manipulated so it all boils down to geometry and magnetic forces applied... ;) Also still raises questions about what do we know about magnetic field, why it make electrons flow in wire when changing in strength (induction) and how we can use it for proper arrangement so no Lenz law will be there(dual magnetic fields configurations or similar).
The mainstream science does not know all about magnetic fields.  We don't even get a proof that electric current in solid conductors is all carried by charged electrons.
However the heuristic engineering formulas are mostly correct, even if they are built upon faulty conceptual framework.  Apple on Earth really falls at 9.8m/s2 , even if they don't exactly know what "pulls" it.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 24, 2014, 08:02:52 PM
The clip attached shows three electrolytic caps plus a possible fourth dark green coloured cap. Could this be a super-cap??
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 24, 2014, 08:41:12 PM
The clip attached shows three electrolytic caps plus a possible fourth dark green coloured cap. Could this be a super-cap??

Good evening Hoppy.

I have attached a revised copy of your clip showing what I feel are the two capacitors you are referring to.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 24, 2014, 09:13:29 PM
Good evening Hoppy.

I have attached a revised copy of your clip showing what I feel are the two capacitors you are referring to.

Cheers Grum.

Evening Grum,

Are you referring to the cap connected to pin 'CT' of the TL494 chip? I had discounted this as it looks way too large to be a cap needed for TL494 external components.

Regards
Hoppy
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 24, 2014, 10:41:29 PM
Evening Grum,

Are you referring to the cap connected to pin 'CT' of the TL494 chip? I had discounted this as it looks way too large to be a cap needed for TL494 external components.

Regards
Hoppy

Dear Hoppy.

Sorry a bit of missinfo !! They are actually the capacitors associated with the Voltage regulator. C6 and C13,  being 100uF and 100 nF respectively.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 24, 2014, 10:56:26 PM
Dear All.

I have just finished chatting with T-1000. He passed on this fairly simplified control circuit which might help those, like me, who have a bit less electronic skills.

I am also providing an eBay link for 1 W LED's that will be just right for a starting load.

 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-1W-High-Power-Pure-White-LED-Bright-Light-Lamp-Bulb-Bead-DIY-/251088281787?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a760720bb

Keep on trucking !!  :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 24, 2014, 11:14:16 PM
Grumage:

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I am also providing an eBay link for 1 W LED's that will be just right for a starting load.

Do you know if any of the replicators have a digital storage oscilloscope with math functions?  I believe that a good PC-based digital oscilloscope can also do math functions.

Without the ability to compute the real-time-sampled voltage and current going into the LEDs you can't measure the power going into the LEDs.  The frequency of the pulse waveform will give you a sense for how high the minimum sampling rate has to be.  The higher the pulse frequency the higher the minimum sampling rate.

Plan B involves choosing the proper value of resistor and replacing the entire LED array with the resistor.  Then all that you need is a true-RMS multimeter.  The assumption is that the bandwidth in the pulse waveform will not be too high for the multimeter.  But that should also be verified to ensure that you are making a correct power measurement.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 24, 2014, 11:51:07 PM
Dear Hoppy.

Sorry a bit of missinfo !! They are actually the capacitors associated with the Voltage regulator. C6 and C13,  being 100uF and 100 nF respectively.

Cheers Grum.

Thanks Grum. I agree that the caps are probably C6 and C13. However, I would like to see a close-up of C13 as it still appears to be way too large for a 100nF. I suspect that its an electrolytic and possibly a super cap.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 25, 2014, 12:10:14 AM
Grumage:

Do you know if any of the replicators have a digital storage oscilloscope with math functions?  I believe that a good PC-based digital oscilloscope can also do math functions.

Without the ability to compute the real-time-sampled voltage and current going into the LEDs you can't measure the power going into the LEDs.  The frequency of the pulse waveform will give you a sense for how high the minimum sampling rate has to be.  The higher the pulse frequency the higher the minimum sampling rate.

Plan B involves choosing the proper value of resistor and replacing the entire LED array with the resistor.  Then all that you need is a true-RMS multimeter.  The assumption is that the bandwidth in the pulse waveform will not be too high for the multimeter.  But that should also be verified to ensure that you are making a correct power measurement.

MileHigh

Dear MileHigh.

Although my Scope is pretty sophisticated it does not have a maths function.  Itsu on the other hand does have that facility. He is prototyping the control circuit as I write !!  :)

My gut feeling tells me that a resistive load would not create the same circumstances as LED's would.  Because they also have minute capacitance and are for the most part forward (one way) conducting.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 25, 2014, 12:55:28 AM
It's great to hear that Itsu is going to build the circuit.  I love his scope and he does great builds.  It almost looks like this is basically a "solid state Bedini" setup with a bunch of "extra" components.  If that is confirmed to be the case then when the MOSFET switches off the main L1 in the transformer (in tandem with the battery) discharges its stored magnetic energy as a current pulse.  If you look at the schematic and follow the current loop it takes a "loopy" pathway through a whole bunch of components.  Also if that is the case it won't matter very much if the load is an LED array or a resistance, they both will dissipate a somewhat similar amount of power.  To be more specific, the higher the value of the load resistance proportionally more power will be dissipated in the load resistance.  It all depends on the relative resistance of every component in the current loop.

It should be an interesting set of tests.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 25, 2014, 01:07:44 AM
It's great to hear that Itsu is going to build the circuit.  I love his scope and he does great builds.  It almost looks like this is basically a "solid state Bedini" setup with a bunch of "extra" components.  If that is confirmed to be the case then when the MOSFET switches off the main L1 in the transformer (in tandem with the battery) discharges its stored magnetic energy as a current pulse.  If you look at the schematic and follow the current loop it takes a "loopy" pathway through a whole bunch of components.  Also if that is the case it won't matter very much if the load is an LED array or a resistance, they both will dissipate a somewhat similar amount of power.  To be more specific, the higher the value of the load resistance proportionally more power will be dissipated in the load resistance.  It all depends on the relative resistance of every component in the current loop.

It should be an interesting set of tests.

There is even more than this in circuit :)

Here is how I see it:

MOSFET ON - pulse goes over L2 and charges capacitor C4. The load is getting disconnected from power

MOSFET OFF - BEMF kicks in with opposite direction (C3 gets charge) from primary L1 and it goes in series with charged capacitor C4 all way back to C11 which gets charged with voltage kick from BEMF+current from C4. Also when C4 gets discharged the remaining BEMF gets over diodes and L2 back to C11->R1 to complete path. The load takes the residue of BEMF pulse and comes back to discharge C3+C11 over L1.

P.S> The function of C5 + R5 is still not clear to me in original circuit. Perhaps the intention was to manipulate duty cycle with this feedback path?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: cheappower2012 on March 25, 2014, 01:37:38 AM
Hoopy are you implying that the sharkhead's(Akula) device is a fraud,lol.
Akula was influenced by Westley's split yoke device which was never shown to work,
monkey see,monkey copy.In the past I seen at least 100 of this pulse at high frequencies
type of devices, none were overunity,none were self running.A large amount were errors
 in measurement,not flat out frauds
like it seems the Russians keep pumping out.Normally I find this whole thing amusing,its a future train wreck,
unfortunately a lot of people will get very discouraged.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 25, 2014, 01:44:07 AM
Depending on what frequency the oscillator runs at, it's possible that C3 provides enough low-pass filtering (i.e.; it filters out the high-frequency spikes) so that the voltage at the top of the LED array is mostly DC with a moderate voltage ripple.

For C5 and R5, you can say that C5 is like a high-pass filter, and what flows through R5 is mostly DC with a moderate voltage ripple.   So it could be that C5 and R5 are there just so you can put your multimeter across R5 and measure the average DC current flowing through the LED array.

You notice that if the above two conditions are true, the voltage at the top of the LED array is near-DC, and the average current through R5 is near-DC (to be verified with a scope) then you can make a decent measurement of the power flowing through the LED array with multimeters alone.

Anyway, no more predictions because it's too difficult to do and the scope may show a different story.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 25, 2014, 08:28:00 AM

P.S> The function of C5 + R5 is still not clear to me in original circuit. Perhaps the intention was to manipulate duty cycle with this feedback path?

How I understand, this function change duty cycle depending on load. Wihout load 0 precents duty cycle, with small load let say 20 precents, with big lload let say 60 precents.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 25, 2014, 09:47:51 AM
Hoopy are you implying that the sharkhead's(Akula) device is a fraud,lol.
Akula was influenced by Westley's split yoke device which was never shown to work,
monkey see,monkey copy.In the past I seen at least 100 of this pulse at high frequencies
type of devices, none were overunity,none were self running.A large amount were errors
 in measurement,not flat out frauds
like it seems the Russians keep pumping out.Normally I find this whole thing amusing,its a future train wreck,
unfortunately a lot of people will get very discouraged.

Although to me this circuit as it stands is clearly never going to self-run and in this respect is a future train crash, I do not feel that its a waste of time to build. Akula appears to have designed what he feels is an efficient LED driver operating from a low voltage battery source with energy conservation in mind, so I do see it worthwhile for those interested, building this circuit just to see if there is any efficiency to be had over a more conventional LED driver.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 25, 2014, 10:44:08 AM
Dear All.

I have just finished chatting with T-1000. He passed on this fairly simplified control circuit which might help those, like me, who have a bit less electronic skills.

I am also providing an eBay link for 1 W LED's that will be just right for a starting load.

 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-1W-High-Power-Pure-White-LED-Bright-Light-Lamp-Bulb-Bead-DIY-/251088281787?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a760720bb (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-1W-High-Power-Pure-White-LED-Bright-Light-Lamp-Bulb-Bead-DIY-/251088281787?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a760720bb)

Keep on trucking !!  :)

Cheers Grum.
I try that schematic without feedback. Then if wounded primary and on top secondary, then addading secondary, you get input current about 5 amps. And changing freenquency not help. So if you want try schematic with 45-50 duty cycle and wihout feedback, then wound primary and secondary coils on diferent sides of core, they must not intervealed be, not wound one on top other, then maybe you get selfrunning.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 25, 2014, 09:15:31 PM
I try that schematic without feedback. Then if wounded primary and on top secondary, then addading secondary, you get input current about 5 amps.
What frequency and load you are applying? for 15T primary, LEDs on load and high resonant frequency it should be low...
Also the duty cycle must be not 50% - less than 20%.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 26, 2014, 05:08:46 PM
The function of C5 + R5 is still not clear to me in original circuit. Perhaps the intention was to manipulate duty cycle with this feedback path?
On this schematic (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12307), the voltage signal taken from R5 must become negative to activate the 2nd error amplifier of the TL494 (pins 15 & 16) via R7.
If R5 is non-inductive then this would mean that the current through these load LEDs needs to flow in reverse for this to occur.

The 1st error amplifier of the TL494 (pins 1 & 2) is configured to react only to quickly falling edges at R5 (via R7).  The R11 pot determines how steep these falling edges need to be in order to trigger this 1st error amplifier.

Activation of either one of these error amplifiers will immediately decrease the output duty cycle of the TL494.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 26, 2014, 06:01:25 PM
What frequency and load you are applying? for 15T primary, LEDs on load and high resonant frequency it should be low...
Also the duty cycle must be not 50% - less than 20%.
Load buvo įvairus, nuo nieko iki šviesodiodo per 100 kiloomų rezistorių. Padarius duty cycle 20 proc. kiek sumažėja naudojama srovė, bet vis tiek pakankamai didelė. Kiek girdėjau, užvyniojus rites ant įvairių pusių, naudojama srovė sumažėja, gal taip ir reikia vynioti?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 27, 2014, 11:58:40 AM
Akula is separating the voltage and amperage, running the voltage through the leds and using the amperage to run the driver.
This is just an ignition coil and driver, notice the direction of the protection diode across the transistor.
The primary has a bemf that runs into the secondary this is the high voltage, the secondary also has a bemf, this runs through the protection diode, its direction through the diode is an indication of its polarity............. its neg.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 27, 2014, 02:40:24 PM
Akula is separating the voltage and amperage, running the voltage through the leds and using the amperage to run the driver.
That's ridiculous.
LEDs will not light without current flowing through them.
Voltage and Current cannot be separated - they are two different sides of the same coin. The former is the cause and the latter is the effect.

P.S.
"BEMF" does not mean that the direction of current through an inductor reverses when a switch opens.
In fact, the electric current remains flowing in the same direction through inductor's winding.
See this simulation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+1.2182493960703473+41+12.0+43%0A162+496+160+496+192+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+192+496+224+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+224+496+256+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+256+496+288+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+288+496+320+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0Av+288+224+288+160+0+0+40.0+10.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0AT+528+80+576+80+0+0.01+3.0+0.21785124776704234+-6.830473686658678E-18+0.999%0Ad+528+112+528+160+1+0.805904783%0Aw+496+160+528+160+0%0A159+400+224+400+256+0+20.0+1.0E10%0Aw+288+32+288+80+0%0Aw+288+80+288+160+0%0AR+352+240+320+240+0+2+500.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.3%0Ar+496+320+496+368+0+1.0%0Aw+288+224+288+368+0%0Ac+528+160+528+368+0+0.002+13.784003347977666%0Aw+496+368+528+368+0%0Ac+448+320+448+368+0+1.0E-5+0.0639247473696134%0Aw+496+368+448+368+0%0Aw+448+368+400+368+0%0Aw+288+368+400+368+0%0Aw+448+320+496+320+0%0Aw+528+112+400+112+0%0Aw+400+112+400+224+0%0Aw+400+256+400+368+0%0Ad+560+160+624+160+1+0.805904783%0Ar+624+192+560+192+0+420000.0%0Ac+624+224+560+224+0+1.0E-10+3.286134775073611E-13%0Aw+560+160+560+192+0%0Aw+560+192+560+224+0%0Aw+624+160+624+192+0%0Aw+624+192+624+224+0%0Aw+528+160+560+160+0%0Aw+608+112+624+112+0%0Aw+608+80+624+80+0%0Aw+624+112+624+160+0%0Aw+576+80+608+80+0%0Aw+576+112+608+112+0%0Ar+288+32+400+32+0+1.0%0Ar+288+80+400+80+0+0.22%0Aw+400+80+528+80+0%0As+624+32+624+80+0+1+false%0Aw+400+32+624+32+0%0As+352+240+384+240+0+0+false%0Ao+15+16+0+34+20.0+0.2+0+-1%0A).
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 27, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
That's ridiculous.
LEDs will not light without current flowing through them.
Voltage and Current cannot be separated - they are two different sides of the same coin. The former is the cause and the latter is the effect.

P.S.
"BEMF" does not mean that the direction of current through an inductor reverses when a switch opens.
In fact, the electric current remains flowing in the same direction through inductor's winding.
See this simulation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+1.2182493960703473+41+12.0+43%0A162+496+160+496+192+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+192+496+224+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+224+496+256+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+256+496+288+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0A162+496+288+496+320+1+3.0+1.0+1.0+1.0%0Av+288+224+288+160+0+0+40.0+10.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0AT+528+80+576+80+0+0.01+3.0+0.21785124776704234+-6.830473686658678E-18+0.999%0Ad+528+112+528+160+1+0.805904783%0Aw+496+160+528+160+0%0A159+400+224+400+256+0+20.0+1.0E10%0Aw+288+32+288+80+0%0Aw+288+80+288+160+0%0AR+352+240+320+240+0+2+500.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.3%0Ar+496+320+496+368+0+1.0%0Aw+288+224+288+368+0%0Ac+528+160+528+368+0+0.002+13.784003347977666%0Aw+496+368+528+368+0%0Ac+448+320+448+368+0+1.0E-5+0.0639247473696134%0Aw+496+368+448+368+0%0Aw+448+368+400+368+0%0Aw+288+368+400+368+0%0Aw+448+320+496+320+0%0Aw+528+112+400+112+0%0Aw+400+112+400+224+0%0Aw+400+256+400+368+0%0Ad+560+160+624+160+1+0.805904783%0Ar+624+192+560+192+0+420000.0%0Ac+624+224+560+224+0+1.0E-10+3.286134775073611E-13%0Aw+560+160+560+192+0%0Aw+560+192+560+224+0%0Aw+624+160+624+192+0%0Aw+624+192+624+224+0%0Aw+528+160+560+160+0%0Aw+608+112+624+112+0%0Aw+608+80+624+80+0%0Aw+624+112+624+160+0%0Aw+576+80+608+80+0%0Aw+576+112+608+112+0%0Ar+288+32+400+32+0+1.0%0Ar+288+80+400+80+0+0.22%0Aw+400+80+528+80+0%0As+624+32+624+80+0+1+false%0Aw+400+32+624+32+0%0As+352+240+384+240+0+0+false%0Ao+15+16+0+34+20.0+0.2+0+-1%0A).
I agree, moreover what's to stop the transistor from   being blown to smithereens.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 27, 2014, 11:23:40 PM
If you know it all then you should have a free energy device right  ;)

Quote
5.2 Diode characteristics
The most important characteristics when using power diodes is the maximum current in the forward direction (IFmax), and maximum voltage in the reverse direction (URmax).

Thats ridiculous
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: scratchrobot on March 27, 2014, 11:37:09 PM
If you know it all then you should have a free energy device right  ;)

Thats ridiculous


For such device to work we need ridiculous  ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 27, 2014, 11:40:53 PM
The sims dont impress me and are not accurate
Sure the current continues through the coil its the collapsing magnetic field that causes bemf, I never said the current reverses, a coil pulsed with current its bemf will be pos a coil pulsed with voltage its bemf will be neg.

When current first hits a coil the magnetic field is building (femf) as the current leaves the coil the magnetic field collapses (bemf)

Wake up


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 27, 2014, 11:58:38 PM
The sims dont impress me and are not accurate
Sure the current continues through the coil its the collapsing magnetic field that causes bemf, I never said the current reverses, a coil pulsed with current its bemf will be pos a coil pulsed with voltage its bemf will be neg.

When current first hits a coil the magnetic field is building (femf) as the current leaves the coil the magnetic field collapses (bemf)

Wake up

With BEMF on one side and capacitor discharge on another side of transformer where primary and secondary is connected in series over capacitor you have voltage and current.. And when transformer primary is only on half of secondary there is even more going on.

Or, when in a moment of BEMF rise you discharge capacitor over another coil in transformer and make circuit connections over coil which gives BEMF - it is another similar case.

You wanted ridiculous not well studied cases, so here it is :)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 28, 2014, 12:00:07 AM
Understand yet

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 28, 2014, 12:05:32 AM
Sorry Dave but Verpies knows his stuff.  I have encouraged you to do some real research and learn about electronics.  It's the Internet age.  Unfortunately you are set in your ways and as a result with respect to electronics you couldn't hit the side of a barn door from three feet away.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 28, 2014, 12:17:36 AM
Sorry Milehigh but your stuck in the same rut as Verpies but I will hold out hope.
Does your conventional view give you free energy, of course not it blinds you.

Later
dave
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 28, 2014, 12:43:52 AM
Current moves from neg to pos, the pos voltage moving in a circuit is a product of the coil, its the bemf from a neg pulsed coil.
If you run neg current, current is neg right, the electron is neg right  ::)
If you run neg current through a coil the coil has a neg charge, the ions that form around that coil will be pos, opposites attract, when the magnetic field from the neg pulsed coil collapses it will bring into the coil a pos charge which runs opposite the neg charge (bemf), now I never said the current changed directions but the bemf which is pos does run in the opposite direction, look at it from neg to pos flow.

Now if you look at it from a conventional view where current runs from pos to neg then you will never see it, in this view bemf looks like femf and the direction it moves through the diode makes it look like femf, you see no polarity change and are blinded.

A freewheeling diode is a classic example to you it looks as though the current keeps flowing in the same direction.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 28, 2014, 01:37:58 AM
The issue is that you are talking Davetalk.

You probably have heard that a perfect analogy to electricity is water flowing through pipes.  So if you take one of the simple circuits that you have looked at in the past, could you analyze the water-equivalent circuit?  If you can figure out the water circuit, then you can understand the electrical-equivalent circuit.

Why not try it?  Just take a very simple circuit, water version, analyze it, and then see how it shows you how the electrical circuit works.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 28, 2014, 01:47:37 AM
Thats a very big mistake electricity does not flow like water in a pipe or river or any other water analogy.

Electricity is pos and neg charges interacting not water in a pipe.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 28, 2014, 01:54:27 AM
I am telling you with 100% certainty that electricity is like water in a pipe.  Please take a very simple circuit and try to work it out.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 28, 2014, 02:10:21 AM
I am telling you with 100% certainty that electricity is like water in a pipe.  Please take a very simple circuit and try to work it out.


Electrostatic induction?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 28, 2014, 02:14:03 AM
No, the trick is to forget about the electrons and think about energy and power.  Look at everything in terms of energy and power.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on March 28, 2014, 02:20:14 AM
No, the trick is to forget about the electrons and think about energy and power.  Look at everything in terms of energy and power.
Or is the trick to stop thinking about  a negatively charged plate being neutralized by an equivalent  positive charge from a large object or ground?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 28, 2014, 02:30:47 AM
Look at static eliminators they produce pos and neg charges that neutralize static buildup by combining the charges, combined they become neutral.

Your conventional view does look like water in a pipe, but if you look at electron flow neg to pos the water analogy does not work, but you can keep your head in the sand if you want.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 28, 2014, 02:32:23 AM
Just try to do a simple circuit.  It's the future and Encyclopedia Galactica is at your fingertips.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 28, 2014, 02:34:33 AM
Iv built plenty of circuits how many if any have you built, do you have a bench do you actually do anything.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 28, 2014, 02:38:15 AM
No bench but I have worked on one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_7NO2Np5-s
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 28, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
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If you run neg current through a coil the coil has a neg charge, the ions that form around that coil will be pos, opposites attract, when the magnetic field from the neg pulsed coil collapses it will bring into the coil a pos charge which runs opposite the neg charge (bemf), now I never said the current changed directions but the bemf which is pos does run in the opposite direction, look at it from neg to pos flow.

By the same token if you pulse a coil with pos energy the coil takes on a pos charge and the ions that form around that coil will be neg, opposites attract,, when this magnetic field collapses it will bring into the coil a neg charge (neg bemf)

There's nothing extra dimensional about this, it all has a rational explanation, Iv heard that the charges disappear and reappear and other quantum complications but its really all about pos and neg charges.

When combined they cease to register on our meters but have just reached a combined neutral state, they have to be separated.

Electricity is the separation of pos and neg charges that need to combine to become neutral which is the natural neutral state that all nature seeks.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: adriangray on March 28, 2014, 08:47:21 PM
If you go to google translate and pull down the Russian key pad and copy the data in it will say some thing like one turn but not shorted out ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: adriangray on March 28, 2014, 10:57:06 PM
If electricity is like water how can we double the amount of water in the tube ? ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 28, 2014, 11:17:21 PM
If you go to google translate and pull down the Russian key pad and copy the data in it will say some thing like one turn but not shorted out ;)

Dear adriangray.

Welcome to OU.com.  :)

Luckily for us we have a number of fluent interpreters here, but thank you for your observation.

I have attached a drawing of the load current that is always present traveling through L1 on it's way to the LED's. My reason for this is to point out that the transformer is not being used in a conventional   way. There will be a constant flux in the core which will increase with the operation of the Mosfet switch at a frequency yet to be determined.

Study and ponder !! Comments, most welcome.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: adriangray on March 28, 2014, 11:22:51 PM
Hello every one I was initially wondering if any one had got any of the energy saving devices working, the Akula (shark), device, I have heard talk of a magic transformer, but I don’t see any evidence of that at all, as that only happens at resonance, as I found as a kid when I use to get my DRX1 crystal set to bang out radio Luxemburg at full blast down my head phones ;) by winding a weird transformer extra winding round the rf coil and feeding it back in.One thing I do notice is Mr. grumage is using a NE555 IC but it does not modify the wave form to synthesize the TI494 expected wave form, and the 494 is another kettle of fish in the way its configured in this circuit. ;) any way you need a diode to change the pulse width or it will use mega current and blow the MosFet
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 28, 2014, 11:29:35 PM
Grumage:

That basically is the main current path, although your red line is a bit coarse.  I am assuming that you are stating that the current flows through R5 at the end and not C5.

I don't believe anyone has discussed the "Stop" switch.  When I look at the schematic, it looks to me like the Stop switch has to be open-circuited for the circuit to run and light up the LEDs.  If that's true, then the whole circuit is just a glorified "solid state Bedini" circuit.  That's not good news because then all that you have to do then is measure the power-in and power-out.  Mother Nature will do her thing.

Dave:  Wasn't that cool?  A circuit made with water that does exactly the same thing as an electrical circuit.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 28, 2014, 11:53:59 PM
Dear MileHigh.

I agree the red line was a little coarse but in essence the current carries on to the negative rail via R5.

My interpretation of the stop switch is exactly that, a stop switch. If we have a "magical" transformer action then that is our replenishing path. Obviously this will become apparent, or not, once we have a complete prototype.

Dear adriangray.

The schematic you are referring to was a suggestion made by one of our members T-1000 with a view to a simple pulsing arrangement. See here. http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg394290/#msg394290

In the hope of perhaps finding anomalous transformer outputs.

The Guys over at OUR have spent a few days debugging the TL 494 and now seem to have a handle on it's operation. Please take a visit !!

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: adriangray on March 28, 2014, 11:58:44 PM
Hi and thanks for the welcome greeting, 
 
If  I can transfer some of my observations I have picked up through the years, I only hope that this might be of help, I’m no Russian scientist or guru but I have seen on some of the sites observations where the narrower the on pulse with the largest fly back ringing time in the, and a tuned (resonantly) tuned transformer the better the energy transferred, and most if not all appear to tune the tank output coil tuned to three times the fundamental (original) energy frequency so that it is phase locked also to the original and as the ringing almost stops, the wave form starts again.I would guess you would need a degree in this type of work to successfully excel in this field to produce a working device, like Eric  perhaps./
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: adriangray on March 29, 2014, 12:30:48 AM
this is a similar circuit you might want to watch, possibly where one idea might be a trigger to another on same lines.  >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_Bwwvlc3I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_Bwwvlc3I)  <
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 12:34:59 AM
Grumage:

Stop switch contemplation:
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: adriangray on March 29, 2014, 12:56:38 AM
Hi Mr. Grumage re your note on the stop switch, you have a very valid point with that circuit as it is, as with the switch closed it will draw loads of current and stop any work being done. You could try disconnecting the secondary and adding a shottky diode and a large cap and then adding it to the same circuit, then it would no longer stifle the workings of the circuit, but the current setup does not have any upper voltage control and might blow your LED’s if you have no limit resister.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 29, 2014, 03:27:04 AM
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Dave:  Wasn't that cool?  A circuit made with water that does exactly the same thing as an electrical circuit.

MileHigh

Lol
Ok MileHigh show me in your conventional view the reaction of the coil, show me the femf and bemf.
Try to be a little neater than your last drawing  :D

Oh yea bro this one is for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8y_fKEAMWw
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 04:27:47 AM
Dave:

The reaction of the coil, the BEMF, the FEMF, it's all there in water circuits.  Again, I am being serious.  I decided to freehand the second current loop because it would be a lot of work otherwise.

The auto mechanic's clip doesn't say anything besides the fact that they use electron current.  Who knows why they would be possessed to do that because I am willing to bet you the vast majority of car service manuals use conventional current.

So, what is a water inductor and a water capacitor?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 29, 2014, 12:29:00 PM
Someday bro you will see it, then you will have one of them oh $hit moments.

Most everyone knows that current runs from neg to pos and will tell you that they know its wrong but it works in circuit development and design so they keep using it.

Let agree to disagree I dont want to distract this thread, I think its a very worthwhile endeavor although I think the 80w circuit is simpler and would make a better test circuit, Im working on a variation now.

All the best
dave
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: wattsup on March 29, 2014, 01:09:50 PM
You guys really crack me up. There is this Akula device and you guys are worried about a water analogy for electrical effects. Besides, these is no right or wrong way to use an analogy. We use water to simplify the visualization (or brainwash hehehe) of electricity, just like we talk about the birds and the bees when explaining babies. EE is one of the domains where no proof does not hinder certitude of fact since you can produce any formula to rationalize reality to fit our limited minds. Religion is another. You will grow out of it in time.

About the circuit, the stop switch is to kill energy return from the secondary to the source. This is normal if you want an easy manual method of stopping the return in case R3 or C11 started heating up. He probably burnt a few of them while fine tuning his system, before putting the stop switch in there.

Always remember this is a self-running circuit. All the features of pulsing, secondary and return are in the circuit. During self-running you only have C11 and C5 to hold enough energy to run the circuit for a second at most.

Like I said at OUR, the L1/VT1/C3 combo is an analog or I would say a very smart variation of the Tesla Ozone Patent (TOP). In that patent Tesla explains that you can produce a damped impulse through a primary where the energy used can return to source. But here Akula is using the L1 for two usages, the first being an inductive source as in the motor coil of the TOP and second as the working transformer to impart to the secondary L2.

So the difference here compared to a TOP is that, instead of using the L1 pulse to then drive a primary to secondary coil to produce a discharge arc thus producing ozone, Akula is using it to directly drive the load (working primary without a secondary) where at the end of the load he put R5/C5 to reduce the bleed or load consumption to keep the system primed at all times and where he checks the system status. That is because the system cannot produce enough to run the load with straight ground hence full draw on the source will kill the looping effect.

The secondary L2 can then be freed 100% to simply concentrate its effort to produce enough output for the positive return line to C11.

So the L1 has two usages. It feeds the load directly via a TOP discharge and it energizes the secondary to recycle the energy. That is so smart that most of our brains will need an upgrade to understand it. hahaha

By contrast, our standard method of undamped pulse the primary and draw off the secondary where the energy used can never return to the source. Our whole EE system is based on undamped pulse.

The above also confirms to me that you don't need any special transformer winding other then what we use normally. That is, when primary is over the gap, the secondary is over another gap, or, when primary is on one side of gap, the secondary is on the other side of the same gap. Anything more and you are just creating unusable havoc and energy cancellation.

To test this is simple. Take any coil primary and tank it. Then take any battery and short it across the primary very quickly. Now look at the voltage on your tank. That's what is running the load. Then the secondary is free to return to source. Guys should be clamoring over their work benches by now.

wattsup

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 29, 2014, 01:43:06 PM
So the L1 has two usages. It feeds the load directly via a TOP discharge and it energizes the secondary to recycle the energy. That is so smart that most of our brains will need an upgrade to understand it. hahaha

By contrast, our standard method of undamped pulse the primary and draw off the secondary where the energy used can never return to the source. Our whole EE system is based on undamped pulse.

Lol that is true :D

The conventional circuit always kill dipole and fight energy return paths on inductive loads in contrast to what is being used here.

The engineers should start thinking from another side - how to apply choke (or current transformer) instead of one way transformer and use it's BEMF for recycling energy back to the source capacitors. Then you have energy saving circuit at least... So this is what circuit in topic is about plus I suspect it makes additional noise signal for unconventional transformer effects.

P.S> This is what Igor is trying to do in his latest videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFGTQ06yeEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFGTQ06yeEw)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: adriangray on March 29, 2014, 02:32:46 PM
Whattsup; Grumage; Mile High; and others.
 
I don’t know if you have noticed but the birds and the bees are in decline and the water is no longer has that magical sparkle, never loan Electrical qualities , but when I was in the telecom industry they use to say, ‘An expert’ was ‘Ex” as in the past tense, and a jet of water under pressure! But who knows what’s in the black magic box.
 
Re the L2 coil, as I was saying. I’m no Guru, but that L2 secondary is weird, if it’s ‘in’ the circuit the whole device just draws loads of current, its as if that diode in the return just wasn’t there, but if a fast diode is put in the top end where it joins the choke, and a capacitor to it’s negative end of the coil you wile get some positive drive back in, but it’s still not over unity, and if you put a 3.9 k from pin 4 of the 494 to 13 I can get the width of the drive pulse quite narrow and a pile of ringing stuff into the secondary, and also if you have a scope you could tune that width against the coil tuning of the coils and the fly back ringing, and then you need to look at the mode of the 494 against the push pull mode and single ended mode of the output stage, and then that circuit does not control the transfer voltage energy in that circuit and could be come a real problem with out limits, as the whole thing is ‘fly’ back, sucking energy back into the output from the core and the earth. Or should be? Roomer has it Lol
 
And don’t take life too seriously as no one has managed to get out alive, yet! 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 29, 2014, 02:39:49 PM
Dear All.

It has been pointed out to me privately that my "RED LINE" analogy, whilst Ok for a purely resistive load, is incorrect for an LED load. The fact is we have LED's in a series/parallel configuration. If we apply our 12 Vdc without the Mosfet being triggered then zero current will flow through the diodes simply because the forward voltage conduction threshold has not been reached!! Only when we start the flyback cycle will the voltage reach a high enough value to light the load.

Now the thread has reached a more pedestrian pace I would like to present a simulation for perusal by our more learned members of OU.com. I would be grateful for your feedback.


http://tinyurl.com/ojn5fu8

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: wattsup on March 29, 2014, 02:41:30 PM
Lol that is true :D

The conventional circuit always kill dipole and fight energy return paths on inductive loads in contrast to what is being used here.

The engineers should start thinking from another side - how to apply choke (or current transformer) instead of transformer and use it's BEMF to recycle energy back to the source capacitors. Then you have energy saving cicruit at least... So this is what circuit in topic is about plus I suspect it makes additional noise signal for unconventional transformer effects.

P.S> This is what Igor is trying to do in his latest videos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFGTQ06yeEw

Cheers!

@T-1000

I looked at that video just now but do not understand enough yet to discuss. When he slid the coil/light on that fat core block, I would have liked to see the same thing without the core to see the comparison. Also, he has no frequency count so you cannot just look at amperage/voltage without knowing the working frequency. But bulb output was good.

Just in case he does not know, maybe you can explain to him that when recharging the energy back to a battery, you should always remember that you will not be able to recharge more then 20% of the battery rated amperage at any one time. So if you have a 10 amp battery and measure recharge going back to the battery at 4 amps and you are wondering why the system is not looping, it is because you lost 2 amps as excess recharge. So you will need a second battery in parallel to accept the 4 amps at same voltage. I think he was within the 20% but just in case he wants to increase the size of this system, he may need a second battery at one point.

@all

I forgot to mention this about the circuit as far as I can see it. The L2 needs a ground (or a simulated ground) that I think he is making with the R2/C4 as a floating ground sink. This also ensures that if the secondary L2 recharge of C11 is at maximum, any remaining energy in the L2 can be bleed away by R2/C4 thus making sure the L2 is ready to accept the next impulse from L1. This ensures that the L2 will never choke out L1 (like if you shorted the L2) if C11 was always full charge.

wattsup

PS: This is a crazy week indeed. I just discovered this week that SM was doing the same thing as Akula although in a different manner, both are using one pulse to create two conditions that can be used separately or together. What a coincidence. I think this will be a good push forward for the OU community. The replication is one thing, but once you know the principle and it works in your mind, then this can be applied everywhere in so many creative ways. We have to get away from simple pulse primary bleed secondary. I really feel we are living in a great renaissance of energy for the world..

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: wattsup on March 29, 2014, 03:02:58 PM
Dear All.

It has been pointed out to me privately that my "RED LINE" analogy, whilst Ok for a purely resistive load, is incorrect for an LED load. The fact is we have LED's in a series/parallel configuration. If we apply our 12 Vdc without the Mosfet being triggered then zero current will flow through the diodes simply because the forward voltage conduction threshold has not been reached!! Only when we start the flyback cycle will the voltage reach a high enough value to light the load.

Now the thread has reached a more pedestrian pace I would like to present a simulation for perusal by our more learned members of OU.com. I would be grateful for your feedback.
Cheers Grum.

@Grumage

Can't help on the sim. In terms of the LEDs parallel/series, this is to match the load. If you have a little more amps, you add a new row. If you have a few more volts, you add a few LEDs to the end of those rows to get the amount you need to load without killing the loop.

Wow that flastad address you just posted has sent the page so wide it is difficult to read other post without panning left and right. Hmmm. Maybe if you can modify your post, first put that address in a text file and just post the text file. the page will comeback to normal size. hehehe

wattsup
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: starcruiser on March 29, 2014, 03:37:33 PM
@wattsup, can you edit your post and add a few carriage returns? It is kind of hard to read as a single sentence/line. Thanks
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 03:49:10 PM
This almost feels like a denial of service attack, from the Men in Black!  lol

We need a new page.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 03:51:39 PM
The solution is tinyurl.com.  The MeninBlackinator!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 05:12:08 PM
Dave:

It's unfortunate that you don't even want to try.  The first thing you need to master in electronics is basic circuit analysis.

The two-liter bottles that you saw in the clip are capacitors.  They didn't state it to keep the clip simple.

A water coil is a hose formed into a coil.  Shocking huh?

Now you know what the water equivalents are for resistors, capacitors, and inductors, you can look at any simple circuit and imagine what would happen if you made it from hoses, resistors like you saw in the clip, open-top two-liter bottles, and coils of hose.  Do you have the mechanical aptitude to visualize the water flow rates and water pressures in a water circuit?  What is the equivalent of back-EMF or a forward EMF spike?  What's the water analogy for a Bedini motor when you disconnect the charging battery and the neon starts to glow?

Please don't laugh off what I am saying.  The water analogy is awesome for understanding and visualizing how circuits work.

I hope we change pages now and I will go back to the main topic.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 06:03:23 PM
Wattsup:

I see you guys are posting up a storm about this on OUR.  BTW, the foil wrap around the transformer is just eye candy.  Itsu could confirm this by testing with and without the foil.  If the switching frequency is very high, then it may have some capacitive effects.  I am assuming that's not going to be the case.

I will comment on the annotated drawing.  I am assuming that the switching speed is high enough so C3 and C11 have very little ripple on their respective DC voltages.  Standard disclaimer, this would have to be verified on the bench and is subject to correction.

Case 1:  When the Stop switch is open-circuit.

When the MOSFET is on, the current flows through L1 and then through the MOSFET to ground.  This is the energizing phase for the magnetic core.  The LEDs may be lit from C3 still discharging from the previous cycle.  Note that in this case L2 has no effect on the circuit.

When the MOSFET switches off, the current flow follows the red path.  This is standard Bedini fare like I said before, with the addition of the big C3 decoupling cap to absorb the current spikes and convert them into the voltage that drives the LED array.  Not much exciting there.

Case 2:  When the Stop switch is a short circuit.

When the MOSFET switches on, L2 will output a DC EMF that is the duration of the on pulse.  The battery voltage plus the EMF generated by L2 (they add together) will then follow the blue DC discharge path on the schematic.  However, there is the 430 kohm resistor R2 in the path.  That's almost like an open circuit.  C4 will pass a tiny puff of AC current flow that will be absorbed by C3.  So there is a very tiny DC current flow and a little puff of AC current flow when the MOSFET first switches on.  The LED array will not light up, or it may be barely visibly lit.

Note that when the MOSFET is switched on the core of the transformer is still being energized and storing a significant amount of magnetic energy.

When the MOSFET switches off, this one might be an unpleasant surprise to some.  The current follows the green path.  There still may be some voltage in C3 that keeps the LEDs barely lit, but this has nothing to do with the green current path.

When you look at the green current path you notice that no energy at all is returned to C11.  All that happens is that the magnetic energy stored in the transformer core gets burned off in the wire resistance of L1 and L2, and the two diodes and the two resistors.  So when the MOSFET switches off, you get a "burn" and all of the energy stored in the transformer core gets turned into a puff of heat.

So to me, it looks like when the Stop switch is open-circuit the setup will be transferring battery power into the LED load and the LEDs will light up.  When the Stop switch is short-circuited the LEDs don't light or barely light and the circuit does nothing really except turn battery power into heat.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 29, 2014, 07:28:00 PM
If here not fake. Author say, that core destroing after some time, after 3-5 days about, then need it reglue... So maybe he use frenquency, with that need put on self resonance on mechanical vibrations on ferite? And he also write, that wound need like in picture. And I, think, than shield of cuper not important. He also mention, that first thing, that ferrite destroy because shield make short turn, but, now he say seems, that ferrite destroing not of shortied shield resason, but it destroing by itself after some days.

 :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 29, 2014, 08:13:16 PM
Dear All.

I have made the simulation URL smaller as requested, thanks MileHigh !! However when I open the file I can't see the correct simulation. Does anyone else have any luck ?

http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg394925/#msg394925

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 29, 2014, 10:04:09 PM
Grumage!

The simulation of your circuit runs!  I looked at it and I got it right in my analysis!  Woo!  Hoo!

MileHigh

Here it is again:  http://tinyurl.com/ojn5fu8 (http://tinyurl.com/ojn5fu8)

Very nice job on the simulation BTW.

If some people are having trouble it might be because Java is not installed or it's blocked.  On my computer I have to click through three or four approvals before I run a Java applet.  That's intentional because I love to hate Java and Flash.  Flash is enabled of course because the Internet is infested with it.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 29, 2014, 10:39:04 PM
@Dave
It is true that you  did not state that the current through a deenergizing inductor reverses but you seem to have implied it.
The voltage (EMF) generated across such deenergizing inductor may appear too reverse if you measure it between two different points in a circuit (e.g. in the Boost Converter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter) circuit).

All EEs and physiciscts understand it very well and there is no need for you to educate us on this part.  We are not sleeping as you have implied.

Also, the fact that a diode has two major ratings (max forward current and max reverse blocking voltage) does not mean that current can be separated from voltage as a concept.

As far as the nature electricity, it is fine to question it.  We do not have a proof that charged electrons are the sole carriers of electric current in solid conductors, although this is often assumed and taught in educational institutions. 
But, for engineering purposes it just does not matter.  The Ohm's law, Faraday's law of induction, etc... are heuristic, empirical laws that were bench proofed for centuries.  Electric circuits really behave according to them even if most of us don't know what goes on under the hood.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 29, 2014, 10:51:19 PM
Case 1:  When the Stop switch is open-circuit.
When the MOSFET is on, the current flows through L1 and then through the MOSFET to ground.  This is the energizing phase for the magnetic core.  The LEDs may be lit from C3 still discharging from the previous cycle. 
Yes. These load LEDs can also be lit from the turn-on transient when the bootstrap power is first applied to the whole circuit.
L1, C3, R1 and R5 form a series LCR circuit that makes this possible. 
This is boring, of course.  I wrote it only for completeness.

When the MOSFET switches off, the current flow follows the red path.  This is standard Bedini fare like I said before, with the addition of the big C3 decoupling cap to absorb the current spikes and convert them into the voltage that drives the LED array. Not much exciting there.
Yes, it has a high yawn factor. With the L1 circuit alone, it works as a standard Boost Converter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter).

Case 2:  When the Stop switch is a short circuit.
When the MOSFET switches on, L2 will output a DC EMF that is the duration of the on pulse.  The battery voltage plus the EMF generated by L2 (they add together)
You can't be sure of that because the dot convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot_convention#Terminal_layout_conventions) on that schematic (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12307) cannot be trusted.

will then follow the blue DC discharge path on the schematic.  However, there is the 430 kohm resistor R2 in the path.  That's almost like an open circuit.  C4 will pass a tiny puff of AC current flow that will be absorbed by C3.  So there is a very tiny DC current flow and a little puff of AC current flow when the MOSFET first switches on.
Yes, if L2 is really connected so that the battery voltage plus the EMF generated by L2 add together.
It is interesting to consider the motives of the designer here.  Why did he think that R2 and C4 are needed at all?

When the MOSFET switches off, this one might be an unpleasant surprise to some.  The current follows the green path.  There still may be some voltage in C3 that keeps the LEDs barely lit, but this has nothing to do with the green current path.
When you look at the green current path you notice that no energy at all is returned to C11. 
The behavior of the circuit appears different if you look at this simulation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+1.2182493960703473+34+12.0+43%0A162+352+176+352+208+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+208+352+240+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+240+352+272+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+272+352+304+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+304+352+336+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0Av+144+240+144+176+0+0+40.0+12.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0AT+384+96+432+96+0+0.01+3.0+3.8989708282707225+-3.2029934260435766E-14+0.999%0Ad+384+128+384+176+1+0.805904783%0Aw+352+176+384+176+0%0A159+256+240+256+272+0+0.1+1.0E10%0Aw+144+48+144+96+0%0Aw+144+96+144+176+0%0AR+208+256+176+256+0+2+500.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.3%0Ar+352+336+352+384+0+1.0%0Aw+144+240+144+384+0%0Ac+384+176+384+384+0+0.002+3.1405987589909654%0Aw+352+384+384+384+0%0Ac+304+336+304+384+0+1.0E-5+8.181455513067702E-12%0Aw+352+384+304+384+0%0Aw+304+384+256+384+0%0Aw+144+384+256+384+0%0Aw+304+336+352+336+0%0Aw+384+128+256+128+0%0Aw+256+128+256+240+0%0Aw+256+272+256+384+0%0Ad+416+176+480+176+1+0.805904783%0Ar+480+208+416+208+0+420000.0%0Ac+480+240+416+240+0+1.0E-10+2.291367096063368E-11%0Aw+416+176+416+208+0%0Aw+416+208+416+240+0%0Aw+480+176+480+208+0%0Aw+480+208+480+240+0%0Aw+384+176+416+176+0%0Aw+464+128+480+128+0%0Aw+464+96+480+96+0%0Aw+480+128+480+176+0%0Ar+144+48+256+48+0+1.0%0Ar+144+96+256+96+0+0.22%0Aw+256+96+384+96+0%0As+480+48+480+96+0+1+false%0Aw+256+48+480+48+0%0As+208+256+240+256+0+0+false%0Ag+144+384+144+400+0%0Aw+432+96+464+128+0%0Aw+464+96+432+128+0%0Ax+372+118+390+122+0+16+L1%0Ax+426+117+440+120+0+12+L2%0Ax+266+367+287+371+0+16+C5%0Ax+274+260+303+264+0+16+VT1%0Ax+391+303+412+307+0+16+C3%0Ax+113+199+142+203+0+16+12V%0Ax+351+158+372+162+0+16+D1%0Ax+438+162+459+166+0+16+D2%0Ax+498+79+546+82+0+12+Click+me%0Ax+261+319+339+322+0+11+TL494+feedback%0Ax+270+329+334+332+0+11+take-off+point%0Ao+15+16+0+34+5.0+3.2+0+-1%0A) with the L2 connection reversed.

There you can actually see the current  returned to C11 (a battery in the simulation).
The D2 - the2nd diode (the one associated with L2) starts conducting when the voltage across C3 + L2 exceeds the battery voltage.
In this scenario, the effect of D2 seems to be to limit the voltage of C3+L2's EMF to less than battery voltage.  Like an overvoltage non-dissipative clamp (http://powerelectronics.com/site-files/powerelectronics.com/files/archive/powerelectronics.com/images/509PET22.pdf) of sorts...

It is interesting to note, that the feedback take-off point (junction of R5 & R7) used by the TL494 PWM controller to shorten its output ON pulse width, matters only when its voltage level falls to 0V (or below ground) or when its voltage decrease rate (slew rate of the falling edge) exceeds -6.6V/ms to -18V/ms (see Itsu's experimental video here (http://youtu.be/exIFDDgSrng)).

There are very few cases when this TL494 feedback path would be activated.  Why would the author design such rare feedback pulse width limiting condition anyway?

Perhaps that Akula circuit is pure nonsense ...or perhaps when some unconventional magical event happens in the transformer, a very strong pulse is created in L2.  So strong that the feedback point  (junction of R5 & R7)  is quickly taken below ground for a brief time and a huge pulse of energy is returned to the battery (C11) through D2.

I know that, such event is far out, ...but this forum is about keeping our mind open to such possibilities, isn't it?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Magluvin on March 30, 2014, 12:14:00 AM
In the sim shown, if you right click on the switch being fed by the timing signal, the ohms of the switch is set at 20ohms(default). 

Im not seeing the inductors/caps nor the switch that cuts off the battery source.  The missing inductors affect efficiency.

Ill see if I can mod the circuit to fit those things.

Mags
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 30, 2014, 12:41:56 AM
I'm not seeing the inductors/caps nor the switch that cuts off the battery source.  The missing inductors affect efficiency.
In the simulation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+1.2182493960703473+34+12.0+43%0A162+352+176+352+208+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+208+352+240+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+240+352+272+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+272+352+304+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0A162+352+304+352+336+1+3.0+0.0+0.0+1.0%0Av+144+240+144+176+0+0+40.0+12.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0AT+384+96+432+96+0+0.01+3.0+3.8989708282707225+-3.2029934260435766E-14+0.999%0Ad+384+128+384+176+1+0.805904783%0Aw+352+176+384+176+0%0A159+256+240+256+272+0+0.1+1.0E10%0Aw+144+48+144+96+0%0Aw+144+96+144+176+0%0AR+208+256+176+256+0+2+500.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.3%0Ar+352+336+352+384+0+1.0%0Aw+144+240+144+384+0%0Ac+384+176+384+384+0+0.002+3.1405987589909654%0Aw+352+384+384+384+0%0Ac+304+336+304+384+0+1.0E-5+8.181455513067702E-12%0Aw+352+384+304+384+0%0Aw+304+384+256+384+0%0Aw+144+384+256+384+0%0Aw+304+336+352+336+0%0Aw+384+128+256+128+0%0Aw+256+128+256+240+0%0Aw+256+272+256+384+0%0Ad+416+176+480+176+1+0.805904783%0Ar+480+208+416+208+0+420000.0%0Ac+480+240+416+240+0+1.0E-10+2.291367096063368E-11%0Aw+416+176+416+208+0%0Aw+416+208+416+240+0%0Aw+480+176+480+208+0%0Aw+480+208+480+240+0%0Aw+384+176+416+176+0%0Aw+464+128+480+128+0%0Aw+464+96+480+96+0%0Aw+480+128+480+176+0%0Ar+144+48+256+48+0+1.0%0Ar+144+96+256+96+0+0.22%0Aw+256+96+384+96+0%0As+480+48+480+96+0+1+false%0Aw+256+48+480+48+0%0As+208+256+240+256+0+0+false%0Ag+144+384+144+400+0%0Aw+432+96+464+128+0%0Aw+464+96+432+128+0%0Ax+372+118+390+122+0+16+L1%0Ax+426+117+440+120+0+12+L2%0Ax+266+367+287+371+0+16+C5%0Ax+274+260+303+264+0+16+VT1%0Ax+391+303+412+307+0+16+C3%0Ax+113+199+142+203+0+16+12V%0Ax+351+158+372+162+0+16+D1%0Ax+438+162+459+166+0+16+D2%0Ax+498+79+546+82+0+12+Click+me%0Ax+261+319+339+322+0+11+TL494+feedback%0Ax+270+329+334+332+0+11+take-off+point%0Ao+15+16+0+34+5.0+3.2+0+-1%0A), the battery on the left plays the role of C11.

The bootstrap battery, associated switch and C16 are not included for simplicity.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 12:52:52 AM
Here's a simulation you may find interesting
http://makeagif.com/oud1Sa

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 30, 2014, 01:26:49 AM
Here's a simulation you may find interesting
http://makeagif.com/oud1Sa (http://makeagif.com/oud1Sa)
Nope. To me it's 40 year old news.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 03:09:43 AM
I wanted to show the directions through the diode, so I redid it, notice the bemf runs through the diode opposite the direction the current runs through, this would indicate the polarity of the collapsing magnetic field is pos.
http://makeagif.com/mqXzyk
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 03:55:36 AM
Nope. To me it's 40 year old news.
Mr. Verpies you may understand this but not everyone on this forum has your expertise, it took me five years to understand this, no training only help from this and other forums.
I hope to save others time, Im here to help.
Im going to simulate Akula's 80w device as I see it, but Im sure you know how that works too.
But you never know even you may be surprised  ;D

later
dave
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 04:23:00 AM
Sometimes I wonder why I even try, all I get is ridiculed and criticized.
This is not the simulation, working on it.
But is how the coils aid each other.
 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 05:03:38 AM
See the double diodes, I didnt show it but the neg bemf from L2 feeds the neg rail through these diodes.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on March 30, 2014, 05:35:23 AM
Dave45 said:

" Sometimes I wonder why I even try, all I get is ridiculed and criticized. "



The question myself and I'm sure many are asking is...so for, ' how's conventional thinking working for ya ?'

All ideas have potential to inspire other ideas.

Historically, those who have no concept of perceived limits are frequently the ones to exceed them.

Regards...


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
See the double diodes, I didnt show it but the neg bemf from L2 feeds the neg rail through these diodes.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on March 30, 2014, 10:05:48 AM
Mr. Verpies you may understand this but not everyone on this forum has your expertise, it took me five years to understand this, no training only help from this and other forums.
I hope to save others time, Im here to help.
Im going to simulate Akula's 80w device as I see it, but Im sure you know how that works too.
But you never know even you may be surprised  ;D

later
dave

Dave thanks for the simulation.  Please explain; I am one of those who doesn't get how the current can travel both ways through the diode.

http://makeagif.com/mqXzyk (http://makeagif.com/mqXzyk)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on March 30, 2014, 10:33:29 AM
Seems, that his фонарь 30 ватт working on tesla swith principe.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 30, 2014, 11:13:24 AM
Sometimes I wonder why I even try, all I get is ridiculed and criticized.
Because criticism is a valid scientific feedback, often more educational than praising.
Note, that science is not a discipline for people driven by emotions, but for people for the affinity of logic and truth and understanding.
Those that are easily offended by criticisms of their ideas and other non-AdHominem remarks cannot pursue science in its true form.

I wanted to show the directions through the diode, so I redid it, notice the bemf runs through the diode opposite the direction the current runs through,
That's good that you want to educate others, but when you assume that position, you have to be more careful with the accurateness of your terminology.
For example: BEMF is not something that can "run" through sth.  Current can "run" but not voltage (emf).
When you are inaccurate with words, you serve more to confuse people than to educate them.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 30, 2014, 11:48:42 AM
Please explain; I am one of those who doesn't get how the current can travel both ways through the diode.
http://makeagif.com/mqXzyk (http://makeagif.com/mqXzyk)
Because in this ideal circuit the electric current does not travel in both directions through the diode. 
See this animation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+2.275989509352673+42+12.0+43%0Al+192+304+256+304+0+0.1+0.1403457272655063%0Ad+256+304+336+304+1+0.805904783%0Ac+368+304+432+304+0+1.0E-5+1.915293487919711%0A159+416+256+384+256+0+0.1+1.0E10%0Aw+368+304+368+256+0%0Aw+432+304+432+256+0%0Aw+432+256+416+256+0%0Aw+368+256+384+256+0%0Aw+432+304+512+304+0%0Aw+512+144+512+304+0%0Aw+160+304+160+144+0%0AR+400+240+400+208+0+2+400.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Av+512+144+160+144+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Aw+192+304+160+304+0%0Aw+336+304+368+304+0%0Ao+1+16+0+289+0.625+0.2+0+-1%0Ao+2+16+0+34+20.0+25.6+0+-1%0A) - it is more accurate.  The upper trace shows the current flowing through the diode and the lower trace shows the voltage across the capacitor.

In the real word, diodes can conduct electric current backwards, due to:
1) junction capacitance (see this (http://www.edn.com/design/led/4368392/An-LED-s-intrinsic-capacitance-works-in-a-650-mV-LRC-circuit))
2) finite reverse recovery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diode#Reverse-recovery_effect) time
3) reverse Zener breakdown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_breakdown).
4) reverse avalanche breakdown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalanche_diode)
5) the SRD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Step_recovery_diode) effect.
6) reverse bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_bias) leakage current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_%28electronics%29#In_semiconductors) (insignificant)
7) reverse photocurrent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photodiode#Photoconductive_mode)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 01:46:28 PM
Quote
See this animation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+2.275989509352673+42+12.0+43%0Al+192+304+256+304+0+0.1+0.1403457272655063%0Ad+256+304+336+304+1+0.805904783%0Ac+368+304+432+304+0+1.0E-5+1.915293487919711%0A159+416+256+384+256+0+0.1+1.0E10%0Aw+368+304+368+256+0%0Aw+432+304+432+256+0%0Aw+432+256+416+256+0%0Aw+368+256+384+256+0%0Aw+432+304+512+304+0%0Aw+512+144+512+304+0%0Aw+160+304+160+144+0%0AR+400+240+400+208+0+2+400.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Av+512+144+160+144+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Aw+192+304+160+304+0%0Aw+336+304+368+304+0%0Ao+1+16+0+289+0.625+0.2+0+-1%0Ao+2+16+0+34+20.0+25.6+0+-1%0A) - it is more accurate

Im sorry but no its not, it doesnt explain femf or bemf.

In the gif I showed the bemf from the coil hitting the leg of the capacitor, this leg then becomes pos.
Look at the schematic of the gif the neg of the battery is connected to the first leg the pos bemf hits the other leg this charges the cap.....pos on one side neg on the other.

If you run this pos bemf into another coil as Akula did its bemf will have a neg charge

Opposites attract, when a coil is hit with a neg pulse it takes on a neg charge as a whole, pos ions will form around the coil then when the magnetic field collapses it will bring a pos charge into the coil.

The same is true if you hit a coil with a pos pulse (as in the pos bemf from the neg charged coil) it takes on a pos charge and neg ions will form around this coil and its bemf or collapsing magnetic field will bring a neg charge into the coil.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 02:02:12 PM
In the sim at falstad click options then uncheck conventional view and you will see how current truly moves through the circuit but it still does not show the coil reactions.

By looking at the circuit in the conventional view it appears the current continues in its original direction it appears as though whats truly bemf is femf and you see no polarity change as it moves through the diode.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 02:58:32 PM
Welcome to the world of unconventional thinking and free energy. (pun intended)  ;)
Oh did I mention I have a PHD, yea Im a post hole digger from way back.
roflmao
put a little joy in your heart
laughter is food for the soul

dave
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on March 30, 2014, 03:27:08 PM
Dave, in your Falstead sim can you put scope testpoints right at both ends of the coils, and watch the voltage traces there as a pulse happens?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 30, 2014, 03:47:54 PM
Dave:

Quote
Im sorry but no its not, it doesnt explain femf or bemf.

The animation might not explain it but it does show you the BEMF and the FEMF in action.  Just slow it down a bit.

The colours are showing you the voltages around the loop.  When the switch opens you can see the right side of the coil start to turn green as the discharging coil charges up the capacitor to high voltage.  That's the FEMF.

The BEMF is less evident colour-wise but you can see how the coil has a colour gradient on it also.  Look at the coil when the switch closes, that's the BEMF.

Your ideas about a coil being "charged negative or positive" are wrong.  There is no charging of the coil in the sense of a negative or positive potential and ions and all that stuff.  There is the current through the coil, and the voltage across it.  The coil is "charged" or "energized" with energy when there is current flowing through it.  It's that energy that creates the FEMF.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: wattsup on March 30, 2014, 03:58:36 PM
@MileHigh

Just got back home from late night jamming with 10 musicians all guys I have know for 45 years so I will be looking at your posts (with thanks) more closely today.

Are you considering that the transformer is a three gap E-core possibly running at resonance and not a standard transformer running at 60Hz forced reaction. Do the simulation programs differentiate between these coils types. If not then they may not apply.

There is a certain part of EE that may not consider any re-biasing of the secondary during part of the cycle. When I say re-biasing, maybe via an analogy of a swing, when the swing goes from right to left, the re-bias immediately sends the swing back to the right side so it can have a complete swing on the next release, thus providing a maximum swing on each release without losing momentum that would occur if the swing had to move back to the right hand side on its own.

Is there a way to simulate the copper strip?

I think we should forget the stop switch since this circuit is designed to operate with the stop switch shorted.

I'll be back later.

Where's the coffee.

wattsup

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 30, 2014, 04:04:29 PM
I'm sorry but no its not, it doesn't explain femf or bemf.
It does. 
You can see it more clearly if you slow it down or double click on the inductor to edit it and increase its inductance.
Back EMF is the voltage developed across the inductor in opposition to the increase of the current flow through it. 
Forward EMF is the voltage developed across the inductor in opposition to the decrease of the current flow through it.
They can be seen as varying colors of the wires leading to the inductor.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Quote
The colours are showing you the voltages around the loop.  When the switch opens you can see the right side of the coil start to turn green as the discharging coil charges up the capacitor to high voltage.  That's the FEMF.

This is exactly what Im talking about, by looking at the circuit in the conventional view you see femf when actually thats the bemf, you dont see that there is a polarity change as it moves through the diode.

 :-\ oh well i tried.

later
dave
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 30, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
Dave, in your Falstead sim can you put scope testpoints right at both ends of the coils, and watch the voltage traces there as a pulse happens?
Yes, in this simulation (http://falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+2.275989509352673+42+12.0+43%0Al+192+304+256+304+0+0.1+0.08942349689158237%0Ad+256+304+336+304+1+0.805904783%0Ac+368+304+432+304+0+1.0E-5+15.28454098055727%0A159+416+256+384+256+0+0.1+1.0E10%0Aw+368+304+368+256+0%0Aw+432+304+432+256+0%0Aw+432+256+416+256+0%0Aw+368+256+384+256+0%0Aw+432+304+512+304+0%0Aw+512+144+512+304+0%0Aw+160+304+160+144+0%0AR+400+240+400+208+0+2+400.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Av+512+144+160+144+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Aw+192+304+160+304+0%0Aw+336+304+368+304+0%0Ao+1+16+0+289+0.625+0.2+0+-1%0Ao+2+16+0+290+40.0+25.6+0+-1%0Ao+0+16+0+290+20.0+0.1+0+-1%0A) the upper trace is the current flowing through the diode (not reversing!), the middle one is the voltage across a capacitor and the bottom one is the voltage across the inductor.
The latter one reverses polarity between +6V and -12V each cycle in order to oppose attempts to change the current flowing through the inductor.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Circuit Nerd on March 30, 2014, 04:30:42 PM
Hello Everyone,

I have been following this thread since it began and have a question. With all due respect, how many of you guys have actually built the circuit and tested it. Not with a simulator, but actually built it?? It would be more interesting and productive to see people talking about their builds and test results instead of arguing over simulations and theories about a circuit that seemingly hardly anyone on here has actually built.  For what it is worth, I have replicated the circuit faithfully to the letter both the original version and modded versions. None of them work as advertised. In fact, feeding ANY positive voltage from C3 through L2 to C11 causes the circuit to bog down and current draw to shoot through the roof. Looking forward to hearing results achieved by others.

Thanks
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 30, 2014, 05:01:26 PM
Wattsup:

Did you play Can't You Hear Me Knocking?  lol

@MileHigh

Are you considering that the transformer is a three gap E-core possibly running at resonance and not a standard transformer running at 60Hz forced reaction. Do the simulation programs differentiate between these coils types. If not then they may not apply.

There is a certain part of EE that may not consider any re-biasing of the secondary during part of the cycle. When I say re-biasing, maybe via an analogy of a swing, when the swing goes from right to left, the re-bias immediately sends the swing back to the right side so it can have a complete swing on the next release, thus providing a maximum swing on each release without losing momentum that would occur if the swing had to move back to the right hand side on its own.

Is there a way to simulate the copper strip?

I think we should forget the stop switch since this circuit is designed to operate with the stop switch shorted.

I'll be back later.

Where's the coffee.

wattsup

For the transformer, one or more gaps will significantly lower the total magnetic flux through the core for a given ampere-turn excitation.  I know there is a belief or hope that cutting one or more gaps will do something.  I will suggest something that I have mentioned several times before.  The best thing to do is make A-B comparisons, uncut and cut.  Or if you only have one transformer make a set of orderly measurements before and after you cut the gap or gaps.

So I view the cuts as degrading the performance of the transformer.  That's me questioning the design with my critical eye.  Verpies is the expert on magnetics and he is hoping for a big score so you never know!

I saw that the pulse waveform is somewhere between 16 kHz and about 120 kHz.  That means the transformer will be operating either in signal mode or pulse mode, depending on the state of the Stop switch.  You guys will have to do your builds but if the dots on the transformer in the schematic are accurate then things look pretty grim for the circuit with the Stop switch shorted.

When the Stop switch is shorted, the transformer acts in signal mode.   That means a voltage square wave on the input becomes a voltage square wave on the output.  You can reread my earlier posting but the secondary output of the transformer doesn't output to the LEDs.

When the Stop switch is open-circuit, the the transformer operates in pulse mode.  You fill the "bucket" of the magnetic core with a pulse of energy, and then the magnetic core dumps the stored pulse of energy into the LEDs.   It's just Bedini revisited.

As far as resonance goes, I don't expect that you will see that.  If you are seriously going to pursue that then you will need to define what resonant mode you are talking about, or observe it and figure out what mode it is.  Be forewarned that resonance can be a power hog, sucking up battery power with no real output.  For example, that's what pick-up coils in resonance on a pulse motor will do.

When you talk about the rebiasing, I don't quite get it but I would suggest to you and the gang to investigate that issue by making a timing diagram by observing multiple scope signal traces at key points in the circuit.  The issue is bridging the gap between the verbal speculation and the bench testing.  If there is any "swing" then you should be able to confirm or deny that by recording and analyzing the timing of the operation of the circuit.

For the copper strip, I suggested the A-B comparison testing.  I don't view the coper strip as being real.

I know that there is a lot of enthusiasm so perhaps a builder and tester will prove me wrong about the transformer and the copper strip.  If the gang could keep the same enthusiasm level going on the testing side and analysis side that would be great.  It's all about scoping the input and output signals for the transformer and then following the signal path to the LED array.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on March 30, 2014, 05:25:50 PM
This isnt perfect but gives an idea of the coil reactions, each coils bemf aids the other.
http://makeagif.com/i/X93gwp
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 30, 2014, 05:34:18 PM
When a coil is hit with a neg pulse it takes on a neg charge as a whole, pos ions will form around the coil then when the magnetic field collapses it will bring a pos charge into the coil.
What is the ratio of the pulse's wavelength to the length of the coil in this scenario?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 30, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
Dave:

I am just going to repeat that the water analogy will help you.

Start with one simple example:

Myself and Verpies said that when the switch in his simulation closes and the battery is directly connected to the coil and the diode, that's when the coil is generating BEMF. 

So why is the BEMF there?  If you are not sure, take a serious look at the water analogy.  Can you see why the BEMF is there in the water analogy?  Imagine the water flows through the coiled hose with no friction.  That's just like imagining an electrical coil has no wire resistance.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 30, 2014, 05:54:30 PM
Verpies:

I finally looked at the simulation where you "swap the dots" for the transformer configuration.  Indeed you see some current go back into the battery but it's small compared to the battery discharge current.  Tuning???  lol

But no lights!  Dang!

That pulse modulation chip seems to have caused a lot of spinning of wheels on OUR.  It appears to also be a PWM that can get the current sense from the LED array to make a negative feedback loop?  It seems more trouble that it's worth and a 555 is a viable alternative - or a signal generator as several have pointed out.  I know, then it won't be a true replication.

Anyway it will be fun to see the populated boards put through their paces.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 30, 2014, 05:58:07 PM
Dave:
I am just going to repeat that the water analogy will help you.
@Dave:
In case his optimism about this analogy is justified in your case, I am attaching a water analogy of the inductor below. (it is animated but you have to un-rar it to see it move).
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: forest on March 30, 2014, 10:02:29 PM
verpies


Very interesting animation. Something special here I think you can find OU on it  ;) , just  analyse it according to the thermodynamic laws using out of the box thinking
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 30, 2014, 10:46:09 PM
Very interesting animation.
I'm glad you like it.
I can post more of these animations if you convince the site Admin (Hartiberlin (http://www.overunity.com/profile/hartiberlin.2/)) not to truncate animated gifs, zip and rar attachments.
I had to pad the rar file with 256 zero bytes, for it to survive the truncation. 
I don't want to pad every attachment like that.

Something special here I think you can find OU on it  ;) , just  analyze it according to the thermodynamic laws using out of the box thinking
You must mean the lossless compression of the air in these bellows. 
Personally I prefer to depict the magnetic field as the water turbine's moment of inertia ...or a massive flywheel attached to it.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 31, 2014, 01:07:34 AM
Indeed you see some current go back into the battery but it's small compared to the battery discharge current.  Tuning???  lol
I wouldn't know what to tune for. According to conventional wisdom L2 cannot give back more than L1 took.
Only if something weird happened in that inductor/transformer then a net gain would be possible.

It appears to also be a PWM that can get the current sense from the LED array to make a negative feedback loop?
Yes, it would appear so ...just what is that strange feedback loop for?
It would be pretty hard to bring that R5/R7 junction below ground ...or even to make it fall quickly (-6V/ms) with those huge caps.

It seems more trouble that it's worth and a 555 is a viable alternative - or a signal generator as several have pointed out. 
Yes, without that strange feedback loop it might as well be driven by a 555 astable.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on March 31, 2014, 06:35:23 AM
Lost_bro:

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I changed the value of the upper left hand resistor to 67ohms (originally 1 ohm).  With the original value of 1 ohm, the LEDs self extinguish when the stop switch is shorted:   Now (with the 67ohm resistor) when the stop switched is 'Closed' or shorted, the LEDs will stay lit to a certain degree and there is a partial charge returning the the 'Battery' (according to the sim.).

I am not a builder but the wisest course of action would be to replicate to the schematic and parts list as closely as possible, for starters.  I am assuming that eveybody except Itsu will have the same PCB.  Changing a resistor value to see your desired goal is a cart-before-the-horse way of going about it.

I would suggest that if there is an issue with the PWM circuit in the schematic and it needs a small mod, then you all agree on the mod and everybody does exactly the same mod.  So everybody at least starts out with the same functional device to test.  You really don't want anarchy setting in right away.  If you all find that the LEDs don't light when the Stop switch is short-circuited, then you can collectively decide what to do next.  There may be no need to do a kludge to force the "Stop" switch to not shut off the LEDs.  My instincts are telling me that the Stop switch is supposed to stop the LEDs from lighting up when it is a short-circuit.  If that's the case, then there is no need to make a sudden move to hack into the boards.

It looks like a bit of extra enthusiasm without examining the circuit led to the belief that the Stop switch had to be shorted for proper operation.  It's more like you can view the Stop switch as a supplement to the On-Off switch, sort of like a temporary way of turning off the LEDs while the rest of the circuit still runs.  My reasons for saying this are outlined in an earlier posting and the simulation backs the analysis up.

There is no need to doubt the simulation's ability to simulate this circuit.  However, it's sometimes necessary to have some tweaking done on the simulation, simply to get it to more accurately model the real circuit.  Once that is done, the simulation will be deadly accurate.  From what I can see, none or very little tweaking will have to be done to see the signals in the simulation be nearly identical to the signals that you see on your scope display.

If there is "magic" then you will expect to see something out of the ordinary.  If not, then what you see when you probe your boards will be very close to what you see on the simulation.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: wattsup on March 31, 2014, 06:40:16 AM
@MH

It will be easier for me to answer in bold inside your great post. Thanks for the insight. We will know soon enough though so the only recourse is to stay open to all possibilities.

Wattsup:

Did you play Can't You Hear Me Knocking?  lol

I am so mad about one thing. Yesterday I go buy a Tascam Linear PCM Recorder just to able to record our complete jam session. I was certain is was recording, then when you jam, you never stop so when it was time to check the recording, it did not. So I will have one next time.
*(*(*%*&?*$%#$(&?*%@(*&#_+)$&?*@?&$@(&_?**$&_&@)@+
Some stones but not that one.


For the transformer, one or more gaps will significantly lower the total magnetic flux through the core for a given ampere-turn excitation.  That's why the flyback will be even harder.

I know there is a belief or hope that cutting one or more gaps will do something.  I will suggest something that I have mentioned several times before.  The best thing to do is make A-B comparisons, uncut and cut.  Or if you only have one transformer make a set of orderly measurements before and after you cut the gap or gaps.

So I view the cuts as degrading the performance of the transformer.  That's me questioning the design with my critical eye.  Verpies is the expert on magnetics and he is hoping for a big score so you never know!

I saw that the pulse waveform is somewhere between 16 kHz and about 120 kHz.  That means the transformer will be operating either in signal mode or pulse mode, depending on the state of the Stop switch.  You guys will have to do your builds but if the dots on the transformer in the schematic are accurate then things look pretty grim for the circuit with the Stop switch shorted.

When the Stop switch is shorted, the transformer acts in signal mode.   That means a voltage square wave on the input becomes a voltage square wave on the output.  You can reread my earlier posting but the secondary output of the transformer doesn't output to the LEDs.


Please don't forget that most of the technical or commercial usage of the e-core is with primary using magwire and a good number of winds to achieve some coil resistance. A primary of 60 turns or more of AWG 21 is not uncommon. In the Akula usage the primary is wound with a plastic coated conductor (not magwire) of few turns. Not your typical usage for standard simulation. So question is asked. Does a low turn, low skin effect primary provide a form of dielectric in the primary, since the primary is the side that is driving the load. Analogy: Mosfet open, load the gun (primary and load), Mosfet closed, shoot.


When the Stop switch is open-circuit, the the transformer operates in pulse mode.  You fill the "bucket" of the magnetic core with a pulse of energy, and then the magnetic core dumps the stored pulse of energy into the LEDs.   It's just Bedini revisited.

Ya but who did Bedini get it from. NT TOP. No need to go more.

As far as resonance goes, I don't expect that you will see that.  If you are seriously going to pursue that then you will need to define what resonant mode you are talking about, or observe it and figure out what mode it is.  Be forewarned that resonance can be a power hog, sucking up battery power with no real output.  For example, that's what pick-up coils in resonance on a pulse motor will do.


Hmmmmmm. I would have thought the contrary as at resonance usually amp draw goes down and voltage goes up. When I say resonance it also includes slightly off the resonant frequency often produces better output then when the waveform rises out of the screen so there is a balance to find. We are talking specifically about the Akula E core and how Akula would be using this component with his circuit while we can presume his instructions are not 100%. Lower turn count means higher frequency. No core model in the diagram means just choosing the e-core material will not be an easy task and will require either some luck or a few good coil designers that can use the material tables and other targeted specs, but what are the specs needs to be defined first. To do that you have to fully understand the intended circuit usage so it becomes a viscous circle. hahaha


When you talk about the rebiasing, I don't quite get it but I would suggest to you and the gang to investigate that issue by making a timing diagram by observing multiple scope signal traces at key points in the circuit.  The issue is bridging the gap between the verbal speculation and the bench testing.  If there is any "swing" then you should be able to confirm or deny that by recording and analyzing the timing of the operation of the circuit.

I am putting two pdfs, the second really hits home and may be a set method to help define the  core working parameters. Whatever builders do, please use a known e-core, not a no brand no models type off ebay or one you may have at home without any model identification. You need to work with a known e-core otherwise you will be turning in circles. Once one builder gets some good results, others that may have less good results could consider changing to the same model and if the results improve or equal the other, then you will know that working smart has its merits. 

If there is no verbal speculation that makes any sense, it's senseless to build it. You have to work out all the details before you build, not while you build. You build to produce the effect you expect to produce, even if you expect out of the box, it still has to make some sense. Hard way to live indeed but someone has to do it.


For the copper strip, I suggested the A-B comparison testing.  I don't view the coper strip as being real.

Well, it's in the photo and there is a 5th terminal wire so we have to give it full credit for props hence it should qualify as real enough.

I know that there is a lot of enthusiasm so perhaps a builder and tester will prove me wrong about the transformer and the copper strip.  If the gang could keep the same enthusiasm level going on the testing side and analysis side that would be great.  It's all about scoping the input and output signals for the transformer and then following the signal path to the LED array.

MileHigh

Thanks again for your post.

wattsup

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on March 31, 2014, 10:02:18 AM
Lost_bro:

I am not a builder but the wisest course of action would be to replicate to the schematic and parts list as closely as possible, for starters.  I am assuming that eveybody except Itsu will have the same PCB.  Changing a resistor value to see your desired goal is a cart-before-the-horse way of going about it.

MileHigh

I much prefer to initially build my own experimental circuits / replications using breadboard or strip-board. I have all the necessary components except LED's and just need some time for building between my electronics work assignments. My intention is to begin with a lighter LED load and build-up to the full 30W load when I have the full compliment of LED's. I should be in a position to knock-up this circuit sometime this week and will keep as close as possible to Akula's design and component choice, which is obviously very important when replicating. Having said this, Akula has shown some rather odd component values and placements on his circuit schematic, which suggests to me that he is may be playing games! Purely from an observation point of view, I consider that Wottsup's suggested inductor winding details is a good starting point. I will lay a copper foil underneath the winds.

My interest is not so much to discover if this circuit self-runs - which I'm quite sure it will not - but to hopefully find out if there is anything in its operation that may have excited or mislead Akula into believing that something special worth publishing.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: energia9 on March 31, 2014, 11:43:46 AM
what could happen inside a core or bundle of wire to give back more ,
it never ever gives back more than it was put into it, you can not argue this one..

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on March 31, 2014, 12:05:49 PM
what could happen inside a core or bundle of wire to give back more?
For example McFreey's beta current pulse or Gunderson's acoustic Villari node ;)

The two conditions (v<0 && dv/dt<x) of TL494's negative feedback loop are consistent with the former, since the physics of beta current pulses makes their polarity negative.
Also, the copper shield would come in handy in collecting the deccelerated fast-electrons, which would otherwise cause heavy negative charge buildup and associated HV insulation breakdown.

Indeed, the usual electronic operational principles prevent the Akula's circuit and transformer from exceeding unity O/I power ratio, unless something unconventional happens in that transformer. 
The conventional behavior of the transformer in this circuit is pretty accurately illustrated by the simulations posted in this thread.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on March 31, 2014, 08:10:19 PM
Indeed, the usual electronic operational principles prevent the Akula's circuit and transformer from exceeding unity O/I power ratio, unless something unconventional happens in that transformer. 
The conventional behavior of the transformer in this circuit is pretty accurately illustrated by the simulations posted in this thread.

As I said in beginning, the trick is in transformer... :D
And what effect needs to be there to trigger COP >1 condition - still not very clear.
Perhaps Grum had it very close with adding noise to circuit and having transformer fully ringing between each sharp pulse?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on March 31, 2014, 10:24:43 PM
Oh, for Pete's sake!

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on March 31, 2014, 11:27:24 PM
Oh, for Pete's sake!

Dear Avalon.

Welcome to the thread, Oh and by the way I'm Grum, not Pete !!  :)

Sorry your Sim looks good but it does not show very clearly the 2 to 3 second dying oscillations that I am seeing after power off !! Just need some more noise !!  :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 01, 2014, 01:12:14 AM
Wattsup:

I have a real treat for you:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsD7DlKBu0g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsD7DlKBu0g)

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Hmmmmmm. I would have thought the contrary as at resonance usually amp draw goes down and voltage goes up.

Amp draw goes down once the resonator is filled with energy.  But that's a temporary "overdraw" condition.  The problem is that maximum voltage equals maximum current when the voltage is zero.  That's where the losses are, in the resistance of the wires.  So resonance is a power draw.  The amplitude of the resonance gets as high as it can which is determined by how much power can be supplied by the source.  For example, if someone can get a transformer to resonate, they can measure the power draw of the transformer at the resonant frequency, and just below or above the resonant frequency and compare.  The point is to not take anything for granted.  I have never done this, so I am not telling you this will exactly happen, but the measurements should be made.

I am not convinced that you will be able to make the transformer resonate in the circuit.  However, chances are you could if you drove the isolated transformer with a swept sine wave from a signal generator.

MileHigh

P.S.:  Lesser known and perhaps a good jam song:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXk5A-TpwY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXk5A-TpwY)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Farmhand on April 01, 2014, 02:51:25 AM
Wattsup:

Amp draw goes down once the resonator is filled with energy.  But that's a temporary "overdraw" condition.  The problem is that maximum voltage equals maximum current when the voltage is zero.  That's where the losses are, in the resistance of the wires.  So resonance is a power draw.  The amplitude of the resonance gets as high as it can which is determined by how much power can be supplied by the source.  For example, if someone can get a transformer to resonate, they can measure the power draw of the transformer at the resonant frequency, and just below or above the resonant frequency and compare.  The point is to not take anything for granted.  I have never done this, so I am not telling you this will exactly happen, but the measurements should be made.

I am not convinced that you will be able to make the transformer resonate in the circuit.  However, chances are you could if you drove the isolated transformer with a swept sine wave from a signal generator.

MileHigh

The power draw at resonance depends on a few factors, "Q" factor of the coil is one factor and also the level of voltage used and achieved as well as the capacitor resistance and frequency.

My small Tesla coil primary with feedback oscillator has 1 mm wire and I can get a fair bit of activity in it with only 300 mA input, very much more watts than the few watts input, it gets up to like 200 Watts or so activity but the input at resonance is more than when not, when not at resonance the input is almost nil.

That's why I built my bigger Tesla coil with 1 mm wire in the secondary, how many Tesla coils you see made with 1 mm wire secondary ? I worked out a rough "Q" of 6000 or so for it. 3.2 Ohms resistance or is it only 1.6 Ohms resistance I can't remember, 4 mH and 760 kHz. I think it has a bit more than 4 mH inductance, been a while since I measured it.If the resistance is only 1.6 Ohms then the "Q" would be closer to 12000. Which would be good.  :) EDIT I just worked it out by wire length and resistance for the wire per klm and it is more like less than 2 Ohms, so I'm gonna say the "Q" is more like 9000 for the bigger Tesla coil.

Circuit Sage "Q" factor calculator.
http://www.circuitsage.com/tools/tool_view&tool_id=17

I would say if people want to resonate coils the coils should be high "Q", this seems to be ignored. Resonance can change the impedance of a coil but it cannot change the DC resistance, the DC resistance will always burn up power. The oscillating losses can be calculated by the DC resistance and the oscillating current ect.

It makes no sense to me to resonate a coil with a lot of DC resistance, it will get hot and the heat will be produced from the input supply's energy.

Cheers

P.S. Of course the exception is if resonance is wanted to increase the voltage output of a transformer ect. and the power dissipated is not a concern.

If we have a coil which has 140 Ohms resistance it burns enough power making the current flow through it once not to mention non stop oscillating current.

If a coil is going to act as a high resistance to reduce input it makes no sense to have it resonate.

The near infinite resistance of parallel resonance can reduce input in some situations. It depends on stuff.

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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 01, 2014, 03:21:36 AM
The reason you are seeing dying oscillations is discontinuous conduction mode which happens when ripples in inductor current cause polarity switch of applied switch current to reverse.
This could be a result of a poor quality inductor with high parasitic (stray) capacitance (C). When the switch is off the secondary coil still has energy equal to C * U(out)^2/2. Hence - dying oscillations.
There is no free energy here.

~A


... it does not show very clearly the 2 to 3 second dying oscillations that I am seeing after power off ...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 01, 2014, 03:35:57 AM
Farmhand:

This is a statement that might suggest some interesting experiments to you:

In simplified terms:  Let's say, you connect your signal generator to an LC resonator.  The wire resistance is 2 ohms and the peak-to-peak voltage is 10 volts.  There is some measurable power A going into the resonator.

Now say you have the same LC resonator, same inductance and capacitance, but the wire resistance is 1 ohm.  You connect the signal generator and this time the peak-to-peak voltage is 14 volts and there is some measurable power B going into the resonator.

So, the AC voltage increased, but that means more current going through the wire.

Is power A > B or is power B > A or are they roughly the same?

Let's say for the sake of argument that they are the same.  So that means that there are nil returns in terms of power drain reduction when you lower the resistance of the wire in the LC resonator.

Lower resistance equals higher Q factor, and higher voltages and a narrower - 3 dB bandwidth, but not necessarily reduced power burn-off in the resonator.

There are issues of how you couple to the LC resonator and source impedance and source voltage that I did not touch on, but I assume that you get the main point.  The by far far easiest way to do these tests is with pSpice or even that Java simulator.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Farmhand on April 01, 2014, 04:35:04 AM
Yes but MileHigh try an LC circuit with 150 Ohms resistance and then to get the same activity in the tank you'll need more input. It all depends on why you are doing it and what you want to achieve. It's all relative I agree.

It also depends on if there is a limiting load or not as well.  If there is no load why do it ?

Cheers

P.S. I'm no expert but I think I see in my setups I can alter the output impedance by tuning.

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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Farmhand on April 01, 2014, 05:09:43 AM
I want to state at this point something Tesla said in the Colorado Springs Notes, Tesla clearly stated, July 7 1899 page 65 see attachment that a high rate of transformation is better for power transmission, but for signals (small power levels) a great resonant rise can be beneficial.

Now when transmitting power I think the idea is to tune the machine to the load so as to be most efficient, perfect resonance is not the goal, but the device should be capable of being tuned to resonance.

Tesla coiler's know that to get the best performance when making streamers the primary L/C should be tuned to a bit lower frequency than the secondary because when the secondary breaks out in streamers it's resonant frequency drops due to the load. The Spark makers transformer has a load, which is the streamers. They limit the voltage for the input applied but the transformer is still "resonant".

As for resonance in these Akula devices, I don't know, there could be a use for it in some part of some circuit. But to me the circuit seems odd and I see no replications I can believe.

Cheers
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Farmhand on April 01, 2014, 05:27:49 AM
MileHigh, you are correct though. I know this because I see in my older video's with my small Tesla coil transmitter and receiver setups that when the transmitter is tuned to resonance and the receiver has no load then the input can be higher than when the receiver is lightly loaded. That is because the load is just enough to limit the voltage in the tank to lower the losses. However a tuned setup should be able to be tuned to have a low idle input, then when a load is placed on the receiver the transmitter input goes up, I have also shown that. It is all in the tuning, tuned circuits need to be tuned. And to do that the operator needs to know his circuit to some degree, experimenting with tuned circuits is fun and very educational in a practical way.

The best and simplest tuned circuit is the two Tesla coils with one of them driven by 12 volts and switched at full resonant frequency, with the ability to vary the driving frequency and pulse width and to tune the L/C of the two primaries and the two secondaries. One can learn a lot from such a setup. Using a feedback oscillator can be good but it is different to driving at a frequency that is manually varied. ( a function generator is ok but the power is not enough ) FG good enough to light neon's and see the distribution of potential though.

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P.S. I want to build a "H" bridge circuit to switch a variety of coils, previously I just used DC pulses, switching the primary coil both ways will help for more output I think.

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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 01, 2014, 09:16:33 AM
Wattsup:

I have a real treat for you:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsD7DlKBu0g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsD7DlKBu0g)


MileHigh

P.S.:  Lesser known and perhaps a good jam song:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXk5A-TpwY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXk5A-TpwY)

Forget the replications here's the real thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW0cVp0WWkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW0cVp0WWkk)   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRot9IjNSso  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yGFuX2KDQs  :) :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 01, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
You guy's still dont get it

The key to free energy is ionization

The coils (chokes) have to separated with enough distance that the charges cannot rejoin before they are collected.

Look at static eliminators

A choke pulsed with a neg pulse will have a pos bemf

A choke pulsed with a pos pulse will have a neg bemf
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 01, 2014, 01:30:40 PM
Here's one to think about
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 01, 2014, 01:38:13 PM
A choke pulsed with a neg pulse will have a pos bemf
A choke pulsed with a pos pulse will have a neg bemf
What is the wavelength of the driving pulse compared to the length of the choke in your scenario?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 02, 2014, 02:02:27 AM
Farmhand:

Just to explore the loading issue and resonance some more.

The child on the swing example:  You push harder and the size of the swing increases.  Then it stabilizes at the larger overall swing amplitude.  So you have to put more energy into the push and you get a larger swing that burns off 100% of your push energy.  You can look at it another way - the resonator is adapting itself to your push to extract exactly how much energy you are willing to put into it.

If the resistance is low (air resistance in this case) then you get a higher swing for the same energy per push.  If the air is thicker the swing goes down.  Push harder and the swing goes back up.

So in essence the swing adapts itself to "match your push."  So what does that mean for the power consumption in an electrical LC resonator?  Or to put it more accurately, an LCR resonator.

Here is the question:  Can you think of the design for a circuit that will simulate the swing and the pushing?  See that can be fun.  You have a physical setup and to test it's behaviour you design a circuit and then run the simulations and play with the variables.  The goal for the test would be to make the power consumption measurement for different resistance values associated with the LCR resonator.  You could drop a power measurement probe onto the schematic, and then see what happens to the average power consumption when you change the "R" part of the resonator.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Qwert on April 02, 2014, 04:44:30 AM
Hi.
For those who want to know something more about resonance. Are you aware of works of those guys: Minorsky, Mandelstam and Papalexi? I'm in possession of their works in pdf. Here are two of them. Only, they call it "Parametric Excitation" instead. See these links:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-UGFBRnZFd1Rnanc/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-UGFBRnZFd1Rnanc/edit?usp=sharing)  1950
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-Ylk3QmhFNy1hbVU/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-Ylk3QmhFNy1hbVU/edit?usp=sharing)  1935

I've decided to add three more works: two patents based on the above info and the original work (over 700 pages).
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-OHVMbG1WVkttOGM/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-OHVMbG1WVkttOGM/edit?usp=sharing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-WFNjam1vdzhjMVE/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-WFNjam1vdzhjMVE/edit?usp=sharing)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-ZTR2V0YzTElkVHM/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-ZTR2V0YzTElkVHM/edit?usp=sharing)


 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Circuit Nerd on April 02, 2014, 04:15:40 PM
Hello Everyone,

I have been following this thread since it began and have a question. With all due respect, how many of you guys have actually built the circuit and tested it. Not with a simulator, but actually built it?? It would be more interesting and productive to see people talking about their builds and test results instead of arguing over simulations and theories about a circuit that seemingly hardly anyone on here has actually built.  For what it is worth, I have replicated the circuit faithfully to the letter both the original version and modded versions. None of them work as advertised. In fact, feeding ANY positive voltage from C3 through L2 to C11 causes the circuit to bog down and current draw to shoot through the roof. Looking forward to hearing results achieved by others.  :)

Circuit Nerd
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 02, 2014, 07:10:36 PM
With all due respect, how many of you guys have actually built the circuit and tested it. Not with a simulator, but actually built it??
Four, and more are posting their builds at O.U.R.  One member even had a PCB done for it, (see here (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12476))
The circuits work as in simulations, but then the circuit is not the mystery here...the transformer/inductor is.

For what it is worth, I have replicated the circuit faithfully to the letter both the original version and modded versions.
What modifications have you tried?
How did you wind the transformer (L1 & L2) and what core did you use?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Qwert on April 02, 2014, 09:29:00 PM
I can't resist to disclose this extremely unconventional book of C. P. Steinmetz of 1900, "Theory and Calculations of Alternating Current Phenomena", pdf download available:
https://archive.org/details/theorycalculatio00steiiala (https://archive.org/details/theorycalculatio00steiiala)

Some more info about this guy:
http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/a/Steinmetz.htm (http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/a/Steinmetz.htm)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Farmhand on April 03, 2014, 12:44:56 AM
Thank you for the files Qwert, can never have too many files to read. I copy reference material like this to my laptop as well.  :) Much appreciated.

Cheers
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 03, 2014, 01:30:28 AM
Qwert:

I looked at the table of contents and the fist few pages and the book is 100% legit, the real thing.  There is nothing unconventional in the book, it's the same material that's still being taught to this day.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 03, 2014, 01:41:46 AM
Grumage is getting HF negative pulses across R5 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12307).  Go figure...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 03, 2014, 02:43:33 AM
Grumage is getting HF negative pulses across R5 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12307).  Go figure...

My fist thought is that is due to a bump or step in the voltage on C3 associated with the switching.  The C3 voltage is at the top of the LED array.  The bump will charge C5 with a voltage step.  Then C5 will form an RLC resonator with R5 and the interconnect wire inductance that forms the R5-C5 loop.  So it could just be normal ringing.  The ringing looks like it could be around 10 MHz.  Does that sound about right?  Picowatt would save the day.  lol

I can't really digest Grumage's nice scope shot.  I skimmed over earlier postings so I may have missed something.  Nice to see things are progressing along!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 03, 2014, 02:47:31 AM
Qwert:

I looked at the table of contents and the fist few pages and the book is 100% legit, the real thing.  There is nothing unconventional in the book, it's the same material that's still being taught to this day.

MileHigh
Sounds like a waste of time  ;D

sorry I couldnt resist lol

You know Im just kidding right

dave
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 03, 2014, 02:54:23 AM
You forgot to add the <rim shot>!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 03, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
Hello Everyone,

I have been following this thread since it began and have a question. With all due respect, how many of you guys have actually built the circuit and tested it. Not with a simulator, but actually built it?? It would be more interesting and productive to see people talking about their builds and test results instead of arguing over simulations and theories about a circuit that seemingly hardly anyone on here has actually built.  For what it is worth, I have replicated the circuit faithfully to the letter both the original version and modded versions. None of them work as advertised. In fact, feeding ANY positive voltage from C3 through L2 to C11 causes the circuit to bog down and current draw to shoot through the roof. Looking forward to hearing results achieved by others.  :)

Circuit Nerd
I have tested the circuit in both Multisim and Cadance. On top of that I have actually built the circuit.
Both simulations pointed to almost identical results I have observed with the actual circuit.

The reason I have built the circuit was not based on an off-chance that the circuit would work although simulations tell otherwise but to use it for pulsed coil studies on my own.
The circuit is almost identical to the one circulating on the net with a small exception of the driver. I used IDDX609 instead of transistors.
Better, faster and more reliable.

Here it is...

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 03, 2014, 07:04:32 PM
The circuit is almost identical to the one circulating on the net with a small exception of the driver. I used IDDX609 instead of transistors.
Better, faster and more reliable.
I also think that an integrated MOSFET driver is better, faster and more reliable, however I think that a laminated silicon steel EI core is not the same or better than a ferrite double E core in this application.

EI SiFeC core prevents a myriad of magnetoacoustic effects, has lower skin depth and inferior frequency rating.
That circuit behaves conventionally, the transformer possibly does not.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 03, 2014, 07:50:56 PM
I also think that an integrated MOSFET driver is better, faster and more reliable, however I think that a laminated silicon steel EI core is not the same or better than a ferrite double E core in this application.

EI SiFeC core prevents a myriad of magnetoacoustic effects, has lower skin depth and inferior frequency rating.
That circuit behaves conventionally, the transformer possibly does not.

The core in the picture is ETD49 (see below). However, using laminated core makes almost no difference whatsoever as far as the end result is concerned.

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: starcruiser on April 03, 2014, 08:53:24 PM
@avalon, is the core center gaped at all?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 04, 2014, 12:34:04 AM
I also think that an integrated MOSFET driver is better, faster and more reliable, however I think that a laminated silicon steel EI core is not the same or better than a ferrite double E core in this application.

EI SiFeC core prevents a myriad of magnetoacoustic effects, has lower skin depth and inferior frequency rating.
That circuit behaves conventionally, the transformer possibly does not.

For sure on the MOSFET driver.  A question that I don't have an answer to is at what switching frequency do you need to switchover to a MOSFET driver?  For example, I think the output of a 555 can source and sink current.  So a 555 connected directly to a MOSFET gate in very close proximity probably works fine to say, up to 10-20 KHz?  I am assuming that you are using reasonable criteria to define when you hit a given high frequency where you stop.

For the transformer core issue, I think no matter what the configuration and core material, it either looks like (1) a "lossy bucket of energy with holes that allow energy to leak out," or (2) a set of meshed gears with normal frictional losses.

Let's see how the repo crew does with their replications.  Fire up your scopes!  Calibrate your probes!

MileHigh

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 04, 2014, 03:44:12 AM
@avalon, is the core center gaped at all?
I played with the gap a bit. Mainly to satisfy my curiosity. No interesting results to mention.

BTW, I have read a transcript of a Russian site http://realstrannik.ru/ where this whole thing started and, apparently, it is a hoax.
The guy's name is Roman Karnaukhov and he's a very bitter spiteful man. It appears that he's got a problem with the rest of the world and tries to make it pay for all it's sins.
~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Qwert on April 04, 2014, 06:50:47 AM
Qwert:

I looked at the table of contents and the fist few pages and the book is 100% legit, the real thing.  There is nothing unconventional in the book, it's the same material that's still being taught to this day.

MileHigh


Thanks for comment. Some real infos come on later pages. At least I found them such (maybe b'coz I lack the conventional knowledge, meaning, I never studied and / or worked in this field). For example, in chapter 23 "Effects of higher harmonics", I've learned that some harmonics can rise the fundamental as much as close to 300 percent. I couldn't find this info otherwise.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 04, 2014, 10:10:12 AM
I played with the gap a bit. Mainly to satisfy my curiosity. No interesting results to mention.

BTW, I have read a transcript of a Russian site http://realstrannik.ru/ where this whole thing started and, apparently, it is a hoax.
The guy's name is Roman Karnaukhov and he's a very bitter spiteful man. It appears that he's got a problem with the rest of the world and tries to make it pay for all it's sins.
~A
You'd speak with him directly before stating about fake thing and so far I am not thinking if this replication is fake.
The tricky part is to replicate effect and that's where most fail to repeatedly achieve...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on April 04, 2014, 10:40:58 AM
Thanks for comment. Some real infos come on later pages. At least I found them such (maybe b'coz I lack the conventional knowledge, meaning, I never studied and / or worked in this field). For example, in chapter 23 "Effects of higher harmonics", I've learned that some harmonics can rise the fundamental as much as close to 300 percent. I couldn't find this info otherwise.

I believe Akula shows this in his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPHipGkfSAY& (thanks to Wesley for translation)

kind regards and peace
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 04, 2014, 11:42:14 AM
Looks like you missed the socket with a couple of pins. Is this the driver chip, with unused pins?
Quote
Your search - IDDX609 data sheet - did not match any documents. 

I have tested the circuit in both Multisim and Cadance. On top of that I have actually built the circuit.
Both simulations pointed to almost identical results I have observed with the actual circuit.

The reason I have built the circuit was not based on an off-chance that the circuit would work although simulations tell otherwise but to use it for pulsed coil studies on my own.
The circuit is almost identical to the one circulating on the net with a small exception of the driver. I used IDDX609 instead of transistors.
Better, faster and more reliable.

Here it is...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Peterae on April 04, 2014, 02:47:18 PM
Guys i have had 30 of Groundloops Akula Pcb's made up, I've given a number of these to OUR members, i currently have 5 spare for anyone in the UK or Europe.

There should also be another 5 available to USA & Canada soon.

If you want a free of charge PCB let me know your full Name and address for Postage, I do not keep records of names & Addresses on file ;) so no need to worry about your details falling into wrong hands.


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: ramset on April 04, 2014, 04:43:00 PM
avalon
It is completely inapproriate to post a mans public name without his consent.
even more so in such a derogatory way with out ever having spoken to him?
 
And you do all this from the comfort of your own Anonymity ??
 
Bad taste sir ..............
 
Also it is quite arrogant to place your own rigor as the final word in this Matter
especially when the M.O.  requieres such tedious diligence.
 
Chet K
PS
Peterae all I can say is Thank you!!

{Edit for spelling }
 
 
 
Title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_Bwwvlc3I
Post by: Mr. Teslonian on April 04, 2014, 05:05:17 PM
I dunno if this will work or not. Just posting a link as everyone is struggling with Akula (Roman) Circuit. Just have a look at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_Bwwvlc3I

--- Mr Teslonian
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 04, 2014, 05:46:43 PM
Looks like you missed the socket with a couple of pins. Is this the driver chip, with unused pins?
You are right. Those were used when the circuit was tested. I install the driver chip back for the photo and, apparently missed a couple of pins.
Well spotted.

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 04, 2014, 05:51:05 PM
avalon
It is completely inapproriate to post a mans public name without his consent.
even more so in such a derogatory way with out ever having spoken to him?
 
And you do all this from the comfort of your own Anonymity ??
 
Bad taste sir ..............
 
Also it is quite arrogant to place your own rigor as the final word in this Matter
especially when the M.O.  requieres such tedious diligence.
 
Chet K
PS
Peterae all I can say is Thank you!!

{Edit for spelling }

You are delusional. I am not revealing his name. It is well known. Look at the youtube link above posted by 'From other planet'. It states akula's real name in the description. Regardless, I was referring to the site where the thread had started.

As far as the circuit is concerned, it is, without a shadow of a doubt, a hoax. It will linger now for years with some claiming that they are nearly get it working. There is no magical, special coil effect there and, so far, everything I've read about this circuit points to some well known but, usually, misinterpreted effects.

Coming back for Roman himself, I am not even going to comment. Here is a translation of his post here:http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134551-akula0083-obshhaya-tema-1.html?start=1188

+++++++GOOGLE TRANSLATE+++++++
cool! there is a new thread in SRANIKE (wordplay from "srat - shit" and "strannik - wanderer, the name of the Web site") where populations can poop! : woohoo:

I bastard from the pile of branches on thier delusional pahozhih gavnomitaniya (urban - shitting)!!
the most important thing to any pabolshi REFT! bes chips lost them!! : silly:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Some words are not translated due to numerous grammatical mistakes in the original post. You get the gist of it.

~A

BTW, I have no idea what Peterae is.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: ramset on April 04, 2014, 06:46:39 PM
avalon
It is completely inapproriate to post a mans public name without his consent.
even more so in such a derogatory way with out ever having spoken to him?
 
And you do all this from the comfort of your own Anonymity ??
 
Bad taste sir ..............
 
Also, it is quite arrogant to place your own rigor as the final word in this Matter
especially when the M.O. seems to completely escape you.
 
Chet K
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Google on April 05, 2014, 11:21:06 AM
What is the point in shooting the messanger Mr Chet K ? 

:D :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: ramset on April 05, 2014, 01:54:47 PM
Google
In this day and age we don't need messengers, If we act respectfully and in a civil way we actually get to speak with people .
 
I appologize but I cannot "engage" you .
 
have a good life.............
 
Chet K
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 05, 2014, 05:13:16 PM
Chet,

Roman made his name public.. no fault to anyone, but himself.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 05, 2014, 05:43:56 PM
I have tested the circuit in both Multisim and Cadance. On top of that I have actually built the circuit.
Both simulations pointed to almost identical results I have observed with the actual circuit.

The reason I have built the circuit was not based on an off-chance that the circuit would work although simulations tell otherwise but to use it for pulsed coil studies on my own.
The circuit is almost identical to the one circulating on the net with a small exception of the driver. I used IDDX609 instead of transistors.
Better, faster and more reliable.

Here it is...

Hi Avalon, I was wondering if you can post the files for the circuit simulation in any of the two formats. I will like to learn from it.  :)

Thanks,
TheStone.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 05, 2014, 06:01:37 PM
avalon
It is completely inapproriate to post a mans public name without his consent.
even more so in such a derogatory way with out ever having spoken to him?
 
And you do all this from the comfort of your own Anonymity ??
 
Bad taste sir ..............
 
Also it is quite arrogant to place your own rigor as the final word in this Matter
especially when the M.O.  requieres such tedious diligence.
 
Chet K
PS
Peterae all I can say is Thank you!!

{Edit for spelling }


http://www.alternate-energy.net/Dvid/view.php?video=NFZX-zUYlmM&feature=youtube_gdata_player&title=Wesley+Translate%27s+Akula%237+SCHEMATIC++Free+Energy+Device

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 05, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
Hoppy:

You posted your R5 waveform:

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37415#msg37415

You notice the negative spike and the ring-down after the current flow stops.  I still believe that is due to the small amount of inductive energy associated with R5 discharging into C5 when the current flow stops and then ringing down.  I was wondering what your thoughts are on that.

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 05, 2014, 10:32:33 PM
Hoppy:

You posted your R5 waveform:

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37415#msg37415 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37415#msg37415)

You notice the negative spike and the ring-down after the current flow stops.  I still believe that is due to the small amount of inductive energy associated with R5 discharging into C5 when the current flow stops and then ringing down.  I was wondering what your thoughts are on that.

Thanks,

MileHigh

MileHigh,

Yes, I think you are right. The resistor I used for R5 has an inductance of 0.4uH.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 06, 2014, 12:16:16 AM
I still believe that is due to the small amount of inductive energy associated with R5 discharging into C5 when the current flow stops and then ringing down.
You're probably correct.  It's still interesting to check whether the TL494 has been intentionally wired up to react to this signal.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 06, 2014, 05:36:20 PM
Hi Avalon, I was wondering if you can post the files for the circuit simulation in any of the two formats. I will like to learn from it.  :)

Thanks,
TheStone.
Sure. Here it is. Have fun.

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 07, 2014, 01:58:54 AM
Sure. Here it is. Have fun.

~A

Thank you Avalon, but I am getting this error...

UNRAR 3.60 beta 6 freeware      Copyright (c) 1993-2006 Alexander Roshal


Extracting from /Users/TheTrueStone/Documents/Akula0083/akula30083.rar

Extracting  /Users/TheTrueStone/Documents/Akula0083/akula30083.ms13      10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 61% 71% 81% 91% 99%
akula30083.ms13      - CRC failed
Unexpected end of archive
Total errors: 2

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 07, 2014, 03:49:21 AM
Thank you Avalon, but I am getting this error...

UNRAR 3.60 beta 6 freeware      Copyright (c) 1993-2006 Alexander Roshal
I have just tested the archive and it is fine on my end.
The WinRar that I've used is v4.20. I think you just need to upgrade your WinRar.
I would have published the uncompressed file but the site doesn't allow it.

Let me know if you still have problems unzipping the file. I could simply email you the uncompressed version.

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 07, 2014, 10:03:15 AM
I have just tested the archive and it is fine on my end.
Thestone is correct, the archive is damaged by this site's software.  A already mentioned this problem here (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg395166/#msg395166).

That the archive is fine on your end is not the ultimate test, because your browser can be reading it from the local cache. 
Try it on another computer and you will see it is truncated to 321568 bytes.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Ed morbus on April 07, 2014, 12:52:16 PM
I have same problem
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 07, 2014, 02:33:36 PM
I have just tested the archive and it is fine on my end.
The WinRar that I've used is v4.20. I think you just need to upgrade your WinRar.
I would have published the uncompressed file but the site doesn't allow it.

Let me know if you still have problems unzipping the file. I could simply email you the uncompressed version.

~A

Dear Avalon,

thanks for the response, but I have tried in two different OS, MAC and WIN, and in windows I have WinRar 5.01.... and does not open in any of them,  :-\ I will send you a private message with my email, if you are so kind to send me the files I really appreciated.  :)

Sincerely,
TheStone.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 07, 2014, 06:02:42 PM
I have same problem
OK, how about this...
I have renamed the original .ms13 file into .txt.

Download it and then simply change the filename extension to '.ms13'.

I'll do it as well just to make sure....

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 07, 2014, 06:03:31 PM
Thestone is correct, the archive is damaged by this site's software.  A already mentioned this problem here (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg395166/#msg395166).

That the archive is fine on your end is not the ultimate test, because your browser can be reading it from the local cache. 
Try it on another computer and you will see it is truncated to 321568 bytes.

That's right. I get the same error on my Linux machine. Try another compression, like .zip or even try putting the .rar into a .zip file.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 07, 2014, 06:04:27 PM
Just checked... it works.

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on April 08, 2014, 02:44:55 AM
http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/free-energy-devices-made-in-taiwan


Any comments??
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on April 08, 2014, 03:24:03 AM
http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/free-energy-devices-made-in-taiwan


Any comments??


That looks really incredible..... not the QEG, but the cult following that they have already seemed to have generated....

Can this be TRUE??????

take care, peace.
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lost_bro on April 08, 2014, 03:28:04 AM
Hi  All;

Sorry if this is OFF topic:

Here it is , the QEG user manual....

take care, peace
lost_bro
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 08, 2014, 05:32:53 AM
Hi  All;

Sorry if this is OFF topic:

Here it is , the QEG user manual....

take care, peace
lost_bro

I been looking into this, but there is no video that shows the device running and the unplug it from the grid, it me be a very well orchestrated scam.... it does not make sense that a person with so many patents and so many etc etc, does not have money to move from one place to another... they are sooo poor that they need money to finish the motor... plus she uses God to many times... ::)

when you go to one of her site, she has donations buttons everywhere....  :-\

The plans that are circulating on the web they really dont tell you anything....

Just be carefull people, wii be my first take on this.

The Stone.





Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 08, 2014, 11:03:23 AM
Hoppy:

You posted your R5 waveform:

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37415#msg37415 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg37415#msg37415)

You notice the negative spike and the ring-down after the current flow stops.  I still believe that is due to the small amount of inductive energy associated with R5 discharging into C5 when the current flow stops and then ringing down.  I was wondering what your thoughts are on that.

Thanks,

MileHigh

Hoppy.... why are you using "AC coupling" on your oscilloscope shot?

This removes any DC component that may be in the signal and brings the _average_ value of the signal down (or up) to the channel's zero voltage baseline level. In other words.... it removes the necessary quantitative information such as peak voltage values, average values, etc. since you _don't know_ how much the AC coupling has moved your signal up or down.

The AC vs. DC coupling feature is probably the least understood and the most error-inducing feature of oscilloscopes. AC coupling should NOT BE USED unless it is actually needed, for example to deliberately remove a large DC offset so that a small ripple can be seen.

AC coupling breaks the straight connection between the probe and the attenuator circuit in the scope, and puts a _series capacitor_ in line instead of the straight wire connection. That is all it does. Thus it removes any DC level and just allows the changing level of the signal to be displayed. This removes information from the displayed trace.

If you have a large DC offset and the signal you are interested in is just a small fluctuation in that large DC offset, then the use of AC Coupling may be appropriate. But FIRST you need to know how much your baseline is going to move when you select the AC coupling and boost the gain to see the small fluctuation. This means you normally leave the scope in DC coupling, you read where the DC offset level is, THEN you switch to AC coupling and boost the gain to see the ripple or small signal on top of the large DC offset. Then you know that the new "baseline" actually corresponds to the voltage level you read when you used DC coupled, and your "AC" is fluctuating around that "DC" level.

"AC Coupling" and "DC Coupling" really have nothing to do with whether you are measuring an "AC" or a "DC" signal. It refers to how the signal is connected to the oscilloscope: Through a capacitor, or not. You can simulate AC coupling simply by hooking a capacitor, like 0.1 uF poly film, onto the end of your probe between the DUT and the probe tip while in the "DC Coupled" setting.

The internal "AC Coupling" switch and capacitor in my old RM503:

(ETA: If your mosfets are getting hot... this means that either they are dissipating a lot of your power due to the body diode's action on reverse-voltage spikes, and/or that your mosfet is spending too much time in the "linear conductance" region (partially turned on) and so has a much higher Rdss than its normal full-on rating, so is dissipating a lot of power by Joule heating (I2R).)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 08, 2014, 11:07:58 AM
I been looking into this, but there is no video that shows the device running and the unplug it from the grid, it me be a very well orchestrated scam.... it does not make sense that a person with so many patents and so many etc etc, does not have money to move from one place to another... they are sooo poor that they need money to finish the motor... plus she uses God to many times... ::)

when you go to one of her site, she has donations buttons everywhere....  :-\

The plans that are circulating on the web they really dont tell you anything....

Just be carefull people, wii be my first take on this.

The Stone.

These people have no working prototype, and can give you no experimental data that would lead them to think they will ever achieve what they claim. They are either in collusion with Timothy Thrapp, or they themselves have been bamboozled by him. The excuses are already coming, fast and thick, and in a couple of days you will see more excuses as to why it's not running "now" but will be running "soon".... just be patient..... soon.....
Soon...
soon....

but soon never comes.

ETA: These "religiously" motivated FE claimants are the worst of the worst. Their devices never actually work like the "revelations" predict. Yet they never conclude that, perhaps..... their God just is joking around with them and doesn't really want them to succeed. Or that the "revelation" came originally from, eg, Satan, who is after all the Father of Lies, and who is getting his big jollies down there in Hell watching people like WhateverGirl and Tamothy Thripp getting fat off of other people's gullibility.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 08, 2014, 11:46:13 AM
Hoppy.... why are you using "AC coupling" on your oscilloscope shot?

This removes any DC component that may be in the signal and brings the _average_ value of the signal down (or up) to the channel's zero voltage baseline level. In other words.... it removes the necessary quantitative information such as peak voltage values, average values, etc. since you _don't know_ how much the AC coupling has moved your signal up or down.

The AC vs. DC coupling feature is probably the least understood and the most error-inducing feature of oscilloscopes. AC coupling should NOT BE USED unless it is actually needed, for example to deliberately remove a large DC offset so that a small ripple can be seen.


(ETA: If your mosfets are getting hot... this means that either they are dissipating a lot of your power due to the body diode's action on reverse-voltage spikes, and/or that your mosfet is spending too much time in the "linear conductance" region (partially turned on) and so has a much higher Rdss than its normal full-on rating, so is dissipating a lot of power by Joule heating (I2R).)

There is a massive DC coupling which is why I deliberately AC coupled the waveform to see it clearly, which is why the menu strip is in the shot to clearly show that the signal is AC coupled. Look at the vertical scaling!

Yes, the mosfet is getting very hot partly because of insufficient gate voltage, as I was not able to raise the supply voltage above 6.8V without an excessive current draw of around 12 Amps! This circuit as it stands is performing well as a mini hand warmer.  ;D
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 08, 2014, 01:56:36 PM
Hi  All;

Sorry if this is OFF topic:

Here it is , the QEG user manual....

take care, peace
lost_bro


Hi, thanks for the pdf, I already did check out on it and my first impression was - well, it might work with proper adjustment.


From the knowledge I have, when you make toroidal generator there was at least one case I know already when it ignored shorted circuit and did not slow down motor. Also there is coil shorting involved and that is where Ismael Aviso car is based on. And on resonance the consumption is minimal with maximum output...
So all this stuff makes sense and needs for someone to pick up and try to assemble small to medium size unit then try to get maximum performance out of it ;)


Cheers!

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 08, 2014, 03:14:06 PM
There is a massive DC coupling which is why I deliberately AC coupled the waveform to see it clearly, which is why the menu strip is in the shot to clearly show that the signal is AC coupled. Look at the vertical scaling!

Yes, the mosfet is getting very hot partly because of insufficient gate voltage, as I was not able to raise the supply voltage above 6.8V without an excessive current draw of around 12 Amps! This circuit as it stands is performing well as a mini hand warmer.  ;D

OK, if you are using AC coupling deliberately that's fine... but then of course your "spike" isn't really going negative at all, is it, since it's sitting on top of your "massive DC coupling" or rather component, and the reference baseline of your channel does not represent "zero voltage" or ground level at all, but rather the value of the DC component.  It would be nice to know the value of this massive DC component, don't you think?

You are also using 20 mV /division which is the most sensitive setting on many scopes, so your amplitudes aren't that great compared to the DC component.
 
The channel's AC or DC coupling is continuously displayed on your scope, by the presence or absence of the little sine wave symbol next to the channel setting, below the trace display area.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 08, 2014, 03:38:20 PM

Hi, thanks for the pdf, I already did check out on it and my first impression was - well, it might work with proper adjustment.


From the knowledge I have, when you make toroidal generator there was at least one case I know already when it ignored shorted circuit and did not slow down motor. Also there is coil shorting involved and that is where Ismael Aviso car is based on. And on resonance the consumption is minimal with maximum output...
So all this stuff makes sense and needs for someone to pick up and try to assemble small to medium size unit then try to get maximum performance out of it ;)


Cheers!

I think the mix in in the putting... if they have so many years working on this where is a working prototype... with a HD clear video not what you find in the web, all blurred out and no measurements of input and output....

I think these people are very good in creating a marketing campaign and promise utopia for energy and offer it for free to the word but of course then they ask for donations... you see so many donations websites about this HOPE girl it is ridiculous... she most be making millions !!!! and of course she does not has anything working that she can show for....

Give hope of something to people and they will follow you... that is way the mix it with religion...

The Stone.


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on April 08, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 08, 2014, 03:50:40 PM
Where is this video of one "working?" The last I heard they were having it rewound because it _didn't_ work but rather shorted some windings.

OK, it has no magnets, but it has the functional equivalent, in the changing flux path provided by the rotating armature. Since one set of coils is energized by the mains, it is making a field, which is then channeled across the halves of the torus by the rotating bar. I have no doubt that high voltages can be produced in this manner, just like a magneto does.

Running itself, though? Nope, that it will never do.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: dllabarre on April 08, 2014, 04:08:08 PM
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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 08, 2014, 04:12:15 PM
I see... your definition of "working" is different from mine.

For this device, "working" means "working AS CLAIMED". That is, running itself with no outside power, and producing excess power to light up a load bank. Is there some problem with that definition?

They have not done this, nobody has done this, and nobody will do this, even if the insulation holds up.  Sure, motor rewinders are happy to get custom work, it pays well and they have nothing at stake. So?

Funny how all those faces are blurred out, on this OPEN SOURCE project, isn't it?

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 08, 2014, 05:46:20 PM
I see... your definition of "working" is different from mine.

For this device, "working" means "working AS CLAIMED". That is, running itself with no outside power, and producing excess power to light up a load bank. Is there some problem with that definition?

They have not done this, nobody has done this, and nobody will do this, even if the insulation holds up.  Sure, motor rewinders are happy to get custom work, it pays well and they have nothing at stake. So?

Funny how all those faces are blurred out, on this OPEN SOURCE project, isn't it?

Hehe I like your definition of "working" TinselKoala.

I wonder why they edited and deleted the other comments...

The Stone,
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 08, 2014, 06:52:56 PM

They have not done this, nobody has done this, and nobody will do this, even if the insulation holds up.  Sure, motor rewinders are happy to get custom work, it pays well and they have nothing at stake. So?

Ditto.

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 08, 2014, 08:53:57 PM
Hehe I like your definition of "working" TinselKoala.

I wonder why they edited and deleted the other comments...

The Stone,

Argh. Now you see why I often take screenshots of posts. This time I didn't....
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 08, 2014, 10:48:35 PM
I found this video, I may not be the best guy to see if is all bull ... hope someone else can.

Man they will make a ton of money just selling the parts for this machine.... very clever!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ#t=229

Cheers.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: scratchrobot on April 09, 2014, 01:49:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on April 09, 2014, 03:15:29 PM
Dear All.

I do feel we a moving very slightly off topic here !!  :)

Perhaps these videos will re kindle the fire ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs

Cheers Grum.

Addendum. It seems scratchbot beat me to it !!  :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 09, 2014, 10:39:16 PM
Dear All.

I do feel we a moving very slightly off topic here !!  :)

Perhaps these videos will re kindle the fire ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)

Cheers Grum.

Addendum. It seems scratchbot beat me to it !!  :)

And here is my personal view in analogy of Akula version 60W LED bulb, it employs coil shorting in specific way to have BEMF mixed with momentary strong magnetic field. :)

Also the please see supporting video on coil shorting concept - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC6aglJ6a_8

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 10, 2014, 12:39:22 AM
And here is my personal view in analogy of Akula version 60W LED bulb, it employs coil shorting in specific way to have BEMF mixed with momentary strong magnetic field. :)

Also the please see supporting video on coil shorting concept - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC6aglJ6a_8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC6aglJ6a_8)

hi T-1000,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)


I feel the recent 3volt free energy led experiment got to do with 2 things.
2 Oscillator running at different frequency.

The faster osc is on the left side and the slower osc is on the right side with the green led from base of transistor to ground.
There is some kind of interaction between faster osc ic and the slower osc so that it trigger at the right point of waveform.

Do observe there is counter poise(large copper track at the bottom of coil) which also play a key role.

I do not know of any I/C that can run on 3volts.
One point in video i thought i saw I/C: K56UU-12 for the slower I/C.But google/yahoo search yield nothing.

Even 555 i/c needs 4.5volts.Unless it's 8 pin 7555(cmos version) maybe it can go as low as 3volts.Sorry i'm just guessing at this point.


 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 10, 2014, 12:49:55 AM
I feel the recent 3volt free energy led experiment got to do with 2 things.
2 Oscillator running at different frequency.

The faster osc is on the left side and the slower osc is on the right side with the green led from base of transistor to ground.
There is some kind of interaction between faster osc ic and the slower osc so that it trigger at the right point of waveform.

Do observe there is counter poise(large copper track at the bottom of coil) which also play a key role.

I do not know of any I/C that can run on 3volts.
One point in video i thought i saw I/C: K56UU-12 for the slower I/C.But google/yahoo search yield nothing.

Even 555 i/c needs 4.5volts.Unless it's 8 pin 7555(cmos version) maybe it can go as low as 3volts.Sorry i'm just guessing at this point.
Well, in the circuit I related it is 8 pin 555 timer, like in example - http://www.sentex.ca/~mec1995/circ/555test.gif  just with different operating frequency setup.

The generator chip is not very important as long as it can fit in flip/flop circuit with controlling feedback from load and can have regulated timing of coil shorting transistor so various timing tests can be done. Also the coil shorting approach is very interesting part and when it is used on sine wave peaks like in http://home.dmv.com/~tbastian/images/CorumDesign.gif there is voltage amplification happening with current not being affected...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 10, 2014, 12:55:42 AM
Quote
I do not know of any I/C that can run on 3volts.

The 64-bit microprocessor in your computer runs at 3.3 volts or less.  Lower voltage means less overall dissipated power and lower voltage swings requiring less energy to change logic level.   The lower power and lower voltage levels for the logic allow CPUs and other chips to run at faster speeds.

This has nothing to do with the Akula device.  It's just to answer your question.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: scratchrobot on April 10, 2014, 01:25:55 AM
I'm playing with an Attiny85 (http://www.atmel.com/devices/attiny85.aspx?tab=parameters), operating voltage 1.8 to 5.5v  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcjq_KI80gE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcjq_KI80gE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXTe-Ga5DG8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXTe-Ga5DG8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARLrYruWoBs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARLrYruWoBs)

Cheap, very easy to program with the Arduino software (http://www.arduino.cc/),  jnaudin is also experimenting with  (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE26en.htm)a cpu on a Bedini motor.



With a small battery (https://content.solarbotics.com/products/photos/0571622f4f316ec5a486cd07e4ac3d27/lrg/battc1224_-_img_7225.jpg) hidden somewhere like in the coil, an Attiny, LED, and some other fake components it would be very easy to replicate a device like in the Delamorto video's i posted earlier  :(
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 10, 2014, 01:47:56 AM
I do not know of any I/C that can run on 3volts.
One point in video i thought i saw I/C: K56UU-12 for the slower I/C.But google/yahoo search yield nothing.
There are plenty of Integrated Circuits that can be supplied with 3V.
The 14-pin DIP IC shown in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM) is a Hex Inverter к561лн2 (http://electro-tehnyk.narod.ru/docs/Datasheet/K561LN2.pdf) that functions with supply voltages from 3V to 18V.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: HG8AD on April 10, 2014, 10:20:28 AM
There are plenty of Integrated Circuits that can be supplied with 3V.
The 14-pin DIP IC shown in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM) is a Hex Inverter к561лн2 (http://electro-tehnyk.narod.ru/docs/Datasheet/K561LN2.pdf) that functions with supply voltages from 3V to 18V.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 10, 2014, 11:32:22 AM


hi HG8AD,

Now you got my attention with the interesting circuit diagram. :)

In the video there was 2 Led which was not lit but after one led is removed and bypassed only then the circuit started functioning without "input power".
This revealed that bemf was not high enough to power 2 white leds in series.

There is a "kill switch" / "Kill oscillation Switch" instead of typical on/off battery power switch which makes it even more interesting. :)

The hex inverter seems to be right to trigger at right point of waveform.

This makes more sense than the Akula 30watt self running generator which i was not interested.Tuning stage is even more painful since it's like hard coded with the core related to the timing/trigger timming. ;)

I do recommend ppl to try this circuit instead ,for those with "oscilloscope". But i feel the hex inverter isn't completed there is no delay involved after waveform for trigger.But instead using a cap.
I think i have seen a suitable circuit somewhere internet something about delayed trigger upon receiving a waveform\signal.

I'm involved with Don smith device if successful at later stage which include self loop/step down stage, i doubt i will jump for another "FE" project especially low power ones.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 10, 2014, 12:15:45 PM
Maybe this schematic is of this divice? http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3109/dela3.jpg
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 10, 2014, 01:22:42 PM
There is a "kill switch" / "Kill oscillation Switch" instead of typical on/off battery power switch which makes it even more interesting. :)
The hex inverter seems to be right to trigger at right point of waveform.
This makes more sense than the Akula 30watt self running generator
This schematic makes less sense because:
1) The Stop switch just shorts the 1000µF supply line capacitor. Bad for the switch without current limiting.
2) The MOSFET shorts the supply line capacitor through a 100Ω resistor and does not affect  the current in the transformer windings almost at all nor the feedback pin 5 of the MC34063.
3) The 300µH feedback winding is connected with a 10µF cap across the supply line bidirectionally.
4) Five inverters are configured as independent LED blinkies that can influence the rest of the circuit only through the supply line (pin 14)

This schematic does not appear to depict the circuit from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM) which has only one LED blinkie and 2 pots.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 10, 2014, 02:18:17 PM
This schematic makes less sense because:
1) The Stop switch just shorts the 1000µF supply line capacitor. Bad for the switch without current limiting.
2) The MOSFET shorts the supply line capacitor through a 100Ω resistor and does not affect  the current in the transformer windings almost at all nor the feedback pin 5 of the MC34063.
3) The 300µH feedback winding is connected with a 10µF cap across the supply line bidirectionally.
4) Five inverters are configured as independent LED blinkies that can influence the rest of the circuit only through the supply line (pin 14)

This schematic does not appear to depict the circuit from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM) which has only one LED blinkie and 2 pots.

hi verpies,Grumage,T-1000,

You are right.All the posted circuit diagram is "Not Valid" only the I/C number is correct which is useful for me to start. :)
I will reply you the right connection for CD4069 shortly after 20minutes "work". :D   
This is just half the "section" for now which is not complete for i have not check the other 8 pin I/C yet.

Nvm i just realized i can't attach file in PM.

Base on video 2 at 1:08min as attached.

I think i'm gonna offend the creator of the circuit.Better save video.Since i can't attach file in PM
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 10, 2014, 03:14:50 PM
Base on video 2 at 1:08min as attached.
You made a mistake.   Pins 2 & 3 are not connected directly to the cap.  They are connected directly only to the pot.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 10, 2014, 04:12:00 PM
You made a mistake.   Pins 2 & 3 are not connected directly to the cap.  They are connected directly only to the pot.

hi verpies,

I have amended the drawing.

4069 pin 2&3 is connected together.

Looks like this slow oscillator is running and acting as trigger on it's own without any feedback from main oscillator.

There is some possibility the frequency may drift over time maybe due to component aging or temperature variation. :)

The creator of the circuit might have been lucky to get it right.

 
   



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 10, 2014, 05:25:39 PM
Looks like this slow oscillator is running and acting as trigger on it's own without any feedback from main oscillator.
There is some possibility the frequency may drift over time maybe due to component aging or temperature variation. :)
Yes and three unused CMOS inputs are free floating.  They should be grounded (as shown below) or those three inverters will oscillate spuriously ...but maybe that's the key to OU ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: conico on April 10, 2014, 06:36:03 PM
I can't believe, only one coil on that transformer?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Ed morbus on April 10, 2014, 06:58:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5OqqyuKljE
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 07:01:58 PM
Yes and three unused CMOS inputs are free floating.  They should be grounded (as shown below) or those three inverters will oscillate spuriously ...but maybe that's the key to OU ;)
Maybe it is.    ;)
Actually an "unused" CMOS input can be configured to pick up the electric field from, eg, a HV secondary coil, and then the output of the gate can be used in a feedback circuit to make the whole affair seek its natural resonant frequency. I don't know if that's what is happening here, but it's a technique used by SSTC builders.
For example:
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 10, 2014, 08:34:22 PM
I can't believe, only one coil on that transformer?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
I think that not one.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: conico on April 10, 2014, 08:41:22 PM
which is the secondary coil?
do not tell me,  that screw in the middle of the transformer is the secondary coil !?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 10, 2014, 09:56:08 PM
which is the secondary coil?
do not tell me,  that screw in the middle of the transformer is the secondary coil !?
Here elemated wires is 4 seems going from that transformer or maybe more. look at 2:40. In right side is two small holes sims, were going two seems elemanated wires. In other side is same... [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)[/size]
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 10, 2014, 10:20:52 PM
MenofFather is correct about two enameled wires in one white fiberglass sheathing.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: adriangray on April 10, 2014, 11:28:12 PM
Looking at this NB ENF circuit ist what is happening is the MC34063 switches on andthe 1000uf is charged on a sort of linear slope the cd 4069 works as a timer for the energy to light the LED when the fly back time is exusted the mos fet turns on and dumps any exess energy and it starts again, you can see this going on in the guys scope trace, the nergy is switched between the caps and the core. Thats my opinion and i'm sticking to it. But dont blame me if i'm wrong ok.
 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 11, 2014, 12:24:58 AM
Yes and three unused CMOS inputs are free floating.  They should be grounded (as shown below) or those three inverters will oscillate spuriously ...but maybe that's the key to OU ;)


hi verpies,

There are 2 copper wires(thick&thin) going into the coil from the right side of circuit where there is transistor.
The transistor is connected to the thicker wire.

I will need to double check if the thin wire is connected to pin 1 or pin 7 of the 8 pin I/C.

It's was late last night i can't continue ......

I will post more updates later today once i'm back from work,need to leave home soon.Thanks goodness it's Friday....
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 11, 2014, 01:01:19 AM
Actually an "unused" CMOS input can be configured to pick up the electric field from, eg, a HV secondary coil, and then the output of the gate can be used in a feedback circuit to make the whole affair seek its natural resonant frequency. I don't know if that's what is happening here,
It is not, because outputs of those inverters (pins 8, 10, 12) are not used.

...but it's a technique used by SSTC builders.
That's a neat application of HiZ inputs.
For a while now, I was musing about using this method in a rationometric configuration, where one E-field sensor is positioned in the middle of the long HV secondary coil of a SSTC and another is positioned at the end of it. 
The ratio between their signals would be maximized when a perfect standing wave is formed in the long HV secondary coil of a SSTC.
This would have the advantage of being more immune to noise as this rationometric E-sensor pair is not sensitive to common mode noise.

To protect the receiver/control circuitry from HV hazard of close proximity to the secondary coil, I was thinking about implementing these localized E-field sensors as neon bulbs attached to ends of a optical fiber (potted in black epoxy of course) since neon bulbs do not require a power supply (unlike CMOS ICs).

Do you think neon bulbs would make localized E-sensors that are fast enough to generate pulse-by-pulse feedback signals?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 11, 2014, 05:46:13 AM
I was thinking of the Akula diagram that has the 5 "no input" gates and their LEDs outlined in blue.


The NE-2 idea is pretty neat. I don't know if the NE2 plasma glow is fast enough to produce discrete "flashes" at, say, 1 MHz or whatever high speed is necessary for a pulse-by-pulse feedback system, but I can probably find out. Certainly they do light up in response to 4MHz or greater but I don't know if they go "dark" between those fast pulses! They probably do, though.


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: scratchrobot on April 11, 2014, 07:54:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)


Looks to me in the last video he is jumpstarting the device by holding some iron or magnet near hex inverter, also in second video he is playing with something near device, looks like a bold?.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 11, 2014, 05:36:35 PM

Looks to me in the last video he is jumpstarting the device by holding some iron or magnet near hex inverter, also in second video he is playing with something near device, looks like a bold?.
In his divice no magnets.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: HG8AD on April 11, 2014, 06:15:41 PM
Variations in similar schemes !!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Ed morbus on April 11, 2014, 07:20:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqWCWhMteeE
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 12, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
hi verpies,

I have reverse engineered the pulsed flasher at pin 8 IC Section MC14063.

Please assist to verify and update the previously attached circuit.Thanks.

Please take note i have made a small mistake the trim Pot with 103 marking is actually 10K Ohms instead of 1K Ohms.There are 2 "103" pots in circuit.

The only thing i do not know
1)the tiny capacitor value found on pin3 & pin 4 of MC34063.I assume it's 510pf base on other replicate diagram.
2)There are just 4 wiring to ferrite pot core which i do not know from left side of ferrite pot  is connected to which one on the right side of circuit.
    At this moment i simply assume after diode which is connected to (+)1000uf 10volt from pin1(MC14063) will eventually lead to transistor collector at the other side of circuit.
    This makes the most sense for me.

3)Resistor value between pin 7 & pin 8 can be faintly seen as 2 red which i assume is 220 ohms.The other replicate shown as 180 ohms.

4)Resistor beside 10k ohms pot near 8 pin IC looks like 1.2KOhms brown,red,red,gold.

Only those with "oscilloscope" would able to see if the trigger is happening at which position of waveform."This is important".

5)I did not put the kill push button which is not important as short circuiting the caps would cease oscillation if this device works as "FE" device. :D

6)Latest update -I can't tell if the pin 4 of MC34063 is indeed connected to ground(-).Base on datasheet it's conected to ground.
     Pin 6 (MC34063) is where + 3volt power needs to be applied during testing stage/before self run.

The  CD4069 trigger frequency should follow with the oscillation frequency of MC34063 since i don't know the tiny cap value used.

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I will have a go at this circuit once i received the ferrite pot and 8 pin ic. ;)
Not forgetting the counter poise beneath ferrite pot which is the large copper track which is also the (-)

I'm sure now the creator of this device would be mad at me. :D :D :D :D :D :'(
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For those whom just read my recent posting with verpies-

This is the video which i have reverse engineered circuit merely by looking at youtube video.Less than 1 watt free energy device.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 12, 2014, 11:19:37 PM
@magpwr

Nice work!   8) You should start a new thread for this project.  I will follow.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 13, 2014, 01:59:41 AM
I have reverse engineered the pulsed flasher at pin 8 IC Section MC34063.
Please assist to verify and update the previously attached circuit.Thanks.
Is this what you had in mind?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 13, 2014, 04:58:22 AM
Is this what you had in mind?

hi verpies,

I have just edited circuit diagram as attached which i didn't spot earlier.

I hold no secrets there are only 2 possibilities related to the connection from the pot core at the left side as side which the copper wire from pot core can be easily swapped on circuit board.
The circuit diagram attached is one of the possibilities.

The other possible way is we just need to swap copper wire as shown in my drawing.
If you take a look at the attached top side photo.It also looks like transistor collector to ferrite pot core then to pin1 before diode base on 2nd possible connection.

I have also attached my edited drawing on where the copper wire needs to be swapped base on 2nd possibilities.

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This is just my personnel opinion only base on the attached circuit diagram the value of R3  100 ohm resistor leading to the green led should be replaced with a higher value anywhere around 560 ohms.
Since i don't want to steal too much "signal power" meant for the base of the transistor and maintain a dimly lit green light which merely serve as indicator purpose only.

Some experimenting is required to find out which is a suitable NPN transistor for the job which shouldn't be a big problem at all.

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This is the latest update minutes after posting.I have attached mini video to show my existing IC HCF4069UBE blinking happily on Li-ion battery 3.4volts which i am using 330 ohms to led.
The capacitor value for 4069 in your circuit diagram needs to be lowered from 10uf to 4.7uf to get the green led blink rate quite similar to the youtube video.

I'm guessing the resistor to drive transistor may or may not need to be lowered from 100 ohms but not confirmed at this moment since i'm waiting for component MC34063 to arrive. ;)

The current drawn at this testing stage with green led is around <1mA
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For everyone else,

This experiment is only suitable for those with oscilloscope to view 2 signals generated by 2 IC else it would be a failure if signal is not in sync.

I don't make promises if this circuit will work as intended since this circuit isn't mine. :D
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 13, 2014, 11:02:14 AM
 
@magpwr

Nice work!   8) You should start a new thread for this project.  I will follow.
This divice based on not akula 30 W divice... Author on this divice before several months also try replicate this divice but unsucsesfuly and now he make it with small output.
It based on this schematic and divice http://eurosamodelki.ru/uploads/images/83c140d3ddb49e354c61634b21931c92 (http://eurosamodelki.ru/uploads/images/83c140d3ddb49e354c61634b21931c92)
http://eurosamodelki.ru/katalog-samodelok/alternativnaja-energetika/generator-energii-na-nelineinoi-induktivnosti (http://eurosamodelki.ru/uploads/images/83c140d3ddb49e354c61634b21931c92)
Aouthors is two defferent guys.

Princip can be like that of this divice http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/1766/uzel.jpg (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/1766/uzel.jpg) Транзисторы закрываються и открываються поочерёдно.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 13, 2014, 11:13:40 AM
OK, I altered the values of R3 and C4 according to your recommendations.

I kept the connection to R0 (the CSR made out of the wire jumper).  If you look at the circuit diagram on page 5 of this datasheet (http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/MC34063A-D.PDF), you will see that it makes sense.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 13, 2014, 11:14:57 AM
Here my one schreen shot.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: doktorsvet on April 13, 2014, 12:02:16 PM
Hello ladies and gentlemen, scheme flashlight vadim guk published on the website zaryad.com
http://zaryad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8534
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 13, 2014, 12:14:42 PM
Here my one schreen shot.

hi Menofather,

I am using the  circuit diagram posted by verpies.

I have already tested 4069 led blinking and it's working.I have attached led blinking video once more.I am just waiting for MC34063 and around 4cm ferrite pot to arrive.
Kindly do wait for 3 weeks once parts arrive only then i can report result.

In the meantime i will just wait for any feedback if anyone got all the component available and circuit assembled.
I'm aware this isn't the right thread which i would like to end it with a working device and no further question asked once all the details are provided. :D

I doubt i will go for any other free energy "Led circuit diagram" which is not tested.

My method is reverse engineering via youtube video with no circuit diagram provided by the creator of the working device.



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In the meantime I have increase the output secondary of Don smith device to around 140volts.
I am waiting for small value capacitors around 10nf to arrive so that i can do fine tweaking at secondary capacitor.

Since my don smith secondary was wired wrongly i merely criss-cross one of the secondary output.

Need to find time to build driver stage for "1200volt IGBT" which i have received then use my 220volts inverter and rectify to around 400volts with around 300uf 400volt cap to switch primary coil.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: semenihin-77 on April 13, 2014, 12:35:04 PM
К этой схеме Акула не имеет никакого отношения.
В первом видео показан принцип. Частота коллебаний там ниже чем задающий в 34063. Десятки герц против десятков килогерц.
Резонанс ловиться изменением напряжения- резистором.

This scheme Shark irrelevant.
The first video shows the principle. Oscillation frequency are lower than set in 34063. Dozens hertz against tens of kilohertz.
Resonance caught changing the voltage-resistor.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 13, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
Right draw values?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: semenihin-77 on April 13, 2014, 02:21:18 PM
не работает на других транзисторах, оригинальный выковырял из компьютерного вентилятора.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 13, 2014, 02:34:13 PM
не работает на других транзисторах, оригинальный выковырял из компьютерного вентилятора.
"does not work on other transistors, took original one from computer fan"

Do you have it self running..? :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 13, 2014, 02:37:51 PM
не работает на других транзисторах, оригинальный выковырял из компьютерного вентилятора.
Должно работать, так не может быть, что все не подходят, нужно только, например, может очень чувствительный найти, с высоким коэфициентом усиления. И сколько витков и в какую сторону намотаны катушки?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: semenihin-77 on April 13, 2014, 03:21:08 PM
Должно работать, так не может быть, что все не подходят, нужно только, например, может очень чувствительный найти, с высоким коэфициентом усиления. И сколько витков и в какую сторону намотаны катушки?
я перебрал много разных, подошел именно указанный на схеме.
По поводу намотки первички ничего не скажу, Я не уверен что это единственный и верный вариант, мощность полученная с ней очень маленькая, поэтому выложено все для поиска альтернативы.....если конечно кто то захочет повторить.
То что на видео моя попытка реализовать непонятный мне возникающий резонанс. Я не понимаю откуда оно, и как его увеличить (см. 1 видео)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 13, 2014, 03:26:28 PM
То что на видео моя попытка реализовать непонятный мне возникающий резонанс. Я не понимаю откуда оно, и как его увеличить (см. 1 видео)

Seems you got parametric resonance and also due 2 clashing frequencies involved - there is something similar happening like in TPU version few years ago http://exvacuo.free.fr/div/Sciences/Exp%E9riences/Em/Ronotte%20-%20TPU.pdf
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 13, 2014, 03:37:03 PM
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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 13, 2014, 05:21:22 PM
...
То что на видео моя попытка реализовать непонятный мне возникающий резонанс. Я не понимаю откуда оно, и как его увеличить (см. 1 видео)
Чтоб его увеличить, либо лицендратом или толще проводом наматать, как обычно, либо конденсатор подцепить к той катушке, например, 0,01 микрофарад, паралельно, но частота понизиться. А какая у тебя частота одного генератора и второго? (так как я вижу тут два генератора, хоть один как инвертер, но что-то мне он очень похож на генератор и он имеет свою частоту, наверное.)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 13, 2014, 06:02:27 PM
Thanks semenihin-77 for sharing the original schematic!  Looks like magpwr was close, but I do see some errors.

For those not in Russia the K561LH2 IC is equivalent to CD4069
http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_13231_-1 (http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_13231_-1)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 13, 2014, 08:30:59 PM
Thanks semenihin-77 for sharing the original schematic!  Looks like magpwr was close, but I do see some errors.

For those not in Russia the K561LH2 IC is equivalent to CD4069
http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_13231_-1 (http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10001_10001_13231_-1)
Only к561лн2 work from 3 to 15 volts and CD4069 works from 5 to 20 volts?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 13, 2014, 08:38:05 PM
Only к561лн2 work from 3 to 15 volts and CD4069 works from 5 to 20 volts?

It is 3 to 15v
http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdDS/13231.pdf (http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdDS/13231.pdf)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: scratchrobot on April 13, 2014, 09:36:00 PM
I tested the 4069 on 3v and it works fine,
http://youtu.be/-uPwwTgamng (http://youtu.be/-uPwwTgamng)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: scratchrobot on April 13, 2014, 10:46:37 PM
я перебрал много разных, подошел именно указанный на схеме.
По поводу намотки первички ничего не скажу, Я не уверен что это единственный и верный вариант, мощность полученная с ней очень маленькая, поэтому выложено все для поиска альтернативы.....если конечно кто то захочет повторить.
То что на видео моя попытка реализовать непонятный мне возникающий резонанс. Я не понимаю откуда оно, и как его увеличить (см. 1 видео)


Да, я хотел бы повторить схему, пожалуйста, скажите мне больше о катушке.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 13, 2014, 11:09:51 PM

Да, я хотел бы повторить схему, пожалуйста, скажите мне больше о катушке.

That would be great.. I see both 1:2 and 1:3 ratio in the schematics.  More info on the transformer would be helpful.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 13, 2014, 11:56:12 PM
Thanks semenihin-77 for sharing the original schematic!  Looks like magpwr was close, but I do see some errors.
Do tell us about these errors.
For example: The white LED has a 1k resistor in series with it.

What else besides component values?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 14, 2014, 12:25:51 AM
I have changed W2-pin6 connection, added R5 and corrected the component values according to semenihin-77 (http://www.overunity.com/profile/semenihin-77.28544/)'s diagram.
Except for the switch, now these diagrams should be electronically identical ...despite different layout.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 14, 2014, 12:28:39 AM
Do tell us about these errors.
For example: The white LED has a 1k resistor in series with it.

What else besides component values?

W2 shouldn't be connected to pin 14, should be pin 6 of 34063

Edit:  I see you already fixed.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 14, 2014, 12:56:30 AM
Да, я хотел бы повторить схему, пожалуйста, скажите мне больше о катушке.
Пожалуйста, также скажите мне больше о обмотками и сердечником.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: elementSix on April 14, 2014, 03:02:33 AM
Sorry for off topic, but the powers that be have staged a protest to the kapanadze thread, cause to much information.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: elementSix on April 14, 2014, 03:05:09 AM
Hey Verpies, am I reading this circuit right, you know I suck at circuits..  Is this area for output to Primary, and also what do you think of it?  Anyone??

I think the second one is the same, just different..  I think..
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 14, 2014, 03:09:14 AM
I guess this schematic has some info on similar transformer.. but 1:1:1?  Maybe someone can translate?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 14, 2014, 03:14:53 AM
Sorry for off topic, but the powers that be have staged a protest to the kapanadze thread, cause to much information.

No worries.. this thread has been off topic for a long while.  :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 14, 2014, 03:27:32 AM
I guess this schematic has some info on similar transformer.. but 1:1:1?  Maybe someone can translate?

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Ferrite pot core OB30 M1500. 3 coils 50 turns each using 0.35mm insulated magnetic wire. The induction is 3x716 uH. Standard 2 sections coil holder. One section is used by the bifiler coil (L1 & L2) and the other section is for the L3. Naturally, an air gap of 0.5mm is required (according to the theory).

In accordance with the AN920 document Figure 18 (http://onsemi.com), the induction should be 115uH. I have achieved the same result by using 20 turns of 0.35 wire. Thus 3x115uH (L1,L2,L3)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 14, 2014, 04:03:10 AM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 07:02:09 AM
I guess this schematic has some info on similar transformer.. but 1:1:1?  Maybe someone can translate?
Yes, all coils have same number of turns.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 10:37:25 AM
In this circuit 510 is nanofarads or picofards?
http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/136666/
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: scratchrobot on April 14, 2014, 11:01:44 AM
Looks like this is the same device also powering 2 bright LED's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoGfSDbnwbk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoGfSDbnwbk)


Discription from semenihin-77 posted last year (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg374491/#msg374491):



Who can correctly translate into English , do it! :)


Those who do not want to spark, those who look for sverhedenitsu simple , for those who want a simple and intuitive device is the invention Andrei Melnichenko , who is also I think the author of the roller. Circuit analysis was conducted on Realstranike , many experiences delivered by me . Now I can show the scheme and the principle which underlies the work. Work still in progress , you can continue with them . Element base simple.
And so how this LED flashlight.
The circuit consists of DC boost converter , which converts the primary power supply 3 to 4 volts at 6-7 to power two LED base circuit patent Melnichenko - transgenerator . This is based on the split core is magnetized by means OEDS . Who are interested can read his many patents and video.
DC converter makes two right - of -first converts and increases the voltage to power LEDs, and magnetizes detached armored core , due to this energy is produced , which is removed from the core and the armor is used to power the circuit . Since this energy to properly dispose of used chip logic , it is an active load for the free energy , this energy output is regulated by a very simple and ingenious is LEDs , coarse and fine adjustment by changing their blink rate achieve the desired load . Is there another fuse circuit in the form of the FET , which is connected to the inverted output k561LN2 as soon as the voltage reaches 5 volts, it closes the power through a resistor , preventing thereby greatly change the input voltage to the regulator . I enclose a diagram and a video that shows what is happening in an armored core , remind him winding sections, the first winding needed for DC converter , the second for feeding the entire device.


http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Andrei_Melnichenko_Inventions.pdf (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Andrei_Melnichenko_Inventions.pdf)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/)

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 14, 2014, 12:25:16 PM
In this circuit 510 is nanofarads or picofards?
http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/136666/ (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/136666/)

Hi MenoFather,

Similar to value in MC34063 datasheet it's 510pf.
The objective is to syn 2 signal from 2 I/C together to get it right.
The video 1 of the device which i am interested in somewhat reveal how the waveform should look like else failure would be the result.

Stick with this circuit provided by the circuit creator and just ignore all the rest of the unknown/non validated schematics provided by others.Since they don't know if that unknown circuit provided by their findings works in the first place. :D

My mind is simple if you can get <1watt free energy device working then we would eventually know how to scale up to a higher power output to share with the world.Akula name will slowly fade away from our minds in the near future although he gave us inspiration indirectly."This is what anyone whom hate free energy need to fear"

At point please save valid circuit diagrams ,start experimenting(For those with oscilloscope) and replicate.
Good Luck as anything unexpected can happen from here.

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
Я по ошибке купил hcf4049ube, продавсу сказал CD4049, но он мне дал такую и у неё 8 ножек, она не подойдёт?


HCF4049UBE is not good for this project?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 14, 2014, 02:18:57 PM
Looks like this is the same device also powering 2 bright LED's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoGfSDbnwbk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoGfSDbnwbk)
Similar.
This circuit has 4 LEDs, the hex inverter is fully utilized and the MOSFET is doing almost nothing.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 14, 2014, 02:30:10 PM
Я по ошибке купил hcf4049ube, продавсу сказал CD4049, но он мне дал такую и у неё 8 ножек, она не подойдёт?


HCF4049UBE is not good for this project?

hi menofather,

I am merely using whatever I/C i have available HCF4069 or CD4069 or even MM74C04 should produce similar results.
My led blinking test was using existing available IC HCF4069

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MM/MM74C04.pdf (http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MM/MM74C04.pdf)

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 03:33:21 PM
I reconect conections and made on HCF4069. And can change frenquency from about 1 herc to about 200 or maybe more. I see on oscilioscope and see wery short impulses let say of 4 herc. And divice vibrating on that frenquency. I not understant that do 34063? That it frenquency? I use one and other coil same lenght and not get selfrunning, LED green also blinking of 1-200 herc, that I ajust.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 14, 2014, 04:07:22 PM
I reconect conections and made on HCF4069. And can change frenquency from about 1 herc to about 200 or maybe more. I see on oscilioscope and see wery short impulses let say of 4 herc. And divice vibrating on that frenquency. I not understant that do 34063? That it frenquency? I use one and other coil same lenght and not get selfrunning, LED green also blinking of 1-200 herc, that I ajust.

hi MenoFather,

For the time being i'm not able to advise anything since i did not received required components to start assembly in order to advise others.This is my first time working with MC30463. ???

If anyone have completed assembly please advise outcome once it is calibrated using oscilloscope.
 

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 14, 2014, 06:37:14 PM
My divice. I try different coils windings, but not get selfrunning. I run from 3 vols and 6 volts. Try regulate two potentiometers, try without red LED.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: scratchrobot on April 14, 2014, 08:17:16 PM
My divice. I try different coils windings, but not get selfrunning. I run from 3 vols and 6 volts. Try regulate two potentiometers, try without red LED.


You forgot the stop switch  ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 14, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
My divice. I try different coils windings, but not get selfrunning. I run from 3 vols and 6 volts. Try regulate two potentiometers, try without red LED.

It won't work.

Incidentally, there is a list of known fakes here:
http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/141-cpisok-avtorov-ustroistv-kotorye-nikto-ne-smog-p/
It includes the circuit you are trying to replicate.

BTW, according to this: realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162073
the blinking LEDs circuit has been confirmed a fake as well. The trick was simple.  One of the capacitors is, in fact, an EDLC device (Electric double-layer capacitor). Once you jump-start the circuit it will work for several minutes.
I am going to make one as a practical joke. I'll post a video of the 'working device' as soon as I can.

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 14, 2014, 09:10:02 PM
Please continue all 3v OU Flashlight discussion here:
http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg397848/

This thread is for the topic of the Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 14, 2014, 11:10:15 PM
My divice. I try different coils windings, but not get selfrunning. I run from 3 vols and 6 volts. Try regulate two potentiometers, try without red LED.

Labas :)

Delamorto did have black USSR hard ferrite which also remains magnetized after coils are off. After some discussion with him the core may appear to be made from same material as old Russian TV yoke (that's hint where to look for transformer).

My advice, you might first try to replicate 1:1 transformer first before going wild with all different designs. ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: magpwr on April 15, 2014, 12:04:40 AM
It won't work.

Incidentally, there is a list of known fakes here:
http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/141-cpisok-avtorov-ustroistv-kotorye-nikto-ne-smog-p/ (http://www.freenergy.com.ua/topic/141-cpisok-avtorov-ustroistv-kotorye-nikto-ne-smog-p/)
It includes the circuit you are trying to replicate.

BTW, according to this: realstrannik.ru/forum/temy-atom/134569-qgenerator-na-nelinejnoj-induktivnostiq-rekonstrukcziya-sxemy-i-pechatnoj-platy.html#162073
the blinking LEDs circuit has been confirmed a fake as well. The trick was simple.  One of the capacitors is, in fact, an EDLC device (Electric double-layer capacitor). Once you jump-start the circuit it will work for several minutes.
I am going to make one as a practical joke. I'll post a video of the 'working device' as soon as I can.

~A

hi avalon,

Whose legs are you are trying to pull. :D :D :D

Remember i reverse engineer from youtube video and not base on any circuit diagram provided by anyone.

The capacitors value as found on capacitor is 1000uf 10v and 470uf 16volt. :D :D :D

I would have known first hand if it's fake before i even start reverse engineering directly from youtube video. :D :D :D

Let follow the newly created topic.I admit it was a nice try from you to distract others without any validation made by you first hand. :D
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 15, 2014, 08:51:37 AM
Labas :)

Delamorto did have black USSR hard ferrite which also remains magnetized after coils are off. After some discussion with him the core may appear to be made from same material as old Russian TV yoke (that's hint where to look for transformer).

My advice, you might first try to replicate 1:1 transformer first before going wild with all different designs. ;)
I not have that core. I bealive that core here is not important. Because Delamorto first also can not make this divici selfrunning with correct core. Это как говориться, генератор на  нелинейной индуктивности ,тут нелинейная индуктивность смысл делает ,а не сердечник, так упрощённо говоря. :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 15, 2014, 11:37:53 PM
Hey Verpies, am I reading this circuit right, you know I suck at circuits..  Is this area for output to Primary, and also what do you think of it? 
I think it's a coil of a relay.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 16, 2014, 01:26:38 PM
Hi guys :)

Akula showed more details as per my request - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DkjdsQ9vug (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DkjdsQ9vug)

In first part he showed effect what happens when Tesla coil effect is applied perpendicularly to normal windings on 90 degrees. Obviously this big toroid was not good success for first intended OU device. The ground wire is used there as well.
In second part of video the circuit board is from LEDs 1W schematics using toroid from 1st part. This is where it was OK on self running it seems...


I not have that core. I bealive that core here is not important. Because Delamorto first also can not make this divici selfrunning with correct core. Это как говориться, генератор на  нелинейной индуктивности ,тут нелинейная индуктивность смысл делает ,а не сердечник, так упрощённо говоря. :)
I disagree, the core materials used are most important if we are talking about NMR effect there. Otherwise what makes additional source of energy there for self run and powering small load?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 16, 2014, 02:28:37 PM
I disagree, the core materials used are most important if we are talking about NMR effect there. Otherwise what makes additional source of energy there for self run and powering small load?
Exactly
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 16, 2014, 05:59:19 PM
  I will soon be showing how the output of my Mazilli circuit along with a yoke core can be improved substantially by the use of magnetite magnets added to the core. The trick to this type of tuning is finding the exact right position of the magnets, to obtain improved performance.
  So, yes the cores are important, but their normal output can also be improved to possibly be more similar to the special Russian type of yokes as well as other types of cores.
  Although I find that the louder the devices rings, the higher the output power it has. But, depending on core tuning, at times the output can also be high, without any audible ringing.
 I know that this may have little to do with the circuit that you are working on, but I thought that this information may also help here. Give it a try, as costs very little to do this experiment.
  I will upload a video showing this in a day or two. I am a bit busy right now with Easter Holidays, and all.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 16, 2014, 06:11:30 PM

I disagree, the core materials used are most important if we are talking about NMR effect there. Otherwise what makes additional source of energy there for self run and powering small load?

Cheers!
Ok, why then other use needed cores and not get selfrunning? Kodėl tada kiti naudoja reikiamas šerdis ir vistiek negauna, kad save maitintų generatorius? Matyt, todėl, kad čia ne šerdis yra esmė. O energija gali būti gaunama iš supančios aplinkos, yra šaldoma aplinka ir gaunama energija, bet šaldama ne įprastu šalčiu, o kitu būdu. :D
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hope on April 16, 2014, 09:56:02 PM
I agree that the tuning of this device and all using this principle is a manipulation of the bloch wall.  Nice to see it so clearly in Wesley's translation.  By using this principle a small deviation of the wall magnifies the overall electrical energy.  In essence this is showing proof that energy is not dependent on electron movement, it is magnetics movement that matters.


Alignment of fields allows one movement of bloch wall to directly  magnify in effect of the electrical energy (Excite).  Not what we are taught about electrical energy in science back at DeVry.   This is knowledge that is finally correct and this we can surely build on. 


Feedback that enhances the movement of the bloch wall will cause runaway energy to build (self run and beyond).

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hope on April 16, 2014, 10:01:35 PM
Reminds me of using leverage to gain mechanical advantage.  Looks like all matter micro and macro works the same.  Magnetics is where the magic happens.  It turns out that it is science and not magic after all.  Just science not understood fully or applied correctly until we learn how.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 16, 2014, 10:46:52 PM
  quote from T-1000:
   I disagree, the core materials used are most important if we are talking about NMR effect there. Otherwise what makes additional source of energy there for self run and powering small load?
                                                                                                                      end quote.

   IF we are NOT talking about NMR, but of an additional natural and safe energy effect caused by the Aether, some of you may be looking in the wrong place.  Unless you like poisonous mostly unnatural man made sources due to nuclear decay to play around with, and to have around you and your families at all times.
   To create energy from the nuclear decay and dissolution of matter,  is not the only way to go towards our goal of free energy devices.  Nor will these types of devices possibly ever be legal, safe, nor allowed.

   Tesla mentioned that All nuclear or radioactive forces or effects are caused by external sources to the corporal materials used. And that it is this illusive Aether that is where all energy comes from. If there was no Aether, nor the everywhere existent Vortex force, there would be nothing holding any atomic substances from dissolution back to the source where they came from.
  Believe it not, that is your choice.  But, the Earths magnetic resonant devices are enough for me to work on and develop. When I hear talk about NMR, well, it sort of makes me sick, sorry. And to bend Kapanadzes explanation and working ideas, as well as Akulas and other inventors thoughts of their devices to fit this end, also makes me wonder, why anyone would want to go that route.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 16, 2014, 11:51:59 PM
Hi All,

This is a very interesting thread. I have been doing some work on this for sometime now.

It seems to me that many are missing the whole point here. Everyone is spending time on a Circuit that no one really knows the actual operational Characteristics of!!!

The FET that pulls down the VE- side of L1 can only have Frequency and Duty Cycle adjustments which can be done with any circuit and any chip that one desires to choose (wisely of course)

Please guys, for your own sakes, concentrate on the coils and get them right! The magic is not in the circuit, its in the efficient running of the coils when they are configured correctly.

1: Coils must be 2 separate distinct coils as was shown in the original Schematic.
2: Coils must be Wired and orientated to Buck - Cancel the Magnetic Field but Electric Field does Add. Just like Floyd Sweet said!
3: I suggest low Duty Cycle, 8% or so, at low frequency (20 - 100 Hz) just to test initially.
4: Start with low voltage on the input, slowly turn it up.

Once you're there you will see what I mean.

You will get:

1: Two Output pulses for one Input pulse.
2: Output is NOT affected by Input, Lenz's Law doesn't apply from input to output! (May need a little fine tuning to get best result)
3: A small amount of Energy is needed to keep this effect going, Power input is very small.

With some changes, to this setup it can be made to run much more efficient and the output pulses can be, shall we say, more resonant!

I have been showing these effects for years but it seems there is no one replicating these experiments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM)

Have fun guys and remember, little steps for little feet! Also, don't change anything, if you 'IMPROVE' it without understanding it, it wont work!

All the best

   Chris

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on April 17, 2014, 12:57:43 AM
  IF we are NOT talking about NMR, but of an additional natural and safe energy effect caused by the Aether, some of you may be looking in the wrong place.  Unless you like poisonous mostly unnatural man made sources due to nuclear decay to play around with, and to have around you and your families at all times.
   To create energy from the nuclear decay and dissolution of matter,  is not the only way to go towards our goal of free energy devices.  Nor will these types of devices possibly ever be legal, safe, nor allowed.

   Tesla mentioned that All nuclear or radioactive forces or effects are caused by external sources to the corporal materials used. And that it is this illusive Aether that is where all energy comes from. If there was no Aether, nor the everywhere existent Vortex force, there would be nothing holding any atomic substances from dissolution back to the source where they came from.
  Believe it not, that is your choice.  But, the Earths magnetic resonant devices are enough for me to work on and develop. When I hear talk about NMR, well, it sort of makes me sick, sorry. And to bend Kapanadzes explanation and working ideas, as well as Akulas and other inventors thoughts of their devices to fit this end, also makes me wonder, why anyone would want to go that route.

I partially agree with you, i am also not that happy with the nuclear decay thing, primarily for the reason it could mean the device will stop working after some short time and thus rendering it only a toy.
Also some here are little like real beta decay feticists  ;) ;D , everything always has to be beta decay principle or it cannot work in their world. This possibly keeps them from seeing other ways to "harvest" free energy.

I never heard Tesla, Don Smith, Bedini, Sweet and many others talking of nuclear decay as a source of energy for their devices. Of course maybe they misinterpreted them or didnt tell the whole truth, who knows.

But there are indeed other forms of energy around us that we can tap into, like cosmic particles/radiation, EM waves and -fields, heat differences,etc. and perhaps in fact the so called Zero point energy or Aether vortexes/vibrations or whatever someone likes to call it.

Im not saying here, that in semenihin device there is not beta decay happening, just we cannot be sure until we crawl in the ferrite nuclei of a running machine and see it happen live :)


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on April 17, 2014, 05:37:14 AM
Re the Akula trafo speculation:
Something to put into your mental suspense account.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x46bAPO24I


(It's a short vid).
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 17, 2014, 06:54:45 AM
Hi All,

Re the NMR Ideas, Maybe. There may be a Quantum component to this but not sure I would say NMR even though I did investigate this. I personally think its 99% Magnetic in Nature, which is directly related to the Quantum in my opinion.

I Posted my first post here: http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250) Here I have shown the Coils as I have them working. There are a few Characteristics that once you see them you will know you have something very special. I detail some of the Characteristics in the above post.

In my opinion, the best way to describe this 'MAGICAL' effect is in the paper by Paul Raymond Jensen: http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device) is where I have published the copied paper.

The quote: "An alternate explanation for the current gain in the UDT is to consider each secondary winding as acting as the primary winding for the other secondary winding when an output current is drawn because the two secondary windings generate geometrically opposing fields." is in my opinion the best description of what is going on from what I have seen.

If you take 1 hour out of your day and replicate what I have shown then you will likely also find the Paul Raymond Jensen paper just as important as I have.

See here: http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250)

All the best

  Chris

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 01:43:41 AM
Re the Akula trafo speculation:
Something to put into your mental suspense account.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x46bAPO24I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x46bAPO24I)


(It's a short vid).

A.king21:

I watched the clip.  I am not sure what you mean by "mental suspense."  Are you implying that something unusual is happening in that clip?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 18, 2014, 04:26:49 AM
   EMjunky.
   Since you as a newbie here think that we are all missing the WHOLE POINT... Why not show us how wrong we are by demonstrating YOUR self running device?   A self runner, disconnected and separate from any external power source.  That is what is being discussed here.
 

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 18, 2014, 08:32:36 AM
   EMjunky.
   Since you as a newbie here think that we are all missing the WHOLE POINT... Why not show us how wrong we are by demonstrating YOUR self running device?   A self runner, disconnected and separate from any external power source.  That is what is being discussed here.


I guess that means NickZ is out?

Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 18, 2014, 12:58:13 PM
Hi All,

Re the NMR Ideas, Maybe. There may be a Quantum component to this but not sure I would say NMR even though I did investigate this. I personally think its 99% Magnetic in Nature, which is directly related to the Quantum in my opinion.

I Posted my first post here: http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250) Here I have shown the Coils as I have them working. There are a few Characteristics that once you see them you will know you have something very special. I detail some of the Characteristics in the above post.

In my opinion, the best way to describe this 'MAGICAL' effect is in the paper by Paul Raymond Jensen: http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device) is where I have published the copied paper.

The quote: "An alternate explanation for the current gain in the UDT is to consider each secondary winding as acting as the primary winding for the other secondary winding when an output current is drawn because the two secondary windings generate geometrically opposing fields." is in my opinion the best description of what is going on from what I have seen.

If you take 1 hour out of your day and replicate what I have shown then you will likely also find the Paul Raymond Jensen paper just as important as I have.

See here: http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250)

All the best

  Chris
Hey Chris welcome to the forum
Your site is very interesting and have been watching your work for awhile.
Are you willing to share your circuit, I agree its in the coil arrangement but the pulsing circuit is important as well.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 18, 2014, 01:03:33 PM
I made a small change to the gif
Added the pos and neg polarity's to the coils
http://makeagif.com/i/ySzksZ

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 18, 2014, 01:06:51 PM
Hi All,

I found the following video today. It worth a look.

Vadik Guk - Video 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ)

Looks fairly simple to try! I may try this also!

All the best

  Chris

P.S: @Dave45, thanks, if what I have learned can help others then more than happy to share. Of course it is, Frequency and Duty Cycle can make a huge difference on the effects of the Coils! I agree. I am only human and do make mistakes! What I have seen is only from experience. Its a very interesting effect and needs more work on it to either explain it and use it or so it can be put by the way side and discarded as not of use.

I don't normally use forums, too many trolls, Government paid or unpaid. Hahaha

If I can help then I do want to share my 2 cents worth.

The Coils are the Key and the above video if its not a hoax, is a pearl!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 18, 2014, 01:19:37 PM
Too much power and a coil turns into a transmitter, a simple flashlight proves this, resonance, coil arrangement, and just the right amount of power.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 18, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
Hi All,

I think Vadik Guk is the real deal.

Videos:

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8OlH4kkKM&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ)
2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwm_W5-qAM&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ)
3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWjs0-WCMzs)
4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ)


Video 4 being the most important video of all. The other three videos do show a working device that would be very hard to fake. This appears to be the Distributed Capacitance effects that have shown promise in the past.

The description of the coil layout From the outside to inside as I see it:

1: Insulation.

2: Coil the length of the bobbin, maybe 0.8mm wire maybe 40 turns, one end connected to the board the other end not connected to anything.

3: Insulation.

4: Solid Copper Shield, second leg was connected to the board, soldered onto the end of the Solid Copper Shield. Not shorted.

5: Coil the length of the bobbin, maybe 200 turns 0.45 or so wire. Outer end not connected to anything, Inside end soldered to another Solid Copper Shield on the inside of the Bobbin.

6: Solid Copper Shield, not shorted.

Where:
Solid Copper Shield - Could be viewed as a Capacitor Plate. Capacitor Plate's don't appear to overlap. Very close gap, maybe 4mm from the ends on the inside plate.

All the best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 18, 2014, 02:15:27 PM
Hi,

There is new video from akula (obviously it was attempted to delete very quickly, so no original link) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogMcs6iBJwY

The control circuit in the left is creating main transformer driving frequency and resonant frequency to the secondary primary.
The box in the right is impulse power supply (unless it was modified).

To me it is almost same what we did in Lithuanian Yoke experiment, just we did not self loop on the time.

Good luck!

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: From other Planet on April 18, 2014, 04:21:01 PM
Thanks for videolink, indeed very interesting.
question to the russian speaking guys: Did akula ever say (in this video or other), if his devices are consuming their ferrite cores or coil materials?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 18, 2014, 05:50:24 PM
Thanks for videolink, indeed very interesting.
question to the russian speaking guys: Did akula ever say (in this video or other), if his devices are consuming their ferrite cores or coil materials?

He does not talk about core as fuel but he does talk about ferroresonance - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroresonance_in_electricity_networks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroresonance_in_electricity_networks)
And methods he use are used in NMR. Just conventional science does use brutal approach instead which consumes kilowatts for getting watts..
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 18, 2014, 05:51:59 PM
   From Other Planet:
   Akula mentioned in his first device video, which was translated by Wesley, that the "Earth Magnetic Resonance" is the factor involved with his circuit, that is where the energy is coming from. Both Kapanadze as well as Akula have mentioned this, as well as several of the other somewhat similar working circuits made by others, mostly Russians. Their ideas are derived from Tesla, not quantum physics, nor from the breakdown of matter to produce energy.
   There are several in the NMR group, that don't believe that energy can come from the Aether, and think that the Aether does not exist. So, they look for what they can see, touch, or measure, instead. Or feel that it's easier to produce energy from the nuclear break down of matter, instead. 
I'm not one of them... 
  I don't care where we obtain energy from, unless it is from a possibly very dangerous radioactive decay process.
In any case. there is no actual reproducible proof (by us),  to show for it, one way or the other.
Both systems may work.

   T-1000:   If the old yoke circuit was working so well, then why has everyone abandoned it, have not further developed it, have not shown it lighting the 1000 watts of bulbs that it was supposed to light, or further made it into a self runner.  Is everyone still afraid?  Maybe they should be.  But, I'm still working with the Mazilli/yoke circuit, and have not suffered from anything, at least not after several months of being next to it while testing and working to develop it.
 
  Just think about this: All current generators work by moving magnet by coils. But, the energy they produced is not coming from the magnets, nor from the coils. 

 
 
   
 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 18, 2014, 06:09:37 PM
   T-1000:   If the old yoke circuit was working so well, then why has everyone abandoned it, have not further developed it, have not shown it lighting the 1000 watts of bulbs that it was supposed to light, or further made it into a self runner.  Is everyone still afraid?  Maybe they should be.  But, I'm still working with the Mazilli/yoke circuit, and have not suffered from anything, at least not after several months of being next to it while testing and working to to develop it. 

For simple reason - hard to replicate effect. First - the core material, second - getting right same results on resonant oscillation and third - lack of understanding what needs to be achieved mostly...

For LED flash light it is way much simplified down to the level where core does not burn out in few hours and there are no strong bad emissions of neutron decay and so on. But, there is still lots of work involved for getting it right. For a proof of concept this case fits best so you can convince hardcore sceptics and some day - reach to the level where oil can be replaced with heavy metals what are non-radioactive in nature and are in radioactive state only when being struck by EM radiation and oscillating magnetic fields. So it is green fuel in other words which does not hurt planet that much and stays as middle level in transition to other energy sources research...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 18, 2014, 06:38:21 PM
   T-1000:
   Thanks for your reply.  So, the yoke project has not been reproducible,  ok. 
Right, no one has been able to reproduce it, although several have tried.
   So, the old yoke used has broken down after a short testing period. Well it would be good to see that, as well. Just how it broke down...  My yokes are still just as they always were, still producing and lighting at least 660 watt worth of bulbs. Yes, partially lighting the bulbs using only 12v, higher voltages and more current would provide from more output.
  Makes me wonder though, why Akula would not continue with the improvement of the higher wattage devices, and goes to small output ones instead. Good thing that Kapanadze has not downgrade his devices as Akula has.

  EMJunkey:  No I'm not out, never will be out.  This is my lifetime ongoing work, and I'm still learning by hands on replications.   Still waiting for YOU to show us how wrong we all are, with reproducible proof.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: John.K1 on April 18, 2014, 08:28:44 PM
Hi guys.

I watch Akula for a while and also messing with his yoke. I speak Russian a little bit and I do remember he was talking about importance of the rising time  of the nuclear resonance in the copper. His coil was tuned such a way that rising time of the signal in the coil corresponded to he rising time of Nuclear resonance?  He has said if you do not get it that way you will not succeed.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on April 18, 2014, 08:30:55 PM
Dear All.

I must apologise for my lack of input here over the last week or so. And welcome all the newcomers who have recently posted some very interesting material.   :)

I have finally managed to get the board that was kindly provided by Groundloop, populated.

Since then a number of minor mod's have been made and I can now share a couple of videos of the small problems that have been encountered so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfQlOhOocso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfRb80SYAI8

I have mainly been involved with the thread I started over at OUR.   http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg36611#msg36611

You are very welcome to visit.   :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 18, 2014, 11:15:04 PM
  Johnk1:
   Yes, you are correct.  That was discussed in Akula's later videos.
   But, the circuit that I refer to is Akulu's first one, where he mentioned what Wesley translated as the "secret".
 As being or meaning Earth magnetic resonance, at about minute 8:30, or so. Then Akula later switched to another source theme entirely in his later videos. His may have been the result of some advice from elsewhere. Though he showed no proof of any core decay or copper decay caused by NMR.
  As I understand it, the circuit has to be tuned into the Earths magnetic resonant frequency, for any extra energy to work in his device. Of course this could be wrong, and it may be that every circuit will be a little different, and will resonate with the Earth frequency at a different frequency yet, to achieve this higher output. In any case it is no small detail to be overlooked.

  T-1000: Akula's first circuit is not much more complicated than what Grum is currently working on now, though the coils are much larger and output is much higher on the first video.

  Grum:  Thanks for the videos,  sorry I can't be of any help with this one.  Good luck with it though.
   I will gladly build that circuit also, once someone can replicate it and gets it working right.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Ed morbus on April 18, 2014, 11:29:51 PM
Akula0083 Schematics and coils

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeuE6Y_jxY
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Ed morbus on April 18, 2014, 11:38:44 PM
Replication

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zilk7itV6k
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: John.K1 on April 18, 2014, 11:53:38 PM
NickZ

About that tuning to he earth magnetic field resonance - That's sounds more like an SM's  TPU.  What is the resonant frequency of the earth's magnetic field?  Or, are we talking about Schuman's resonance frequency? - in any case, there is quite wide spread of frequencies from couple Hertz up to dozens of kilo Hertz. Exremally important is here the modulation and de-modulation of the signal. But i think it is a little bit different story for different threat ;)

Back to the -Akula's fonar (torche) - Somebody here has said that the most important are coils. I would say most important is the oscillator. You can tune any coil to its sweet spot. But if your oscillator has not sharp rise and end characteristic, you will get nothing, even with the best coil you have ever made  :)

Well, we have good oscillator and we can get some nice spikes on our coil and what else? How we gonna permit that energy for next loop?  Capacitor?  You can charge your capacitor with high voltage peak from your coil.  I have done this test many times. One two short low voltage impulses and you have couple hundreds in your cup which blink 220V bulb.  I was thinking to make a generator based on that principle, but because the caps they have quite slow characteristic of discharge time I would need something like 25-30 cups properly timed- possibly programmed Arduino UNO.  For lighting just couple LEDs,  two cups could be enough I guess? -  jut my flow of thoughts ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 19, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
  Ed:
   Thanks for the links to the replication.  I had just watched that video, just before you posted the link. I don't understand much of it, but I can see that he does disconnect the battery, and the circuit continues to light the led. Great.
Good to see that.

  John: Not only SM mentioned it but Tesla discovered it, and Kapanadze, Akula, Dr. Stiffler, have possibly made use of it, and others as well.  I don't know if the Schumann resonant frequency is the same as what WE are looking to tie into, or not. That is what needs to be looked into.

  Dr. Stiffler mentions a frequency that he would tune to, but it was not the same as Schuman frequency. But, it was a frequency that would produce the highest peaks on the scope. All his three coils were then tune to that particular frequency. Somewhat similar to what Akula was showing in some of his videos.
 In any case the idea is to tie into an already existing Earth magnetic field vibrational frequency to resonate the circuit with. This can vary with the particular device, as well as the conditions that produce that field. It may not be a fixed steady vibration, as it can vary with atmospheric conditions. 
   Otherwise the conventional electronic laws will prevail,  as most have found.
  In my set up even the slightest frequency adjustment can cause the circuit to lose resonance. A proper feed back path is what I'm currently working on now, which to me is the most important aspect.

   One link on the subject:
   http://www.earthbreathing.co.uk/sr.htm

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 19, 2014, 01:27:31 AM
Gentlemen:

What are you talking about when you talk about the Earth's magnetic resonance and it's magnetic resonance frequency?  I would like some details please.  What's resonating?  As I write this I am not aware of it and I have never heard anything about it except for reference to it on the forums.

So can one of you tell me exactly what you are talking about?

I just realized that NickZ linked to a UK web site that makes reference to the Schumann resonant cavity and possibly some other resonant frequency for the Earth.

Here is where I am asking you guys to think about this.  For starters, forget about the Schumann resonant cavity.  It is just a passive resonant cavity that envelops the Earth that will not affect any electronic circuits at all.  References to the Schumann resonant cavity doing something to people or circuits are junk pseudoscience.

Let's put the Schumann resonant cavity aside and discuss any other possible resonance associated with the Earth.  The next time you have occasion to discuss the "Earth's resonant frequency" with someone that is pushing this concept ask them what they really mean.  Ask them what the resonant frequency is.  More importantly, ask them exactly what is is resonating.  Resonance needs two energy storage mechanisms and the energy is transferred back and forth between these two energy storage mechanisms.  Ask them what each energy storage mechanism is and how the energy transfers back and forth.

With regards to the Earth's magnetic field.  It is DC and it does not resonate.  I have to assume that most of you are fully aware of that.  So how can you even discuss the "Earth's magnetic resonance?"

It's important to exercise your critical thinking skills and to ask people for details.  If someone makes a big claim about some effect that ties into the "Earth's magnetic resonance" then I urge you to ask them the questions I mention above.  It's about making the world a more honest and a better place.  We can't let ourselves drown in fake BS.  It's up to all of us to try to keep it real.  I hope that you understand where I am coming from.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 19, 2014, 02:23:52 AM
   MileHigh:
   What is suppose to resonate with this natural magnetic field is the tuned circuit and it's coils. As the field itself is not resonating, but the device resonates to this field. Like two resonating tuned coils, or tuning forks.
   Or maybe you have a better explanation of where the energy is coming from that will produce a self running device? And also where the energy is coming from when a magnet is passed by a coils....  As current science theory does not explain it, at least not to my satisfaction. Nor has our best conventional scientists discovered how to produce a self running device, nor do they believe that such a device can even exist.
   Have you heard or read about Tesla and his ideas about surrounding ambient fields, and our ability to tap and harvest this resource. Do you think that I'm making all this all up...  Sounds like it...
 I'm not trying to convince anyone, just working towards this end.   The proof is in the pudding,  which can take some time to bake.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 19, 2014, 02:27:22 AM
Hi All,

I have drawn a circuit of the Coil Deconstruction of the Vadik Guk Self Running Flash Light. Let me know if anyone else spots anything I have missed.

Video URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk&list=UU3TN2P5gnS3l3mm-Qf53eqQ)

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 19, 2014, 02:53:17 AM
Replication

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zilk7itV6k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zilk7itV6k)

It's nice to see that the pot-core-ferrite copper-foil taped thing isn't necessary. So nobody can blame their lack of success on not having one of those silly things to mess with! The PCB with the big copper area groundplanes isn't needed either, I guess.

But colored clipleads.... every working electrical free energy device apparently needs those colored clipleads. I hate those things. I've seen Chinese ones where they didn't even strip the wire before crimping the alligator clips onto, and maybe through, the insulation. Others look nice and hefty but you find it's almost all insulation, just a tiny strand of faux-copper wire in there to make you think you have a connection.


I still think it's a fancy Joule Thief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu3neYByYp0
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 19, 2014, 03:02:14 AM
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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 19, 2014, 03:16:35 AM
I have drawn a circuit of the Coil Deconstruction of the Vadik Guk Self Running Flash Light. Let me know if anyone else spots anything I have missed.
More detailed analysis about construction of the transformer gutted in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk) can be read in this thread (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg398097/#msg398097).
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 19, 2014, 03:29:37 AM
Akula0083 Schematics and coils
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeuE6Y_jxY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeuE6Y_jxY)
There are several Akula's 30W perpetual flashlight schematic diagrams in circulation:
Diagram v1.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12307)
Diagram v2.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12686)
Diagram v2.1 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12797)
Diagram v2.2 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/136959/)
Diagram v3.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2358.0;attach=12688)

The Diagram v1.0 does not match the functionally of other diagrams because in v1.0 the pulses to the the MOSFET's gate are inverted and because of this the duty cycle can vary only between 53% and 100% while the TL494 feedback loop is positive.

In all other versions gate pulses are not inverted and the duty cycle can vary between 0% and 47% while the TL494 feedback loop is negative.

Replication
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zilk7itV6k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zilk7itV6k)
That replication was done according to diagram v2.0

v2.0 is functionally and electronically equivalent to v2.1 and v2.2  (the differences between them are only graphical).
v2.0 is also functionally equivalent to v3.0 (but not electronically).
v2.0 is functionally and electronically different from v1.0
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: John.K1 on April 19, 2014, 10:22:19 AM
Hi MileHigh

I partially agree with you in the matter of involvement of Shumann's resonance in this project. This project is not a case - I think. On other hand, I wouldn't call the things of natural resonance (orgone, Schumann etc...)  " junkie pseudoscience"  There is many of serious inventors and scientists signed under this.

You think about that cavity as about a resonance cup. Could you accept the fact it is actually a shielding? You know- if you connect your coil to scope you can see nice 50-60 Hz. That could be kind of annoying in our low power circuit.  What you think?  No hash or modulation to your pure signal.  Do not kill me - just a though   ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 19, 2014, 11:14:14 AM
Hi,

Here is higher quality video from akula - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8vC0UL-XY
There he showed PCB connnections and some measurements as well.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: John.K1 on April 19, 2014, 12:11:56 PM
Guys, here is new Akula's comment on the device with the ferrite cup
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUW-3yXQIWQ&list=FLPKuZ5HpxDHgqdk-z1JjKCg

He shows that the coil is self resonating around 290khz with 10V on the scope.  He also recoments to use simple transistor multi-vibrator instead of k56... oscilator
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 19, 2014, 12:15:55 PM
There he showed PCB connnections and some measurements as well.
But he did not show what's inside the commercial AC/DC-DC converter.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 19, 2014, 04:43:29 PM
   MileHigh:
   What is suppose to resonate with this natural magnetic field is the tuned circuit and it's coils. As the field itself is not resonating, but the device resonates to this field. Like two resonating tuned coils, or tuning forks.
   Or maybe you have a better explanation of where the energy is coming from that will produce a self running device? And also where the energy is coming from when a magnet is passed by a coils....  As current science theory does not explain it, at least not to my satisfaction. Nor has our best conventional scientists discovered how to produce a self running device, nor do they believe that such a device can even exist.
   Have you heard or read about Tesla and his ideas about surrounding ambient fields, and our ability to tap and harvest this resource. Do you think that I'm making all this all up...  Sounds like it...
 I'm not trying to convince anyone, just working towards this end.   The proof is in the pudding,  which can take some time to bake.
Nick you still playing with the mazzilli
Havent tried this yet but may give you some idea's
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 19, 2014, 06:21:23 PM
   Dave45:
   Yes, I'm still playing with the Mazilli/yoke circuit.  Want to play?
   In order to build the circuit that you posted, one would need to know what all the components, cores, and coil winding, are, which are not being shown.  It does look interesting though.
   Is there a working device that is representative of that build?
   I have been trying something similar, but I don't have all the needed components, nor can I located them here, either.
   Even Igor Moroz has not been able to obtain a self running crt, even with all those expensive caps, and all.
  Not easy, but I'm not giving up. My set up is working well with solar panels/12v, LAB, although I don't have enough panels, yet.  Any help and advice is always welcome.  Thanks Dave.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 19, 2014, 06:37:05 PM
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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: John.K1 on April 19, 2014, 07:19:15 PM
Hi Guys.

Just an idea. Everything starts from some basic principle. There is no magic in this device, it is not a matter of "pseudo science" as MileHigh calls some unorthodox sources of energy and I do not think it is based on NMR either.
So what we deal here with  is the -self resonant circuit - one coil. This circuit has to be fed somehow, so why not to use the cap, charge it with high spike from our resonant coil and by using a triger  coil to go through the oscillator back to our resonant circuit. From the Akula's video -he didn't solve the oscillator, he just used the bench one. His imput was just couple Hz. His resonant circuit was couple kHz. I do not say it is right way to go. But what if? Most of you here has much bigger experience than me (in fact i do have very little :)  ) but maybe u r overlooking the simplicity? ;)
On my picture below is the basic circuit for charging cap with one fast click by Switch. In reality I use a mosfet. Now, can we ad  other capacitor to the coil to make it tank circuit? Next to ad one more trigger coil and add one transistor oscillator to kick in right time our tank circuit and discharge our cap so no need battery after it starts? As I say , with 12V battery I make with couple uSec  impulses over 300V and more in my cap and strongly blink 220V bulb. I believe it is possible to scale it to some small voltage too and it would work even much faster.  Anyway, thank you for your comments and your overview.

 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 20, 2014, 12:36:53 AM
  Not easy, but I'm not giving up. My set up is working well with solar panels/12v, LAB, although I don't have enough panels, yet.  Any help and advice is always welcome.  Thanks Dave.

Good :)

Here are some thoughts about 2 Mazilli drivers:
You can try to make transformer with two primaries and one secondary. Then connect load to the secondary and run one primary of transformer's resonant frequency then the second primary in 1/4 of that frequency in opposite direction on second primary. Then observe clashing frequencies on secondary coil which should cover both primaries then reach second half of gapped core to the middle of second half(GeoFusion way for flyback+choke effect). Maybe you can find a ferrite core which will give response on clashing frequencies (and resulting standing wave which will turn magnetic domains 90 degrees to Z axis). And while doing that you will have Lenz-less induction on secondary... ;)
The resonant part should be running on minimal power consumption before connecting second primary and after this it should not increase power consumption too much.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 20, 2014, 05:01:51 AM
More detailed analysis about construction of the transformer gutted in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYEuV-ji4tk) can be read in this thread (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg398097/#msg398097).

Thanks Verpies,

Have read and mulled over the info.

The first post is very good: #msg397848 (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg397848/#msg397848) Nice work from 4Tesla.

One very good diagram here: #msg398173 (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg398173/#msg398173) This is of course Verpies post.

Also looks like the Circuit here: #msg398455 (http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg398455/#msg398455)

Some good work there Verpies and 4Tesla!

NOTE: To be honest, this configuration does not comply with all other known configurations. EG: 5 output terminals, one copper shield and other things. Akula's Diagram is also quite different from this configuration. Its un-usual to say the least. See here for more information on what I mean: Power Generator in the Nonlinear Inductance (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Power%20Generator%20in%20the%20Nonlinear%20Inductance)

If this work is based on Andrey Melnichenko (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M) as some said earlier on in the Russian Forums, then the original schematics, 2 or 3 Coil with one Copper Shield is what one would expect to see.

Cheers

  Chris

P.S: Happy Easter all!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on April 20, 2014, 08:08:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHMKiajMZrM


Food for thought.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 20, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
   T-1000:  I've answered you on the Dally thread, please check it.
   I will continue discussion of any different types of circuits on the Dally thread. Before I'm asked to leave this thread, as well.  As it looks like there are several people working hard to achieve the 30watt Akula crt. My hats off to those guys...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: John.K1 on April 20, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
NickZ

First: I do not think it is out of this topic but I am not gonna argue with you.
Second :  I build many interesting stuff and lighting halogen bulb 220V 120w from 24V @ 0.5A at its 40% of its brightness from ONE single coil. So your design doesn't impress me.
Third: I am busy by building SM's TPU's and that's what I do focus on right now.

Happy Ester to all.
I am outa here.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: NickZ on April 20, 2014, 09:33:16 PM
  JohnK1:
  Sorry to offend you. Although I was being honest,  I have just retracted by previous reply.
I'm not trying to impress anybody. 
                 Carry on,
                                  NickZ
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Ed morbus on April 20, 2014, 11:05:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 20, 2014, 11:21:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc)

I gave up on this thread already.  This new 18-minute clip shows a "magic" self-powering setup, yet again.

For starters, that looks like a 5-volt DC power supply.  What the hell is the DC output of a power supply doing driving the primary of a transformer?  If I am correct and we are looking at a small AC-in-DC-out switching power supply, that makes no sense.

Somewhere in the second half of the clip he measures the input to the switching power supply in "self-run" mode.  If I recall correctly he measures something like 5.6 volts DC.  The power supply has an input requirement of something like 96 to 250 volts AC.  It doesn't make any sense.

Finally, I attached a frame from the clip.  He has broken the seal on on the power supply.  That would tend to indicate that he opened it up for some reason.  One can only wonder why.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 20, 2014, 11:58:24 PM
I gave up on this thread already.  This new 18-minute clip shows a "magic" self-powering setup, yet again.

For starters, that looks like a 5-volt DC power supply.  What the hell is the DC output of a power supply doing driving the primary of a transformer?  If I am correct and we are looking at a small AC-in-DC-out switching power supply that makes no sense.

Somewhere in the second half of the clip he measures the input to the switching power supply in "self-run" mode.  If I recall correctly he measures something like 5.6 volts DC.  The power supply has an input requirement of something like 96 to 250 volts AC.  It doesn't make any sense.

Finally, I attached a frame from the clip.  He has broken the seal on on the power supply.  That would tend to indicate that he opened it up for some reason.  One can only wonder why.

MileHigh
Are you saying this video is a fake? Just because it violates Conservation of Miracles?

Hey, at least he's not using one of those silly pot core ferrite things.

Maybe the DC output of the power supply is just used to bias the core, and the input power to the supply is pulsed. Or something. Right.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 12:08:18 AM
Indeed!  TK....

Meanwhile.... Google "refuses" to cough up anything on a "Mean Well AS-25-5."

Google tries to force you to look at the "Mean Well RS-25-5."   (see attached)

What that normally means is that the AS-25-5 is identical to the RS-25-5.   The AS-25-5 is just an "OEM" version of the RS-25-5.  The reason for this is to prevent someone from buying the cheaper RS-25-5 when that part fails in their printer (as an example.)  The printer manufacturer wants to force you to buy the "authorized" part from them only at a much higher price.

That's another story from the Naked Electronics City....

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: AlienGrey on April 21, 2014, 02:38:48 AM
I can see nothing wrong, look at the video again, give the man a chance as you must of been distracted.
While I'm on, has any one managed to get the ever lasting torch to work, i had a look at it on some Vero card and find it almost impossible to tune the cap on pin three with the coil for resonance as the chip tries to chop the cycle and the 4069 and transistor just make the wave form jitter, with no over unity even with the copper tape between the windings. On one of the vid's the PCB has no 4069 at all but the builder does not show the top pane of the PCB to the viewer. I cant get any of the options to work.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 21, 2014, 03:12:19 AM
Meanwhile.... Google "refuses" to cough up anything on a "Mean Well AS-25-5."

Hey MileHigh,

EBay my be a good resource for this Power Supply: Mean Well AS-25-5 (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XMean+Well+AS-25-5&_nkw=Mean+Well+AS-25-5&_sacat=0&_from=R40)

Hope this helps!

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: bolt on April 21, 2014, 04:11:50 AM
The OUTPUT of the ferrrite cores transformer feeds into the mains INPUT of the PSU. Thus the voltage has to be at least 100v AC although the frequency could be hundreds of Hz..   Use of the PSU offers a very wide range of input voltage from 90 VAC to 280VAC  and system stabilty as well as some power factor correction.

The 5v OUTPUT of the PSU are  the black wires feeding the vero PCB which in essence is only a switching boost converter.

Makes sense to me:)  Its a simply looped device.  The excess energy can only come from the ferrite conversion which has a COP of at least 3 to cover the system losses and SMPSU typically 88%.. 

BTW its ONLY the typology of the system which is important and NOT the PSU part numbers!! Any PSU could be looped including old ATX PC power  supplies.  The "magic" is only in the  ferrite coil construction and coil winding detail.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: tysb3 on April 21, 2014, 04:14:11 AM
Hi,
somebody know which type of diods is on mains enter  on the RS-25-5 ?
they are low frequncy ? how they can keep HF from generator?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 04:47:34 AM
The OUTPUT of the ferrrite cores transformer feeds into the mains INPUT of the PSU. Thus the voltage has to be at least 100v AC although the frequency could be hundreds of Hz..   Use of the PSU offers a very wide range of input voltage from 90 VAC to 280VAC  and system stabilty as well as some power factor correction.

The 5v OUTPUT of the PSU are  the black wires feeding the vero PCB which in essence is only a switching boost converter.

Makes sense to me:)  Its a simply looped device.  The excess energy can only come from the ferrite conversion which has a COP of at least 3 to cover the system losses and SMPSU typically 88%.. 

BTW its ONLY the typology of the system which is important and NOT the PSU part numbers!! Any PSU could be looped including old ATX PC power  supplies.

Bolt,

You are absolutely correct about the AC input and DC output connections for the power supply.  I let my mind trick myself for two reasons, 1) I am so used to seeing black wire used as a mains power wire, and 2) I associated the switch with a mains power on/off switch to the power supply because you can see that the power supply does not have an on/off switch and that's what you would "normally" do for a power supply like that.   So my comments about the DC output of the power supply going into the transformer and related comments are wrong and I retract them.

But the rest of your comments are pure fantasy.  You cannot loop because there is no COP 3 from the "ferrite conversion."  Have you ever measured the in and out energy for a transformer ferrite?  I have and it's under unity I assure you.  I don't know why you would even believe that.  Just do the bench tests on the pulse and AC characteristics of any transformer and find out for yourself.

The seal on the power supply is broken.  That's one of many possible explanations for this clip.  He was too lazy to even try to peel off the label very carefully with an xacto knife blade and then put it back.  You can buy a battery in just about any cylindrical shape and size that you want and put it inside the power supply.   A switching power supply doesn't have particularly large caps, but you could do a very professional job if you wanted to.

Does he measure the AC voltage across the white wires in the clip?  I am not sure I only watched 2/3 of the clip.  But even that could be easily faked if you wanted to.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on April 21, 2014, 05:21:34 AM
The OUTPUT of the ferrrite cores transformer feeds into the mains INPUT of the PSU. Thus the voltage has to be at least 100v AC although the frequency could be hundreds of Hz..   Use of the PSU offers a very wide range of input voltage from 90 VAC to 280VAC  and system stabilty as well as some power factor correction.

The 5v OUTPUT of the PSU are  the black wires feeding the vero PCB which in essence is only a switching boost converter.

Makes sense to me:)  Its a simply looped device.  The excess energy can only come from the ferrite conversion which has a COP of at least 3 to cover the system losses and SMPSU typically 88%.. 

BTW its ONLY the typology of the system which is important and NOT the PSU part numbers!! Any PSU could be looped including old ATX PC power  supplies.  The "magic" is only in the  ferrite coil construction and coil winding detail.


Where is the scientific proof that ferrite conversion has a cop of 3?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 08:01:56 AM
Quote
The OUTPUT of the ferrrite cores transformer feeds into the mains INPUT of the PSU. Thus the voltage has to be at least 100v AC although the frequency could be hundreds of Hz..   Use of the PSU offers a very wide range of input voltage from 90 VAC to 280VAC  and system stabilty as well as some power factor correction.
The 5v OUTPUT of the PSU are  the black wires feeding the vero PCB which in essence is only a switching boost converter.

What are you talking about? The PINOUT of the power supply is given in the Data Sheet that MH found, and the colors of the wires are perfectly clear in the video.

The BLACK wires are connected to the MAINS INPUT of the power supply. The WHITE WIRES are connected to the DC OUTPUT of the power supply.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 08:16:02 AM
Here's the Data Sheet for another branded 'AS25-5' PSU. Note that the thing is a mirror image of what is shown in the video. The pinout, though, is standard, if reversed: The MAINS input terminals are close to the edge of the case and the DC output terminals are nearer the center, with a gap next to them; this gap contains the fine adjust pot and the green power-on LED.

Unless the pinout has been altered internally, the PSU shown in the video has the WHITE WIRES connected to the DC OUTPUT terminals and the BLACK WIRES connected to the AC MAINS input terminals.


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 08:17:11 AM
What are you talking about? The PINOUT of the power supply is given in the Data Sheet that MH found, and the colors of the wires are perfectly clear in the video.

The BLACK wires are connected to the MAINS INPUT of the power supply. The WHITE WIRES are connected to the DC OUTPUT of the power supply.

No the RS and the AS are not the same.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 08:20:45 AM
Here's the Data Sheet for another branded 'AS25-5' PSU. Note that the thing is a mirror image of what is shown in the video. The pinout, though, is standard, if reversed: The MAINS input terminals are close to the edge of the case and the DC output terminals are nearer the center, with a gap next to them; this gap contains the fine adjust pot and the green power-on LED.

Unless the pinout has been altered internally, the PSU shown in the video has the WHITE WIRES connected to the DC OUTPUT terminals and the BLACK WIRES connected to the AC MAINS input terminals.

No the datasheet you attached show 1 & 2 are DC and 4 & 5 are AC.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 08:40:14 AM
Look again.

In the first place, the "AS" data sheet that I attached shows something DIFFERENT: A different dimension and a mirror-image pinout. The NUMBERS of the pins are different. The LOCATION of the pins is the same: the MAINS INPUT is next to the case wall and the DC OUTPUT is more central and is next to the gap containing the potentiometer and the LED ! This is actually an industry standard arrangement.




Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 08:46:58 AM
I just posted the pinout.. didn't you see?

AS = pin 1&2 DC
RS = pin 1&2 AC

Akula using a AS supply
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 08:58:05 AM
OOOPS...... think about THIS photo, at 15:59.


Why/how is the GREEN LED on?


The black wires aren't connected.....

If the BLACK wires are the output of the PSU that is supposed to be running the board that is supposed to be powering the White Wires that are supposed to be powering the PSU..... then the BOARD is running without the necessary feed from the PSU.... which he showed didn't work in an earlier shot.

If the BLACK wires are the mains input to the PSU..... but they are disconnected..... then how is the Green Power LED still on?



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 09:01:31 AM
I just posted the pinout.. didn't you see?

AS = pin 1&2 DC
RS = pin 1&2 AC

Akula using a AS supply

What is the matter with you? Can you not read?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 09:05:46 AM
I think there was a point where he was running circuit off 9v battery?  I'll have to look at the video.  If not.. yep busted.  So you saying the datasheet isn't correct and that AC is always on the outside of the supply.. could be.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 09:07:14 AM
What is the matter with you? Can you not read?

I was thinking the same thing about you?  :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 09:09:37 AM
I think there was a point where he was running circuit off 9v battery?  I'll have to look at the video.  If not.. yep busted.  So you saying the datasheet isn't correct and that AC is always on the outside of the supply.. could be.

What do you mean, data sheet isn't correct? They are correct. The AC is on the outer terminals on all versions of the MeanWell and the AS-branded supply.
The only "discrepancy" is the numbering of the terminals.

There are no other inputs/outputs to that power supply. The fact that the LED is ON.... needs explaining. It will be fun to read the explanations.

The fact that the label sticker that shows the terminal functions has been removed.... is also a smoking gun.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 09:19:25 AM
I think there was a point where he was running circuit off 9v battery?  I'll have to look at the video.  If not.. yep busted.  So you saying the datasheet isn't correct and that AC is always on the outside of the supply.. could be.

Yes, the Green LED is shown lit and he is touching the 9v battery to the terminals on the Board where he "starts" the thing, and when he removes the 9v battery the Green LED on the PSU goes out. Very clever.

I think we should need to see that PSU plugged into the wall and powering a normal 5v load, then changed over and used in the demonstration again.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 09:19:55 AM
OOOPS...... think about THIS photo, at 15:59.


Why/how is the GREEN LED on?


The black wires aren't connected.....

If the BLACK wires are the output of the PSU that is supposed to be running the board that is supposed to be powering the White Wires that are supposed to be powering the PSU..... then the BOARD is running without the necessary feed from the PSU.... which he showed didn't work in an earlier shot.

If the BLACK wires are the mains input to the PSU..... but they are disconnected..... then how is the Green Power LED still on?

If you look just a few seconds earlier in the video you'll see he is powering the device with 9v battery to take measurements.. that is why the green LED is lit up.

I don't see the backwards pinouts you talk about.

Edit:  Oh you saw it.. you posted as I was typing.  I have to go.. will check this thread later in the week.  8)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 21, 2014, 10:55:37 AM
Hi,

The entire page for PSU.. someone must be mad on finding fakes, ghmmm... ;)
Oh well, you never convince skeptics unless they disassemble unit themselves to see no hidden batteries inside.

Here is audio recording from Teamspeak where Roman explained working principle on how self running LED flashlight was achieved:
http://filebin.net/84mauc7noc/14-04-17_akula0083_full.mp3

Cheers!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 11:32:09 AM
Hi,

The entire page for PSU.. someone must be mad on finding fakes, ghmmm... ;)
Oh well, you never convince skeptics unless they disassemble unit themselves to see no hidden batteries inside.

Here is audio recording from Teamspeak where Roman explained working principle on how self running LED flashlight was achieved:
http://filebin.net/84mauc7noc/14-04-17_akula0083_full.mp3 (http://filebin.net/84mauc7noc/14-04-17_akula0083_full.mp3)

Cheers!

It might have saved a good few posts had he removed the PSU lid to give a good close-up eyeball inside during the video. Videos staged like this one are just a waste of time and effort.  :(
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: HG8AD on April 21, 2014, 12:34:43 PM
DC black cable.... start up parallel the battery affects it ...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: AlienGrey on April 21, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
Can I actually post any useful info on here ? I think i'm blocked, great.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 01:17:38 PM
Thanks TK and others, I suppose I retract my retraction but I am not 100% certain!  lol  I got hypnotized!

In a way it's almost moot, because these setups with the power supply and the external board in a "mutual assistance pact" by virtue of their wiring connections are a fake.  Just use your common sense.

Why does this Russian guy do this absolute crap?  Money?  Internet fame or infamy?  Psychological problems?  Prankster?  Compulsion bordering on obsession?  Screw the system?   Screw all of you?  Socially engineer people for kicks?  Pathological lying extended into cyberspace?  Just a plain a$$hole?  Hates his mother?

Who the hell knows!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 01:56:55 PM
Interesting clip showing foreign looking white wire and cut wire?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: havuhung on April 21, 2014, 01:59:04 PM
Thanks TK and others, I suppose I retract my retraction but I am not 100% certain!  lol  I got hypnotized!

In a way it's almost moot, because these setups with the power supply and the external board in a "mutual assistance pact" by virtue of their wiring connections are a fake.  Just use your common sense.

Why does this Russian guy do this absolute crap?  Money?  Internet fame or infamy?  Psychological problems?  Prankster?  Compulsion bordering on obsession?  Screw the system?   Screw all of you?  Socially engineer people for kicks?  Pathological lying extended into cyberspace?  Just a plain a$$hole?  Hates his mother?

Who the hell knows!

MileHigh
Hi MileHigh,
There are people not as a benefit at all, they still prefer to deceive people and are proud of what they did!!!  Sadly!

havuhung

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 02:18:45 PM
Well, at best we can tell that the PSU box has been opened. Why, or what's been done inside is unknown.  That's why I think it would be nice to see it used with Mains input and a normal 5v load, to show that it still works normally.
And until someone can provide other evidence, I stand by the pinout analysis: on these kinds of power supplies the DC output terminals are located nearest the fine adjust pot and power LED, not at the other end of the terminal strip. The strip is numbered from L to R, so in the "mirror image" AS version the numbers of the DC out and AC in terminals are different, but the location wrt the edge (for AC mains) and near-center (for DC out) is the same. The removal of the label that normally sits right above the terminal strip is suspicious.

So until someone can provide some other evidence, I'm staying firm on the White Wires being connected to the DC output terminals. So the lighting up of the Green Power LED in the supply, when the Black wires disconnected, seems strange. It is slightly possible that the Green LED is directly connnected to the DC output rail of the supply, and an oscillating input from the Mystery Board to the transformer could produce a corresponding AC voltage at the White Wire winding which could then in turn light up the Green power LED on the DC output bus of the PSU. I have several power supplies whose meters will read voltage even if they are off, as long as they are connected to a source like a charged cap or a battery.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 02:30:10 PM
Well, at best we can tell that the PSU box has been opened. Why, or what's been done inside is unknown.  That's why I think it would be nice to see it used with Mains input and a normal 5v load, to show that it still works normally.
And until someone can provide other evidence, I stand by the pinout analysis: on these kinds of power supplies the DC output terminals are located nearest the fine adjust pot and power LED, not at the other end of the terminal strip. The strip is numbered from L to R, so in the "mirror image" AS version the numbers of the DC out and AC in terminals are different, but the location wrt the edge (for AC mains) and near-center (for DC out) is the same. The removal of the label that normally sits right above the terminal strip is suspicious.

So until someone can provide some other evidence, I'm staying firm on the White Wires being connected to the DC output terminals. So the lighting up of the Green Power LED in the supply, when the Black wires disconnected, seems strange. It is slightly possible that the Green LED is directly connnected to the DC output rail of the supply, and an oscillating input from the Mystery Board to the transformer could produce a corresponding AC voltage at the White Wire winding which could then in turn light up the Green power LED on the DC output bus of the PSU. I have several power supplies whose meters will read voltage even if they are off, as long as they are connected to a source like a charged cap or a battery.

If the PSU has been doctored, then the terminal allocations may have been changed to suit his requirements.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 21, 2014, 04:05:22 PM
Interesting clip showing foreign looking white wire and cut wire?
He show that without supply power consumption is 0.03 A and 9 volts, that is 0.27 W and output is 1 W LED. And he say in audio file, that one frenquency is 4-7 herc and other 460 kiloherc. One frenquency is feroresonance, but I not understand that is feroresonance 4-7 herc or 460 kiloherc?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 04:17:25 PM
If the PSU has been doctored, then the terminal allocations may have been changed to suit his requirements.

Well, that's rather obvious, I think. But aren't we supposed to believe that the PSU hasn't been altered? If it has, then it's an important part of the circuit that hasn't been disclosed.

Anyway, I've thought about the Green LED, and what it means. It lights up when the 9v battery is applied to the Mystery Board and shuts off when that battery is removed. OK, this can happen with the normal unaltered power supply, IF the Mystery Board is putting a pulsed signal into the coil(s) of the transformator. The White Wires will act as the secondary and an AC voltage will be put into the (normally) DC output terminals of the PSU. The LED and its dropping resistor are probably simply in parallel with the DC output, so the LED will light up, as long as the Mystery Board is oscillating into the transformator "primary".

I made a short video explaining my take on this PSU LED part of the thing. I used DC into a small homemade supply but I think the idea is clear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0FqZGGY8hc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0FqZGGY8hc)
(If it's "unavailable" it means it's still being processed at YT, I think..... or it is being suppressed..... lol)

Of course if the PSU is altered inside then all this discussion is somewhat moot. Still, I believe that careful observation can always reveal some clues.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 05:36:54 PM

Of course if the PSU is altered inside then all this discussion is somewhat moot. Still, I believe that careful observation can always reveal some clues.

One of the best clues is where he throws the switch on the PSU, then connects the 9V battery. When the battery is connected, the LED's light but when the battery is removed, the lamps extinguish. He realises that the switch needs to be thrown to latch in the relay or electronic switch inside the PSU, so as to connect the hidden battery to the output of the PSU. No need for complicated modifications or terminal re-designations, just a simple bit of skulduggery inside the PSU. Your short video reinforces this. Notice the similarity of the suspicious looking white wire inside the PSU as shown in my last post, to the white wire used on the ferrite choke.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 21, 2014, 07:11:23 PM
One of the best clues is where he throws the switch on the PSU, then connects the 9V battery. When the battery is connected, the LED's light but when the battery is removed, the lamps extinguish. He realises that the switch needs to be thrown to latch in the relay or electronic switch inside the PSU, so as to connect the hidden battery to the output of the PSU. No need for complicated modifications or terminal re-designations, just a simple bit of skulduggery inside the PSU. Your short video reinforces this. Notice the similarity of the suspicious looking white wire inside the PSU as shown in my last post, to the white wire used on the ferrite choke.
Part 3, minute 13 - where do you see power output from disconnected PSU?
Minute 14 - akula connects 9V "КОСМОС" 200mAh battery and 8 LEDs are lit up (1 Watt load) while ampmeter is showing power consumption of 0.02-0.03A which includes 1W load of LEDs + powering up electronics...

Please watch it frame by frame because akula did fit all these tests into very short video and only then try to point out what you did find suspicious there.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 07:32:47 PM
Come on guys!  Assuming that the supply is not altered in any way.. what good would DC be on a transformer???  The white wires are connected to AC in and the black wires are DC out.  It is the only logical way of wiring.  And that is what the AS datasheet shows.  I don't think there are any inverse pinouts in the datasheet.. that was made up.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 07:40:49 PM
Just because "8 leds are lit up" that does NOT mean that they are drawing their full rated power. There is no evidence that the LEDs are actually dissipating one Watt, while the input power is 9v x 0.03 A= 270 mW. In fact, 270 mW is plenty to light up ten or more LEDs to full brilliance, especially if they are pulsed.

Quote
Come on guys!  Assuming that the supply is not altered in any way.. what good would DC be on a transformer???  The white wires are connected to AC in and the black wires are DC out.  It is the only logical way of wiring.  And that is what the AS datasheet shows.  I don't think there are any inverse pinouts in the datasheet.. that was made up.

That is NOT what the AS data sheet shows! LOOK AT THE DIAGRAMS! The terminal strip is always numbered from left to right, so the _numbers_ of the terminals are different in the "mirror image" version. The DC OUTPUT is always next to the large gap, where the fine adjust pot and the LED are located. This is true for the "mirror image" AS data sheet as well as the AR data sheet. The data sheets agree with me.

So if you want to claim that the wiring is as YOU say, you will need to provide some evidence that overrides the data sheets and the actual device.

I am perfectly willing to agree with you, IF you provide evidence. The data sheets agree with me, though.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 07:52:35 PM
Part 3, minute 13 - where do you see power output from disconnected PSU?
Minute 14 - akula connects 9V "КОСМОС" 200mAh battery and 8 LEDs are lit up (1 Watt load) while ampmeter is showing power consumption of 0.02-0.03A which includes 1W load of LEDs + powering up electronics...

Please watch it frame by frame because akula did fit all these tests into very short video and only then try to point out what you did find suspicious there.

I studied part 3, from minute 13 carefully. I'm fairly sure that his 9V battery is operating a low current switch, which in turn is completing the circuit for a high-cap / super-cap discharge into the supply rail of an oscillator (primary of ferrite transformer) operating in flyback mode to light the LED's.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 21, 2014, 07:57:54 PM
Come on guys!  Assuming that the supply is not altered in any way.. what good would DC be on a transformer???  The white wires are connected to AC in and the black wires are DC out.  It is the only logical way of wiring.  And that is what the AS datasheet shows.  I don't think there are any inverse pinouts in the datasheet.. that was made up.

Here is new video without power supply:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 08:00:41 PM
Just because "8 leds are lit up" that does NOT mean that they are drawing their full rated power. There is no evidence that the LEDs are actually dissipating one Watt, while the input power is 9v x 0.03 A= 270 mW. In fact, 270 mW is plenty to light up ten or more LEDs to full brilliance, especially if they are pulsed.

That is NOT what the AS data sheet shows! LOOK AT THE DIAGRAMS! The terminal strip is always numbered from left to right, so the _numbers_ of the terminals are different in the "mirror image" version. The DC OUTPUT is always next to the large gap, where the fine adjust pot and the LED are located. This is true for the "mirror image" AS data sheet as well as the AR data sheet. The data sheets agree with me.

So if you want to claim that the wiring is as YOU say, you will need to provide some evidence that overrides the data sheets and the actual device.

I am perfectly willing to agree with you, IF you provide evidence. The data sheets agree with me, though.

No you look at the diagram.. That is exactly what the diagram shows from left to right pin 1,2,3,4,5.  1&2 DC out and 4&5 AC in.  No mirrors in the datasheet.  :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Grumage on April 21, 2014, 08:05:27 PM
Dear All.

Now tell me where the hidden batteries are on this circuit ?? !!   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas&feature=youtu.be

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: 4Tesla on April 21, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
@T1000 and Grum

Thank you for the link to the new video!!  8)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 08:17:42 PM
Dear All.

Now tell me where the hidden batteries are on this circuit ?? !!   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas&feature=youtu.be)

Cheers Grum.


No hidden battery, just a small super-cap! LED's are not illuminated brightly, so capacity of cap need not be that high.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 21, 2014, 08:31:16 PM

No hidden battery, just a small super-cap! LED's are not illuminated brightly, so capacity of cap need not be that high.

Now that is getting silly... ;)
Did you read electrolytic caps values when he unsoldered it before dissasemly?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 08:33:27 PM
Now that is getting silly... ;)
Did you read electrolytic caps values when he unsoldered it before dissasemly?

No and neither could you!  ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 21, 2014, 09:00:22 PM
[updated in second post]
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 21, 2014, 09:01:01 PM
No and neither could you!  ;)

Here it is, I spent some time just for you :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: gyulasun on April 21, 2014, 09:02:53 PM
No and neither could you!  ;)

Folks,

The capacitor he desolders first from the PCB is a 2200 uF / 50V DC rated, the second cap he removes is a 1000 uF / 50V DC reated and third one the green that cannot be seen what is labeled on it.   The labels on first two caps can be seen in the first 10 minutes of the video, not when he removes them.
Normally supercaps are 2.5V or max 5.5V rated in a single package.   So I donno yet the truth...

Gyula
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 09:08:57 PM
Here it is, I spent some time just for you :)

Nice try thanks but the super-cap does not need to have a working voltage of 9V.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 09:23:02 PM
@ T1000,

Something for you.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: lasersaber on April 21, 2014, 10:01:36 PM

Quote
Normally supercaps are 2.5V or max 5.5V rated in a single package.   So I donno yet the truth...


There are higher rated super caps available online.  See here:  http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/Technologies/Product.aspx?ProductID=FS1A105ZFTOKIN5522339&IM=0


I have been lurking around here and OU Research reading everything about the Akula devices.  I have had very little time to build lately.  I have not yet understood what the working principle behind the claimed excess power is.  I do plan on trying out some of the unique "perpetual" transformer design ideas I have learned about on the SJR Crossover circuit.  I will post if I notice anything interesting.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: gyulasun on April 21, 2014, 10:13:30 PM
Hi lasersaber,

Thanks, I was not aware of them.  From your link, data sheet says for 1 Farad 11V supercap the OD=28.5mm,  Height=31.5mm and Height for a 12V 1 Farad is 38mm.
for a 12V 5 Farad supercap the OD=44mm,  Height=60mm
If he used a supercap, he had to relabel / rewrap the plastic cover of one of the capacitors...

Gyula
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
No you look at the diagram.. That is exactly what the diagram shows from left to right pin 1,2,3,4,5.  1&2 DC out and 4&5 AC in.  No mirrors in the datasheet.  :)

How many times do we have to go through this?

The first image below is from the video.

The second image below is from the data sheet. Do you  see now the "mirror image" ?  The GAP contains the adjustment pot and the LED. The DC output terminals are closest to this gap, NOT THE EDGE OF THE PSU. This is confirmed by both data sheets.

If you want to argue this point please provide some new data that contradicts the data sheets and the photographs !!

THE DC terminals are nearer the center of the unit. The terminals closest to the edge are the AC MAINS input terminals.

Do you have trouble displaying images inline?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: cheappower2012 on April 21, 2014, 10:40:39 PM
Hoopy
You have come back to the dark side!!! ;D


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 10:42:48 PM
Hoopy
You have come back to the dark side!!! ;D

Yep, just trying to spread a bit of light. ;D
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 10:45:56 PM
Do you see the label over the terminal strip on the AS power supply photo from the data sheet? The markings are perfectly clear to me. The terminals nearer the center of the unit are marked -V and +V, the center terminal is marked with a Ground symbol and the two terminals closest to the edge are marked L  N (AC).


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: gyulasun on April 21, 2014, 10:55:18 PM
Dear All.

Now tell me where the hidden batteries are on this circuit ?? !!   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmW7HxXvas&feature=youtu.be)

Cheers Grum.

He made it Private since then...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Hoppy on April 21, 2014, 11:00:09 PM
Three caps versus two caps.  ???

Three caps on part 3 video. Two on previous parts.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 12:15:30 AM
Wow you guys are super sleuths!  That's part of the fun!

It simply makes sense to put the "nasty and dangerous" AC inputs on the far end of the terminal block setup.  Then you can "play" with the 5-volt output pins in the center.

So I was right in my first assumption.  So you are now officially in Whackadoo Land with Mr. Akua wiring up the DC out to one side of a transformer.  He was just getting cocky and lazy, just like the fact that he couldn't be bothered trying to hide the fact that he broke the seal on the power supply in the first place.

I also see some videos have been made private.  I don't know whose videos they are but that's the classic pattern.  Mr. Chicken Head makes a fake clip or clips, then he stumbles and before you know it his video clips start popping out of existence.

I bet you he hates his mother!  lol

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: tysb3 on April 22, 2014, 01:02:15 AM
@ MH
there is latest Akula's video:
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/1404c889d895/%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%20%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C%20%E2%84%963.mp4
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 22, 2014, 01:04:30 AM
Yep. But consider this.

If the power supply is not altered, and if I am right about the pinout, the DC output could still maybe have an effect on the transformer by biasing the core. So if the input (black wires) to the PSU are getting some kind of low frequency oscillating signal from the Mystery board, this could be.... maybe.... modulating the DC output in some way that then affected the core's permeability and thus the inductance and power transfer characteristics of the other side's windings that are connected to the board.

Or there are batteries and some switching logic in the altered PSU.

But also.... How does that DC power supply respond to having its output short-circuited? Some will just fold back and not produce any output; others will try to maintain constant current by dropping the voltage to near zero; mine in the video will overload and pop the circuit breaker, hopefully before the magic smoke leaks out....
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: tysb3 on April 22, 2014, 01:21:26 AM
@ TK
you talking about old issue. Akula made self runner without PSU.
check latest his video:

 https://cloud.mail.ru/public/1404c889d895/%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%20%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C%20%E2%84%963.mp4
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 01:41:59 AM
Tysb3,

I tried the first video link and did not see a video window and a play button.  I will pass.  The less time I spend on an unknown Russian web site the better.  I am very wary (осторожный) about Russian web sites.

TK,

Who really knows.  I am pretty sure that a switching power supply is just a pulsing inductor charging an output cap (Bedini strikes again) with a voltage sense that feeds back to control how much you pulse the inductor.  So the guts don't lend themselves to any kind of rippling on the output because there is some rippling on the input.  I think.

Notice that a switching power supply is not a "true" power supply that will sink current to keep the output at the desired voltage if the "load" is trying to over-voltage the output.  The voltage sense will just see that the output is already "high enough" and stop switching altogether.

At least that is what I infer because as you know I stopped my true electronics "nerding" before the PCI bus came out.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: tysb3 on April 22, 2014, 01:55:31 AM
@MH
there is on Youtube:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hBXaev5IQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hBXaev5IQ)

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 22, 2014, 01:56:19 AM
Why arguing?
Don't you think that if this guy wanted to share anything he would have come out with something by now?

All we are seeing is a stream of mystical pontificating videos at times accompanied by a cheesy soundtrack.
If there is anything real in the videos he's not going to share it. I would imagine that he's afraid of losing his prophet status he clearly enjoys tremendously.

I have studied all his videos and bits of information available and it looks to me that he has recycled a lot of someone else's ideas.
I wish him all the best but would rather not see any more of his 'creations' unless it is clearly beneficial for all.

~A

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on April 22, 2014, 01:58:04 AM
tysb3 I downloaded the video and it is great.Thanks.
Akula shows us how the trafo is wound. It is an old tv flyback core.


Maybe we should offer Akula a free trip to the UK on the understanding that he teaches us.


Any objections or comment to that proposal?


One of us could put him up for free for example.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: tysb3 on April 22, 2014, 02:20:36 AM
in mine opinion Akula's generator and QEG project heave the same ferrorezonance effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc
ferrites in this effect heave short live. It's need to bounce an iron core like in QEG or maybe with piezo buzzer connected to signal generator and catch ferrorezonance with rezonance coil
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: broli on April 22, 2014, 07:58:04 AM
Isn't it much easier to make a few copies and send them to some reputable people in the community and meanwhile have makers replicate the circuit using a circuit diagram?
No circuit diagram or spec sheet makes me very skeptical. Akula0083 has een around for a while, besides in his home there seems to be no other working replication.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 09:17:31 AM

Hi All,

Grumage started this thread with a fair bit of information, a Schematic, and a rar file with, pdf's, Circuit Design Files, Gerber files, and Images. The first Post (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg391344/#msg391344)


No one has gone into the coils in depth!


Some have claimed Akula's information to be insufficient or even fake. I suggest that anyone that is really keen, that has not already moved on and gone to another project or thread to start looking at the Coils and the 2x diodes after the coils.

Why 2 Diodes?
Why show the Coil orientation as was shown in the schematic?


I believe there is sufficient information here if we all work together on this to solve the riddle. In my posts, I have shown some unusual characteristics in my coils that need further attention! In the following picture, We can see there is something being shown here! Why have one set of terminals soldered? Why have the other set loose? This has only one answer, its so the coil can be wound in the opposite direction if necessary!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 09:44:09 AM
More on the Coil's

The Coil turns are wrong in the schematic!

Primary = 10 turns approx.
Secondary = 16 turns approx.

This Coil arrangement show that its using the A Vector Potential as the weapon of choice. It charges the Ferrite Core with the Primary (10 turns), at this point, I am going to say, because of the Diode arrangement the Secondary (16 Turns) carry's no current. At the Inductive Collapse, the Diodes conduct and the Load becomes an apparent load, more on the Load later. The Secondary Coil at this point is where the Magic is happening! if Wound and Wired correctly, the very Flow of Current in the secondary will do several things.

The Magnetic Field that the Primary Coil produces as a result of Lenz's Law, the Current flowing in the Primary Coil producing a Magnetic Field, will be Bucked by the same effects, Magnetic Field that the Secondary Coil produces as a result of Lenz's Law, the Current flowing in the Secondary Coil producing a Magnetic Field. Super Position states that there must become a Zero Intensity Magnetic Field at this point (See: Field or Wave Super Position (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superposition_principle)).

I have shown this in my Coils previously! The Coils Buck each other.

A VERY Simple Experiment.
1: Take a CRT Tube TV, turn it on and try to get a solid Colour on the screen.
2: Place one small permanent Magnet on the surface of the tube, securely.
3: Push another small Permanent Magnet, Poles Opposing, into the other small Permanent Magnet.

Result:
The Magnetic Field will be squeezed Nearly to Zero - NO MAGNETIC FIELD!!!

I am sure for those of you that have a fair amount of experience will be able to see the significance at this stage of this result!

I will share more information soon, but I would like to see some hands up if anyone is keen to continue.

In the Picture below, you will be able to see that there is a Polar benefit and Bipolar Switching is not the best with these coils. I was hoping someone would have seen this already.

All the best

  Chris

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 10:01:23 AM
The load,

Its not hard to see that the below schematic is going to have issues under certain conditions. E.G: VT1 pulls down the ve- side of L1 to Ground. We can see, and has been pointed out before, the load is Grounding the ve- side of L1 anyway weather VT1 switches or not, This of course means the load will be effectively 'connected' at all times through R5!

This could be a smart move on Akulas part though!

When the Diodes on the ends of the Coils Conduct, this creates a self looping effect on the Coils L1 and L2, Current can flow in a 'Closed' Loop in one direction! This feed back, or feed forward condition, depending on how one looks at it, with Reduced Lenz Law On the Collapsing Magnetic Field on the Coils may be where sufficient energy can be obtained to Charge C11 to capacity and also light the load all at the same time!

So even though the Circuit appears to have issues they just could be a very smart way to deal with operational Characteristics.

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 22, 2014, 11:04:59 AM
So even though the Circuit appears to have issues they just could be a very smart way to deal with operational Characteristics.
Why did you change the dot convention on the schematic that you have attached?
Grumage's diagram in the 1st post of this thread and all other diagrams (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398519/#msg398519) have the opposite winding polarity.

With the winding polarity depicted on the schematic, that you've attached, the current fill flow in the primary and secondary winding simultaneously (that is a characteristic of the "normal" transformer mode).

All other diagrams (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398519/#msg398519) show the winding polarity in a "flyback mode" where the maxima and zeros of the currents do not occur simultaneously.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 11:07:25 AM
Why did you change the dot convention on the schematic that you have attached?

Hey Verpies,

See Grumage's original Rar File (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/134537/). There are 2x diagrams in there. I did not change anything.

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
What does the Magnetic Field really do to a Charged Particle?


Another Very Simple Experiment!
1: Take a Bifilar Coil, Tie both ends of one end of the Bifilar so the Coil effectively has one coil coming back on its self in the opposing direction if the Coil was carrying Current (Non Inductive Mode)
2: Setup and configure a Circuit so you can see the Charge Time of the Coil maybe with a sense resistor. (See below Circuit)
3: Now measure the time to charge the Coil in Bifilar NON Inductive Mode.
4: Note the time down.
5: Now change the Bifilar Coil to Inductive mode series Connected so as to keep the same Resistance of the Wire as in the First Experiment.
6: Use the same Circuit and measure the time to Charge the Coil.
7: Note the Time.

Inductance!
Because the Inductance has changed between the two experiments but not the Resistance we can see a huge difference in time to charge the Coil!

Inductance (Directly Related to the Magnetic Field) has made it possible to charge a Coil that is effectively NON inductive at a Much Faster Rate! This allows the Charges I.E: Current, to move Much Faster!

Conclusion:
The Magnetic Field produced by a Charged Particle is directly proportional to the Rate of Flow (Speed at which it can travel) of the Charged Particle. E.G: the Magnetic Field that is produced by a moving Charge slows down the Charge itself.

All the Best

  Chris

P.S: See the below pdf for the Circuit and description.
                                                                                \/
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 12:22:26 PM
All other diagrams (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398519/#msg398519) show the winding polarity in a "flyback mode" where the maxima and zeros of the currents do not occur simultaneously.

Hi Verpies,

I believe once these Coils are Understood and once the Current and Voltage Measurements are done when in operation, they will prove to be quite different than the picture you posted. There will be a debate on the dot notation and what it actually means for this arrangement.

Its not conventional Transformer theory, not entirely anyway. Phase Angle and so on are not a concern, Pure, raw power. Lets just leave it here for a while before I overstate this whole thing!

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 22, 2014, 01:14:36 PM
I believe once these Coils are Understood and once the Current and Voltage Measurements are done when in operation, they will prove to be quite different than the picture you posted.
The schematic you posted is limited to MOSFET's duty cycle from 53% to 100% because the signal at the MOSFET's gate is inverted in relation to the output of the NOR gate inside the TL494.  This also gives the TL494 a ridiculous positive PWM feedback loop.

Think about it - I'd like to know if you still insist that the schematic you posted makes sense.

Anyway, below are two REAL scopeshots with the transformer in Akula's circuit v3 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398519/#msg398519) connected in the "normal" transformer mode and in flyback mode (Ch1=Gate voltage, Ch2=L1's current, Ch4=L2's current).

P.S.
I can't open Grumage's rar file but I can see the schematic that he had posted in his first post.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 22, 2014, 01:36:43 PM
Because the Inductance has changed between the two experiments but not the Resistance we can see a huge difference in time to charge the Coil!
Inductance (Directly Related to the Magnetic Field) has made it possible to charge a Coil that is effectively NON inductive at a Much Faster Rate!
Yes and such bucking/opposing bifilar non-inductive winding has a very high yawn factor with its high di/dt.

After such bucking coil is "charged up" for a short time, it cannot be later reconnected to an aiding mode and be expected to discharge for a long time (low -di/dt), because the bucking mode prevented any magnetic flux buildup in the core in the first place.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 22, 2014, 03:45:11 PM
(snip)....
In the Picture below, you will be able to see that there is a Polar benefit and Bipolar Switching is not the best with these coils. I was hoping someone would have seen this already.

All the best

  Chris

It appears that you are using AC-coupling on both channels of your oscilloscope. The little sine wave symbol next to the channel vertical attenuation settings indicates AC-coupled, if I am not mistaken. Is there some reason for that?

Your scopetraces, which are labelled Input Voltage and Input Current.... are only showing the ripple or switching transients which are sitting on top or bottom of the true signal voltages, because the use of AC-coupling has removed any DC or non-varying component of the signal. Hence any math performed on those traces will be incorrect, unless you know and use the value of the DC offset that has been removed by your choice of AC-coupling.

(I'm not challenging your basic conclusion or interpretation.... yet.... I'm just wondering about your scoposcopy.)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 22, 2014, 09:11:42 PM
Yes and such bucking/opposing bifilar non-inductive winding has a very high yawn factor with its high di/dt.

After such bucking coil is "charged up" for a short time, it cannot be later reconnected to an aiding mode and be expected to discharge for a long time (low -di/dt), because the bucking mode prevented any magnetic flux buildup in the core in the first place.

Some food for thought - what things you will observe on bulb and on hard type(magnetic) ferrite magnetic/electric configuration when having bucking coil arrangement like this?
Hint - this arrangement can be observed in latest akula videos.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 22, 2014, 09:56:28 PM

It appears that I owe Roman (Akula) an apology...

Not only am I getting more and more convinced that harnessing ferroresonance is possible, I am beginning to like him as well.
What happen? I just listen to a recording of a Teamspeak session on a Russian forum (Zaryad). While I still get an impression that Roman doesn't fully understand the processes behind his circuits, he can, indeed,  make them run in a self-sustained mode.
I was boiling with anger listening to his opponents and only wish that they let him speak instead of trying to prove their point.

There are interesting twists I've learnt from this recording:
1. all available Akula schematics are incomplete and cannot be made working without some important changes.
2. it includes the 'Delamorto 3V' device.
3. He's not going to reveal the secret as he's already sold the design to a third party.
4. Lifetime of his devices is limited due to some kind of deterioration of ferrite cores. (They also heating up when units are operational).

Which brings me to a junction. Is he a good guy or not? Is it for real?

Well, that's the point I am making. I think that he is. Somehow in the process of listening to a barrage of attacks on him I have become convinced that spending some serious amount of time understanding what we are dealing with here might not be a waste.

Which is a really good news for everyone who is now hooked on this fascinating idea. I know I am one of them.
While I wish I could use a helping hand and have some easy answers now, the most important part is to know that it is for real and can be repeated.

Well done Roman.

~A



 
 



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: T-1000 on April 22, 2014, 10:03:56 PM
It appears that I owe Roman (Akula) an apology...

Not only am I getting more and more convinced that harnessing ferroresonance is possible, I am beginning to like him as well.
What happen? I just listen to a recording of a Teamspeak session on a Russian forum (Zaryad). While I still get an impression that Roman doesn't fully understand the processes behind his circuits, he can, indeed,  make them run in a self-sustained mode.
I was boiling with anger listening to his opponents and only wish that they let him speak instead of trying to prove their point.

There are interesting twists I've learnt from this recording:
1. all available Akula schematics are incomplete and cannot be made working without some important changes.
2. it includes the 'Delamorto 3V' device.
3. He's not going to reveal the secret as he's already sold the design to a third party.
4. Lifetime of his devices is limited due to some kind of deterioration of ferrite cores. (They also heating up when units are operational).

Which brings me to a junction. Is he a good guy or not? Is it for real?

Well, that's the point I am making. I think that he is. Somehow in the process of listening to a barrage of attacks on him I have become convinced that spending some serious amount of time understanding what we are dealing with here might not be a waste.

Which is a really good news for everyone who is now hooked on this fascinating idea. I know I am one of them.
While I wish I could use a helping hand and have some easy answers now, the most important part is to know that it is for real and can be repeated.

Well done Roman.

~A

Well, if you want to know more, the best option to discuss abuot is - in voice session.
And I tried to gather everyone before for making understanding and exchange of ideas between people - http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg397514/#msg397514
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
The schematic you posted is limited to MOSFET's duty cycle from 53% to 100% because the signal at the MOSFET's gate is inverted in relation to the output of the NOR gate inside the TL494.  This also gives the TL494 a ridiculous positive PWM feedback loop.

/....

P.S.
I can't open Grumage's rar file but I can see the schematic that he had posted in his first post.

Hey Verpies,

The Schematic I posted is only part of the original rar file. Its nothing to do with what I have suggested regarding the Frequency and or Duty. I suggested a different approach to start with: My Coil Test Suggestions! (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg398250/#msg398250)

Below is the zip file, try that if you had trouble with the rar file. The contents are exactly the same.

All the Best

  Chris


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 10:42:25 PM
Yes and such bucking/opposing bifilar non-inductive winding has a very high yawn factor with its high di/dt.

After such bucking coil is "charged up" for a short time, it cannot be later reconnected to an aiding mode and be expected to discharge for a long time (low -di/dt), because the bucking mode prevented any magnetic flux buildup in the core in the first place.

Hi Verpies,

Ok, wow, where do I start here? First, this is and only was for concept to show that a Charged Particle can move at faster rates if its self generated Magnetic Field is reduced. This is true for any coil weather it be in a Generator or a Choke. Of course, the use of this effect would not be practical in the situation where a Choke would be required for obvious reasons!!!

Second, as you have drawn the coils in Picture One, there is next to no use for transfer of energy - WHY? - Lets see what the consensus is!

Question: Why is it that the Bifilar Coil you have drawn in Picture One has no use to us for achieving what we need to achieve? E.G: Amplifying Energy.

If one were to study every single Energy Amplification Device in History and say not one had a Bifilar Coil would they be right? If you have proof of evidence of the use of a Bifilar Coil let me know.

Why is it that nearly every device in History has multiple coils that always sit side by side - E.G: NOT Bifilar! Floyd Sweet is the only one that was said to use Bifilar Coils, this is un-true, they are 2x coils on the same Bobbin and NOT Bifilar by definition. How can this be proved? It cant! But a series of experiments can be done to eliminate the falsity's and a conclusion can be drawn.

In fact, if anyone can demonstrate energy amplification in a Bifilar NON inductive coil without the use of complicated switching I am prepared to send them a sum of money. Wont be much but a reward shall we say. I don't believe this can be achieved!

Below is a copy of your Bifilar Coil for others to reference and also a picture of the Actual Bucking Coil. Remember the Magnetic Field can be reduced just by squeezing 2x fields of the same strength together, the source of the Magnetic does not have to occupy the same space!

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 10:50:52 PM
It appears that you are using AC-coupling on both channels of your oscilloscope. The little sine wave symbol next to the channel vertical attenuation settings indicates AC-coupled, if I am not mistaken. Is there some reason for that?

Your scopetraces, which are labelled Input Voltage and Input Current.... are only showing the ripple or switching transients which are sitting on top or bottom of the true signal voltages, because the use of AC-coupling has removed any DC or non-varying component of the signal. Hence any math performed on those traces will be incorrect, unless you know and use the value of the DC offset that has been removed by your choice of AC-coupling.

(I'm not challenging your basic conclusion or interpretation.... yet.... I'm just wondering about your scoposcopy.)

Hi TinselKoala,

This is a good question. To be honest I cant say why exactly other than it seemed best to use AC Coupling as the wave has an AC Component to it. You're quite right however, it could have been a good idea to use DC Coupling. Also I was switching Bi Polar, using a H-Bridge and it also seemed logical to use AC Coupling.

If you would prefer to see a DC Coupled shot then let me know and I can post one.

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 10:58:34 PM
It appears that I owe Roman (Akula) an apology...

/....

~A

Hey Avalon,

Great Post! I could not agree with you more! Lets all work together and not bicker and squabble like little kids.

"We believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world through observation and experimentation, through argument and debate, but, most of all, freedom of will." (http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Alteran)

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: bolt on April 22, 2014, 11:02:54 PM
i concur to reiterate the "magic" in all of these looped devices lay in the coil construction, design and core material and there are many  seen over recent years.

There is no need to try and blindly follow other peoples schematic!  The use of switiching power supplies is not compulsory.  The type and model numbers NOT important.  Who cares if he opened his or not?  WHY would he? Well if it was me i would change the standard mains bridge diodes to HF high speed diode types for  start particulaly when ferrite squeeling pig generators tend to work best on over 15khz:)

 A bench test with signal generators can yeild the required results IF you know what to  look for.   The Russian TV Yoke is open source i suggest people start there.   Self contained driving circuits come LATER after principle operation of the core yeild the results. It really doesnt matter if you use a PLL, PWM  IC or a 555 as a signal driver.  This is the  EXACT reason why Akula has so many design varations.


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 11:02:57 PM
Well, if you want to know more, the best option to discuss abuot is - in voice session.
And I tried to gather everyone before for making understanding and exchange of ideas between people - http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg397514/#msg397514

Hi T-1000,

This is a great idea. I have tried this in the past but the biggest problem I have found is time zones. We all live in different time zones and its not always east to communicate with everyone at a single time for other reasons like Kids bed times and son on...

Keep up the effort though, if only one idea were to be passed between everyone here then it is of benefit!

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 11:06:45 PM
i concur to reiterate the "magic" in all of these looped devices lay in the coil construction, design and core material and there are many  seen over recent years.

There is no need to try and blindly follow other peoples schematic!  The use of switiching power supplies is not compulsory.  The type and model numbers NOT important.  Who cares if he opened his or not?  WHY would he? Well if it was me i would change the standard mains bridge diodes to HF high speed diode types for  start particulaly when ferrite squeeling pig generators tend to work best on over 15khz:)

 A bench test with signal generators can yeild the required results IF you know what to  look for.   The Russian TV Yoke is open source i suggest people start there.   Self contained driving circuits come LATER after principle operation of the core yeild the results. It really doesnt matter if you use a PLL, PWM  IC or a 555 as a signal driver.  This is the  EXACT reason why Akula has so many design varations.

Hey Bolt,

Exactly!!!

20 other models worked with no DC Switching Power Supply. You've hit the nail on the head! Excellent Post!

All the Best

  Chris

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 11:08:39 PM
I just listen to a recording of a Teamspeak session on a Russian forum (Zaryad). While I still get an impression that Roman doesn't fully understand the processes behind his circuits, he can, indeed,  make them run in a self-sustained mode.

Hey Avalon,

Any chance of posting the link, or even better the file for all to use as a resource?

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: r2 on April 22, 2014, 11:40:40 PM
Hey Avalon !

" 4. Lifetime of his devices is limited due to some kind of deterioration of ferrite cores. (They also heating up when units are operational)."

Years ago we ran a few test at the university with different kinds of ferrite cores and after 1 month most of them just became like empty. A piece of garbage.... Do you know why ? At certain frequency and resonance the ferrite lost mass slowly...delivering radiation. YES. RADIATION. RADIATION...READ AGAIN...RADIATION !!!!

MnaZn(1-a)Fe2O4 // NiaZn(1-a)Fe2O4) + copper = BAD FRIENDS

If you people keep playing with this, you probably will pick a BIG CANCER !!!. There is no OU...the ferrite is just the fuel and the electronics is the magic spark !!!!

Just use another core types (air or laminated Fe). Please just be careful with technology that you don't know 100%.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 22, 2014, 11:59:41 PM
Some food for thought - what things you will observe on bulb and on hard type(magnetic) ferrite magnetic/electric configuration when having bucking coil arrangement like this?
Hint - this arrangement can be observed in latest akula videos.

Hi T-1000,

This is of course the smartest observation I have seen on this thread to date! Excellent Post! It may be the case that the Coils may not be 100% correct compared to the drawing but they are very close.

All the best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 01:23:27 AM
Hi All,

I am going to go a little further, seems some are interested!

Lurkers, please join in too!

The A Vector Potential and the Magnetic Field - A and Phi

See below Picture for illustratory purposes. See here for more information. (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Vector%20Potential)

Note: Arrows pointing to the Right indicate the Right Hand Rule as applied to the magnetic Field. Arrows Up and Down indicate the Bloch Wall Growing as a result of Time moving away from t=0. This will reverse as Field Maximum has been reached and Field decays as a result of IR Factors.

I am going to take you on a ride in my Quantum Automobile! Plenty of room for all!

Imagine the typical Solenoid, or Coil of Wire, Imagine the dynamic changes that occurs to each area at specific times throughout its operation. We are going assume a 50Hz 50% Duty Cycle, typical AC Sine wave on the Input. We are going to park our Quantum Auto in the middle of the Core, absolute centre, where the Bloch wall will grow and decay with progression of the IR factor resulting in the Magnetic Field that changes in strength over time.

An observation can be made and the result is quite astounding!

Observations
At t=0 we see nothing but particles and depending on the core material we may see residual Magnetic effects. Currently we are not too concerned about the residual magnetic Effects. As time moves from Zero we see an amazing effect!

Looking up we can see an growing Toriodal Shaped Electric Field with Spin in the Clock Wise Direction moving away from us from our Observation Point.

Looking down we can see an growing Toriodal Shaped Electric Field with Spin in the Counter Clock Wise Direction moving away from us from our Observation Point.

Each Growing in intensity and at the same time moving away from us as the distance of the Bloch Wall grows in time.

Now we move our Quantum Auto and move it out to the perimeter looking sideways at the same Coil. What do we see now?


The point of this Exercise!
At this stage it is obvious that we have a difference in effects from our observation point. From outside we see two Toroidal electric fields that permeate all space growing and moving away from each other with Equivalent Spin Direction in what appears to be the same direction! From the Stand Point when we parked our Quantum Auto at the Centre of the Bloch Wall, we saw the opposite, Non Equivalent Spin Directions on each Toroidal Electric Field and each Toroidal Field moving away from each other.

The point here is that Placement of coils is important, what a Coil sees as a result of its placement can change the entire operation of the device. Not only the placement but also the direction of turns is important if it is placed on the same core as the input coil. Turn Direction is the difference between a Dead Short in the device and not shorting the device and accessing another effect that some may not have seen before.

Experimental Results
I just want to say, the above is all from experimental results. Its not all conventional and to some, it is absolute blasphemy! But its tried tested and true. If you wish I can share experiments to prove what I have said is true.

All the Best

  Chris

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on April 23, 2014, 02:31:36 AM
The principle of operation of the Akula device is a new type of LENR.


Unlike the Rossi system (which produces heat which is turned into electricity)
Akula produces electricity directly by consuming the ferrite core.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 02:55:51 AM
The principle of operation of the Akula device is a new type of LENR.

Unlike the Rossi system (which produces heat which is turned into electricity)
Akula produces electricity directly by consuming the ferrite core.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but not all Akula's devices use ferrite cores, some are air cored aren't they?

All the best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: r2 on April 23, 2014, 03:14:48 AM
The principle of operation of the Akula device is a new type of LENR.


Unlike the Rossi system (which produces heat which is turned into electricity)
Akula produces electricity directly by consuming the ferrite core.

consuming the ferrite core =  radiation

There is better stuff from Akula to play with it....

PEOPLE, BELIEVE ME, CONSUMING FERRITE = RADIATION =  CANCER


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 03:46:38 AM
Hi All,

A Little more Information. A Video posted from 'Andrea Bianchi' shows exactly what I have been talking about.

Video One: Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled 1-2  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4)
Video Two: Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled 2-2  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hBXaev5IQ)

I have Flipped and modified one of the pictures below to further explain what I have been talking about. Each Secondary Coil is configured to Buck the other Secondary Coil. I have put a white line down the middle to show what I have been talking about.

I have taken apart the Picture and joined as if the coil was on one single solid core.

If you want to see a demonstration of this effect, see my Video here: A Vector potential and what can be achieved once understood. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM)

This is a very important bit of information in the puzzle.

All the Best

  Chris

P.S: This is an old document now but I have detailed some information here: Self Assisted A Vector Potential Oscillation (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Self%20Assisted%20A%20Vector%20Potential%20Oscillation.pdf)

Being this is an old document some information may not be entirely correct and or may be incomplete. The general ideas are still there and some information may elaborate on what I have explained previously.

Hope all this helps!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 23, 2014, 04:00:36 AM
Would you like to see the A vector field  :)
The first pic ac
second dc
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 04:07:54 AM
Hi All,

This is my last bit of information. It took m a long time to understand this bit and I am now going to share. You do with it what you will.

Your input Coil can have very little turns.

Your output coils can have many more turns.

This works as a Step UP Transformer

Turns on the output determine the output voltage only, not necessarily the output Current. There is NO or next to NO Lenz Law in this transformer. Like I have explained earlier its not Conventional.

Notice Floyd Sweet had exactly 5 times more turns on his Output Coils than he did on his Input (FB) Coils and notice the FB and Input coils were non inductive from each set of coils to the other.

Good Luck Guys!

Takes a little tuning to get the best result like I said so stick with it.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 23, 2014, 04:56:50 AM
EMjunkie,

You posted a diagram of a magnet and a coil where the diagram shows the Bloch wall.  I think some of the other posters chatting with you agreed with this assessment.

I have news for you and a challenge for you.

The news is that there is no Bloch wall in the magnet.  Likewise, there is no Bloch wall in the center of the coil.  I am 100% certain of this.

The challenge for you is this:  We are in the Internet age.  There is 100 lifetime's worth of information at your fingertips.  I challenge you and your friends that agree with you about the Bloch wall diagrams to go and do the research.  Figure it out for yourselves.  Get information from multiple sources, learn it, evaluate it, and come to an understanding for yourselves and by yourselves.  Then come back to this thread and state that you now understand.  State that you understand that there is no Bloch wall, and state why there is no Bloch wall.

That is my challenge to you and your friends.  Go on a voyage of learning and discovery and come back here and tell us that you now have a proper understanding.  You would be doing yourselves a great service.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 23, 2014, 05:00:08 AM
Any chance of posting the link, or even better the file for all to use as a resource?
Sure.
Here it is: http://turbobit.net/lnd8jbsds0hh.html

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 05:04:25 AM
EMjunkie,

You posted a diagram of a magnet and a coil where the diagram shows the Bloch wall.  I think some of the other posters chatting with you agreed with this assessment.

I have news for you and a challenge for you.

The news is that there is no Bloch wall in the magnet.  Likewise, there is no Bloch wall in the center of the coil.  I am 100% certain of this.

The challenge for you is this:  We are in the Internet age.  There is 100 lifetime's worth of information at your fingertips.  I challenge you and your friends that agree with you about the Bloch wall diagrams to go and do the research.  Figure it out for yourselves.  Get information from multiple sources, learn it, evaluate it, and come to an understanding for yourselves and by yourselves.  Then come back to this thread and state that you now understand.  State that you understand that there is no Bloch wall, and state why there is no Bloch wall.

That is my challenge to you and your friends.  Go on a voyage of learning and discovery and come back here and tell us that you now have a proper understanding.  You would be doing yourselves a great service.

MileHigh

Hey MileHigh, and Avalon,

I can give you several experiments that show this Bloch Wall, but instead, here is one from the professionals: See Attached PDF. I like that you have an opinion on this and have challenged the thinking.

All the best

  Chris

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 05:09:01 AM
Sure.
Here it is: http://turbobit.net/lnd8jbsds0hh.html

~A

Thank You Brother!

All the Best

  Chris

P.S see above for info you may find very useful!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 23, 2014, 05:15:16 AM
Chris,

I am way too tired to read the pdf.  I will try to do it within the next ten days and respond.  I am in the process of preparing for a business trip and I am very busy right now.

However, note your paper discusses an alleged anomaly.  That's like starting a discussion about snowstorms and someone says, "Titan, the moon of Saturn has snow storms but the snow is frozen methane."   Do you get my point?  The discussion is supposed to be about snowstorms on Earth.

I am not interested in any alleged anomalies.  I stated that a normal magnet or a normal coil does not have a Bloch wall and I am challenging you to go on an intellectual voyage of discovery and learning yourself - so that you come back and tell us how you now understand why there are no Bloch walls in magnets and coils.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 05:22:53 AM
Chris,

I am way too tired to read the pdf.  I will try to do it within the next ten days and respond.  I am in the process of preparing for a business trip and I am very busy right now.

However, note your paper discusses an alleged anomaly.  That like starting a discussion about snowstorms and someone says, "Titan, the moon of Saturn has snow storms but the snow is frozen methane."   Do you get my point?  The discussion is supposed to be about snowstorms on Earth.

I am not interested in any alleged anomalies.  I stated that a normal magnet or a normal coil does not have a Bloch wall and I am challenging you to go on an intellectual voyage of discovery and learning yourself - so that you come back and tell us how you now understand why there are no Bloch walls in magnets and coils.

MileHigh

Hey MileHigh,

If one had time to read, and the will to move forward there are a thousand documents I can share with you. Howard Johnston also proved beyond doubt a Bloch Wall exists.

Therefore I will leave you in the boat, floating, and when you have time to do the study you can read, as I have already done my bit.

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MileHigh on April 23, 2014, 05:28:04 AM
Chris,

If you believe that a bar magnet has a Bloch wall that separates it into two halves, the please explain it right here in this thread.  I am serious, please discuss the structure of the bar magnet and it's associated Bloch wall.  I am asking you to delve into it with a moderate amount of detail like you were teaching someone that had no preconceptions one way or the other.

I would be curious to see what you have to say.

MileHigh

P.S.:  I am not doubting if Bloch walls exist or not, I am just discussing if one exists in a bar magnet.  That's what I am asking you to explain.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 05:38:20 AM
Chris,

If you believe that a bar magnet has a Bloch wall that separates it into two halves, the please explain it right here in this thread.  I am serious, please discuss the structure of the bar magnet and it's associated Bloch wall.  I am asking you to delve into it with a moderate amount of detail like you were teaching someone that had no preconceptions one way or the other.

I would be curious to see what you have to say.

MileHigh

P.S.:  I am not doubting if Bloch walls exist or not, I am just discussing if one exists in a bar magnet.  That's what I am asking you to explain.

Hey MileHigh,

If you start another separate thread, then I am more than happy to contribute. I am not getting into a debate here as it defeats the purpose of this thread.

Ball is in your court.

All the Best

  Chris

P.S: When you get time, please read my related documents I have posted for you. I am happy to participate after you have read the documents I have supplied you.

P.P.S: If you need a Picture to start the thread, see the attached Picture I have supplied you. Red Arrows Indicate Natural and Induced Bloch Wall. This is just so you can have a visual display of the effect. Magnetic Paper is about $3 on E-Bay if you need to buy some.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: a.king21 on April 23, 2014, 06:32:40 AM
Please correct me if I am wrong, but not all Akula's devices use ferrite cores, some are air cored aren't they?

All the best

  Chris


Akula uses a magnetic core: Russian ingredients:  strontium manufactured hard ferrite:


The million dollar question is: can we replicate with a UK core?

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 06:49:47 AM

Akula uses a magnetic core: Russian ingredients:  strontium manufactured hard ferrite:


The million dollar question is: can we replicate with a UK core?

Hey A.King21,

Let me put it this way, I don't think it cant be done!

Anything is possible if we try hard enough, all together!

I think it could be beneficial to start small, start with a dirty old recovered Ferrite DC Switch Mode Power Supply transformer, wind the coils like we know how and try to get the best results. Like I say, lets start small, start cheap and see what happens.

Or EBay is Cheap too! (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ER2834-EE-Type-Transformer-Ferrite-Magnetic-Core-Coil-Former-34x29x24mm-/321293405818?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ace944e7a)

The first goal should be to run a load with no extra input power. Then we can increase turns, Insert Diodes, Change switching or what ever from there.

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 07:41:24 AM
Hi All,

It seems as if Videos are being removed: Роман Карноухов (Roman Karnouhov) (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aHNMDJzRW7YDd145_Pa2w/videos)

It could be maliciously or not but I suggest people download the videos they come across and keep them: I use: YDownloader (http://www.youtube-d.com/) It can also convert them to AVI or what ever later on also. Its Free!

So beware the clean up on the net of useful information!

All the best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Ed morbus on April 23, 2014, 08:42:14 AM
from Wesley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 09:09:56 AM
Hi All,

I have done some investigations on the Video: Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled 1-2  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4)

I have estimated the running Frequency in and around 6.910KHz.

Primary Turns: 7 Turns.
Secondary 1 Turns: 13 Turns
Secondary 2 Turns: 19 Turns

The Core is a Fly Back TV U or C Core (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FERRITE-CORE-UR-3C30-UR48-39-17-3C30-2103425-/390627709396?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item5af339d1d4)

I think that this version is about the best possible chance of replicating. We have a lot of information about this version. We know the exact Coil Configuration, Approx Frequency, basic construction...

Does anyone have the Circuit for Akula0083 Lantern3?

This device is a Very Good Demonstration!!

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Ed morbus on April 23, 2014, 09:31:58 AM
Thanks

more info used wire gauge
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: havuhung on April 23, 2014, 10:37:36 AM
Hi All,
Name of IC on Circuit Board (Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled)
anyone know?
Thank you

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 23, 2014, 11:08:11 AM

Primary Turns: 7 Turns.
Secondary 1 Turns: 13 Turns
Secondary 2 Turns: 19 Turns

No. Here is two primaries and one secondary. And prmaries wound in oposite direction. One primary frenquency is low, other is hight. One primary for transformation, other for combination to get free energy. Who have more turns primary is for standart transformation. Akula say about feroresonance.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 23, 2014, 11:17:59 AM

Akula uses a magnetic core: Russian ingredients:  strontium manufactured hard ferrite:


The million dollar question is: can we replicate with a UK core?
I bealive, that of cors. That is wery naive thinking, that only russian cores is magic... I bealive.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: havuhung on April 23, 2014, 11:28:50 AM
Hi All,

I have done some investigations on the Video: Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled 1-2  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4)

I have estimated the running Frequency in and around 6.910KHz.

Primary Turns: 7 Turns.
Secondary 1 Turns: 13 Turns
Secondary 2 Turns: 19 Turns

The Core is a Fly Back TV U or C Core (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FERRITE-CORE-UR-3C30-UR48-39-17-3C30-2103425-/390627709396?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item5af339d1d4)

I think that this version is about the best possible chance of replicating. We have a lot of information about this version. We know the exact Coil Configuration, Approx Frequency, basic construction...

Does anyone have the Circuit for Akula0083 Lantern3?

This device is a Very Good Demonstration!!

All the Best

  Chris
Hi EMJunkie,
I hear hissing noise in the video, he used hand axes rotation potentiometer, the potentiometer is in the outermost position on the circuit board. I guess this circuit board can operate in the frequency range 15-20 kHz.




Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 11:30:31 AM
Hi All,
Name of IC on Circuit Board (Akula0083 Lantern 3 disassembled)
anyone know?
Thank you

Hi All,

IC's and parts of the Circuit are attached, I don't see the Half H-Bridge chip on the board? Anyway we work with what we have currently. See the Below Zip File!

This info is from: Free Energy April 2014 Akula0083 Lantern No3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc) - Appears to be the same circuit.

All the Best

  Chris

P.S: For those that have not read my previous posts, I think you may find them worth a skim over, please read if you get time as the information has taken me a long time to put together.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 11:40:34 AM
No. Here is two primaries and one secondary. And prmaries wound in oposite direction. One primary frenquency is low, other is hight. One primary for transformation, other for combination to get free energy. Who have more turns primary is for standart transformation. Akula say about feroresonance.

Hey MenofFather,

Floyd Sweet also wrote about resonance, instead it was Magnetic Resonance. See the attached pdf. Also see the pdf by Paul Raymond Jensen, I believe this is what Floyd Sweet refers to in the first pdf.

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 11:45:54 AM
Hi All,

IC's and parts of the Circuit are attached, I don't see the Half H-Bridge chip on the board? Anyway we work with what we have currently. See the Below Zip File!

This info is from: Free Energy April 2014 Akula0083 Lantern No3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc) - Appears to be the same circuit.

All the Best

  Chris

P.S: For those that have not read my previous posts, I think you may find them worth a skim over, please read if you get time as the information has taken me a long time to put together.

Hi All,

The above information I posted may be an entirely different circuit! On further investigation, I believe they, both IC Chips are TL494ln but I cant be certain of this.

All the best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Acca on April 23, 2014, 12:23:25 PM
 The missing clips are still on the Akula YT channel, you must have the link to wach the clips..  some clips are now re-loaded to to different channels.. so they are not on the Akula channel..
 
I will link the Russian forum on this device here below for you, as well as for others. This is in Russian, if you copy the link then paste it into the google translator it will translate the whole forum in to english
 
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134845-akuly0083-fonariki.html?limitstart=0 (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134845-akuly0083-fonariki.html?limitstart=0)
 
Weslay video translation of the Akula0083 device below.
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo)
 
Dis-Assembly bt Akula0083
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hBXaev5IQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hBXaev5IQ)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RNTyFTWS4)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUW-3yXQIWQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUW-3yXQIWQ)
 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Atomic self-destruction is now "real" as Italians have discovered in 2007. Using ultrasonic energy they broke apart ferric-chloride salt and released neutrons using very low power.. Ferrites (micro size) in a ceramics don't have a lasting a mgnetic field and it's properties can be made to induce a "spin wave" in the Ghz.  range. One can collect the electrons in the nodal points this way. Akula has found a way.. in the lower frequency's.. This energy extraction is atomic in nature.  link to "Piezzonuclear" effect..
 
 
Why Iron?
From the point of view of the well known nuclear fusion and fission, Iron is certainly the less indicated nuclide to be employed. The reason of this statement can be found the diagram reporting the binding energy per nucleon as function of the atomic mass number. In this diagram Iron has, in sign, the lowest binding energy, which means that its nucleus is the most tightly bound. This means that, starting from it, both fusion and fission are endothermic processes, or in other words, that, even if the conditions for them to take place were created, they would not begin, since the resulting nuclides would have, in sign, a higher binding energy, which they should absorb from the environment. This is perfectly true in flat spacetime. Conversely, in a deformed spacetime, piezonuclear fusion and piezonuclear fission can easily take place for Iron as well, and moreover this nuclide, thanks to its higher binding energy per nucleon, reaches and overcomes the threshold more easily and above all in less time.
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZ34Wwa-AE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZ34Wwa-AE)
 
Here are posts from this forum from 2009 about “Piezonuclear”  (Italian term)
 
http://www.overunity.com/8503/ultrasonic-piezonuclear-reactions/#.U1eRxayLN8U (http://www.overunity.com/8503/ultrasonic-piezonuclear-reactions/#.U1eRxayLN8U)
 
 
Acca…
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 23, 2014, 12:49:14 PM
See the Below Zip File!
Eihehehegeygey, I could not open this zip file.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 01:01:35 PM
Eihehehegeygey, I could not open this zip file.

Hey MenofFather,

I think its not the correct Circuit anyway. I have attached pictures.

All the Best

  Chris.
 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 23, 2014, 01:06:35 PM
@Chris:

Div B = 0.

The "Bloch Wall" is a characteristic of your measurement system, not the magnetic field.



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: John.K1 on April 23, 2014, 01:16:03 PM
Guys
In the matter of transmutation of materials there are numbers of patents starting for example with old Czechoslovakien patent of transmuting Fe56(normal soft iron) to Fe54, later also some French ones.  Very simple design releasing huge amount of energy. But what is it good for if you have to feed it with new bars after some hours of work? Why are you so focused on the ferite core?  Don't you remember Acula's first torche was like TPU - it means air core.  I think he was trying to replicate SM's TPU and it didn't work for him that way but he got running the device  we see now.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Acca on April 23, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
 
Here is a link to:
 
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.875 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.875)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Ferromagnetic FREE ENERGY generation of Andrey Melnichenko.
 
This is what Akula0083 has shown the explanation is below with a link to the “Ferrite web” of the Russian inventor..
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M)
 
 
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ex_1/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ex_1/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/equipment/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/equipment/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/sequence/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/sequence/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/cooperation/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/cooperation/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/faqs/general/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/faqs/general/)
 
 
Effect is based on transformation of the secondary ferromagnetic ferros field to useful (free) electric energy. Work onto magnetisation (electric energy cost) is defined only by that magnetic field which directly forms flux linkage (inductive coupling) with magnetisable wind.
 
 Acca…[/font]
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 01:37:53 PM
@Chris:

Div B = 0.

The "Bloch Wall" is a characteristic of your measurement system, not the magnetic field.

Hey TinselKoala,

My opinion stays un changed unfortunately, I can see it, I can feel it, my senses are not fibbing. Weather Div B = 0 or Div B != 0.

Sorry TinselKoala, I am firm on my findings on this one.

All the Best

  Chris

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 01:40:29 PM

Here is a link to:
 
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.875 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.875)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Ferromagnetic FREE ENERGY generation of Andrey Melnichenko.
 
This is what Akula0083 has shown the explanation is below with a link to the “Ferrite web” of the Russian inventor..
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M)
 
 
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ex_1/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/ex_1/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/equipment/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/equipment/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/sequence/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/core_of_the_physical_effect/sequence/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/cooperation/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/cooperation/)
http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/faqs/general/ (http://www.ferromagnetic-energy.ru/faqs/general/)
 
 
Effect is based on transformation of the secondary ferromagnetic ferros field to useful (free) electric energy. Work onto magnetisation (electric energy cost) is defined only by that magnetic field which directly forms flux linkage (inductive coupling) with magnetisable wind.
 
 Acca…[/font]

Hey Acca,

Excellent! This is a good bit of information to have thanks

Was waiting for Andrei to get the site back up.

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 23, 2014, 03:28:27 PM
from Wesley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpx1SJdXnmo)
The schematic for the device depicted in this video is below:
( connections of copper foils may be incorrect )
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 23, 2014, 03:44:44 PM
But what is it good for if you have to feed it with new bars after some hours of work?
Do you realize how much energy is released in transmutation of 1kg of Fe or Co?

Don't you remember Acula's first torche was like TPU - it means air core. 
It doesn't mean that the device is all air, e.g. the device contains a lot of copper in the form of copper wire and foil.
Do you realize how much energy is released in transmutation of 1kg of Cu ?
Don't you remember whether he got the copper device to work well ?

Calculate the J/kg of transmutation yield before you start discouraging people with your ignorance.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: mscoffman on April 23, 2014, 04:27:29 PM
The principle of operation of the Akula device is a new type of LENR.

Unlike the Rossi system (which produces heat which is turned into electricity)
Akula produces electricity directly by consuming the ferrite core.


Not consuming the core...First consuming the core binder or wire insulation, a hydrocarbon byproduct I suspect.

"LENR occurs when mechanical phonons are impinged upon a hydrogen bearing liquid in contact with the metal matrix."

>
>There are interesting twists I've learnt from this recording:
>...
> 4. Lifetime of his devices is limited due to some kind of deterioration of ferrite cores. (They also heating up when units are operational).
>

---

In a final operating device I would insist on a designer replacing all large value electrolytic capacitors with tantalum polarized capacitors.
Read the history of electrolytic capacitors, to find out why...they are only approximations of capacitors.


:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 23, 2014, 06:54:31 PM
Hey TinselKoala,

My opinion stays un changed unfortunately, I can see it, I can feel it, my senses are not fibbing. Weather Div B = 0 or Div B != 0.

Sorry TinselKoala, I am firm on my findings on this one.

All the Best

  Chris

You don't know how happy that makes me.

By the way, what happens when you cut a bar magnet in half right at the Bloch Wall? Never mind, I already know the answer.

 ;)
Time for another cup of coffee....
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: havuhung on April 23, 2014, 07:00:36 PM
Hi All,

The above information I posted may be an entirely different circuit! On further investigation, I believe they, both IC Chips are TL494ln but I cant be certain of this.

All the best

  Chris
Hi EMJunkie,
You are correct, the screen capture image from video shows both the TL494 Chip.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 23, 2014, 07:14:30 PM
Do you realize how much energy is released in transmutation of 1kg of Fe or Co?

Use of the term 'transmutation' is, IMHO, incorrect.
I have read posts suggesting that Roman's unit is a sort of variation of LENR. It is not.

I can write a very long post explaining why not, but I am sure that you can find a better article on LENR than  I could ever write.

Have a look at this Mitsubishi pattern:
http://www.google.com/patents/EP1202290B1?cl=en&dq=Nuclide+transmutation+device+and+nuclide+transmutation+method+EP+1202290+B1&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vnQNU-KoEeHl2AXdpICICQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA

or just read a WiKi article and I am sure you'd agree with me.

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Nico8k on April 23, 2014, 08:19:26 PM
Hi @EMJunkie and All

I like your contributions, they are very constructive!

When I saw the last translation video of Wesley I realise that the core/transformer that Akula disassemble is very similar to the core in The E-Stress Power Generation System project.
Since I saw it, I have been searching on the web/overunity/energeticforum for anybody working on it but can't find anything.
I have very little knowledge on electronics, I work with computers.
The project is very well explained so please take a look, I know you can understand it.

Look for The E-Stress Power Generation System at the bottom of chapter 3 in www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl

http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html)

Thanks and good luck!

Nico

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 23, 2014, 08:31:21 PM
Use of the term 'transmutation' is, IMHO, incorrect.
I have read posts suggesting that Roman's unit is a sort of variation of LENR.
...and that "NR" in LENR is what kind of nuclear reaction: Alpha decay, ±Beta decay, EC, IC, Fission, Fusion, ...what ?

It is not.
I can write a very long post explaining why not, but I am sure that you can find a better article on LENR than  I could ever write.
I already am well educated on the subject of LENR.  A search for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions in solid matter induced by EM pulsing techniques leads to this (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/137301/) patent - a perfect match.

Anyway, why should I discuss LENR with you if you propose a different operational principle that you want to keep to yourself?

P.S.
I partially wrote that Wikipedia article.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Ed morbus on April 23, 2014, 10:41:51 PM
TL494 and CD4017 is used
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: AlienGrey on April 23, 2014, 10:42:49 PM
Hi all, on one of his video's i can see 494 on both chips, has any one managed to work out the circuit yet ?
Reading this thread recalled his experience of two years ago :
Two generators (70 -100kHz), with access to the key is two different windings of one transformer . The frequency difference is chosen approximately 50-100 Hz. With the output winding which has Mezhuyev primary turns ratio of 7:1 and the output is supplied to a low pass filter with a frequency bandwidth of about 0 - 500Hz.
When selecting a specific frequency load ( wire resistors ) had no effect on the current consumption and resonance processes in the transformer. Moreover, the output included even an ordinary diode bridge ( from LF diodes ) it worked perfectly .
Maybe that's the secret data flashlights.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 10:51:42 PM
You don't know how happy that makes me.

By the way, what happens when you cut a bar magnet in half right at the Bloch Wall? Never mind, I already know the answer.

 ;)
Time for another cup of coffee....

Hey TinselKoala,

Yes, I also know the answer. One could say the Bloch Wall is a result of the geometry/size of the Magnetic Field. Of course it is a little more complicated than that but the basic idea follows geometry/size.

All the Best

  Chris
 
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 23, 2014, 11:01:47 PM
Hi EMJunkie,
You are correct, the screen capture image from video shows both the TL494 Chip.

Nice Spotting Havuhung! Thanks.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: avalon on April 24, 2014, 02:26:09 AM
I partially wrote that Wikipedia article.

...and you've attached an unfulfilled patent from 1982 to prove that you are right?
I am not picking up a fight, just expressing my opinion. I've got yours.

~A
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: alejandroguille on April 24, 2014, 03:20:31 AM
Mmm...
akula videos disappeared?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 03:38:45 AM
Mmm...
akula videos disappeared?

Hi All,

I have started a YouTube Channel up just for Akula Videos. Please send me a private message and I will send you User Details so you can upload your Videos you have downloaded. This way we can keep the information flowing!

Channel: Akula Vids (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw)

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 24, 2014, 04:38:39 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 05:27:27 AM
Hey Dave,

I would like to be able to talk about this more, I just don't yet know enough about it yet. Negative Back EMF!!!

I Have had the pleasure of working with some Very smart people in my time. One person in particular had told me that if we have Positive Energy flowing in a Coil E.G Our Input, and we have another Coil sitting beside this coil then the other Coil can under some circumstances Induce a Negative Energy Flow.

Now I don't know enough yet but this certainly suggests this is true as I was told.

Richard Feynman said:
Quote
So you see that the real energy change is the negative of the mechanical work and that is why I keep writing this as E Artificial, because the true energy of the world is the negative of E Artificial in this case is μ.B, I just want to point out that difference in sign, but that interesting....

The Full Lecture can be heard here: V2 Ch15 Vector Potential.mp3 (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/V2%20Ch15%20Vector%20Potential.mp3)

So this means:

-mechanical work = E Artificial
true energy of the world = -E Artificial
μ.B = true energy of the world


It seems that Richard Feynman was trying to tell us something, that we have two types of Energy, artificial and True Energy of the World, or Universal Energy.

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 06:01:01 AM
Hi @EMJunkie and All

I like your contributions, they are very constructive!

When I saw the last translation video of Wesley I realise that the core/transformer that Akula disassemble is very similar to the core in The E-Stress Power Generation System project.
Since I saw it, I have been searching on the web/overunity/energeticforum for anybody working on it but can't find anything.
I have very little knowledge on electronics, I work with computers.
The project is very well explained so please take a look, I know you can understand it.

Look for The E-Stress Power Generation System at the bottom of chapter 3 in www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl

http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html)

Thanks and good luck!

Nico

Thanks Nico8k! I believe we can do it. If we all work together!

Welcome to the thread!

I have a friend that has worked on the E Stress... Its concepts in my opinion has merit. My friend was not able to get the E Stress working as it was laid out. There could be something missing that could be the key. I did have a look at it, but was working on other things at the time so could not concentrate too much on it.

Good Luck I hope you get it!

All the Best

  Chris

P.S. I am sorry if I miss anyone's post's. I nearly missed this one, so sorry, I don't mean to be rude. E-Mail me or PM me if you want?

P.P.S: I don't use energeticforum anymore since before the Aaron Murakami Scandal.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: havuhung on April 24, 2014, 06:30:47 AM
Hi all, on one of his video's i can see 494 on both chips, has any one managed to work out the circuit yet ?
Reading this thread recalled his experience of two years ago :
Two generators (70 -100kHz), with access to the key is two different windings of one transformer . The frequency difference is chosen approximately 50-100 Hz. With the output winding which has Mezhuyev primary turns ratio of 7:1 and the output is supplied to a low pass filter with a frequency bandwidth of about 0 - 500Hz.
When selecting a specific frequency load ( wire resistors ) had no effect on the current consumption and resonance processes in the transformer. Moreover, the output included even an ordinary diode bridge ( from LF diodes ) it worked perfectly .
Maybe that's the secret data flashlights.
Hi AlienGrey,
You still stored electrical circuit diagrams? you can share your diagrams.

Thanks
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 07:37:49 AM
Hi all, on one of his video's i can see 494 on both chips, has any one managed to work out the circuit yet ?
Reading this thread recalled his experience of two years ago :
Two generators (70 -100kHz), with access to the key is two different windings of one transformer . The frequency difference is chosen approximately 50-100 Hz. With the output winding which has Mezhuyev primary turns ratio of 7:1 and the output is supplied to a low pass filter with a frequency bandwidth of about 0 - 500Hz.
When selecting a specific frequency load ( wire resistors ) had no effect on the current consumption and resonance processes in the transformer. Moreover, the output included even an ordinary diode bridge ( from LF diodes ) it worked perfectly .
Maybe that's the secret data flashlights.

Hey AlienGrey,

Please see: #msg399108 (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/msg399108/#msg399108) on as we have posted several posts on this already. We worked out that the schematic in the video was not of the Circuit used and yes we did suspect that the chips were TL494's but as yet we can not prove it.

If you have any more information we would be very appreciative if you were able to share with us!

All the Best

  Chris

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 07:39:41 AM
Hi All,

Just a reminder:

Hi All,

I have started a YouTube Channel up just for Akula Videos. Please send me a private message and I will send you User Details so you can upload your Videos you have downloaded. This way we can keep the information flowing!

Channel: Akula Vids (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw)


All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: MenofFather on April 24, 2014, 07:50:52 AM
Hey MenofFather,

I think its not the correct Circuit anyway. I have attached pictures.

All the Best

  Chris.
Эта схема совсем от другой установки, он просто так подложил листок со схемой другой установки, а не этой. This circut is not that divice, other! http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/4046---2_2013-10-21.JPG
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134547-akula0083-soobshheniya.html?start=36 (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134547-akula0083-soobshheniya.html?start=36)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 08:06:14 AM
To All Forum and Lurker Math Gurus...

I want to ask all Gurus in Math to define in terms of device requirements what μ.B may represent?


Richard Feynman said:
Quote
So you see that the real energy change is the negative of the mechanical work and that is why I keep writing this as E Artificial, because the true energy of the world is the negative of E Artificial in this case is μ.B, I just want to point out that difference in sign, but that interesting....

The Full Lecture can be heard here: V2 Ch15 Vector Potential.mp3 (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/V2%20Ch15%20Vector%20Potential.mp3)

So this means:

-mechanical work = E Artificial
true energy of the world = -E Artificial
μ.B = true energy of the world


Where μ = Permeability and B Magnetic Field B. If we get Zero then we have a huge step forward in our work! For any required parameters if you just let me know what you need. Value of B could = 10. Value of μ may = 9500.

This probably should go on another thread? if so let me know guys.

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 08:08:12 AM
Эта схема совсем от другой установки, он просто так подложил листок со схемой другой установки, а не этой. This circut is not that divice, other! http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/3683/4046---2_2013-10-21.JPG
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134547-akula0083-soobshheniya.html?start=36 (http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134547-akula0083-soobshheniya.html?start=36)

Apologies,

Thanks for the info!

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Acca on April 24, 2014, 08:13:33 AM
 Chris !!!



here are links to the Akula clips that where removed  they are on a different channel unlisted..
 
 
http://youtu.be/lB1EvxzZYHU (http://youtu.be/lB1EvxzZYHU)
 
http://youtu.be/C4i08CpHvOE (http://youtu.be/C4i08CpHvOE)
 
http://youtu.be/wsi_stMmD5M (http://youtu.be/wsi_stMmD5M)
 
 
http://youtu.be/QJOi1rxUnbc (http://youtu.be/QJOi1rxUnbc)
 
http://youtu.be/M876H1ZwD2A (http://youtu.be/M876H1ZwD2A)
 
This clip is unlisted still on his channel.
 
Akula’s other video linked only with this address.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8vC0UL-XY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8vC0UL-XY)
 
Acca..
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: havuhung on April 24, 2014, 09:56:40 AM
Hi All,
Schematics diagram circuit for (Akula0083-Lantern No3-Disassembly) not found!
It seems that he did not upload Akula0083. . .
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 09:58:38 AM
Chris !!!



here are links to the Akula clips that where removed  they are on a different channel unlisted..
 
 
http://youtu.be/lB1EvxzZYHU (http://youtu.be/lB1EvxzZYHU)
 
http://youtu.be/C4i08CpHvOE (http://youtu.be/C4i08CpHvOE)
 
http://youtu.be/wsi_stMmD5M (http://youtu.be/wsi_stMmD5M)
 
 
http://youtu.be/QJOi1rxUnbc (http://youtu.be/QJOi1rxUnbc)
 
http://youtu.be/M876H1ZwD2A (http://youtu.be/M876H1ZwD2A)
 
This clip is unlisted still on his channel.
 
Akula’s other video linked only with this address.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8vC0UL-XY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8vC0UL-XY)
 
Acca..

Hey Acca,

Thanks Brother, I will download what I don't already have and then re-post them.

Thanks again!

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Acca on April 24, 2014, 11:14:40 AM
 Chris !!

Here is Ruslan Kulabuhov (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w) channel and his video clips, his method is that of Akula0083..


 
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w/videos)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59o_M6U9Un4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59o_M6U9Un4)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-OC9yFcCU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-OC9yFcCU)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Sf1pZuHn0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Sf1pZuHn0)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfVnJ1sEms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfVnJ1sEms)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PBVg5tDZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PBVg5tDZc)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bt74nGXi-I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bt74nGXi-I)
 
Acca…
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 11:50:51 AM
Chris !!

Here is Ruslan Kulabuhov (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w) channel and his video clips, his method is that of Akula0083..


 
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_zn0cdzv_qfsxQUm4e7R9w/videos)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59o_M6U9Un4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59o_M6U9Un4)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-OC9yFcCU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-OC9yFcCU)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Sf1pZuHn0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Sf1pZuHn0)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfVnJ1sEms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfVnJ1sEms)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PBVg5tDZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PBVg5tDZc)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afPQtDbn_3s)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bt74nGXi-I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bt74nGXi-I)
 
Acca…

Hey Acca,

Yeah have seen some of his videos. Thanks for the Links!

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 01:28:57 PM
Hi All,

I am going to go out on a limb just a little here. I watched a video today that I had not seen before. Its got some merit to it and also can be corroborated in another area.

The Video: Akula video #5 translated by Wesley. ( Free Energy device)  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLwcoSRnXsjhUx6qiNWM0E8vQI7aEGm3_o&feature=player_detailpage&v=PPHipGkfSAY)

The other information that can be cross referenced against is from: Gennady Markov - Bi-Directional Current Transformer (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Gennady%20Markov%20--%20bidirectional%20current%20transformer.doc)

He also has a Russian Patent: Gennady Markov - Bi-Directional Current Transformer: Patent CA2224708 (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/ca2224708.pdf)

I  just wonder if they could be more related than we know?

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 24, 2014, 01:54:55 PM
Quote
One person in particular had told me that if we have Positive Energy flowing in a Coil E.G Our Input, and we have another Coil sitting beside this coil then the other Coil can under some circumstances Induce a Negative Energy Flow.

Your friend knew more than he was telling, bounce the bemf between the two they will drive each other, and pull in extra energy.

One becomes pos charged and one becomes neg charged, they will pull apart the aether and collect energy.

An ionization circuit can be added to pull in some serious power.

Its about charge separation, spitting the aether then collecting.

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 24, 2014, 02:32:19 PM
Its about charge separation, spitting the aether then collecting.
So in your opinion aether not only exists, but it can be separated in two components.
I wonder why aether hasn't it slowed down the Earth as it plows through it in its orbit?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 24, 2014, 04:11:20 PM
Hi All,

I am going to go out on a limb just a little here. I watched a video today that I had not seen before. Its got some merit to it and also can be corroborated in another area.

The Video: Akula video #5 translated by Wesley. ( Free Energy device)  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLwcoSRnXsjhUx6qiNWM0E8vQI7aEGm3_o&feature=player_detailpage&v=PPHipGkfSAY)

The other information that can be cross referenced against is from: Gennady Markov - Bi-Directional Current Transformer (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Gennady%20Markov%20--%20bidirectional%20current%20transformer.doc)

He also has a Russian Patent: Gennady Markov - Bi-Directional Current Transformer: Patent CA2224708 (http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/ca2224708.pdf)

I  just wonder if they could be more related than we know?

All the Best

  Chris

Did you notice that the two waveform images you posted don't correspond? The waveform on the scope is not like the waveform in the diagram. Look at where the zero-crossings are.  In the diagram all signals are out of phase.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 24, 2014, 04:47:01 PM
Hi All,

IC's and parts of the Circuit are attached, I don't see the Half H-Bridge chip on the board? Anyway we work with what we have currently. See the Below Zip File!

This info is from: Free Energy April 2014 Akula0083 Lantern No3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2sN2o4grc) - Appears to be the same circuit.

All the Best

  Chris

P.S: For those that have not read my previous posts, I think you may find them worth a skim over, please read if you get time as the information has taken me a long time to put together.

Hi Chris,

I am not able to unzip the file you posted, can you re-post it again. Thanks.
Oscar.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 24, 2014, 05:11:06 PM
How many times do we have to go through this?

The first image below is from the video.

The second image below is from the data sheet. Do you  see now the "mirror image" ?  The GAP contains the adjustment pot and the LED. The DC output terminals are closest to this gap, NOT THE EDGE OF THE PSU. This is confirmed by both data sheets.

If you want to argue this point please provide some new data that contradicts the data sheets and the photographs !!

THE DC terminals are nearer the center of the unit. The terminals closest to the edge are the AC MAINS input terminals.

Do you have trouble displaying images inline?

This one looks more like it, it has the POT on the right side and the input on the left...

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-5A-25W-Switching-Power-Supply-110V-220V-AC-to-DC-5V-Adapter-For-LED-Strip/1754693305.html

Oscar.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: TinselKoala on April 24, 2014, 05:15:55 PM
And it has the mains input closest to the edge of the case and the DC output closest to the "gap" containing the pot and the LED. Just as I have always said, just as both the data sheets I've posted indicate, just as is standard for this type of PSU...

Thanks, Oscar...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 24, 2014, 05:34:16 PM
I think this in a new video ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmP_Y0Le6Wg

Osca.r
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 24, 2014, 06:17:52 PM
I believe this is the schematics !!!!  :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: havuhung on April 24, 2014, 06:44:31 PM
Hi Thestone,

Your circuit diagram is different from above Akula0083 new video! Consider carefully you will notice. . .

Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 24, 2014, 06:54:20 PM
Hi Thestone,

Your circuit diagram is different from above Akula0083 new video! Consider carefully you will notice. . .

Yes you are right, sorry...  :-[

But I think we have some of the schematic on the video, maybe another guys can figure more out...
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: havuhung on April 24, 2014, 07:43:31 PM
Hi Thestone,
Well, it does not matter, because the circuit board of this guy keeps changing!  I'm still trying to find the circuit diagram for the new video of Akula0083. . . :D
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 24, 2014, 08:06:53 PM
Hi Thestone,
Well, it does not matter, because the circuit board of this guy keeps changing!  I'm still trying to find the circuit diagram for the new video of Akula0083. . . :D

That will be great if someone can find it!!! with it I am sure we can replicate it, as we have the video of how he makes the coils with a flyback transformer core, I wonder where I can buy just the core's of flyback transformers, I just bought the Power supply from china.

 :)
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 10:47:49 PM
Did you notice that the two waveform images you posted don't correspond? The waveform on the scope is not like the waveform in the diagram. Look at where the zero-crossings are.  In the diagram all signals are out of phase.

Hey TinselKoala,

Yes, I was more so meaning the similarity between them and not so much the lack of. In the documents I posted, they also explain the similarity's between the field structures (Opposing or a term antiphase) and how they can be used.

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Your friend knew more than he was telling, bounce the bemf between the two they will drive each other, and pull in extra energy.

One becomes pos charged and one becomes neg charged, they will pull apart the aether and collect energy.

An ionization circuit can be added to pull in some serious power.

Its about charge separation, spitting the aether then collecting.

Hey Dave,

I don't yet know for sure, but I can imagine something like this going on also!

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 24, 2014, 11:03:39 PM
Hi Thestone,
Well, it does not matter, because the circuit board of this guy keeps changing!  I'm still trying to find the circuit diagram for the new video of Akula0083. . . :D

TinselKoala, Thestone and havuhung,

Nice Spotting on the power supply and good find on the schematics!

The Channel: Akula Vids (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe-rV_geumWg3VXqgZ9pjvw/videos) is a Channel I created and have been uploading Akula0083 videos too.

If you have an Akula Video that  have not already uploaded then let me know and I will send you the User details to upload.

Call it safeguarding the videos for all out there!

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: alejandroguille on April 24, 2014, 11:06:15 PM
Someone has the last diagram akula 1 watt?
Which has a single IC.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 24, 2014, 11:12:03 PM
Someone has the last diagram akula 1 watt?
Which has a single IC.
You mean this one (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/137291/) with the 14-pin DIP chip entirely disconnected?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 24, 2014, 11:14:45 PM
So in your opinion aether not only exists, but it can be separated in two components.
I wonder why aether hasn't it slowed down the Earth as it plows through it in its orbit?

The outer layer ionosphere is pos the earth is neg the dielectric layer the atmosphere is the air you breath.
When two particles of opposite polarity join they become neutral this forms the dielectric layer, this is the aether and yes you have to separated it to collect it.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: alejandroguille on April 24, 2014, 11:17:40 PM
You mean this one (http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator/dlattach/attach/137291/) with the 14-pin DIP chip entirely disconnected?

That same!
Thank you!
You could make it work?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: verpies on April 25, 2014, 12:04:38 AM
When two particles of opposite polarity join they become neutral this forms the dielectric layer, this is the aether and yes you have to separated it to collect it.
but why would separating these charges require less work than collecting and joining them back together ?
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: gyulasun on April 25, 2014, 12:13:11 AM
Folks,

have you seen Stefan's post here on Akula's 1kW video?

http://www.overunity.com/13863/stivep1-tesla-rehash-akula-device/msg399414/#msg399414
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Dave45 on April 25, 2014, 12:27:52 AM
but why would separating these charges require less work than collecting and joining them back together ?
A simple ionization circuit separates the aether, pos and neg charged coils can do the same. Put the two together.

We can charge two electrodes pos and neg, we can charge two coils pos and neg

Opposites attract so a neg charged coil will have a pos return, which we see all the time, some are calling it radiant energy, cold electricity and countless other names.

A pos charged coil will have a neg return, the missing component  :)

When we us a battery to pulse a coil we are using neg electrons this gives the coil an overall neg charge its return will be pos.

Your already seeing it Iv noticed it in your posts, you will put it all together.
Nuclear Magnetic Resonance maybe
I see Nuclear Aether Separation already happening in our circuits.
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 25, 2014, 01:39:41 AM
Folks,

have you seen Stefan's post here on Akula's 1kW video?

http://www.overunity.com/13863/stivep1-tesla-rehash-akula-device/msg399414/#msg399414

If I am not mistaken, this is the same person....

That is why all new videos of Akula have the "Steho Energy AG" as a splash screen...

http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Steho_Energy_AG

It looks like these german people bought into the work of these two russian guys, and they maybe deleting all videos...



Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 25, 2014, 01:43:33 AM
If I am not mistaken, this is the same person....

http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Steho_Energy_AG

Hey Thestone,

Can you please explain further? What do you mean "this is the same person"? Do you think this person is Akula?

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Thestone on April 25, 2014, 01:55:53 AM
Hey Thestone,

Can you please explain further? What do you mean "this is the same person"? Do you think this person is Akula?

All the Best

  Chris

if you see this video, you will see the same person on the http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Steho_Energy_AG (use chrome to translate automaticly)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWWXNwpEwsk

It looks like these german people bought into the work of these two russian guys, and they maybe deleting all videos...


Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 25, 2014, 02:03:48 AM
Hey Thestone,

Can you please explain further? What do you mean "this is the same person"? Do you think this person is Akula?

All the Best

  Chris

Apologies, I think I see what you're saying: Arthur Tränkle of Steho Energy AG (http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Datei:Arthur_Tr%C3%A4nkle.png)

Yes, I see dirty old $100+ Nike shoes for kicking around the yard he has on! spells doom for free distribution of information on this device maybe?

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Acca on April 25, 2014, 04:23:58 AM
    Hello everyone,

 
Saturday 04/26/2014 18:00 19:00
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 Scheduled conference with Akula0083 in Teamspeak globalwave.us
 
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 Что за тимспик и как им пользоваться?
 вот тут все объясняется ....
 
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Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: Acca on April 25, 2014, 05:13:54 AM
 to: Thestone
It's possible that you are right ! clips removed !!

http://www.borderlands.de/net_pdf/NET0911S4-15.pdf (http://www.borderlands.de/net_pdf/NET0911S4-15.pdf)
 
Here is attached pdf.  in German about this “latest clip” from Wesley.  I think his name is Arthur Trankle…
 
You have to cut and paste the sections that you want to read from this document in Google translate..
 This is from 2011.

 Acca..[/font]
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 25, 2014, 05:18:00 AM
Hello everyone,

Saturday 04/26/2014 18:00 19:00
Moscow Kiev

 Scheduled conference with Akula0083 in Teamspeak globalwave.us
 
 What a Teamspeak and how to use it?
 everything is explained here ....
 
 globalwave.us / index.php / GlobalWave: FAQ: VoiceChat
 
 Connect via:
 globalwave.no-ip.org

//....
 

Hey Acca,

Thanks a ton for the info! I wonder if anyone is able to translate it for the non Russian Speaking People out there like me?

Its very good information to have. Thanks again!

All the Best

  Chris
Title: Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator.
Post by: EMJunkie on April 25, 2014, 05:37:15 AM
Hi Everyone,

This is a short piece of information that I want to pass to you all as a heads up  :).

In the past I have been contacted by various people out there and asked to work for them. These people are typically small EXTREMELY WELL FUNDED groups of scientists, Finance, PR and general Dust Kickers. These people, I can only surmise, work for the big corporates, and keep people off the streets so to speak.

Their PR Guys ID devices or technology that may be 'of use' and make contact with the inventors and befriend them.

The Scientists identify the device's or Technology and access it - to see if 'Something needs to be done!'

Then they run circles around the Poor Dumb Inventor and wrap it up so tight that they don't know what to do in the mornings when they get up. Some turn to Booze/Drugs, like a well known identity most of you have no doubt seen a lot of publicity on lately.

So I urge you and all others following - Don't get tied up in this game they play. You can see it a mile awa