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Author Topic: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2  (Read 38984 times)

Offline norman6538

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #210 on: January 03, 2017, 04:26:31 AM »
As I was going to sleep I got it Floor.
my labels will be mags 1-5 left to right.
r = repel a = attract and NS north south poles.

1(NS) r 2(SN) a 3(SN) r 4(NS) a 5(NS)
then 2 and 4 drop down leaving 3 like this

1(NS) r               3(SN)             r 5(NS)

so 3 will twist from the 2 r repel forces on both sides BUT
notice the further weaker problem.......

then we have


1(NS) a               3(NS)             a 5(NS)

and we lift/push 2,4 back in place giving


1(NS) r 2(SN) r 3(NS) a 4(NS) a 5(NS)

so we can fully reset 3 with a twist and be ready for
another cycle...

VERY  CLEVER BUT FURTHER WEAKER is the gotcha...

The real story will be in the measurements which must include
the work required for the 2/4 drop and lift back and the 1 twist to reset.

Norman

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #210 on: January 03, 2017, 04:26:31 AM »

Offline Floor

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #211 on: January 03, 2017, 04:55:25 PM »
More .............

Please find the 4 attached png files

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #212 on: January 03, 2017, 05:06:25 PM »
Or just use the moving magnets to influence coils that charge caps ,and then dump the caps to get by the sticky spot.
I don't think anything is impossible.
artv
You can charge capacitors using magnets and coils. In general a generator that deliver energy into capacitors. The energy needed to do this is given from the capacitance and the voltage. Considering the resistance in the coil, the loss from eddy currents, and magnetic hysteresis, you must add more energ to the rotor, than the energy you put into the capacitor. This loss due to complexity into the system will lower the efficiency compared to not using capacitors at all.


@Floor
You are right about the topic. No need to counter fight the ideas. I will stop doing that now, and whish you good luck instead ;-)
I would however strongly recommend that you build it to see how it really works. Theories remains theories as long they are not tested in real life. Only then you can accept the theory as right or false.


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Offline Floor

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #213 on: January 03, 2017, 08:18:34 PM »
@LowQ

See the photos at

http://overunity.com/14311/work-from-2-magnets-19-output-2/msg489549/#msg489549

Give me some real questions / ideas, related to the TD unit and I will be glad to chat.

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #214 on: January 03, 2017, 08:37:03 PM »
@LowQ

See the photos at

http://overunity.com/14311/work-from-2-magnets-19-output-2/msg489549/#msg489549

Give me some real questions / ideas, related to the TD unit and I will be glad to chat.

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                                    floor
Oh, sorry. I have been watching this thread before, but totally forgot what it was all about. So I totally missed out that you actually have built and built all the time. Keep it up. Nice to see that someone actualy is building something :-)


I have no ideas or questions to add this far.


Vidar

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #214 on: January 03, 2017, 08:37:03 PM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #215 on: January 04, 2017, 09:21:53 PM »
@All interested

I'm not very concerned that the correct work formulas have not been applied
up to this point, of if they continue to be.

But here is a description of a method of calculating joules
when the force applied changes non uniformly over distance.

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #216 on: January 05, 2017, 12:18:59 AM »
If you are using rotation then the distance per degree is

(2*radius*pi)/360

so 12 inches is
(2×12×π)÷360 = 0.20943951 inches per degree

1.047197551 inches per 5 degrees

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #216 on: January 05, 2017, 12:18:59 AM »
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Offline lumen

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #217 on: January 05, 2017, 01:00:48 AM »
@floor

I changed my testing setup to be more ridgid and altered the process order of recording the data along with a new digital force guage and now the findings are closer to what I expected.
The tests that once indicated a gain of over 13% were repeated along with several other interactions that I thought would indicate a path of gain and at this time nothing has shown a gain of over 3% and in fact the test results varied from about +2.5% to a -2.5% depending on the test.
To me, the results indicate no gain with any path I have tested so far.
Next I plan to setup for the TD data collection and hope the data indicates a different result.
I will be using neo's which may have a different result than your findings with ceramic magnets, but it's a good place to start.




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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #218 on: January 05, 2017, 02:04:57 AM »
@Webby

It is  0.27925  mm of weight travel per degree on my device.

        thanks

Also I reworked the first page of my last PNG file post (two pages)  I think it's
statemennt is more clearly made now.  I could use  feed back on it.
The reworked version of page 1 is posted below.

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #219 on: January 05, 2017, 02:15:19 AM »
@Lumen

wow sounds fantastic !
Thanks for the up date. 

Would you mind starting / dedicating a new topic to your
next test sets ?

Lumens TD test or name it as you like ?

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #219 on: January 05, 2017, 02:15:19 AM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #220 on: January 05, 2017, 02:19:29 AM »
@Norman6538

Thanks Norman.

Lets keep figureing it out.

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Re: Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2
« Reply #221 on: January 05, 2017, 07:04:35 AM »
@floor

I changed my testing setup to be more ridgid and altered the process order of recording the data along with a new digital force guage and now the findings are closer to what I expected.
The tests that once indicated a gain of over 13% were repeated along with several other interactions that I thought would indicate a path of gain and at this time nothing has shown a gain of over 3% and in fact the test results varied from about +2.5% to a -2.5% depending on the test.
To me, the results indicate no gain with any path I have tested so far.
Next I plan to setup for the TD data collection and hope the data indicates a different result.
I will be using neo's which may have a different result than your findings with ceramic magnets, but it's a good place to start.
+/- 2.5% sounds reasonable. That just means the measurements are made properly, and typical output is in average 0 - as expected with a closed loop system.


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