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Title: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: NTesla on January 29, 2014, 06:31:49 AM
Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor

On December 14, 2013, Pakistani inventor, Wasif Kahloon posted the following video showing rotation with output through a generator allegedly 3.5 kW, powering two heating elements as well as a fan (attached to this post is a screen shot from the video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yodY1jH5j-I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCMuDBajFjU

Description


"Magnet Machine by Wasif Kahloon, which produces free energy. No input of energy from outside is required in this setup. This is a new patented invention and through this invention we hope to address the energy crises. It will be available in the market shortly for personal, industrial and public uses to produce electrical and mechanical energy."

Source: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Wasif_Kahloon%27s_Magnet_Motor (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Wasif_Kahloon%27s_Magnet_Motor)

Comment


Is this a fake? Another 'Perendev' design that never comes to fruition? Or the real deal?

The video (of course!) does not attempt to prove lack of fraud. The AC generator part of the setup could actually just be an electric motor powered by batteries hidden within it or powered externally by hidden wires. In addition, the metallic nature of the setup (unless it's austenitic) implies lots of eddy drag.

However, assuming this is legit, the magnet generator looks simple enough to replicate assuming you have enough magnets, suitable materials, and time on your hands to experiment with magnet positions, which judging from the design, does require alot of experimentation to achieve.

I gave up on the idea of pursuing a 'Perendev' type design because of the many alleged failures of other people to replicate it.

What do you think?  8)
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: penno64 on January 29, 2014, 07:51:16 AM
How we wish this is for real.

Notice the use of the word -  Pendulum and the rocking action of the stator. Is this the way over the sticky spot?

Regards, Penno
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: tinman on January 30, 2014, 01:46:46 PM
Notice the 50/60 htz hum when he starts the machine up.
Also,i see only holes in the so called magnet motor-where are the magnet's?.Looks more like some one run amouk with the drill on some ali disk.

What a disaster this fake is.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2014, 02:18:09 PM
Well.
I spoke with Wassif this AM,He is a most sincere and dedicated Man
looking to help the people of Pakistan with this Technology.
 When I asked if there was any more information on his invention He said first it will be sold very cheaply in Pakistan
and then  He will open source to the world !
 
I have seen similar designs from Korea about 7-yrs ago [I think Erhfinder posted that vid?}
Thx
Chet
 
 
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Paul-R on January 30, 2014, 02:44:20 PM
Did he mention power in and power out figures?
It looks like an elaborate and expensive device to make.
What countries has he patented (or applied for) in?
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on January 30, 2014, 03:54:05 PM
Fake. Not worthy of further consideration.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2014, 04:01:00 PM
Paul
He acted as if there would be no patent [I could be wrong ] however He was emphatic about "Marketing"  to Pakistan first and then "Open release"to the world.
 
He does not need any help, apparently the resources are in place
as well as the proof of concept.
 
He Seems a genuinely good person looking to do the right thing with his work.
 
 
thx
Chet
PS
I made the call short because I used a phone card for the call and it would normally have been good for 10 hrs to anywhere in the world, however
it told me "Eight minutes for this call" just pryor to connecting [Must be a cell phone number on his end].
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
Tinsel
Quote
""Fake. Not worthy of further consideration.""
 ---------------------
Now you Sound like the US president's comments on all the recent Data "against" Global warming! 
 
Thx
Chet
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on January 30, 2014, 05:14:27 PM
If you _really think_ that it IS worth further consideration: It's easy to prove that this device is a fake.

Not so, with the climate data or the effects of our own emissions on the climate.

Why don't you contribute to a fund to send Sterling Allan to Pakistan to take a look? We trust him, right?

 ;)

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He Seems a genuinely good person looking to do the right thing with his work.

What, you mean he wasn't wearing his Con Man uniform and badge? Sorry, but just how exactly would you expect a good con-man faker to "seem" when he's talking to someone he's trying to convince?

Come on, look at the video of the device. He is recycling stuff somebody else built and discarded. Look at the way the shafts are coupled together. Would someone who can drill holes in the edges of big aluminum discs actually couple shafts together with _electrical tape and hoseclamps_?

Well, maybe in Pakistan.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2014, 05:33:59 PM
There is no doubt the Desparity of the build Begs questioning.
 
 
However I did not get the feeling he was looking for help or finance in any way.
 
perhaps an impromto presentation cobbled together for an opportune moment in front of the camera?
 
Yes it is a very Odd Mix.....
 
Thx
Chet
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Paul-R on January 30, 2014, 06:38:31 PM

He acted as if there would be no patent [I could be wrong]

The Peswiki link says:

"Magnet Machine by Wasif Kahloon, which produces free energy. No input of energy from outside is required in this setup. This is a new patented invention and through this invention we hope to address the energy crises"
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on January 30, 2014, 06:39:16 PM
Well.
I spoke with Wassif this AM,He is a most sincere and dedicated Man
looking to help the people of Pakistan with this Technology.
 When I asked if there was any more information on his invention He said first it will be sold very cheaply in Pakistan
and then  He will open source to the world !
 
I have seen similar designs from Korea about 7-yrs ago [I think Erhfinder posted that vid?}
Thx
Chet


Hello all,


ok if you can give me his cell no. i will call him and personally visit his place to see his invention and will told you guys then, may be some close photos and videos if he permitted.


i think his invention is not fake. it looks to me like Yaldez Mameer setup.


Bye for now
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2014, 07:02:31 PM
DJ
His Contact number is in the you tube info .
 
Any problems PM Me
thx
Chet
 
 
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on January 30, 2014, 07:18:45 PM
DJ
His Contact number is in the you tube info .
 
Any problems PM Me
thx
Chet


Thanks Chet i will contact him tomarrow.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: e2matrix on January 30, 2014, 08:33:44 PM
Fake. Not worthy of further consideration.
So what makes you think it is fake?   Just because you think it is not possible or not possible a lesser wealth Pakistani person to make something that works?    Or do you see some trickery in that video?   I personally didn't see any chance of outside wires or power that could be running it.   But with enough  persistence and motive anything can be faked.   I don't see this guy has any motive to fake this.  First one he sells will tell the story if it doesn't work.   
Thanks Chet for believing enough to give the guy a call.   And thanks much to DilJalaay for looking into this in person!   I look forward to any details you may be able to share. 

Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on January 30, 2014, 10:04:03 PM
So what makes you think it is fake? 

Because it is, on the face of it, impossible according to well established laws of physics. Therefore, for me to believe it I need to see some real data. Not the usual jumbled video of something lighting up some lights. There is no real data in the video, and what is in the video is so easily faked I can think of three ways to do it without even trying. But there is no way that anyone can think of to make a Perendev-Yildiz-etc magnet motor work.

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Just because you think it is not possible or not possible a lesser wealth Pakistani person to make something that works?

Let me put it this way: I do not think that a poorly educated person making a poorly constructed machine and demonstrating it in the poorest manner possible could make something that works. In Pakistan, France or Texas.

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Or do you see some trickery in that video?

The fact that I do NOT see obvious trickery means he's an adequate trickster. They can't all be Mylows, you know. 

But... take a look at the first frames of the video. Note how the plywood board is NOT quite flat to the ground over near where it's pushed up against the wall or doorway. Why isn't it flat on the ground? What's under that piece of plywood? An extension cord, perhaps, leading over into the next room? 

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I personally didn't see any chance of outside wires or power that could be running it. 


Which is more probable, seriously: hidden wires, or a real violation of conservation of energy produced in a workshop in Pakistan?

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But with enough  persistence and motive anything can be faked.   I don't see this guy has any motive to fake this.  First one he sells will tell the story if it doesn't work.   


You don't see the motive? I'll bet you dollars to donuts that he has already made a profit.

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Thanks Chet for believing enough to give the guy a call.   And thanks much to DilJalaay for looking into this in person!   I look forward to any details you may be able to share.

Sure, me too. It will be especially interesting to see what the Pakistani Taliban will do with a Free Energy device.

Think about it.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2014, 11:14:20 PM
Tinsel
The Pakistani are a wonderful Hard working People ,I never met one whom I would not gladly share the planet with ,and believe me in NYC and surrounds I have met Plenty.
 
Please don't take this thread there............
 
Regarding Fraud...selling a product In Pakistan, the consequence is not like the rest of the world they take honesty and intedgrity to a level which I would love to see more of here in the states.
 
thx
Chet
 
 
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: NTesla on January 31, 2014, 12:26:12 AM

Thanks Chet i will contact him tomarrow.

As a suggestion...if you could first and foremost ask him to post a video that addresses the concerns of fraud, inc. hidden power sources such as wires, batteries hidden inside the 'alternator' etc then this would mean he does not have to disclose the IP of his invention (that is not already disclosed) while demonstrating to us that the invention has validity. This more tactful approach is likely to have more success than just an outright request for the 'secrets' of his design. Any reluctance on his part to disprove fraud is a strong indicator that the design is indeed fake.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on January 31, 2014, 07:54:44 AM
i talked with him, he says he will upload an other video soon, to clear all the doughts.


His facebook is open now.


They are a group of engineers , lawyers, x judges etc. they want this tech open source. i found him
not intrusted in money or businees etc. he say that he will open source it soon.



Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on January 31, 2014, 07:55:32 AM
i talked with him, he says he will upload an other video soon, to clear all the doughts.


His facebook is open now.


They are a group of engineers , lawyers, x judges etc. they want this tech open source. i found him
not intrusted in money or businees etc. he say that he will open source it soon.


if i got time i will go to his place 600km.

by the way it is clear that he is not the main person. behind the scene are some other people.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: LibreEnergia on January 31, 2014, 08:35:46 AM

if i got time i will go to his place 600km.

It looks entirely fake to me. The curiously shaped board it is mounted on is pushed hard against the door. I would wager he is using it to conceal a power cord fed from a power source in the next room.

Such video demonstrations a simply not credible evidence.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: e2matrix on January 31, 2014, 07:21:58 PM
Because it is, on the face of it, impossible according to well established laws of physics.
It seems to me well established laws are being broken a lot lately.  A well established idea from scientists some hundred years ago was that man could never fly in a heavier than air craft. 


 
Therefore, for me to believe it I need to see some real data. Not the usual jumbled video of something lighting up some lights. There is no real data in the video, and what is in the video is so easily faked I can think of three ways to do it without even trying. But there is no way that anyone can think of to make a Perendev-Yildiz-etc magnet motor work.
 Let me put it this way: I do not think that a poorly educated person making a poorly constructed machine and demonstrating it in the poorest manner possible could make something that works. In Pakistan, France or Texas.
That's quite a leap in thinking to say he is poorly educated.   Do you think all Pakistani are poorly educated.  This guy speaks two languages and English well enough that IMO that makes him educated more than many Americans.

 
  The fact that I do NOT see obvious trickery means he's an adequate trickster. They can't all be Mylows, you know. 

But... take a look at the first frames of the video. Note how the plywood board is NOT quite flat to the ground over near where it's pushed up against the wall or doorway. Why isn't it flat on the ground? What's under that piece of plywood? An extension cord, perhaps, leading over into the next room? 

I've seen lots of warped plywood.  He needed the generator to be held down to something or it would likely have vibrated around and less likely to stay in line with the magnet motor.   Is it possible he was  hiding a wire ?   Sure that's possible but I find it less likely.   How are you going to sell anything if people immediately find it doesn't work?   As Chet points out they have a lot of integrity not commonly found in many places.   That seems 'less likely' to me that it is being faked.   But as always there are those who believe most people are basically good and those who believe most people are basically bad.   

 
  Which is more probable, seriously: hidden wires, or a real violation of conservation of energy produced in a workshop in Pakistan? 
I guess you didn't read Professor Pappas' info I referred you to on the conservation of energy.    COE is more hogwash or should I say brainwashing.

 
  You don't see the motive? I'll bet you dollars to donuts that he has already made a profit.
   We can all make assumptions.   I won't say any more about that.


 
  Sure, me too. It will be especially interesting to see what the Pakistani Taliban will do with a Free Energy device.
Think about it.
That setup is a long way from being a weapon.   But maybe they will be spending more time watching TV and have less interest in their guns.   And with more of their needs easily met maybe they'll be a lot less angry.   At least we could hope but I seriously doubt that it will be any concern for any time in the near future.     BTW I wouldn't normally respond to all your comments but for me it was more of an exercise in trying the multi-quote setup which I have not used (in a long time if at all).   Easy as pie  ;)
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: e2matrix on January 31, 2014, 08:02:31 PM
Some info from Professor Pappas corrected for typos (he is Greek):
"Clear over Energy with every spark

click here to see photos (not available in this quote)

Over Maxwell electrodynamics, Weber electrodynamics,
 (which weber modified, axiomatically, the Ampere force,
 to include unecessarilly and ironically the Faraday induction,
 and ironically the self destructive, for his theory,
 conservation of energy, (which is, also, an axiomtiical dogma
 for classical physics, definetely invalid for us and our
 present and past experiments), reference: J.P. Wesley, Foundations
 of Physics letters, vol.3, no.5, 1990, vol.3, no.6, 1990.)
 after, the experimental verification of energy dramatic increase,
 (measured by Pappas, see schemtic 5), implying non conservtion of energy.
 Though, Faraday's induction is a theoretical prediction of
 Ampere's electrodynamics based on the Ampere force alone,
 and ignored by Weber and Maxwell !
 See also schemtic 5 and its remarks.
your corrections, your questions, your remarks: 

"i do not understand this", your congratulations, your  criticism, your
objections: are welcomed.  Dare to speak to me, dare to argue with me
pseudo-super race, what you can not understand !  What do you expect to
understand,  if you are unable to to understand some of these, so obvious
conclusions your self ?   I can defend proudly all I claim !

As, I am not interested and have no time visiting the pages of
layman of social net meeting, (i.e. face book,... etc), by myself,
if it happens to want (to communicate with me) so, you should invite me
personally first by an e-mail to do so:
mailto:ppappas@papimi.com

 
Pappas-Amperian electrodynamics, the only real and correct electrodynamics.
      Free  energy and Papimi

Pappas revelation of the Ampere's hidden and covered cardinal law
of electromotive or motional force:

note: do not confuse the Ampere cardinal law with the mislabeled Ampere law
which is his circuital law.

The secret Ampere cardinal law generates energy and the whole electrodynamics,
and more, by the proofs of P.T. Pappas.

The central and key theorem that the scientists of planet earth
do not know, for the secret law below and the force law of lorentz:
 click here soon

The most important law of electrodynamics, the secret and hidden Ampere cardinal law,
not found in any contemporary book, the greatest mistake and imperfection of classical electromagnetism:
(image of formula could not be copied as it was a .jpg and can't be pasted in this test on OU)
(last part of formula below - see http://papimi.gr/ to see the rest - just search
for above text "imperfection of classical electromagnetism" to find area where formula is posted)
=rdq1dq2/c  2r  34pe0){c  2-{2v2.v1-3r-2(v2.r)(v1.r)}
including the Coulomb law.
This is one law equation, generates energy, makes modern electrodynamics,
from which, all 4-5 equations in cases when they are correct, -axioms of J.C. Maxwell,
assumed father of today's electromagnetism and more unknown and
exclusive electrodynamic effects, may be deuced.

Say no to field theory, definitely no to the wrong concept of magnetic field b.
Say yes, instead to the cardinal law of Ampere.
Say no to the Lorentz formula, particular to those cases,
which the Lorentz is not equivalent to the universally correct law of Ampere,
predicting more things than the Maxwelian electromagnetism,
to be revealed by us, soon.

The wrong, for individual currents (individual electrons),
formula of Lorentz, found in every book, not though so,
the much superior formula of Ampere:

(again formula is in a .jpg so can't be posted here - see my note above for directions to view it)

Huge mistake and imperfection of electromagnetism,
Geynman, Nobel laureate, attempted to corrected it by another mistake, the existence
of virtual photons of quantum electrodynamics. For god shake virtual reality in physics !
Oor better para-physics !
Einstein, another Nobel laureate, erroneously and ironically, adopted "relativity", for it !
for more see http://papimi.gr  ,  http://papimi.gr/tek.htm  and many more pages there on papami.gr.   Many typos on the pages but tons of information if you can get by the spelling errors ( I assume because English is not his native language and just the sheer volume of info there leads me to believe he spits this stuff out at a very fast rate and doesn't know where the Backspace key is ;)   )
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2014, 08:24:21 PM
That's pretty funny, coming from someone who is typing at a computer -- which device is designed according to, its behavior predicted accurately by, it is constructed by devices operating using.... the very principles and dynamics that Pappas rejects !

Yet I don't see anything that is correspondingly designed or predicted by Pappas's alternative to conventional physics, that isn't already covered by what he's rejecting.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2014, 08:30:42 PM
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That setup is a long way from being a weapon.

That's the silliest thing I've read yet. Of course it's a fake, but IF IT WERE REAL..... it is IMMEDIATELY useful to bad people who have things like AK47s and RPGs. Even with its silly taped-up shaft junction.
And it's immediately very interesting to people like, for example, Mossad, the CIA, and whatever they call the KGB in Russia these days. Does the fact that they haven't snapped up this fellow (and those behind him) and installed him in a secret underground laboratory, perhaps indicate a certain strange Non-Interest? Yet we all know what a boon to any country's National Security such a device and principle would really mean. Or some of us do, anyway.
Look up, will you, the cost of a liter of Diesel fuel or kerosene at the sharp end of the stick up in the mountains of Pakistan and Afghanistan. You might be surprised.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: wings on January 31, 2014, 08:53:57 PM

if i got time i will go to his place 600km.

by the way it is clear that he is not the main person. behind the scene are some other people.

thanks :)


If everyone is thinking
alike, then somebody
isn’t thinking.
General George S. Patton
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on January 31, 2014, 09:48:39 PM
thanks :)


If everyone is thinking
alike, then somebody
isn’t thinking.
General George S. Patton


Lets wait and enjoy some pepCi KoLa, coCa KoLa. ;D
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Liberty on January 31, 2014, 10:12:01 PM
I'm impressed by how strong the gentleman must be to be capable of spinning by hand so easily, a 3kw alternator with a load attached to it.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on January 31, 2014, 10:29:04 PM
I'm impressed by how strong the gentleman must be to be capable of spinning by hand so easily, a 3kw alternator with a load attached to it.


No. no force needed initially because outer magnet cage was open, and easy to spin.
And after that moment of  spin he immediately closes the upper magnet cage.


Long long ago i found and intrusting video on YT exacltly basis of this setup.
I am trying to find it, if i sussed i will post the link.



Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 02, 2014, 08:08:39 AM
I'm impressed by how strong the gentleman must be to be capable of spinning by hand so easily, a 3kw alternator with a load attached to it.
Give that man a prize!
Note that there are no switches visible between the "generator" and the alleged 3kW of load.
Note that 3kW at 80 rpm = 8.38r/s requires 358 N*m of torque = 264 lb ft.  Yet the operator easily moves the "generator" shaft with gentle movements of his hand.

The device he calls a "generator" is actually the motor.
The device he calls the motor is nothing.  It is there for show.  It is turned by the "generator".
The power for his heating elements comes from the power source for the "generator" which is most certainly hidden wires.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: mscoffman on February 02, 2014, 10:52:32 PM
What is really needed is a mechanical shaft to shaft coupler with a torque
comparator and shaft direction measurement that produces an indicator
arrow display that indicates which direction the torque vector flows to.

It's just too easy to have a generator be a motor or vice versa.

If I where to design a fake it would have two modes. One to make the
magnet part operate unloaded to fool Sterling. And a then reed switch
to let "generator" shaft run from utility power along with the other stuff.

What I would need for video proof of operation is:

What I would need to see on the Internet is the device suspended from
the ceiling on a relatively clear nylon rope(s) with two infrared bathroom light/heat bulbs
pointed downward onto a device on UPS that can detect a one second infrared light
drop out and turn on an indicator lamp (on utility power) if it detects that happening.
Next to it a clock that can read 24 hours time and date. A locked room etc. A piece
of cardboard before and after the run would be used to interrupt the infrared optical
beam and show that the detector works.

This would not be proof but as close to proof as possible on the internet.
It would help put the critics on notice that their jig is nearly up.

I need this as proof for every and any contending device. MagnaCoaster, Midtek, Yildez.............
Their device would not consider real unless they did this.


:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: crazycut06 on February 03, 2014, 01:51:42 AM
Look closely guys, this is fake, if he did not do the bulb test he had been credible, notice there are two holes at the board and ground where he aligns the machine for electrical connection hidden under, so why nail it to the ground? Because of vibration? I don't think so  :P  Then as he starts the machine, simultaneously closing the magnet motor suddenly the bulb went on, even if the generator isn't up to speed, likely there's a switch connected somewhere, and when he stops it, why he applied brake to the motor and quickly opened the motor? Rather than letting it gradually slow down to see if the lights dimmed down? Fake!  :P
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: T-1000 on February 03, 2014, 02:39:03 AM
When looking on another video in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yodY1jH5j-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCMuDBajFjU

I could not see any hidden wires/etc in the yard there.
And also the magnetic motor is not utopia - as long as you bend basic physics laws for magnetic pull, push and creation of bloch wall in correct time. Then strong neodium magnets can power kilowatts of load without problem... ;)
The Gary effect might be involved there too - http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3f8v9bjx7g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3f8v9bjx7g) and that goes to the very old days - Canadian Patent #10239 (July 16, 1879). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4GAwD3c7jI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4GAwD3c7jI)
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: NTesla on February 03, 2014, 05:45:35 AM
When looking on another video in http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1asgtf_challange-to-the-engineers_tech (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1asgtf_challange-to-the-engineers_tech) I could not see any hidden wires/etc in the yard there.
And also the magnetic motor is not utopia - as long as you bend basic physics laws for magnetic pull, push and creation of bloch wall in correct time. Then strong neodium magnets can power kilowatts of load without problem... ;)
The Gary effect might be involved there too - http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3f8v9bjx7g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3f8v9bjx7g) and that goes to the very old days - Canadian Patent #10239 (July 16, 1879). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4GAwD3c7jI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4GAwD3c7jI)

He should detach the 'alternator' from the generator and let the generator operate on it's own. That would settle the most obvious source of fraud. Yet he doesn't...if I had an alleged 'free energy' device like this, this would be the first thing I would demonstrate.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: crazycut06 on February 03, 2014, 11:53:12 AM
When looking on another video in http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1asgtf_challange-to-the-engineers_tech (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1asgtf_challange-to-the-engineers_tech) I could not see any hidden wires/etc in the yard there.
And also the magnetic motor is not utopia - as long as you bend basic physics laws for magnetic pull, push and creation of bloch wall in correct time. Then strong neodium magnets can power kilowatts of load without problem... ;)
The Gary effect might be involved there too - http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3f8v9bjx7g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3f8v9bjx7g) and that goes to the very old days - Canadian Patent #10239 (July 16, 1879). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4GAwD3c7jI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4GAwD3c7jI)


I was reffering with this video, the wires are hidden underneath the soil where he nailed the motor to make a connection from mains.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Jimboot on February 03, 2014, 12:41:23 PM
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Wasif Kahloon (https://www.facebook.com/wasif.kahloon.5) .this magnet machine runs with the power of magnets that runs the generator specifically design on low rpm, which neither the violation of rules or law of conservation.The Magnets used in it are guaranteed not to lose their magnetism in 36,000 hours if used in the way they are adjusted in this machine . The total number of magnets are 182 which are closely spaced but do not come into direct contact with each other and therefore do not lose their magnetism in 36,000 hours.Associated electricity generating dynamo runs at 80 to 150 rpm to produce 3.5 KW. If increased to 300 to 750 rpm with a better dynamo it can produce 5 MW using better copper, steal and magnets. It will require 4 windings per MW.It produces pure sinewave AC current through auto-control kit.It requires low maintainance which would only be required for bearing only after one year of continuous working. The cost of maintenance is very low and is less than 5-7 percent of the price of the machine after 5 years which will be readily affordable.Using the same technology, a specially designed magnet machine for the car is under process that will be able to run 1000cc 4000cc engine for 24000 hrs without loosing any magnetic power. The maintenance of the magnet machine in the car would also be low and lower than an ordinary petrol engine and can be managed by an ordinary mechanic.Challenge to all Engineers We challenge any one to come and see this magnet machine working. It is not just a theoretical concept but a working reality. We invite everyone to come and verify it and we will pay the fare and expenses if we are proven wrong. We invite all queries of all sorts made after careful consideration of the description given. After a year, it will be made public and everyone can get it.it is just for engineers. it will be marketed in pakistan first. we do not need any advertisement. or companies support. this our invention we want only objection from engineers. to clarify their theoratical concept.those machines r not complete in sence of expapiments.we completed our expariments on it then openly challenge to the engineers.in near future u will see our magnet machine in market.after it marketing,after that we will open source it.we r in production,we need only time,when our calculated production will be ready for marketing,we will in the market,it will take some time dear.now our team is much busy in production.we dont want approval from engineers.we tell them with a challenge that it is possible and practically available in working condition we have done this job by the grace of Allah.we need not any kind of advertisement and finances.our invention will itself speak. this magnet machine is a genuine,and practically in working position,many groups coming to examine it,and really surprised to see it,by the grace of GOD we done it,we also invite u to come and see it practically,no one can prove us wrong because we r not telling a lie.soon we will upload a new video with world qualified and recognised engineers comments.we need not a nobel prize,our magnet machine is a nobel prize for humanity.We challenge any one to come and see this magnet machine working. It is not just a theoretical concept but a working reality. We invite everyone to come and verify it and we will pay the fare and expenses if we are proven wrong. We invite all queries of all sorts made after careful consideration of the description given. After a year, it will be made public and everyone can get it.
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Wasif Kahloon (https://www.facebook.com/wasif.kahloon.5) yes
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Jim Stewart (https://www.facebook.com/jstewart) Hopefully you will get the right people over there. I have been to Islamabad but you are based in Lahore?
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Wasif Kahloon (https://www.facebook.com/wasif.kahloon.5) first u answer our simple question in which u describe the formula of HT volts generated by the magnets, if u r an engineer,then we allow u to visit,hurry up waiting for ur answer?
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Wasif Kahloon (https://www.facebook.com/wasif.kahloon.5) sorry u r not an engineer,so we can,t allow u to test it.in a short time u will get it from the market,when we will open source it,so sorry friend u r not able to understand the device,the basic thing HT volts made by magnets u not answered and satisfied us,how u claim that u r a qualified engineer
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Wasif Kahloon (https://www.facebook.com/wasif.kahloon.5) you make ur own plan,we will send u its total diagrams,then u make it here in ur country.we r going to open it source in a short time,in a short time it will most successful,that a common man can afford it easily,it is very very cheap
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Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 03, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Jim, Wasif seems to follow the idea that if one is going to tell lies, then tell really big lies.  His lies that the little "generator" prop is producing 3.5kW while turning at 80-150rpm is bad enough.  He decided to supersize his lies when he said that by going 750rpm he could reach 5MW.  5MW @ 220VAC rms is 25,000A rms.  That would require ten bus bars each 3/8" thick by 8 inches wide for each of the two power leads. 5MW @ 750rpm is 63,662 Nm torque, or 46,936 lb. ft. roughly the available torque of 100 pick-up trucks with large engines.

Pakistan has plenty of good electrical engineers and test laboratories.  If one wishes to look past the obvious tells of fakery in the videos that Wasif has produced, then before one parts with money they should ask Wasif why he doesn't have a test lab report for his gem.  They should ask why he isn't running his home and his neighbor's home from his magic machine.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: seychelles on February 03, 2014, 01:48:46 PM
Please be informed that this guy is an alien ok.. he uses these big long nails to stabilise his  high powered generator NOT. THE GENERATOR IS A MOTOR THE SOURCE IS 250V FROM WIRING UNDERNEATH THE GROUND..ACCESS VIA THESE BIG NAILS..PLEASE SPARE US THE SACRED BULLSHIT..
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on February 03, 2014, 02:36:44 PM
Or simply ask him to do this:

Run the full system as shown in the last video.... then uncouple the shafts. Just take off the hose clamp and peel off the electrical tape coupling the "motor" to the "generator" and show the "motor" now running along by itself.

Now stand back and log the excuses he emits as to why he cannot -- or will not -- perform this one simple demonstration that would take five minutes to set up.

Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 03, 2014, 02:53:14 PM
Or simply ask him to do this:

Run the full system as shown in the last video.... then uncouple the shafts. Just take off the hose clamp and peel off the electrical tape coupling the "motor" to the "generator" and show the "motor" now running along by itself.

Now stand back and log the excuses he emits as to why he cannot -- or will not -- perform this one simple demonstration that would take five minutes to set up.
The motor would obviously accelerate instantly and uncontrollably to such a speed that a a rift in the fabric of space time would open in all directions at the speed of light.   The rift would give the appearance to all observers that the motor was not moving.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: memoryman on February 03, 2014, 07:21:01 PM
Mark, I have controlled that 'run-away' by sprinkling some pixie dust onto the shaft. A provisional patent for this process has been applied for. I am working on a fully automated delivery system for this. Licenses are available at a reasonable cost (I used J.P.Rohner's licensing model).
Please keep posts serious.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: deanc5000 on February 03, 2014, 07:38:57 PM
I cant believe there is even a conversation about the reality of this machine. This is a movie prop and nothing more. The real mystery here is why bother with the hoax? What is to be gained? This does more harm to the real free energy experimenters than good  and turns it into a joke.

Its easy to see its not real. There is no rotor in the generator. There is no rear cover on the generator which is necessary to hold a rear bearing which is also missing. The generator shaft is fake. Its just a short piece of rod that is connected to the spring coupling. The hidden 220v motor is probably in the front of the mag motor.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: T-1000 on February 03, 2014, 09:48:11 PM
Or simply ask him to do this:

Run the full system as shown in the last video.... then uncouple the shafts. Just take off the hose clamp and peel off the electrical tape coupling the "motor" to the "generator" and show the "motor" now running along by itself.

Now stand back and log the excuses he emits as to why he cannot -- or will not -- perform this one simple demonstration that would take five minutes to set up.
The better offer would be to make clear statement in fb for him on public page - to disconnect all electric parts including generator and attach some heavy weight to lift up right on magnet motor shaft. He can control easily when to stop so the weight won't be swinging around shaft after rope is pulled.
Then serious engineers could go there to investigate this setup.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on February 03, 2014, 10:43:15 PM
It's a funny sort of generator all right.


Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on February 03, 2014, 10:47:44 PM
What is really needed is a mechanical shaft to shaft coupler with a torque
comparator and shaft direction measurement that produces an indicator
arrow display that indicates which direction the torque vector flows to.

It's just too easy to have a generator be a motor or vice versa.

(snip)
:S:MarkSCoffman

Well, we sorta kinda have just that, in the coupling spring, don't we? Does it twist up, or does it untwist, when the device is running?

Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: deanc5000 on February 03, 2014, 11:40:03 PM
Again, its a clear fake. Where are the parts that I have highlighted in red in this photo of a typical generator? There are many glaring giveaways in the second video shot outside...
-The apparent light weight of the unit as he lifts it and manipulates it. - no rotor in the generator.
-The trouble they go through to place the board in a very specific spot on the ground, tweaking it mere cm till its just right.
- the lights turning on and off instantly.
- the guy stopping the rotor with his hand as soon as the clamshell opens to cover the fact that the lights go off instantly. And if it were a real generator, the mass of the rotor would have injured him badly.
- no torque is apparent on the spring coupling, let alone 3.5kw. Would that spring drive your 5hp lawn mower? Think about it.

So not only is this a fake, it is a particularly bad fake. I don't know why I am compelled to expose it, but reading the posts by people who swallow this crap is annoying. Thats all, move on.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Hoppy on February 04, 2014, 12:05:01 AM
The better offer would be to make clear statement in fb for him on public page - to disconnect all electric parts including generator and attach some heavy weight to lift up right on magnet motor shaft. He can control easily when to stop so the weight won't be swinging around shaft after rope is pulled.
Then serious engineers could go there to investigate this setup.

 ::) C'mon! No serious engineer would go anywhere near that silly setup!

Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: NTesla on February 04, 2014, 12:25:00 AM

I was reffering with this video, the wires are hidden underneath the soil where he nailed the motor to make a connection from mains.
Hidden wires (externally) are not required. The 'alternator' has enough room to hide a small motor connected to the magnet generator plus the battery to both power the generator and the loads he is using. Modern batteries e.g. NiMh or Li-poly types are compact and powerful enough to fit in the 'alternator' while powering the loads in question. TinselKoala's pic shows that there is no end-to-end shaft going through the 'alternator'. Instead, a clearly incongruent, aluminum looking plate hides the insides.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: T-1000 on February 04, 2014, 01:40:47 AM
::) C'mon! No serious engineer would go anywhere near that silly setup!

"keep it stupidly simple" - if you would have self running magnetic motor, no electrical parts are needed for a proof as mechanical measurements are enough ;)
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: hartiberlin on February 04, 2014, 04:34:11 AM
What I already wrote on Facebook:

Yes, Wasif, the problem is we have had  over the years many fakes, like the Mylow story, the Perendev scam and the Yildiz guy not coming forward and hiding the inner working of his motor and having cables coming out there, etc..

so Open Sourcing would be great and probably the only solution to a widespread acceptance in the conservative science community ...

What still concerns me is the fact, that when he put the clamp around the stator magnets and thus reduced again the distance of the stators versus the rotors, the motor speed did not change or drop...
I still believe the generator might still be a motor and just drives the Perendev style unit and that there are hidden batteries somewhere inside the double wood boards....we need to see the motor alone spin up  for at least a few seconds !

Come on, if the Perendev style motor is really working, you could easily show it without the "generator" by just controlling the stators with your hands and just show for a few seconds, how the rotor will selfaccelerate, when you press the stators together...
Also in the first Video I hear a hum noise which is simular to the noise a starting motor makes...so I think the generator is really a motor being powered by a hidden source..

Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on February 04, 2014, 04:42:46 AM
What I already wrote on Facebook:

Yes, Wasif, the problem is we have had  over the years many fakes, like the Mylow story, the Perendev scam and the Yildiz guy not coming forward and hiding the inner working of his motor and having cables coming out there, etc..

so Open Sourcing would be great and probably the only solution to a widespread acceptance in the conservative science community ...

What still concerns me is the fact, that when he put the clamp around the stator magnets and thus reduced again the distance of the stators versus the rotors, the motor speed did not change or drop...
I still believe the generator might still be a motor and just drives the Perendev style unit and that there are hidden batteries somewhere inside the double wood boards....we need to see the motor alone spin up  for at least a few seconds !

Come on, if the Perendev style motor is really working, you could easily show it without the "generator" by just controlling the stators with your hands and just show for a few seconds, how the rotor will selfaccelerate, when you press the stators together...
Also in the first Video I hear a hum noise which is simular to the noise a starting motor makes...so I think the generator is really a motor being powered by a hidden source..


Dear Sir,


I talk to him he is not engineer, he is lawyer and a property dealer.


He said that there are some group of people behind this.


[size=78%]So i think he cant give us reasonable answers.[/size]
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Also he told me he is going to opensource also no need for money.


I requested him to visit him,he refuse and told me that he has no time to show me his device.


What i am worry is, if he want to opensource as he said, why is making alot of bublicity?


Regards,
D.J
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 04, 2014, 05:08:49 AM

Dear Sir,


I talk to him he is not engineer, he is lawyer and a property dealer.


He said that there are some group of people behind this.


[size=78%]So i think he cant give us reasonable answers.[/size]
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Also he told me he is going to opensource also no need for money.


I requested him to visit him,he refuse and told me that he has no time to show me his device.


What i am worry is, if he want to opensource as he said, why is making alot of bublicity?


Regards,
D.J
That's funny because Wasif is all over the net asking people to visit him.  What you should be worried about is that the device is an obvious fake.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: deanc5000 on February 04, 2014, 05:52:38 AM
Careful asking Wasif to run the magnet motor alone without the generator. I believe he can do that, but not without a hidden ac feed from the mains. From the audible hum in the first video, we know he is using a 220V 50hz ac motor to drive the device. I am pretty sure the ac motor is hidden in the front section of the fake magnet motor and the generator is totally hollow. My reasoning is that no torque whatsoever is ever being transmitted through the spring coupling  (except to a short fake front generator shaft that only weighs a few ounces). So if he removes the coupling, the mag motor will still appear to spin by itself.  Just sayin up front in case he has the audacity to play that card.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Jimboot on February 04, 2014, 06:22:38 AM
I'm not making a statement to fake or real either way as I'm not qualified but "we know he is using a 220V 50hz [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]ac motor[/color] to drive the device. "  is a step too far.
SUrely crying fake without proof is the same as crying real without proof.


For instance his mum may have switched on the washing machine just out of shot hence the AC hum. :)





Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 04, 2014, 06:32:45 AM
I'm not making a statement to fake or real either way as I'm not qualified but "we know he is using a 220V 50hz [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]ac motor[/color] to drive the device. "  is a step too far.
SUrely crying fake without proof is the same as crying real without proof.


For instance his mum may have switched on the washing machine just out of shot hence the AC hum. :)
Jim, we know that Wasif is lying from the simple observation that there is no perceptible reaction torque from the device he claims is a generator that produces 3kW at 80rpm, while connected to ~3kW of load.  Were the device actually what he claimed, it would require over 250 lb ft of torque to turn the shaft.  In both videos we see that the "generator" instead turns freely with just a gentle push.  In the second video we see that the "motor" and the "generator" are coupled with a poorly aligned and soft compression spring with only a common hose clamp retaining it on the "motor" side and no visible means of attachment on the "generator" side.  Yet, according to Wasif's claims that spring would have to transmit 250 lb ft of torque.  And as Dean has pointed out, the "generator" is missing the end bearing on the load side.

Wasif has revealed far more than enough to determine without any doubt that the machine is a very bad fake.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Jimboot on February 04, 2014, 06:45:40 AM
Jim, we know that Wasif is lying from the simple observation that there is no perceptible reaction torque from the device he claims is a generator that produces 3kW at 80rpm, while connected to ~3kW of load.  Were the device actually what he claimed, it would require over 250 lb ft of torque to turn the shaft.  In both videos we see that the "generator" instead turns freely with just a gentle push.  In the second video we see that the "motor" and the "generator" are coupled with a poorly aligned and soft compression spring with only a common hose clamp retaining it on the "motor" side and no visible means of attachment on the "generator" side.  Yet, according to Wasif's claims that spring would have to transmit 250 lb ft of torque.  And as Dean has pointed out, the "generator" is missing the end bearing on the load side.

Wasif has revealed far more than enough to determine without any doubt that the machine is a very bad fake.


I just have an issue with "we know". Not a problem with "he must be" or "He has to be" . Stating things as facts without actually having them can be a bit dodgy.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 04, 2014, 06:51:25 AM
Jim, the observable facts concerning:  the lack of reaction torque, the absurd coupling, and the lack of an end bearing are there for all to see, as are Wasif's specific claims of power and rpm.  Those are direct observations.  They do not require deduction. 

The deduced proof is:  Wasif's power and rpm claims together require a reaction torque of more than 250 lb ft.  The device exhibits a reaction torque that is only a tiny fraction of 250 lb ft.  Ergo Wasif's claims are false.  QED.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Jimboot on February 04, 2014, 06:56:34 AM
QED he must be using a hidden motor. 
Semantics I know but I dont KNOW that he is using a 220V 50Hz AC motor. #justsayin
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 04, 2014, 07:05:59 AM
QED he must be using a hidden motor. 
Semantics I know but I dont KNOW that he is using a 220V 50Hz AC motor. #justsayin
Jim, I don't make that specific claim.  Whether Dean is right or wrong in his speculation concerning the use of a 50Hz AC motor or not does not affect the fact that the lack of reaction torque proves that Wasif's claims are false.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on February 04, 2014, 07:26:42 AM
if he is using 3.5kva generator as he said, then what i am looking, it is too small in size. this size generator can hardly give us 800watts only, as per my experience.
as far as i know 3.5kva is big enough generator.


Also if we let suppose it is 3.5kva then at full load as showing in his video, it will be very hard to rotate it. I dont think even a strong man can hardly rotate it.


Now the point is that how his small coupling spring bear that much force? :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Hoppy on February 04, 2014, 08:25:51 AM
"keep it stupidly simple" - if you would have self running magnetic motor, no electrical parts are needed for a proof as mechanical measurements are enough ;)

Yes, that's exactly what it is - simply stupid.  ;D
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Hoppy on February 04, 2014, 09:39:51 AM
Careful asking Wasif to run the magnet motor alone without the generator. I believe he can do that, but not without a hidden ac feed from the mains. From the audible hum in the first video, we know he is using a 220V 50hz ac motor to drive the device. I am pretty sure the ac motor is hidden in the front section of the fake magnet motor and the generator is totally hollow. My reasoning is that no torque whatsoever is ever being transmitted through the spring coupling  (except to a short fake front generator shaft that only weighs a few ounces). So if he removes the coupling, the mag motor will still appear to spin by itself.  Just sayin up front in case he has the audacity to play that card.

Agreed. Its very likely that the magnet motor is powered by a small built-in motor. However, the nails would still be needed unless he can come up with another way of supplying power to the motor. As there would no longer be a lamp load to power, he could use very thin insulated wire / ECW which would be difficult to detect on video. Better still, he might even be able to conceal a thin Lipo pack and small inverter in a cavity within the laminated timber base, so its quite possible that we will see another attempt from him. It will at least be guaranteed to increase his overall hit count!
Title: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: AnandAadhar on February 04, 2014, 12:18:03 PM
Funny indeed. A magnet motor without magnets.
There are a lot of empty holes in the setup, stator clamps and rotor, just a few seem to be filled at random.
And I'm not even sure about that.
Poorly drilled too these holes. 
Cannot work that way.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Hoppy on February 04, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
Funny indeed. A magnet motor without magnets.
There are a lot of empty holes in the setup, stator clamps and rotor, just a few seem to be filled at random.
And I'm not even sure about that.
Poorly drilled too these holes. 
Cannot work that way.

Indeed. It looks to me like a discarded experimental setup that likely never worked, thus providing the incentive to fake a self-runner.  :(

The method of powering is interesting as this is along the lines that I think Kapanadze used to power his 'Green Box' device. In Kapanadze's case, the 'hot' wire is probably buried and instead of nailing into it, the bearded guy uses a magnetic coupling between the heel of his shoe and an exposed end of the wire.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 05, 2014, 03:19:51 AM
Geeze, this sounds worse than Mylow.

Bill
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 05, 2014, 03:32:24 AM
Mylow had his stories about visits from the Men In Black.  Do you remember when Mylow told Sterling Allan that the Men In Black took Mylow to MiB HQ and showed him their magnet motors?
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 05, 2014, 04:34:40 AM
Mylow had his stories about visits from the Men In Black.  Do you remember when Mylow told Sterling Allan that the Men In Black took Mylow to MiB HQ and showed him their magnet motors?

Yes, and I also recall the bird, and some guy named Tony (presumably Mylow's brother)  And, let's not forget the famous quote from Mylow to Tony on one of his videos...."You can turn it off now..."

Sterling still gets pissed if you mention the Mylow saga to him.  Reminds me of the saying...hook, line and sinker.

Bill
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 05, 2014, 04:44:41 AM
Mylow was a bad episode for Sterling Allan.  Several people resigned his New Energy Congress because Sterling kept supporting the obvious fake.  Even after Mylow was exposed by the video where both the fishing line and the motor were visible, even after Mylow confessed, Sterling kept supporting the idea that Mylow had a working all magnet motor.  It was months after Mylow's confession before Sterling Allan publicly accepted that Mylow was faking all along.  The experience does not seem to have improved Sterling's rush to support every new free energy claim that comes along.  Presently, Sterling Allan is strongly supporting Doug Myers' claims of a free energy box when no one has seen so much as even a preliminary demonstration.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: AnandAadhar on February 05, 2014, 08:54:41 AM
Yeah Sterling Allen has this propensity for overly positive attitudes. But that is necessary. He is the only one who consequently shows and lives that to cherish the chance that something might work that may not be missed is more important than to cherish a critical attitude of doubt and thus miss an important claim. Thus he is the greatest encouragement for any endeavor into the uncharted territories. And that is what we all need here at OU.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 05, 2014, 11:06:09 AM
Sterling Allan has for many years fought a mostly good fight looking for highly improbable revolutionary energy developments.  He deserves applause for that.  Where I take exception is supporting ideas before there is any evidence and in propping up scams.  Sterling Allan recently wrote that he thinks that it is necessary to support those who are mistaken and even those who are scamming in order not to miss out on real developments.  I disagree with him on this.  The scams can't lead anywhere, and the mistaken ideas have very little chance of leading anywhere.  Even worse, the scams stain unusual ideas discouraging people from giving unusual ideas a look. 

Mistaken ideas are different than scams.  It's OK for people to make mistakes.  Mistakes and missteps are a normal part of the discovery process.   But once a mistake is found, it is time to be done with it and move on to something else.  Pretending that ideas that have been thoroughly vetted and found to offer no promise can work is just nonsense.  In many cases like looped motor <=> generator claims, Sterling ignores over 150 years of evidence and readily declares that each new such claim is true without bothering to check the claims first.  In every case so far all such claims have proven false for reasons that are well understood. 

Sterling Allan puts forward the odd idea that skeptics who expose the scams and/or determine the mistakes that honest inventors have made so far are keeping working breakthroughs from the market.  Neither skeptics nor believers can change nature.  If somebody comes up with a real breakthrough that works, it will hold up against the most rigorous skeptical review.  The flip side of that is that even the strongest and most sincere belief cannot make a concept that is wrong into something that works.

Sterling Allan has cried "Wolf!" so many times that his technology declarations no longer have any credibility at all.  He has recently further undermined his credibility with deep dives into psychic readings and his self-invented pseudoscience that he calls "alphabetics".  If those methods were reliable one would think that he would not have the degree of strife with long time associates that he has today.  Instead, Sterling has been "discovering" through his "alphabetics" and psychic readings that people who stood by him for years are now according to him: "double agents" under the control of dark forces out to undermine energy discoveries.  It has gotten so out of control that Sterling has declared that he has put some long time supporters on an "enemies list".  I think the last time I heard of anyone with an "enemies list" it was the Nixon White House.  It doesn't take a psychic to see that Sterling has gotten himself onto a bad path.


Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2014, 01:29:02 PM
Sterling is a venue for releasing info ,as such I suppose people will seek him out,From there it is buyer beware.
 I suppose if we had more of an infrastructure as a community we could collectively support investigations on our own ,for instance the member DilJalaay
 offered to go have a look [he lives a few hours away].
it would be far cheaper to cover his Gas money than put someone on a plane with all the ancillary expenses associated with that.


We have the technology as well as the talent to make a good remote investigation quite effective with very small resources and a field representative.
as a matter of fact there are few places on this planet where we could not muster this type of investigation [local representatives].


although this device and the presentation would have to be explained in much better detail pryor to such an investigation.[Sounds and springs and missing things]


Thx
Chet
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on February 05, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
That's a fine idea. But what are the qualifications and abilities of the local representative?

Here's what I'd like to see: The local representative sets up a Skype or Google Hangout kind of live demonstration, and takes questions and suggestions from the watching audience of experts. The claimant cooperates with the suggested testing that is coming from the audience. The local representative can come prepared with suitable test equipment, that can be rented or borrowed locally if the rep or the claimant doesn't own them. Advice on the proper use of the proper equipment can come from the watching audience of experts. Let the recent Rosemary Ainslie demonstrations, guided by the experts, be an example! (But hopefully with a better camera and a bit more organization than Ainslie mustered.)

You'll never see anything like this being agreed to by fakers, though, and if it's not agreed to by the present claimant... you can wonder why.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2014, 06:19:11 PM
Tinsel
Yes that sounds about right ,certain members work at this end ,the field guys get what they need on the other end and the People
running the Device demo would be assured of Qualified and Fair investigation.
Plus a Quick endorsement as Legit or………….?


In this case we have issues that would need to be resolved pryor to financing this trip [ which would be gas Money for DJ].


where there is a will there is a way .


This "model" will meet all criteria for people insisting on Viewers being accredited engineers or scientists ,and will go
a long way towards diminishing the Scammers ability to perpetrate  fraud .


We can Do this right here right now if need be. [well actually some of us already are]


thx
Chet



Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 05, 2014, 06:21:48 PM
Sterling is a venue for releasing info ,as such I suppose people will seek him out,From there it is buyer beware.
 I suppose if we had more of an infrastructure as a community we could collectively support investigations on our own ,for instance the member DilJalaay
 offered to go have a look [he lives a few hours away].
it would be far cheaper to cover his Gas money than put someone on a plane with all the ancillary expenses associated with that.


We have the technology as well as the talent to make a good remote investigation quite effective with very small resources and a field representative.
as a matter of fact there are few places on this planet where we could not muster this type of investigation [local representatives].


although this device and the presentation would have to be explained in much better detail pryor to such an investigation.[Sounds and springs and missing things]


Thx
Chet
All over the world there are test laboratories that are well equipped to test claims like Wasif's.  India and Pakistan are no exceptions.  Inventors like Wasif sitting on top of what would be trillion dollar inventions can surely pay a few thousand dollars for a test report.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on February 05, 2014, 07:57:37 PM
Sterling is a venue for releasing info ,as such I suppose people will seek him out,From there it is buyer beware.
 I suppose if we had more of an infrastructure as a community we could collectively support investigations on our own ,for instance the member DilJalaay
 offered to go have a look [he lives a few hours away].
it would be far cheaper to cover his Gas money than put someone on a plane with all the ancillary expenses associated with that.


We have the technology as well as the talent to make a good remote investigation quite effective with very small resources and a field representative.
as a matter of fact there are few places on this planet where we could not muster this type of investigation [local representatives].


although this device and the presentation would have to be explained in much better detail pryor to such an investigation.[Sounds and springs and missing things]


Thx
Chet


Dear Chet,
No problem for me to visit him, i called him,but he refused me to give me time and show his device.
He said that he is very busy nowadays for his project.


It is his cells no, yesterday i called him again, he did not attend my call.


I will try to call him tomorrow. If he agreed to show me his device then i will go there.


I am really surprise why is he adverting/publicity his device, instead of showing his device to some one to inspect and judge.


Best regards,


D.J
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on February 05, 2014, 08:08:05 PM
I think this is not a such complicated system which need laboratory or special equipment.
I think only careful inspection is enough to judge it whether it is true or fake.


If he allow me to inspect his device then it is not a big deal for me to judge it.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 05, 2014, 08:16:54 PM
I think this is not a such complicated system which need laboratory or special equipment.
I think only careful inspection is enough to judge it whether it is true or fake.


If he allow me to inspect his device then it is not a big deal for me to judge it.
DilJalaay if Wasif were serious he would submit to laboratory testing.  Such testing is available in Pakistan.   Among other things, the lack of reaction torque proves that Wasif is lying.  If you want to visit him by all means do.  You will not find that he has a working free energy machine.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: memoryman on February 05, 2014, 08:25:53 PM
I exchanged several posts on FB with Wasif Kahloon.
He says that nobody is allowed to touch it. (no close examination)
He also claims that he will open source the device soon, after "helping the poor in Pakistan'. No response to my suggestion that he open source NOW and also help his people.
IMHO, this will never be a real product.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2014, 08:25:56 PM
Mike E
I worked as a freelance for test labs all my Life ,there are all sorts of stipulations attached to "Qualifying" a claim,this could just be one layer
of Qualification available to a man who is open sourcing his device .


@DJ
You are a good man to offer this service to the community,I assure you if he needs qualified eyes as part of this visit we can do that.
However since I last spoke with him the fellows here have pointed out some very true observations with  legitimate concerns.[almost from the first post of this thread {TinMan's "sounds 50 hz funny claim" ]]


If he does not respond to your call let me know I do have other Numbers.


Personally I think this is more an opportunity for "what we can do" as a community instead of always complaining about how things come our way.
you want change? Be that change…….


Respectfully
Chet
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 05, 2014, 08:38:41 PM
Mike E
I worked as a freelance for test labs all my Life ,there are all sorts of stipulations attached to "Qualifying" a claim,this could just be one layer
of Qualification available to a man who is open sourcing his device .


@DJ
You are a good man to offer this service to the community,I assure you if he needs qualified eyes as part of this visit we can do that.
However since I last spoke with him the fellows here have pointed out some very true observations with  legitimate concerns.[almost from the first post of this thread {TinMan's "sounds 50 hz funny claim" ]]


If he does not respond to your call let me know I do have other Numbers.


Personally I think this is more an opportunity for "what we can do" as a community instead of always complaining about how things come our way.
you want change? Be that change…….


Respectfully
Chet
Chet, a dynamometer test of the "motor" would instantly reveal that the "motor" doesn't work as claimed, which is obvious from the videos, or it would establish Wasif's claims that his magnet "motor" can drive a 5hp load at 80rpm.  A real test lab with a real dynamometer would for safety purposes alone stipulate a much more robust coupling than a hose clamp and soft compression spring.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: forest on February 05, 2014, 08:42:06 PM
If you want a magnetic motor you will probably need a custom magnetized magnets. That's true also for any other OU. Basically parts available are made specifically to avoid any OU. Think that way : OU is rare, accidents are rare, are they related ? YES, they are the same, and because every commercial system HAS TO AVOID accidents it won't work if you follow what is available ...

Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: DilJalaay on February 05, 2014, 08:53:10 PM
Respected Sirs,
A few years ago this video came in to my attention.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb05BaRmqU


Now the original person ytube ac is disabled.


I want your opinions on that sir,


Regards,
D.J
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on February 05, 2014, 10:56:18 PM
There are lots of demonstrations available of "satellite motors" where a completely passive-seeming thing can be rotated quite well by some changing magnetic fields happening well out of the video frame. This is nothing new, it's nothing unusual and it definitely doesn't indicate "self running". Obviously the video above doesn't contain enough information to rule this method out or in. Just as obviously.... the world isn't full of these magnet motors, even though that video is years old.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuVtKYfSDI8
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Jimboot on February 05, 2014, 10:56:40 PM
Respected Sirs,
A few years ago this video came in to my attention.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb05BaRmqU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb05BaRmqU)


Now the original person ytube ac is disabled.


I want your opinions on that sir,


Regards,
D.J


The general consensus at the time was that there was probably an air blower out of shot blowing the device. As it had a soundtrack added it was immediately suspect.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 05, 2014, 10:57:46 PM
Respected Sirs,
A few years ago this video came in to my attention.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb05BaRmqU


Now the original person ytube ac is disabled.


I want your opinions on that sir,


Regards,
D.J
Given his opaque table there isn't much to see.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on February 05, 2014, 10:59:19 PM
So there you go. At least two ways of "faking" the video are easy to arrange, without even breaking a sweat.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Jimboot on February 06, 2014, 03:00:15 AM
So there you go. At least two ways of "faking" the video are easy to arrange, without even breaking a sweat.


Yeah what was that whipmag one.... *ducks*
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 06, 2014, 03:10:40 AM

Yeah what was that whipmag one.... *ducks*
I thought that such things were beyond discussion outside of an interrogation room at Gitmo.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
MarkE
Appologies for the "MikeE" ,I'm not to good at doing ten things at once anymore.


RE :The Whipmag "it take a liken and keeps on Whippin "


Has an "OU" all its own…….


Chet
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: AnandAadhar on February 06, 2014, 12:00:33 PM
Let me tell you then, if I myself stumble in my research upon anything that breaks the sitting paradigm of science, I will submit myself and my equipment to all tests and controls that I can take, including skype assemblies or whatever, as Tinselkoala suggests.... including open sourcing it all, as far as I am concerned.


Who more here is willing to say this?
Must we ask this from all members to make sure who we are dealing with?
The lust for freedom is usually stronger than such a decided commitment...


Btw, speaking about Sterling Alllen, he has more than a few pages of does and don'ts for all who can claim an invention in this branch of research.


see e.g. http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Open_Source_Your_Free_Energy_Technology
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: dieter on February 06, 2014, 12:30:45 PM
It's not a bad idea to pretend to be  scammer if you really found OU, this may save your live.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Marsing on February 06, 2014, 12:43:57 PM
It's not a bad idea to pretend to be  scammer if you really found OU, this may save your live.

and if next time i found you as scammer mean you have found OU.     lol
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 06, 2014, 12:44:12 PM
MarkE
Appologies for the "MikeE" ,I'm not to good at doing ten things at once anymore.


RE :The Whipmag "it take a liken and keeps on Whippin "


Has an "OU" all its own…….


Chet
Ramset, I did not even notice the Mike vs Mark. 

Only people who relish extraordinary rendition may dare speak of certain subjects.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 06, 2014, 12:48:02 PM
It's not a bad idea to pretend to be  scammer if you really found OU, this may save your live.
That's unlikely.  It would make about as much sense as Zuckerberg deep sixing Facebook for fear that the Myspace people would come after him.

At any rate no one has had the chance to find out.  There have however been plenty of scammers who eventually threw out the excuse that they feared for their lives as the reason they could not prove their claims.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: dieter on February 06, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
I wrote a comment about the likeliness of being killed after discovering OU, pls read:


www.overunity.com/14271/when-the-mibs-are-knocking-at-your-door/



Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 06, 2014, 02:07:18 PM
I wrote a comment about the likeliness of being killed after discovering OU, pls read:


www.overunity.com/14271/when-the-mibs-are-knocking-at-your-door/
You have quite an imagination.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2014, 02:25:33 PM
Sigh……
well it seems the MIB got Aaron…all Energetic Forum links go to ----"Go Daddy" domain for sale do to expiration--2/5/14


Those MIB's Play soft ball too…..


Chet


PS
Any body wanna buy a web site?? [or is the Check in the mail??]
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 06, 2014, 02:35:42 PM
Sigh……
well it seems the MIB got Aaron…all Energetic Forum links go to ----"Go Daddy" domain for sale do to expiration--2/5/14


Those MIB's Play soft ball too…..


Chet


PS
Any body wanna buy a web site?? [or is the Check in the mail??]
It must be part of the MiB plot to get Eric Dollard.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: dieter on February 06, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
Well, thanks for the infos, as the Builders of some working OU Devices you must know this. What a relief.  8)
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: forest on February 06, 2014, 09:34:08 PM
here you are something which should work, just apply it wisely , magnets should be at 45 degrees, not necessary shaped that but box magnets poles are critical , I draw from memory so maybe poles should be reversed, but thos bar magnets below are at wrong angle


I don't pretend it's my idea I saw that in one patent, of course you should use that in round manner ;-), for example stator solid with magnets glued and rotor as a ring with box magnets... imagination is the limit....
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 06, 2014, 10:16:13 PM
here you are something which should work, just apply it wisely , magnets should be at 45 degrees, not necessary shaped that but box magnets poles are critical , I draw from memory so maybe poles should be reversed, but thos bar magnets below are at wrong angle


I don't pretend it's my idea I saw that in one patent, of course you should use that in round manner ;-), for example stator solid with magnets glued and rotor as a ring with box magnets... imagination is the limit....
Forest that doesn't work.  There is a position of potential energy minimum for the set.  The set exerts force among the members when the set is away from that position.  When it reaches that position there is no net force even if the position is an unstable equilibrium.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: T-1000 on February 06, 2014, 11:50:44 PM
Forest that doesn't work.  There is a position of potential energy minimum for the set.  The set exerts force among the members when the set is away from that position.  When it reaches that position there is no net force even if the position is an unstable equilibrium.

You need at least 3 pairs like that to compensate drawback force with moving force from other magnets.. Just think about system of multiple layers ;)
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 07, 2014, 12:07:51 AM
You need at least 3 pairs like that to compensate drawback force with moving force from other magnets.. Just think about system of multiple layers ;)
T-1000 one can keep adding and arranging more and more magnets in order to move the PE minimum, but that is all they can do:  move the PE minimum.  No arrangement can be constructed that exerts a force in one direction and one direction only.  Howard Johnson spent years and years trying to no avail.  The best he could do was come up with a combination of:  magnets, projectile mass, and track friction such that an object would run through his gate with enough momentum that it would get down the track far enough that the residual friction force exceeded the restoring force that pulled backwards on the projectile.  It was essentially a variation of the SMOT idea and failed for the same reasons that the SMOT fails:  It always costs at least as much energy to return the projectile to the starting position as gained from launching the projectile.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: dieter on February 07, 2014, 12:35:12 AM
aka what goes up must come down, 101 of pms. Unless, you'd have a switch to turn the pm "off", tho such a switch is yet to be invented, at least one that doesn't require energy.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: forest on February 07, 2014, 09:25:13 AM
Don't throw the idea so fast , look at the actual placement of magnets.They should have been in 45 degrees so the attaction and repulstion work together to push magnet while at sticky point there is balance between N and S forces and should be very low summary force.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 07, 2014, 09:54:24 AM
Don't throw the idea so fast , look at the actual placement of magnets.They should have been in 45 degrees so the attaction and repulstion work together to push magnet while at sticky point there is balance between N and S forces and should be very low summary force.
Forest, the best that one can do is to have no field at all.  As soon as there is one or more magnets there is a reluctance gap and there will be a position in that gap that is a PE minimum.  You can ignore the physics and if you like join the leagues of experimenters who have spent lifetimes trying to come up with clever arrangements that get around the PE minimum, the so called "sticky spot".  You do not stand to fare any better than those who have gone before you.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: dieter on February 07, 2014, 01:09:30 PM
That does't mean you can't have a pmm. When there's a third pm element that oscillates, the sticky point can be neutralized. It's really more about a temporary imbalance between the pole forces of the pm. Any further PM will have no additional force effect btw.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 07, 2014, 01:20:36 PM
That does't mean you can't have a pmm. When there's a third pm element that oscillates, the sticky point can be neutralized. It's really more about a temporary imbalance between the pole forces of the pm. Any further PM will have no additional force effect btw.
Dieter by definition your oscillating PM has to change the PE of the object it affects.  It is therefore conveying energy to that object.  You have now moved the problem of the free energy source to the oscillating PM.  We can move the pig back or forth in the snake, but it still gets digested.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: dieter on February 07, 2014, 06:50:10 PM
There may be ways to alter the field by using quantum mechanics where the energy requirement is not linear.


Or in a dual system one side could use negative energy, the other side positive energy, compensating eachother. Negative energy?  :o
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: T-1000 on February 07, 2014, 08:49:58 PM
Forest, the best that one can do is to have no field at all.  As soon as there is one or more magnets there is a reluctance gap and there will be a position in that gap that is a PE minimum.  You can ignore the physics and if you like join the leagues of experimenters who have spent lifetimes trying to come up with clever arrangements that get around the PE minimum, the so called "sticky spot".  You do not stand to fare any better than those who have gone before you.

Seems you do not know what Gary Effect is - http://www.linux-host.org/energy/tmagnet1.htm (http://www.linux-host.org/energy/tmagnet1.htm)

Also the tricky part is precise engineering for magnetic switching between two magnetic poles and not magnetized metal(which is giving resulting magnetic pole)  between them on same metal cube cast and many failed to do that.
Only few people was able remove obstacles for making it to give energy out of the magnetic field:
http://searlsolution.com/technology2.html (http://searlsolution.com/technology2.html)
http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet/1nothing.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet/1nothing.htm)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Leedskalnin_%22Perpetual_Motion_Holder%22_%28PMH%29_Bond_Effect (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Leedskalnin_%22Perpetual_Motion_Holder%22_%28PMH%29_Bond_Effect)

P.S> Please feel free to create separate thread for people who are willing to do lots of hard work for making magnetic motor a reality instead of just having the dream. The community can achieve this like with any other open source science project as there are brilliant minds around the world who can make a difference if they will share and work together...
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on February 07, 2014, 10:57:11 PM
Seems you do not know what Gary Effect is - http://www.linux-host.org/energy/tmagnet1.htm (http://www.linux-host.org/energy/tmagnet1.htm)

Also the tricky part is precise engineering for magnetic switching between two magnetic poles and not magnetized metal(which is giving resulting magnetic pole)  between them on same metal cube cast and many failed to do that.
Only few people was able remove obstacles for making it to give energy out of the magnetic field:
http://searlsolution.com/technology2.html (http://searlsolution.com/technology2.html)
http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet/1nothing.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet/1nothing.htm)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Leedskalnin_%22Perpetual_Motion_Holder%22_%28PMH%29_Bond_Effect (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Leedskalnin_%22Perpetual_Motion_Holder%22_%28PMH%29_Bond_Effect)

P.S> Please feel free to create separate thread for people who are willing to do lots of hard work for making magnetic motor a reality instead of just having the dream. The community can achieve this like with any other open source science project as there are brilliant minds around the world who can make a difference if they will share and work together...
T-1000 what you call the Gary effect is just ordinary magnetic field distribution.  You have several options:
1) You can take my word.  But no one should just take someone else's word.
2) You can check my statements against reliable references.
3) You can try and come up with a configuration in either simulation or a real experiment that does what you hope.  Again, don't just take my word.  Go and look at the multitudes who have attempted to create a magnetic field with the properties you seek.  All failed.  A physics textbook explains why:  No matter how complex you make the field, there is always a location of minimum potential energy.  It takes real work to move anything away from that spot.  The best you can do is reduce that work to virtually zero.  That requires reducing the field strength to virtually zero.

This presents a learning opportunity for you.  You can view any of TinselKoala's excellent magnet experiments where he demonstrates how to check to see if one configuration or another depletes energy or improves the efficiency of a mechanical device.  If you set-up experiments with the same sort of good null experiments that TinselKoala demonstrates then you will be in a good position to evaluate any configuration that you might like to try.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on February 20, 2014, 11:18:13 PM

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Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: issacjohnjj on March 03, 2014, 07:43:22 AM
How  can I contact you My email issacjohnjj@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Sherbeck on March 07, 2014, 08:00:45 AM
Wasif posted another video on Dailymotion.
http://www.dailymotion.com/wasif-kahloon-5#video=x1f20wd
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on March 07, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
He's got the same mechanical issues that he has always had that prove he is faking.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on March 07, 2014, 09:41:47 AM
Hoot!

This is more fun than Mylow!

Next we will see Wasif's local imam giving his blessing. Free energy is totally halal, insh'Allah!
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on March 07, 2014, 12:32:24 PM
I like the braking demonstrations where as he loads the "motor", the "generator" starts into oscillatory pitch movements.  Does this guy really not Newton's Laws at all?  Or does he just hope that there are some people with money out there who don't understand them?
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: issacjohnjj on March 08, 2014, 07:03:24 AM
How can I get one machine from you or it's blue print ?
I am living in India { Kerala }
My Email-issacjohnjj@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Sherbeck on March 08, 2014, 11:25:09 AM
How can I get one machine from you or it's blue print ?
I am living in India { Kerala }
My Email-issacjohnjj@yahoo.com


Dear Friend

these numbers are Wasif's:
+92-300-6708350
+92-336-4152019

and his email is here:

wasifkahloon123@gmail.com

Maybe he would reveal his secret to you.

Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 12:03:34 PM
Hehehe, Wasif Kahloon is making a fool out of internet public. Obviously its a fake. The bulbs abruptly light up and down. This never happens with a generator. The process takes some time, however small but its observable by human eye. They have tiny wires powering the device from the underneath which we cant notice in a video.

2nd important thing to note that he is having TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES which has been the case with fakers so far.

I spoke to him on phone and offered to visit him to see the motor, I was told that close inspection is not allowed by his group till they open source the technology.

Best,
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: TinselKoala on March 08, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
The most recent video is really hilarious. Look at the very end. He is trying to coordinate the turning off of the power ( done by the guy holding the camera or someone behind the camera) with his own stopping of the "magnet motor". But they flub it, got out of synch... so they do the quick cut, removing the blooper from the video altogether. Look at the last minute or so.

So we have the following "tells" from the several videos.

1. There aren't very many magnets and they are mounted haphazardly in the roughly made "motor".
2. The "generator" appears to lack a rear bearing assembly and the usual other stuff at the back end, but you can see wiring and other stuff in there.
3. Some parts of the apparatus, either the load board or the base of the motor-generator assembly, has to be carefully positioned before the demonstration begins.
4. The spring and tape, or rubber hose, shaft coupling is not sufficient to transfer one or several HP of torque from the "magnet motor" to the "generator".
5. The "magnet motor" and "generator" spins very freely when pushed by hand.
6. In at least one video the coupling is seen to be a simple coiled spring connected by hose clamps to the two shafts. The behaviour of the spring is not consistent with the driving force coming from the "magnet motor" but it is consistent with the "generator" driving the "motor".
7. Batteries could be concealed in several places but it is far more likely that power is being supplied by the house mains through concealed wires.
8. The general level of construction and presentation, the apparent lack of any workshop facility, the obvious lack of test equipment and the "usual suspects" loads: the fan, the iron, the bank of lights, the little water heater element: all speak to a lack of any real expertise with or even access to actual technology more advanced than a bicycle recycling shop.
9. The quick cut at the end of the most recent video conceals the actual stopping sequence.
10. The world isn't beating a path to Wasif's door, he is still making videos in his back yard. By this time in the Mylow saga, he was already getting outside funding and had cleaned up his presentation immensely. People are having a hard time getting interested in Wasif.
11. The most recent video is Ad-Supported, by an advert that cannot even be bypassed, at least for me.

Wasif isn't even a good hoaxer, having left in all these "tells" in his video presentations.

There are many more "tells" in his behaviour and his written comments in various places. "Come and see it, but first solve the problem of the Pakistani Sphinx. No, you are not qualified to see it." "Can't show you because we want to open source it"..... What a hoot! He's insulting you and you don't even realize it.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Hoppy on March 08, 2014, 03:24:51 PM
This latest serving is a variation on the last theme. The fan is not moved throughout the video and its a sure bet IMO that the mains is fed up though the base of the fan.

This is such an obvious fake, like that last one, that his motive is probably just to raise Youtube 'hits'. Expect more of the same.  :(
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Google on March 08, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
Dear Dr. Koala,

Your analysis is right on dot. I agree with all 11 points and every word written by you. Its far easier to mesmerise the overunity/ free energy community by posting such videos. I am sure all who read Dr. Koala's post will agree.

Best,
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Showtime33 on March 09, 2014, 02:09:03 AM
Not only is the motor amazing but the generator is doing things unheard of....80rpm with hardly any torque or hp....achieving over 3000 watts.....everyone must be doing it wrong
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on March 10, 2014, 02:31:04 AM
Not only is the motor amazing but the generator is doing things unheard of....80rpm with hardly any torque or hp....achieving over 3000 watts.....everyone must be doing it wrong
Do you think that 3000 Watts would require torque?  That is old school.  In the amazing new world of Wasif's free energy machine power no longer equals the product of torque and angular rate.  Now anyone can fashion a gigaWatt power generating station using just a child's pinwheel toy.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: ramesh.chintada on October 23, 2014, 05:38:08 PM
what is the  final price quote ? .. better if listed in ebAy
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Low-Q on October 26, 2014, 02:51:38 AM
How can they get energy out of a generator that has coils in both stator and rotor?
And how can 100 - 200 RPM at that small size produce 3.5kW of power?
This is definitely a fake. No question about it.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: MarkE on October 26, 2014, 02:02:02 AM
How can they get energy out of a generator that has coils in both stator and rotor?
And how can 100 - 200 RPM at that small size produce 3.5kW of power?
This is definitely a fake. No question about it.
Yep, it is a fake.  And it has faded away.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: markdansie on October 26, 2014, 05:40:33 AM
I received a lot of abuse from this clown. I also missed my trip to Pakistan lol.
This like every other overunity magnetic motor QmoGen is fake.

Oh well back to fishing
Mark
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: tinman on October 26, 2014, 05:58:57 AM
I received a lot of abuse from this clown. I also missed my trip to Pakistan lol.
This like every other overunity magnetic motor QmoGen is fake.

Oh well back to fishing
Mark
Some people just aint learning a thing Mark-it's on youtube,so there for it's real.

Now,do you really think you will see an OU device of any kind on youtube lol.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: superhero on March 17, 2015, 03:03:34 AM
Fake. Not worthy of further consideration.
Someone is jelous. ....
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 17, 2015, 06:28:00 AM
Someone is jelous. ....

Jealous of a fake?

Bill
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: Jimboot on March 17, 2015, 09:48:37 AM
deleted as i just realised how old the thread is
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: goodlucq on March 29, 2015, 12:26:01 PM
can anyone provide his number or contact detail...thanks
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: masster on January 04, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
Did Wasif Kahloon ask for money from anyone outside Pakistan?
Is he accused of financial fraud by any court ?
Did he sell his device in Pakistan and some of his customers complained about its inefficiency or total failure?
If the answer is 'no' to all questions, Wasif Kahloon is free to say and do whatever he wants with his device and frankly, he doesn't owe any explanation to anyone.
Title: Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
Post by: George F on December 19, 2017, 03:51:02 PM
So what happened to this thing? I saw the fb page but last comments were in early 2016. I guess dead in the water. Is this guy Wasif still around though?