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Author Topic: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor  (Read 174948 times)

Offline deanc5000

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2014, 11:40:03 PM »
Again, its a clear fake. Where are the parts that I have highlighted in red in this photo of a typical generator? There are many glaring giveaways in the second video shot outside...
-The apparent light weight of the unit as he lifts it and manipulates it. - no rotor in the generator.
-The trouble they go through to place the board in a very specific spot on the ground, tweaking it mere cm till its just right.
- the lights turning on and off instantly.
- the guy stopping the rotor with his hand as soon as the clamshell opens to cover the fact that the lights go off instantly. And if it were a real generator, the mass of the rotor would have injured him badly.
- no torque is apparent on the spring coupling, let alone 3.5kw. Would that spring drive your 5hp lawn mower? Think about it.

So not only is this a fake, it is a particularly bad fake. I don't know why I am compelled to expose it, but reading the posts by people who swallow this crap is annoying. Thats all, move on.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2014, 11:40:03 PM »

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2014, 12:05:01 AM »
The better offer would be to make clear statement in fb for him on public page - to disconnect all electric parts including generator and attach some heavy weight to lift up right on magnet motor shaft. He can control easily when to stop so the weight won't be swinging around shaft after rope is pulled.
Then serious engineers could go there to investigate this setup.

 ::) C'mon! No serious engineer would go anywhere near that silly setup!


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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2014, 12:25:00 AM »

I was reffering with this video, the wires are hidden underneath the soil where he nailed the motor to make a connection from mains.
Hidden wires (externally) are not required. The 'alternator' has enough room to hide a small motor connected to the magnet generator plus the battery to both power the generator and the loads he is using. Modern batteries e.g. NiMh or Li-poly types are compact and powerful enough to fit in the 'alternator' while powering the loads in question. TinselKoala's pic shows that there is no end-to-end shaft going through the 'alternator'. Instead, a clearly incongruent, aluminum looking plate hides the insides.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2014, 01:40:47 AM »
::) C'mon! No serious engineer would go anywhere near that silly setup!

"keep it stupidly simple" - if you would have self running magnetic motor, no electrical parts are needed for a proof as mechanical measurements are enough ;)

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2014, 04:34:11 AM »
What I already wrote on Facebook:

Yes, Wasif, the problem is we have had  over the years many fakes, like the Mylow story, the Perendev scam and the Yildiz guy not coming forward and hiding the inner working of his motor and having cables coming out there, etc..

so Open Sourcing would be great and probably the only solution to a widespread acceptance in the conservative science community ...

What still concerns me is the fact, that when he put the clamp around the stator magnets and thus reduced again the distance of the stators versus the rotors, the motor speed did not change or drop...
I still believe the generator might still be a motor and just drives the Perendev style unit and that there are hidden batteries somewhere inside the double wood boards....we need to see the motor alone spin up  for at least a few seconds !

Come on, if the Perendev style motor is really working, you could easily show it without the "generator" by just controlling the stators with your hands and just show for a few seconds, how the rotor will selfaccelerate, when you press the stators together...
Also in the first Video I hear a hum noise which is simular to the noise a starting motor makes...so I think the generator is really a motor being powered by a hidden source..


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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2014, 04:34:11 AM »
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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2014, 04:42:46 AM »
What I already wrote on Facebook:

Yes, Wasif, the problem is we have had  over the years many fakes, like the Mylow story, the Perendev scam and the Yildiz guy not coming forward and hiding the inner working of his motor and having cables coming out there, etc..

so Open Sourcing would be great and probably the only solution to a widespread acceptance in the conservative science community ...

What still concerns me is the fact, that when he put the clamp around the stator magnets and thus reduced again the distance of the stators versus the rotors, the motor speed did not change or drop...
I still believe the generator might still be a motor and just drives the Perendev style unit and that there are hidden batteries somewhere inside the double wood boards....we need to see the motor alone spin up  for at least a few seconds !

Come on, if the Perendev style motor is really working, you could easily show it without the "generator" by just controlling the stators with your hands and just show for a few seconds, how the rotor will selfaccelerate, when you press the stators together...
Also in the first Video I hear a hum noise which is simular to the noise a starting motor makes...so I think the generator is really a motor being powered by a hidden source..


Dear Sir,


I talk to him he is not engineer, he is lawyer and a property dealer.


He said that there are some group of people behind this.


[size=78%]So i think he cant give us reasonable answers.[/size]
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Also he told me he is going to opensource also no need for money.


I requested him to visit him,he refuse and told me that he has no time to show me his device.


What i am worry is, if he want to opensource as he said, why is making alot of bublicity?


Regards,
D.J

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2014, 05:08:49 AM »

Dear Sir,


I talk to him he is not engineer, he is lawyer and a property dealer.


He said that there are some group of people behind this.


[size=78%]So i think he cant give us reasonable answers.[/size]
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Also he told me he is going to opensource also no need for money.


I requested him to visit him,he refuse and told me that he has no time to show me his device.


What i am worry is, if he want to opensource as he said, why is making alot of bublicity?


Regards,
D.J
That's funny because Wasif is all over the net asking people to visit him.  What you should be worried about is that the device is an obvious fake.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2014, 05:52:38 AM »
Careful asking Wasif to run the magnet motor alone without the generator. I believe he can do that, but not without a hidden ac feed from the mains. From the audible hum in the first video, we know he is using a 220V 50hz ac motor to drive the device. I am pretty sure the ac motor is hidden in the front section of the fake magnet motor and the generator is totally hollow. My reasoning is that no torque whatsoever is ever being transmitted through the spring coupling  (except to a short fake front generator shaft that only weighs a few ounces). So if he removes the coupling, the mag motor will still appear to spin by itself.  Just sayin up front in case he has the audacity to play that card.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2014, 06:22:38 AM »
I'm not making a statement to fake or real either way as I'm not qualified but "we know he is using a 220V 50hz [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]ac motor[/color] to drive the device. "  is a step too far.
SUrely crying fake without proof is the same as crying real without proof.


For instance his mum may have switched on the washing machine just out of shot hence the AC hum. :)






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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2014, 06:32:45 AM »
I'm not making a statement to fake or real either way as I'm not qualified but "we know he is using a 220V 50hz [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]ac motor[/color] to drive the device. "  is a step too far.
SUrely crying fake without proof is the same as crying real without proof.


For instance his mum may have switched on the washing machine just out of shot hence the AC hum. :)
Jim, we know that Wasif is lying from the simple observation that there is no perceptible reaction torque from the device he claims is a generator that produces 3kW at 80rpm, while connected to ~3kW of load.  Were the device actually what he claimed, it would require over 250 lb ft of torque to turn the shaft.  In both videos we see that the "generator" instead turns freely with just a gentle push.  In the second video we see that the "motor" and the "generator" are coupled with a poorly aligned and soft compression spring with only a common hose clamp retaining it on the "motor" side and no visible means of attachment on the "generator" side.  Yet, according to Wasif's claims that spring would have to transmit 250 lb ft of torque.  And as Dean has pointed out, the "generator" is missing the end bearing on the load side.

Wasif has revealed far more than enough to determine without any doubt that the machine is a very bad fake.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2014, 06:45:40 AM »
Jim, we know that Wasif is lying from the simple observation that there is no perceptible reaction torque from the device he claims is a generator that produces 3kW at 80rpm, while connected to ~3kW of load.  Were the device actually what he claimed, it would require over 250 lb ft of torque to turn the shaft.  In both videos we see that the "generator" instead turns freely with just a gentle push.  In the second video we see that the "motor" and the "generator" are coupled with a poorly aligned and soft compression spring with only a common hose clamp retaining it on the "motor" side and no visible means of attachment on the "generator" side.  Yet, according to Wasif's claims that spring would have to transmit 250 lb ft of torque.  And as Dean has pointed out, the "generator" is missing the end bearing on the load side.

Wasif has revealed far more than enough to determine without any doubt that the machine is a very bad fake.


I just have an issue with "we know". Not a problem with "he must be" or "He has to be" . Stating things as facts without actually having them can be a bit dodgy.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2014, 06:51:25 AM »
Jim, the observable facts concerning:  the lack of reaction torque, the absurd coupling, and the lack of an end bearing are there for all to see, as are Wasif's specific claims of power and rpm.  Those are direct observations.  They do not require deduction. 

The deduced proof is:  Wasif's power and rpm claims together require a reaction torque of more than 250 lb ft.  The device exhibits a reaction torque that is only a tiny fraction of 250 lb ft.  Ergo Wasif's claims are false.  QED.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2014, 06:56:34 AM »
QED he must be using a hidden motor. 
Semantics I know but I dont KNOW that he is using a 220V 50Hz AC motor. #justsayin

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2014, 07:05:59 AM »
QED he must be using a hidden motor. 
Semantics I know but I dont KNOW that he is using a 220V 50Hz AC motor. #justsayin
Jim, I don't make that specific claim.  Whether Dean is right or wrong in his speculation concerning the use of a 50Hz AC motor or not does not affect the fact that the lack of reaction torque proves that Wasif's claims are false.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2014, 07:26:42 AM »
if he is using 3.5kva generator as he said, then what i am looking, it is too small in size. this size generator can hardly give us 800watts only, as per my experience.
as far as i know 3.5kva is big enough generator.


Also if we let suppose it is 3.5kva then at full load as showing in his video, it will be very hard to rotate it. I dont think even a strong man can hardly rotate it.


Now the point is that how his small coupling spring bear that much force? :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
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