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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2014, 10:04:03 PM »
So what makes you think it is fake? 

Because it is, on the face of it, impossible according to well established laws of physics. Therefore, for me to believe it I need to see some real data. Not the usual jumbled video of something lighting up some lights. There is no real data in the video, and what is in the video is so easily faked I can think of three ways to do it without even trying. But there is no way that anyone can think of to make a Perendev-Yildiz-etc magnet motor work.

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Just because you think it is not possible or not possible a lesser wealth Pakistani person to make something that works?

Let me put it this way: I do not think that a poorly educated person making a poorly constructed machine and demonstrating it in the poorest manner possible could make something that works. In Pakistan, France or Texas.

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Or do you see some trickery in that video?

The fact that I do NOT see obvious trickery means he's an adequate trickster. They can't all be Mylows, you know. 

But... take a look at the first frames of the video. Note how the plywood board is NOT quite flat to the ground over near where it's pushed up against the wall or doorway. Why isn't it flat on the ground? What's under that piece of plywood? An extension cord, perhaps, leading over into the next room? 

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I personally didn't see any chance of outside wires or power that could be running it. 


Which is more probable, seriously: hidden wires, or a real violation of conservation of energy produced in a workshop in Pakistan?

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But with enough  persistence and motive anything can be faked.   I don't see this guy has any motive to fake this.  First one he sells will tell the story if it doesn't work.   


You don't see the motive? I'll bet you dollars to donuts that he has already made a profit.

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Thanks Chet for believing enough to give the guy a call.   And thanks much to DilJalaay for looking into this in person!   I look forward to any details you may be able to share.

Sure, me too. It will be especially interesting to see what the Pakistani Taliban will do with a Free Energy device.

Think about it.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2014, 10:04:03 PM »

Offline ramset

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2014, 11:14:20 PM »
Tinsel
The Pakistani are a wonderful Hard working People ,I never met one whom I would not gladly share the planet with ,and believe me in NYC and surrounds I have met Plenty.
 
Please don't take this thread there............
 
Regarding Fraud...selling a product In Pakistan, the consequence is not like the rest of the world they take honesty and intedgrity to a level which I would love to see more of here in the states.
 
thx
Chet
 
 

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2014, 12:26:12 AM »

Thanks Chet i will contact him tomarrow.

As a suggestion...if you could first and foremost ask him to post a video that addresses the concerns of fraud, inc. hidden power sources such as wires, batteries hidden inside the 'alternator' etc then this would mean he does not have to disclose the IP of his invention (that is not already disclosed) while demonstrating to us that the invention has validity. This more tactful approach is likely to have more success than just an outright request for the 'secrets' of his design. Any reluctance on his part to disprove fraud is a strong indicator that the design is indeed fake.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2014, 07:54:44 AM »
i talked with him, he says he will upload an other video soon, to clear all the doughts.


His facebook is open now.


They are a group of engineers , lawyers, x judges etc. they want this tech open source. i found him
not intrusted in money or businees etc. he say that he will open source it soon.




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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2014, 07:55:32 AM »
i talked with him, he says he will upload an other video soon, to clear all the doughts.


His facebook is open now.


They are a group of engineers , lawyers, x judges etc. they want this tech open source. i found him
not intrusted in money or businees etc. he say that he will open source it soon.


if i got time i will go to his place 600km.

by the way it is clear that he is not the main person. behind the scene are some other people.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2014, 10:31:57 AM by DilJalaay »

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2014, 08:35:46 AM »

if i got time i will go to his place 600km.

It looks entirely fake to me. The curiously shaped board it is mounted on is pushed hard against the door. I would wager he is using it to conceal a power cord fed from a power source in the next room.

Such video demonstrations a simply not credible evidence.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2014, 07:21:58 PM »
Because it is, on the face of it, impossible according to well established laws of physics.
It seems to me well established laws are being broken a lot lately.  A well established idea from scientists some hundred years ago was that man could never fly in a heavier than air craft. 


 
Therefore, for me to believe it I need to see some real data. Not the usual jumbled video of something lighting up some lights. There is no real data in the video, and what is in the video is so easily faked I can think of three ways to do it without even trying. But there is no way that anyone can think of to make a Perendev-Yildiz-etc magnet motor work.
 Let me put it this way: I do not think that a poorly educated person making a poorly constructed machine and demonstrating it in the poorest manner possible could make something that works. In Pakistan, France or Texas.
That's quite a leap in thinking to say he is poorly educated.   Do you think all Pakistani are poorly educated.  This guy speaks two languages and English well enough that IMO that makes him educated more than many Americans.

 
  The fact that I do NOT see obvious trickery means he's an adequate trickster. They can't all be Mylows, you know. 

But... take a look at the first frames of the video. Note how the plywood board is NOT quite flat to the ground over near where it's pushed up against the wall or doorway. Why isn't it flat on the ground? What's under that piece of plywood? An extension cord, perhaps, leading over into the next room? 

I've seen lots of warped plywood.  He needed the generator to be held down to something or it would likely have vibrated around and less likely to stay in line with the magnet motor.   Is it possible he was  hiding a wire ?   Sure that's possible but I find it less likely.   How are you going to sell anything if people immediately find it doesn't work?   As Chet points out they have a lot of integrity not commonly found in many places.   That seems 'less likely' to me that it is being faked.   But as always there are those who believe most people are basically good and those who believe most people are basically bad.   

 
  Which is more probable, seriously: hidden wires, or a real violation of conservation of energy produced in a workshop in Pakistan? 
I guess you didn't read Professor Pappas' info I referred you to on the conservation of energy.    COE is more hogwash or should I say brainwashing.

 
  You don't see the motive? I'll bet you dollars to donuts that he has already made a profit.
   We can all make assumptions.   I won't say any more about that.


 
  Sure, me too. It will be especially interesting to see what the Pakistani Taliban will do with a Free Energy device.
Think about it.
That setup is a long way from being a weapon.   But maybe they will be spending more time watching TV and have less interest in their guns.   And with more of their needs easily met maybe they'll be a lot less angry.   At least we could hope but I seriously doubt that it will be any concern for any time in the near future.     BTW I wouldn't normally respond to all your comments but for me it was more of an exercise in trying the multi-quote setup which I have not used (in a long time if at all).   Easy as pie  ;)

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2014, 08:02:31 PM »
Some info from Professor Pappas corrected for typos (he is Greek):
"Clear over Energy with every spark

click here to see photos (not available in this quote)

Over Maxwell electrodynamics, Weber electrodynamics,
 (which weber modified, axiomatically, the Ampere force,
 to include unecessarilly and ironically the Faraday induction,
 and ironically the self destructive, for his theory,
 conservation of energy, (which is, also, an axiomtiical dogma
 for classical physics, definetely invalid for us and our
 present and past experiments), reference: J.P. Wesley, Foundations
 of Physics letters, vol.3, no.5, 1990, vol.3, no.6, 1990.)
 after, the experimental verification of energy dramatic increase,
 (measured by Pappas, see schemtic 5), implying non conservtion of energy.
 Though, Faraday's induction is a theoretical prediction of
 Ampere's electrodynamics based on the Ampere force alone,
 and ignored by Weber and Maxwell !
 See also schemtic 5 and its remarks.
your corrections, your questions, your remarks: 

"i do not understand this", your congratulations, your  criticism, your
objections: are welcomed.  Dare to speak to me, dare to argue with me
pseudo-super race, what you can not understand !  What do you expect to
understand,  if you are unable to to understand some of these, so obvious
conclusions your self ?   I can defend proudly all I claim !

As, I am not interested and have no time visiting the pages of
layman of social net meeting, (i.e. face book,... etc), by myself,
if it happens to want (to communicate with me) so, you should invite me
personally first by an e-mail to do so:
mailto:ppappas@papimi.com

 
Pappas-Amperian electrodynamics, the only real and correct electrodynamics.
      Free  energy and Papimi

Pappas revelation of the Ampere's hidden and covered cardinal law
of electromotive or motional force:

note: do not confuse the Ampere cardinal law with the mislabeled Ampere law
which is his circuital law.

The secret Ampere cardinal law generates energy and the whole electrodynamics,
and more, by the proofs of P.T. Pappas.

The central and key theorem that the scientists of planet earth
do not know, for the secret law below and the force law of lorentz:
 click here soon

The most important law of electrodynamics, the secret and hidden Ampere cardinal law,
not found in any contemporary book, the greatest mistake and imperfection of classical electromagnetism:
(image of formula could not be copied as it was a .jpg and can't be pasted in this test on OU)
(last part of formula below - see http://papimi.gr/ to see the rest - just search
for above text "imperfection of classical electromagnetism" to find area where formula is posted)
=rdq1dq2/c  2r  34pe0){c  2-{2v2.v1-3r-2(v2.r)(v1.r)}
including the Coulomb law.
This is one law equation, generates energy, makes modern electrodynamics,
from which, all 4-5 equations in cases when they are correct, -axioms of J.C. Maxwell,
assumed father of today's electromagnetism and more unknown and
exclusive electrodynamic effects, may be deuced.

Say no to field theory, definitely no to the wrong concept of magnetic field b.
Say yes, instead to the cardinal law of Ampere.
Say no to the Lorentz formula, particular to those cases,
which the Lorentz is not equivalent to the universally correct law of Ampere,
predicting more things than the Maxwelian electromagnetism,
to be revealed by us, soon.

The wrong, for individual currents (individual electrons),
formula of Lorentz, found in every book, not though so,
the much superior formula of Ampere:

(again formula is in a .jpg so can't be posted here - see my note above for directions to view it)

Huge mistake and imperfection of electromagnetism,
Geynman, Nobel laureate, attempted to corrected it by another mistake, the existence
of virtual photons of quantum electrodynamics. For god shake virtual reality in physics !
Oor better para-physics !
Einstein, another Nobel laureate, erroneously and ironically, adopted "relativity", for it !
for more see http://papimi.gr  ,  http://papimi.gr/tek.htm  and many more pages there on papami.gr.   Many typos on the pages but tons of information if you can get by the spelling errors ( I assume because English is not his native language and just the sheer volume of info there leads me to believe he spits this stuff out at a very fast rate and doesn't know where the Backspace key is ;)   )

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2014, 08:24:21 PM »
That's pretty funny, coming from someone who is typing at a computer -- which device is designed according to, its behavior predicted accurately by, it is constructed by devices operating using.... the very principles and dynamics that Pappas rejects !

Yet I don't see anything that is correspondingly designed or predicted by Pappas's alternative to conventional physics, that isn't already covered by what he's rejecting.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2014, 08:30:42 PM »
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That setup is a long way from being a weapon.

That's the silliest thing I've read yet. Of course it's a fake, but IF IT WERE REAL..... it is IMMEDIATELY useful to bad people who have things like AK47s and RPGs. Even with its silly taped-up shaft junction.
And it's immediately very interesting to people like, for example, Mossad, the CIA, and whatever they call the KGB in Russia these days. Does the fact that they haven't snapped up this fellow (and those behind him) and installed him in a secret underground laboratory, perhaps indicate a certain strange Non-Interest? Yet we all know what a boon to any country's National Security such a device and principle would really mean. Or some of us do, anyway.
Look up, will you, the cost of a liter of Diesel fuel or kerosene at the sharp end of the stick up in the mountains of Pakistan and Afghanistan. You might be surprised.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2014, 08:53:57 PM »

if i got time i will go to his place 600km.

by the way it is clear that he is not the main person. behind the scene are some other people.

thanks :)


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alike, then somebody
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2014, 09:48:39 PM »
thanks :)


If everyone is thinking
alike, then somebody
isn’t thinking.
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Lets wait and enjoy some pepCi KoLa, coCa KoLa. ;D

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2014, 10:12:01 PM »
I'm impressed by how strong the gentleman must be to be capable of spinning by hand so easily, a 3kw alternator with a load attached to it.

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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2014, 10:29:04 PM »
I'm impressed by how strong the gentleman must be to be capable of spinning by hand so easily, a 3kw alternator with a load attached to it.


No. no force needed initially because outer magnet cage was open, and easy to spin.
And after that moment of  spin he immediately closes the upper magnet cage.


Long long ago i found and intrusting video on YT exacltly basis of this setup.
I am trying to find it, if i sussed i will post the link.




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Re: Wasif Kahloon's Magnet Motor
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2014, 08:08:39 AM »
I'm impressed by how strong the gentleman must be to be capable of spinning by hand so easily, a 3kw alternator with a load attached to it.
Give that man a prize!
Note that there are no switches visible between the "generator" and the alleged 3kW of load.
Note that 3kW at 80 rpm = 8.38r/s requires 358 N*m of torque = 264 lb ft.  Yet the operator easily moves the "generator" shaft with gentle movements of his hand.

The device he calls a "generator" is actually the motor.
The device he calls the motor is nothing.  It is there for show.  It is turned by the "generator".
The power for his heating elements comes from the power source for the "generator" which is most certainly hidden wires.

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