"amplify each other", well normally you need input for something to amplify, so i am still not sure how this should work.

Anyway, i finished the 3 coil setup on the nanoperm core, any suggestions on how/what to connect to fullfill the above situation?
Video here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqDckFNtSg&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

Do the same test as you did last with 2*200 turn ferrite ring:


Feed the L3 with your signal generator.
One secondary L2 is electrically isolated LC and on the other LC you connect load bulb same as before.


Can you see secondary resonance occurring ? If not, then power amp is needed to drive L3. Secondary resonance did not occur with 2*200 setup without power amp, so maybe this thing needs amps and not volts to drive it. Would make sense as amps are needed to magnetize core.


If L3 is without a cap, then does it block current at secondary resonance (which should be around 10 kHz with this setup) ?
If it does not block then resonant cap is needed in L3 to drop current consumption. 90 turns L3 blocked in my setup, and resonant cap improved the output power.


If cap is not used, then current consumption in L3 should not change when other L2 is loaded, does it happen ?
If resonant cap is placed in L3 (tuned to found secondary resonance), then resonance in L3 should remain when other L2 is loaded, does it happen ?


It would be interesting to see what happens in the isolated LC at secondary resonance with this setup, with and without load.

Do the same test as you did last with 2*200 turn ferrite ring:


Feed the L3 with your signal generator.
One secondary L2 is electrically isolated LC and on the other LC you connect load bulb same as before.


Can you see secondary resonance occurring ? If not, then power amp is needed to drive L3. Secondary resonance did not occur with 2*200 setup without power amp, so maybe this thing needs amps and not volts to drive it. Would make sense as amps are needed to magnetize core.


If L3 is without a cap, then does it block current at secondary resonance (which should be around 10 kHz with this setup) ?
If it does not block then resonant cap is needed in L3 to drop current consumption. 90 turns L3 blocked in my setup, and resonant cap improved the output power.


If cap is not used, then current consumption in L3 should not change when other L2 is loaded, does it happen ?
If resonant cap is placed in L3 (tuned to found secondary resonance), then resonance in L3 should remain when other L2 is loaded, does it happen ?


It would be interesting to see what happens in the isolated LC at secondary resonance with this setup, with and without load.

I did not have much time for testing, but i managed to do the first setup like mentioned above.

L3 has the FG input, and it seems that the both secondaries resonante at 4.8KHz.

The current in the left secondary stays stable, so nothing is blocked.

So the next step would be to have L3 resonate using a capacitor on this 4.8KHz, to see what happens with the current,  right?

 
Regards Itsu

according to verpies at resonance core is not necessarily saturated if drive current is too low.

That's true for a series LC circuit.
For parallel LC circuit, the drive current can be low but the LC circulation current can be high.

That's true for a series LC circuit.
For parallel LC circuit, the drive current can be low but the LC circulation current can be high.

So maybe try to put the 2 coils wound on each side of the core in series with 1 cap, or a cap on each connection(should be the same thing if the 2 caps were 2 times the uf as the 1 cap).

Connections of the coils may have to be tried in reverse if nothing happens.

Then instead of trying to load one of the 2 coils, wind a 4th coil(3rd being the outer coil as shown earlier) and try loading that when the 1 and 2 coils, really 1 bigger coil, are in resonance.
Loading the 4th coil will change the resonant freq, so once a load is chosen, adjust the freq in accordingly for that load.

3 ways to wind the 4th coil

1  wind it in either area where coils 1 and 2 are not, the open spaces between 1 and 2, and test.

2  wind 2 coils, each on top of 1 and 2 coils, then series them to be 1 coil, and test

3  add an additional core to the winding in way 1.  We use another core(doesnt have to be the same as the main core) where we wind the wire through the main core and through the second core. So through main core, through second core, through the main core and through the second core till done. Space the second core a bit, maybe 1/4 to 1/2 in. from the main core, in a position that makes what looks like a figure 8 or a snow man.     The addition of the second core to the 4th winding will allow the 4th coil to be loaded without disturbing the resonance of coils 1 and 2.   


I would go for way 3 , as I think loading any coil on the main core will kill resonance of the resonating coils.    We all know that there appears to be more going on in resonance compared to the input. The trouble is extracting that larger energy. Seems no matter what we do, loading kills off the resonance or alters the freq drastically and the freq would have to change with varying loads. But if we can extract without killing the resonance, then that is the path I would take.

Ive tested the multi core described in  the PDF "Classic Flux Anomaly" I presented earlier, no resonance based tests at the time, and when loading the secondary that has 2 magnetic circuits, the idle primary input is reduced as compared to no loading of the secondary. Loading the secondary increases the inductance of the primary, which is opposite of what we are used to.

In the pdf it states that loading the secondary doesnt kill the primary if in resonance. It may change the primary freq due to increasing the primary inductance, not sure. Havnt gotten to try that part yet. Plan to. 

Mags

Itsu:

I may have the beginnings of the answer to the mystery of why the resonance frequency jumps up so high when you are driving both secondary tank circuits.  It's an incomplete answer and I am feeling my limitations.  (I think I just figured out the key clue, you may be able to confirm it for yourself.)

For starters we know that the angular resonance frequency of an LC tank circuit is 1/Sqrt(LC).

Since the resonance frequency jumps up very high when you connect the two separate series tank circuits, let's make the assumption that the effective L decreases dramatically when both tank circuits are connected.

Now here is a thought experiment:  Remove both capacitors and drive the setup through L3 like normal.  We now have a transformer setup with L1 and L2 as secondaries, with a "bizarre" core that resembles a "cylinder" inside the L3 coil.  The "top" of the "cylinder" is the upper exposed blue toroid.  The "bottom" of the "cylinder" is the lower exposed blue toroid.  Lines of magnetic flux travel through the air between the "top" and "bottom" of the "cylinder."

Let's suppose that L1 and L2 generate perfectly matched EMF.  If we connect the L1 and L2 outputs together so that they are in phase, then it still looks like an open circuit "pair of secondaries."  The EMFs match and no current flows through L1 and L2.

Conversely, if we connect L1 and L2 together so that they are out of phase, then you will have an AC short circuit, lots of current will flow through L1 and L2, that will be reflected to L3, so that the signal generator will see L3 looking like a heavy load.  Since there is no closed loop magnetic circuit for the core, it looks like a somewhat heavy load to the signal generator and not a near-AC short-circuit condition.  If you had a true closed-loop toroidal core for L3 then it would look like much more of an AC short-circuit.  (In the past few minutes I am very confident I figured it out, and that last sentence is the big clue, but moving on....)

We know that if you have an AC short circuit, that looks like L=0.   However, we are in the real world, and the EMFs generated by L1 and L2 will not exactly match.  Lo and behold with EMFs that don't exactly match, it looks like L is very small.  That would translate into a much higher resonant frequency, so it looks like we may be on the right track.

To be continued...

MileHigh

Itsu:

I may have the beginnings of the answer to the mystery of why the resonance frequency jumps up so high when you are driving both secondary tank circuits.  It's an incomplete answer and I am feeling my limitations.  (I think I just figured out the key clue, you may be able to confirm it for yourself.)

For starters we know that the angular resonance frequency of an LC tank circuit is 1/Sqrt(LC).

Since the resonance frequency jumps up very high when you connect the two separate series tank circuits, let's make the assumption that the effective L decreases dramatically when both tank circuits are connected.

Now here is a thought experiment:  Remove both capacitors and drive the setup through L3 like normal.  We now have a transformer setup with L1 and L2 as secondaries, with a "bizarre" core that resembles a "cylinder" inside the L3 coil.  The "top" of the "cylinder" is the upper exposed blue toroid.  The "bottom" of the "cylinder" is the lower exposed blue toroid.  Lines of magnetic flux travel through the air between the "top" and "bottom" of the "cylinder."

Let's suppose that L1 and L2 generate perfectly matched EMF.  If we connect the L1 and L2 outputs together so that they are in phase, then it still looks like an open circuit "pair of secondaries."  The EMFs match and no current flows through L1 and L2.

Conversely, if we connect L1 and L2 together so that they are out of phase, then you will have an AC short circuit, lots of current will flow through L1 and L2, that will be reflected to L3, so that the signal generator will see L3 looking like a heavy load.  Since there is no closed loop magnetic circuit for the core, it looks like a somewhat heavy load to the signal generator and not a near-AC short-circuit condition.  If you had a true closed-loop toroidal core for L3 then it would look like much more of an AC short-circuit.  (In the past few minutes I am very confident I figured it out, and that last sentence is the big clue, but moving on....)

We know that if you have an AC short circuit, that looks like L=0.   However, we are in the real world, and the EMFs generated by L1 and L2 will not exactly match.  Lo and behold with EMFs that don't exactly match, it looks like L is very small.  That would translate into a much higher resonant frequency, so it looks like we may be on the right track.

To be continued...

MileHigh

"Conversely, if we connect L1 and L2 together so that they are out of phase, then you will have an AC short circuit, lots of current will flow through L1 and L2, that will be reflected to L3, so that the signal generator will see L3 looking like a heavy load."

L3 is induced very little if any by currents in L1 and/or L2. It s an asymmetric transformer and L3 is the primary. No other use for it in this configuration. 

Mags

I told you to never interact with me on this forum again.  The worst behaviour that I have ever seen on this forum was from you bashing me repeatedly and relentlessly.

Do not engage with me on the forum.

These are your words....

http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg388214/#msg388214

 " At the same time there is freedom to comment in both senses "



http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg388214/#msg388214


It's a good thing that people can comment.


http://www.overunity.com/14128/an-interesting-phenomenon-i-found/msg388223/#msg388223

People can try whatever they want, and also get comments from people with differing views


So dont give me the 'I told you this and I told you that.' 

You either stand buy your own words or YOU can stop commenting on my posts, like you just did before this one.  (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)   Go ahead. Tell Stefan.  You have no rights to restrict me from posting as I please. I called you no names.  I have as much posting "freedom" as YOU.  So if you want to make a complaint, Ill meet you in pm and we can discuss this with Stefan. I have no problem with that. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Mags