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Author Topic: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)  (Read 17835 times)

Offline dieter

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2014, 10:47:12 PM »
Update: I have just observed an anomaly with diamagnetic graphite that makes this tugger much more plausible. You may repeat this experiment with only s pencil and a magnet. Yet to be verified tho. See here:


www.overunity.com/14274/turn-off-a-pm-strategies/new/#new

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2014, 10:47:12 PM »

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2014, 11:21:33 PM »

It is cool that you are doing such seemingly impractical investigations of tiny effects, because that tiny unnoticed things are only things left after centuries of massive investments into academies. In case of AMTs discussing here - I am interesting in changeless magnetic fields where distances between ferromagnetic and diamagnetic comonents are changeless and both vectors and magnitudes of magnetomotive forces are permanent. I tested many carbon based materials and found them acting similar to others diamagnetics and found that there great number of different compositions having vary diferent indices of magnetic susceptability varying from minus ten to minus hundreds for pyrolytic carbon.
Though interesting is your noticing that moving magnet producing multiple or complex effects - here I support your suggestion that also electrostatic forces could be manifesting along with weak magnetomechanical effects and carbon could form sort of domains capable to change its electic polarisation.
Plus... I've even seen videos where man has slab of carbon for levitation of strong magnet above that slab - what means that forces are sufficient to hover mass of magnet itself. Also, internet has many videos where tiny pyrocarbon plates hovering over sets of magnets.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Carbon_forms


Offline dieter

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2014, 12:51:16 AM »
That's right, pyrolytic graphite is often used for diamagnetic levitation.


Extreme diamagnetism has a diamond, at least in theory, like 10000, compared to 100 of Pyrolytic carbon, but when I tried it with a tiny diamond, it didn't perform more than graphite. I think it really is a diamond (uncut, 2mm cubus crystal) and no fake, as I was able to scratch a ruby with it.


Also very interesting in terms of diamagnetism: Nanotubes and Graphene...

Offline ageofmagnetizm

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2014, 01:44:10 AM »

Regarding mentioned here diamagnetic materials acting within magnetic flux:


1. it seams more practical - to analyze diamagnetics with application of lists or
tables of magnetic susceptibility (not permeability) where more negative indices
are associated with materials having properties of "stronger expulsion" of magnetic flux
and sort of repulsion of magnet itself;


2. it seams more practical to analyze magnetic flux as phenomena subscribed by
theories of  wave-particle duality where many manifestations allow to suggest that,
partially, flux behave similar to flows (of gas or liquids) manifesting behaviors
subscribed by formalizm of wave-mechanics such as refraction etc....
doing so you can contemplate that its more practical to experiment with thin plates
intersecting large portion of applied magnetic fields, - instead of application of same
bulk-mass of materials in shape of rods, cubes or balls - intersecting small part
of applied magnetic flux. Weight-to-surface ratios are important and can be somehow
interpolated with spread large but thin sails of a ship producing sufficient propulsion
while rolled-up sails cause that a ship is relatively motionless -
however mass of sails is the same.


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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2014, 08:51:36 PM »
I am observing a graphite pendulum, that hangs close to a microwave oven ring magnet. I push it slightly. It remains in motion for a extraordonary long time. However, as it swings closer to the ringmagnet, it often does not swing away again in the exact mirrored angle, but swings away in random angles +- 70 degrees of what is expected from plain action/reaction... very strange.


BTW. I agree with the surface vs fieldstrength thesis.

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
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Offline ageofmagnetizm

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2014, 01:48:42 PM »

Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tuggers have been improved and successfully tested!
Enjoy reading about it at:


https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/home/magnetomechanics/magnetorefractive/geomagnetic/magnetomachanical/asymmetric-magnetomotive-tuggers/asymmetric-magnetomotive-panels


Also watch video of testing of prototype at:


http://youtu.be/ko9sIwvp024


Or, simply enjoy photo of one of prototypes here and ... comment, discuss, ask, suggest ... or even try to build your own structures of complex magnetic permeability.

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2014, 04:23:53 PM »
@ageofmagnetizm:


I'm impressed with your experiments and development! I hope that when you finish the "loop" (ie wheel) that it doesn't kill the effect. . . .


Please keep us posted with your continued work ~ both good results and bad  :)


truesearch

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
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Offline ageofmagnetizm

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2014, 11:21:44 AM »

@truesearch


Thanks for sharing optimizm. I feel lot of power for carrying on my research,
just want my blisters to fade away during summer vacation.
I also understand your tiny portion of pesimizm about "wheel" because that
this will smash out many of basic axioms we are prospering on. 


Would you please suggest which effect could be "killed" when in "loop"?


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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2014, 04:47:39 PM »
@ageofmagnetizm:


Based on your webpage explaining the "AMT" I notice that your representation of a magnet is like this (field-lines drawn similar to "radiating" lines):
https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/_/rsrc/1387704527294/home/magnetomechanics/magnetorefractive/geomagnetic/magnetomachanical/asymmetric-magnetomotive-tuggers/TUGGERMAGNET.JPG

I rather think that magnet "field-lines" MUST travel between the SOUTH and NORTH poles of the magnet like the traditional drawings for a magnet:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/VFPt_cylindrical_magnet_thumb.svg/220px-VFPt_cylindrical_magnet_thumb.svg.png
It maybe inccorrect but my opinion is that if the "field-lines" are COMPLETELY broken (no return path) then the magnet will immediately stop being a manget. . .

Now, the problem that MIGHT happen is that once you have a complete "wheel" that there will be no possible way for any return "field-lines" and then the magnetic force will stop pushing/tugging to make continual motion. . . I REALLY hope I'm wrong and that your design will work.
https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/_/rsrc/1387706258891/home/magnetomechanics/magnetorefractive/geomagnetic/magnetomachanical/asymmetric-magnetomotive-tuggers/TUGGERSTRAINSFIELD.JPG

Please understand that I respect your experiments and SINCERELY hope that your build is a "self-runner".


Wishing you the best! And keep us posted ~ if it works or not  :) 


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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2014, 05:37:59 PM »
ageofmagnetizm,  If you haven't seen it yet there is some new research and a free ebook (PDF) on "Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism"  here:  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/17560-uncovering-missing-secrets-magnetism-92-pages-free-new-book.html
Also of interest by the same author is another message thread here: 
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19554-free-energy-thats-been-hiding-under-your-noses-faraday-maxwell-themselves.html
 titled : 'Free energy' thats been hiding under your noses from Faraday and Maxwell themselves
The author of the book (who is the person writing in those message threads) says he has every book on magnetism on the planet and has done extensive research on the true nature of magnetism and is explaining it in ways that mainstream science has failed to do.   You may find some information of interest to you.

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
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Offline ageofmagnetizm

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2014, 11:28:21 AM »

@truesearch


Thanks for this question.
Never thought that my sketches of geometry of magnetic fields can be
comprehend so different.


Indeed my drawings are some different from similar conventional systems.
When I compare two images of fields of bar magnets from my report and
drawing of "cylindrical magnet" which you've scripted here, - than I see
that both have "fields lines" indicating directions of magnetomotive forces
round magnets. Both images have these lines suddenly interrupted, but on yours -
painted lines discontinue at the edges of image, and on mine - painted green vectors
discontinue by semi-circular contour-lines which indicate equipotential planes where all measured forces are equal in magnitude. If measuring device is calibrating
for higher sensitivity - than length of drawn vectors increase and second pairs
of contour lines can be painted above-over, following measurements allows to paint
more and more contour-lines and elongating vectors become connecting
opposite magnetic poles of the bar magnet. Such image will become identical to yours
but also having contour-lines indicating change of magnitude of forces.
Its very seldom when I conduct such extensive measurements, just
for pure academic curiosity, - oftenly, I measure magnetomotive forces
in that volume of space where its direction and magnitude are important for experiments,
hence my drawings can be continued with longer vectors covering whole
planes of drawings, but such drawings would not provide better comprehension of
experiments. But that does not means that "field-lines" are COMPLETELY broken"
 - they simply not painted further where its parameters are unimportant for presentation.


Obviously that "lines" go somewhere, most of connect to "lines" of opposite pole
of same magnet, others go to opposite poles of other magnets, and some of them
go event to magnetic poles of planetary magnetic fields. Soon later I'll read some more about geometries of "reluctant magnetic circuits" which you've mentioned
in the second part of your question.


Do not hesitate to ask about anything else - this increase my comprehension of others
comprehension of me, and allows to improve quality of following reports.

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2014, 07:38:38 PM »
@ageofmagnetizm:


Thanks for your response to my ignorant concern ~ it's obvious that you want to share your knowledge and experience  :)


On another note, there was a link posted on another thread for Ken Wheeler's "Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism" book. Here it is if anyone wants to see it:
http://www.kathodos.com/magnetismsmall.pdf


truesearch


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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2014, 09:55:26 AM »

@@truesearch


I've looked through my reports again and found that its explained that
green vectors indicate geometry of 'measured' magnetomotive forces
near, along or around particular objects - not whole magnetic fields as far
as possible. Direction of arrows indicates direction of attraction
(not repulsion) and lengths of arrows indicate magnitude of force which
is also indicated by contour-lines.


Now about that that:
"then the magnetic force will stop pushing/tugging to make continual motion."
Indeed, your suggestion is OK. I've build several prototypes of sections of
magnetic motors which manifest good results in section but can not be build
in rings, and I've seen many build by others which stubs for the same reason.
One of such motor I have published and it is on my YouTube channel at:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXma6_-iHok


When its stator is build in ring then reluctance of its magnetic circuits
dramatically drops down and forces near magnetorefracting screens
become too weak for propulsion of motive magnet.
Such effect can not occur in my discussing here arrangements of
magnetomotive trains.


Explanation of my current arrangement of reluctant magnetic circuits
can be simplified to one pair of bar magnets - one dynamic magnet being
perpendicular to the axle of motor and capable to move, and one
static magnet being parallel to the axle.
Dynamic magnet has its North pole toward axle and South pole
toward static magnet, static magnet has its North pole toward South pole
of dynamic magnet hence these poles attracting each others.
Magnets attract by nearest magnetic poles but they also could attract by
distant magnetic poles such forcing magnets to become parallel to
each others but there is no attraction because that those distant poles
are attached to ferromagnetic components of motor which absorb
magnetic flux of those poles and there
"magnetic force ... stop pushing/tugging" as you've suggested.
But this can not happens between interacting magnetic poles because that
there is permanent air gap which function as reluctant part of
reluctant magnetic circuit formed by two magnets and ferromagnetic
components which form loop including: base- magnet-air-magnet - hub.
Building of such loops in series round hub - does not influence permeability
of air between interacting magnetic poles,
hence reluctance of magnetic circuits remains constant and magnitude
of magnetomotive forces remains constant too, moreover -
interacting magnets continuously magnetize each others what cause that
magnets remain as strong as possible for its molecular composition.


I'll be glad to read more suggestions of possible reasons of malfunctions.

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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2014, 02:51:57 PM »
Asymmetric Magnetomotive Panels also are discussing here.
Said Panels are ambient fields propulsion systems made of
Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tractors which are dipolar variants of
Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tuggers made of permanent magnets
having structures of complex magnetic permeability attached to both
magnetic poles of utilizing magnets.[size=78%] [/size]
So producing magnetic fields have artificial geometry what causes that
ambient magnetic fields tugs Panels perpendicular to vectors of
magnetomotive forces of ambient fields.
Construction and function of Asymmetric Magnetomotive Panels are
explained in the second paragraph at:


https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/home/magnetomechanics/magnetorefractive/geomagnetic/magnetomachanical/asymmetric-magnetomotive-tuggers/asymmetric-magnetomotive-panels


Following is photo of tested prototype of Panel made of four
Dipolar Asymmetric Tractors, where green vectors indicate
magnetomotive forces measured round/along of panel.


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Re: Asymmetric Magnetomotive Tugger (shortly: AMT)
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2015, 05:32:07 PM »
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