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Offline M Drive Inventor

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2013, 05:24:09 AM »
"Now it appears that you are arguing that the friction IS sufficient to couple momentum between the substrate and the DUT"

The wheels of the machine need to move backwards and forwards for propulsion to occur. They are not completely frictionless, as that's impossible. I was simply pointing out that the little friction that's left in the wheels could possibly pull the plate with it when they start to move, even if reactionless propulsion occurs. Though, the same is true when they move in the opposite direction, so it wont favor the wagon moving in any direction.

Hopefully though, the friction left in the wheels is not large enough and no reaction occurs when they move across the surface.

Edit: Plane glass bought ($30). One of the gyros is broken right now though, so no experiment for a while.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2013, 11:14:45 AM by M Drive Inventor »

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #76 on: December 13, 2013, 06:35:53 PM »
How convenient that you cannot provide any real data about this claim of yours. My herd of invisible pink unicorns is laughing about it still. (We just got back from showing them to a university professor, who is really impressed, but we can't talk about it due to our NDAs.)

I don't believe this claim, and I know people with _lots_ of money who have been trying to do this very thing for many years (Joe Firmage and Motion Sciences to mention just one very-well-funded group working on "streptation" and gyro antigravity) and they haven't been able to do it. So without any supporting evidence for the claim, I've got to say that either you are mistaken or you have been the victim of a hoax yourself.
I'm just saying what seemed a fascinating subject related here and wish I had more info on it myself.   I'm not making this up but will admit it's possible it's not what I was shown.   However in my best judgement this person is intelligent and honest and I checked him out a bit finding he has a successful business of the type where ethics and a honesty are paramount.   Of course there's always one bad apple in any barrel but just saying I found no reason to doubt his work.  I'll make an attempt to get in touch with him again although it's been several years.   


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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #77 on: December 13, 2013, 08:14:46 PM »
The wheels of the machine need to move backwards and forwards for propulsion to occur. They are not completely frictionless, as that's impossible.

Could you do away with the skateboard entirely:
 - mount your mechanism on an upper plate of glass
 - lower plate and ball bearings as TK suggested...

Does that solve the problem?

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #78 on: December 13, 2013, 11:23:03 PM »
How many cycles of movement or distance moved would be required to show it working?
 Your probably not going to have much time on a glass plate before all the balls fly out from any tilting action.
 It might help to lower the center of gravity as much as possible to gain better support on the glass.
 
 


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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #79 on: December 14, 2013, 02:25:13 AM »
Does that solve the problem?

We're not even sure it is a problem at this point.

How many cycles of movement or distance moved would be required to show it working?

As many as it takes for either the glass plate or the machine to move, which could be as little as one cycle.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #80 on: December 14, 2013, 02:25:17 AM »
Question for Mdrive :  Considering the amount of energy being expended to get such a device to much a very short distance what use or advantage would this have in the real world?   In other words can you envision any situation this would be useful and energy saving or even money saving?   If not what is the purpose of all your hard work?   If it is only to prove a scientific principle wrong I think you will have a long hard road ahead to convince any serious physicists or scientists.    But if you do see a good use for this then push on and best of luck and don't let the skeptics get you down.   

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2013, 02:37:31 AM »
Question for Mdrive :  Considering the amount of energy being expended to get such a device to much a very short distance what use or advantage would this have in the real world?   In other words can you envision any situation this would be useful and energy saving or even money saving?   If not what is the purpose of all your hard work?   If it is only to prove a scientific principle wrong I think you will have a long hard road ahead to convince any serious physicists or scientists.  But if you do see a good use for this then push on and best of luck and don't let the skeptics get you down.
It's impossible to answer any such questions at this point since this is only a proof of concept. At the very least it would be useful for space travel. As long as you have power (electricity), you can accelerate a spacecraft, meaning you could reach speeds that would be literally impossible for a rocket.

And if it turns out that a decade of research and development makes a version that delivers more thrust than the weight of the machine, well then you have an "anti-gravity machine", and I don't think I need to tell you why that would be revolutionary.

As for "serious scientists". Any actually serious one would look at the evidence and make a judgment based on it. If the experiments can be repeated consistently, and consistently produce evidence of a reactionless drive, then, if they're actually serious, they need to consider the possibility of the reactionless drive being possible. In the end, Newtons third law is a theory like any else, and subject to change.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #82 on: December 17, 2013, 01:00:30 PM »
Minor update: I began replacing all the wood on the M Drive for metal in order to make it more stable. I got pretty far with the help of my mechanic, but it's not finished yet. The broken gyroscope is fixed though (motor/gyro coupling broke in half because of stress).

I'll keep you updated, and I'll probably post again just after christmas. First experiments on the list are the 'shake experiment' I told you about and TinselKoala's 'reaction experiment' with the glass.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #84 on: December 26, 2013, 11:58:54 PM »
Minor update: M Drive version 3 is nearing completion.

http://i.imgur.com/M1HxBxd.jpg

Got a new rail which will prevent the wheels from popping up. Replaced all the flexible wood for sturdy, lightweight aluminium. Might actually be a little too light, as the gyroscopes weigh quite a bit and they *need* to move back and forth along the X axis. But yeah, I'll probably just tape a water bottle to the wagon part or something. Whatever works.

Also have further support in form of a new support pillar in the front. So yeah, lot of improvements. I'll be able to push the RPM of the scaffold with the gyros on a lot higher now, hopefully resulting in increased propulsion. Here's hoping.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #85 on: January 16, 2014, 03:15:47 AM »
Sorry about the delay, although I guess I should be apologizing to myself since I'm only hurting myself.

Anyway, the new version has had a lot of problems which have taken time to iron out. It's more or less up and running now though, just need to fix one last thing.

I have everything needed for the 'glass experiment', which hopefully will convince people it's the actual gyros pulling the machine forward and not the bearings/wheels pushing it forward somehow. I have access to a 'machinist level'. Google translate says they're called "spirit-level"? Anyway, it's one of these:

http://www.hultafors.se/webimages/03-Hultafors/50-Image_pictures/03-Levelling/Levelling-outside-425px.jpg

...just extremely precise.

I'd also like to thank TinselKoala for suggesting that experiment. If it works as intended and actually convinces people, I'll be very grateful.

Edit: I wanted to ask you guys. If I wanted to put my machine on ice, what kind of 'feet' would be preferable for the M Drive? I'd have to replace the wheels with something, but what? Ice cubes seem like they might break. I could probably find 2 pairs of ice skates and modify them. Or would you prefer some kind of concave metal plate at every corner of the machine?

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2014, 10:27:08 AM »
Hi M,
  I think ice would have too much friction... It also tends to stick to things - by freezing to them.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/friction-coefficients-d_778.html

It probably has to be ball bearings...(?)

Regards, Tim


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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2014, 01:16:02 PM »
I would like to suggest a simple experiment (which taught me a lot when I tried a "reactionless drive"):

- your machine has a certain direction in which it moves forward, lets call it direction D or forward

- put a stop (e.g. a plank fastened to the floor) which absolutely prohibits any movement in the opposite direction of D (backwards), this restriction has to be solid and no gap between the machine and the plank, one could say the machine rests against this plank before being switched on

- switch the machine on and you will see how it shoots away in direction D (forward) because it pushed itself away from the plank (which proves that it wanted to go a "bit backwards"), the "shooting away" is a large first movement (a large initial step in direction D) which is then reduced to a slower forward movement

Discussion of this experiment:

- without the plank one does not see this "backward movement" which is stopped after a short distance (maybe only some millimetres) by the tiny friction which makes the thing work

- the plank represents "infinite friction in the opposite direction of D", without the plank one has "tiny friction in opposite direction of D"

- the plank causes a "large initial step forward" followed by the "usual steps forward"

- make sure that the plank holds the machine near its centre of mass (the machine should not be able to lean a bit or to bend a bit backwards over the plank, not even a few millimetres or degrees away from the vertical)

- the plank could be a wall which prohibits any backward movement of the machine (again, you probably need some piece of wood at the wall against which the machine abates near its centre of mass)

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #88 on: February 26, 2014, 05:06:59 PM »
Just posted a new video. It's nothing fancy, nor do I consider it "proof" of gyroscopic propulsion, just evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgCgrMetRsc

The glass experiment is on it's way, and not forgotten.


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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #89 on: February 26, 2014, 06:28:19 PM »
Just posted a new video. It's nothing fancy, nor do I consider it "proof" of gyroscopic propulsion, just evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgCgrMetRsc

The glass experiment is on it's way, and not forgotten.

I saw your video and can tell that your contraption would do great with this test
http://www.overunity.com/14090/m-drive-reactionless-drive-invented-by-me/msg383341/#msg383341 (see drawing)

Do this very simple test, it will open your eyes and your mind. Try to explain why it behaves like it behaves when doing the simple test I propose. It only costs you a few minutes. You can put a log between your moving wagon and a cross-tie of your rails to block backwards movement, and see what happens. Do not fasten your wagon to a cross-tie, it should only "lean" against a stop which prohibits backward movement.

It is exactly the little backwards movement (clearly visible in the video) which confirms my own experience with such devices.

Greetings, Conrad

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