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Offline M Drive Inventor

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2013, 03:42:14 AM »
Please stay on topic, guys.

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Offline e2matrix

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2013, 04:39:13 AM »
I think you are dealing with some of the hardcore skeptics here on this however in this case I think they are giving you good advice and are correct in their evaluations.   I wouldn't go spending a ton of money on any patents at this point.    A couple questions/things to think about.   Let's assume your device is being shown in the video running North to South.   Can it also run South to North?   As someone who has built houses I can assure you most houses and especially apartments are not perfectly level.   Mine were built to within 1/8" and that is a lot better than most contractors do.   That 1/8" could easily lead to a device like yours moving fine one way but not the other.   However from what I saw in the video it looked more like stick and slip going on.  More weight from down motion at some points causing more friction than other times as you can clearly see it lifting up a little at times. 
All that being said I'll add that I know someone with a setup that has multiple gyros running on 3 different axis and it hovers in mid air with nothing to hold it up except the running gyros.    Gyros are interesting and I think there are some things that can be done with them .... an area of knowledge that has not yet been put to much use ... possible suppression or maybe just plain lack of interest.


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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2013, 04:47:50 AM »
I think you are dealing with some of the hardcore skeptics here on this however in this case I think they are giving you good advice and are correct in their evaluations.   I wouldn't go spending a ton of money on any patents at this point.    A couple questions/things to think about.   Let's assume your device is being shown in the video running North to South.   Can it also run South to North?   As someone who has built houses I can assure you most houses and especially apartments are not perfectly level.   Mine were built to within 1/8" and that is a lot better than most contractors do.   That 1/8" could easily lead to a device like yours moving fine one way but not the other.   However from what I saw in the video it looked more like stick and slip going on.  More weight from down motion at some points causing more friction than other times as you can clearly see it lifting up a little at times. 
All that being said I'll add that I know someone with a setup that has multiple gyros running on 3 different axis and it hovers in mid air with nothing to hold it up except the running gyros.

It runs equally well "south to north". As for stick-slip, do you say that as a "best guess" thing or do you actually have a theory on what's happening? If so, I'd be delighted to hear it.

That multiple gyro business... Ted Pittman and the Gammamax?

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2013, 05:19:46 AM »
Mostly a best guess based on observing the device in your video.   
Not Ted Pittman and I'm essentially in an NDA sort of situation on it so can't say a lot more except it's using very high RPM motors in a configuration that uses all 3 axes.


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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2013, 05:21:59 AM »

..All that being said I'll add that I know someone with a setup that has multiple gyros running on 3 different axis and it hovers in mid air with nothing to hold it up except the running gyros. 

Sorry I just can't let that statement go unchallenged or at least clarified. Are you implying that it levitates, or merely allows the support to be offset 90 degrees due to gyroscopic forces. if you mean the former I'd be very suspicious of your powers of observation. The latter is not remarkable at all if you understand how gyroscopes work.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2013, 05:21:59 AM »
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Offline M Drive Inventor

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2013, 06:50:13 AM »
I updated the video description with some relevant information.

"The track seen later in the video is really just 2 strips of metal bent to 90 degrees in the middle. There's a total of 8 wheels (bearings) running along the horizontal and vertical part of the track, meaning the wagon part of the M Drive can only move back and forth.

The force to get the cart moving from standstill is also extremely low, a mere 20 grams. This practically eliminates the stick-slip phenomenon, since the cart requires so little force to start moving in either direction. You can literally blow on it and it'll start moving."

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2013, 08:21:15 AM »
I got this PM from M Drive Inventor:

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Hey. Those images are pretty big and clutter up the page pretty badly. Could you please edit them out?

Also, you've stated that you don't believe the M Drive generates inertial thrust. Is that only because you believe Newtons third is infallible, or is it because you see something I don't in the track and/or bearings? If it's the latter, please tell me in the thread. If not, please answer me here with a PM.

My images do not clutter the page they make a point about action and reaction.

Everybody discusses in a thread whatever he wants, which might be annoying for some, but everything in this thread was very much on topic. There is a wide field of ideas and "inventions" in this area and all that belongs to the M Drive topic.

I personally have nothing more to say to the M Drive because there is nothing more than pointing to similar things which the M Drive inventor does not want to hear.

Newtons third law is what it is, a pretty good description of nature. And one person seems to think that he is infallible. Newton never was that far gone.

I am gone from this topic. My clutter stays, because it demonstrates a lot.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2013, 08:23:54 AM »
I like goulash :-)

Try again.
We need big acceleration, constant speed,  deceleration.
Horizontal line 0 degree.
1. The arm with weight 45 to -45 degree must accelerate strongly, like a shot. The machine moves up. Newton third law.
2. -45 to -135 degree the  weigt arm turn speed is constant.
3. -135 to  -225 degree (aka 135 degree) the arm weight must decelerate strongly, and gives the energy tho the machine. Like a firearm bullet  hit the energy to the target. The mashine moves up again.

Turn the weight arm with constant speed you get Buehler device, it makes up-down moving only.
You must unconstant speed and strong acc/dec to one direction-moving in space.

It is all yours. It is your Nobel price.

(I got that "unconstant speed", that was the whole point of it.)

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2013, 11:01:33 AM »
The right part of turning mass.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2013, 11:56:37 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuTMYgQDUzs

See the arm position, when the car move. Left-right side, 45 degree.

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2013, 11:58:50 AM »

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2013, 12:03:12 PM »
Ingyen> I'm aware of the LPU and I know there's another thread just 2 posts below this one on the forum.

Please guys, this thread is about the M Drive, and people reading it expect to read about it.


Offline conradelektro

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2013, 01:14:33 PM »
Please guys, this thread is about the M Drive, and people reading it expect to read about it.

@M Drive:

You can not disclose the fine details of your machine because you want a patent (as I gather from some hints you have given). So, if we can not know how it exactly works, what can we discuss? We can only give you general pointers to known science as you give us only general hints to the workings of your contraption.

(Remark: I do not want the details of your machine, I just want to say that there is nothing to discuss without details because thousands of details have already been tried without success. So, it is only the fine details which could be new and interesting.)

Your videos do not prove that you have a reactionless drive, sorry. Even the slightest friction can give you the impression that it does. Your video does not show anything exceptional. Thousands of such machines with the same overall look like yours have been built.

Because we can not discuss details, people show you what has been done before to make you aware of the thousands of errors inventors have done in this field. But you seem to know everything there is. So, again, nothing to discuss.

You want to hear that we believe from your videos that you have a reactionless drive? Come on, what do you expect from people with an IQ of at least 70?

I do not say that you lie, I say that you have not provided sufficient information to allow a meaningful discussion or to draw a meaningful conclusion.

But even if you provided all there is to know about your invention, only a very good carefully controlled and reviewed experiment could provide proof. Moving a machine along a track is a bad experiment. A pendulum would be better, but the constant deviation of the pendulum must be great to draw any quick conclusion.

Yes, we admire your workmanship, yes, you may doubt any law of physics you want, but what then? Yes, you want to talk about your thing, fine, what else?

Do you want to find investors? This might not be the right forum. You want fans, become a rock star.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2013, 02:45:26 PM »
The right part of turning mass.

@ingyen: I know it sounds bad, but I have been there and I have tried hundreds of speed up and down profils and also exactly what you are proposing.

I know, it does not help that I say this, because I could have done it wrong and you could may be do it better. And almost nobody wants to listen to advice. So, do it, but I advise against it, for very good reasons and because of experiments I did (but I am not the brightest person there is).

My opinion about a reactionless drive:

- It is not possible in the ordinary world we live in, definitely not by throwing around weigths (unless you throw the weights away for good).

- It might be possible at the quantum level near absolute zero degrees or near the speed of light, but this can not be carried over to the macro world.

- It might be possible during the forming of an universe in the first seconds where many laws do not yet apply. But we have passed that moment 13 Milliard years ago.

- It might be possible at the level of galaxies because of dark mater or dark energy, but you will not be able to do this experiment in our solar system, it is much too small.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: This post is on topic!


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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2013, 03:34:59 PM »
As  ijust posted as well on the youtube video, Just slip and stick - no mechincal thing like that will do it. I know - check out mine: Seems to accelerate: CIMG4183.AVI Even to weigh less when point up: CIMG0154.AVI .
But it was proved to be just slip and stick for movement and the scales were faulty. Easy to make a mistake.

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