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Offline tim123

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2013, 06:52:54 PM »
I'm willing to discuss the mechanism in detail if you want...
Basically, when the scaffolding the gyros are attached to starts to rotate, the gyros will want to align themselves with the rotation. In this case it means they "pull" forward. So whenever the gyros are spinning around they will want to pull forward.

Thanks :)
  Isn't there a back-force on the frame from the gyro's precession forwards?

This vid shows a test of double-spinning gyros, it's pretty good:
Gyroscope flying saucer precession UFO (RimstarOrg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrAdABFrSlI

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When you decrease the rotational speed of the scaffold, springs will try to pull the gyros back to their starting position. It's at this point that the center of gravity of the machine shifts and starts to move forward.

Agree that this bit would work...

Regards
Tim

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Offline M Drive Inventor

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2013, 07:04:11 PM »
  Isn't there a back-force on the frame from the gyro's precession forwards?

This vid shows a test of double-spinning gyros, it's pretty good:
Yes. The arms that hold the gyros are quite heavy, I think around 2 kilograms (roughly 4.5 pounds) each. When these arms, along with the gyros, move forward, that's when the wagon part will move back. This is normal Newtonian physics though.

Yeah, that video shows something that's been known for quite a while now, and it's been proven not to produce any propulsion or "weightloss". If I remove the springs from my invention it becomes utterly useless.

(PS. I edited my previous reply to you.)


Offline conradelektro

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2013, 08:19:08 PM »
@M Drive Inventor:

Because you write about Gyros, this did not work http://www.rexresearch.com/kidd/kidd.htm

Looking at your video, it seems to be exactly "stick and slip". Making the rails moveable themselves will not show you much. Whatever you do (as long as it is not "free floating in space"), you will have the "slip stick" situation. In space you will end up exactly where you started from.

The only way to get "action" from a weight is to throw it away. Any way trying to catch it (gyros or whatever) will give you the equal "reaction".

You will not want to hear that and you will think that you can overcome this fact or law, but please consider that exactly the gyros have been studied in this respect endlessly without success.

I appriciate research and building strange things, but do not destroy your life by hanging on to a dream which is easily disproven by 200 years of science. If it is only a hobby, fine, but if you are combining great expectations with your ideas, you will be in for a bad surprise. If you have enough money, I would not worry. But if you are taking on big hardships, you should reconsider and scale back your efforts.

I do not want to destroy your efforts but I wish you do not hurt yourself. Study a bit the physics of what you are trying and you will learn a lot.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2013, 08:30:40 PM »
@M Drive Inventor:
So to summarize your position, "Please stop, we already know everything"?

I appreciate that you're only trying to look out for me and all, but I think you'll change your tune once I produce a video where I make the M Drive perform roughly the same motions, but without the gyroscopes spinning. Something I only figured out how to do just now.

If I do that, and the M Drive refuses to move like in the Youtube video, it's more or less proof that the gyros at least affect the propulsion in some way, even though, as you say, "we already know that they can't". (Also, I haven't found a single gyroscopic propulsion experiment that did what the M Drive does.)


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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2013, 08:32:58 PM »
I've red of a different idea in this respect.

As you have rightly noted, there is always a reaction which acts opposite to a force.

But according to what I've red, the direction of the reaction can be controlled.

For example, there were so called automatic lathes, popular before the advent of NC machinery. In these lathes the travel of the cutting tool was controlled by the cam, and the force was transmitted through the steel balls located side by side  inside of the metal tube. This tube could take any direction in space, and the force would follow this direction.

The same method could be applied to the reaction force by changing its direction, making it instead of the opposite, concurrent...

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Offline conradelektro

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2013, 08:40:54 PM »
So to summarize your position, "Please stop, we already know everything"?

You know that I do not mean that.

I just want you to stay "cool", do not become obsessed, take it as a hobby, that is all I want to say.

You have given yourself a very big task, which is o.k. as long as it does not hurt you.

A big task can be an enrichment of your life, if you have a life. So, do not throw away your life, enjoy it in many ways, not just in one way.

I am very interested in "strange things" and in "impossible tasks", but I have learned to fear self deception, obsession and illusion, even madness.

Greetings, Conrad

Offline tim123

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2013, 08:42:40 PM »
Hi M Drive,
  It's interesting to note that Eric Laithwaite did receive a patent on a gyroscopic reactionless drive in 1993:
http://www.rexresearch.com/laithwat/laithw1.htm

So the principle does work. There do seem to be similarities between his work and yours...

It is my understanding that the PTB (Powers That Be) have had proper anti-gravity & free-energy for over 100 years... Keely, Tesla, Townsend-Brown - all had 'flying machines', (Tesla only had designs) I hear... So gyroscopic machines are redundant. That's partly why Eric's work was ridiculed and ignored.

Podkletnov's experiments with superconductors creating gravity waves has now led him into some high-level military work, I read...

I'm impressed with the gyros... I wish I had a couple to play with...

Would you be able to tell me whether you think they convert gravitational acceleration into precessional rotation? I.e. do you think a gyro-gravity-mill is feasible? I suppose the question is - do they precess with a decent amount of force?

I hope you don't mind, I've attached an image of what I have in mind. Do you think it would work - given your experience of gyros?

Regards :)
Tim

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Offline M Drive Inventor

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2013, 08:49:29 PM »
I'm sorry, tim123. I'm only here to discuss the M Drive, not speculate about other inventions. If you have a question about the M Drive, please ask it.

(Sent you a private message)

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2013, 09:14:38 PM »
@M-Drive:

I understand that you want to discuss your invention, but similar things have been done, therefore it might help to study such systems.

I get the impression (but I could be wrong) that what you want to do is similar to Fig. 15, 16, 17 and 18 of  this page:

http://www.rexresearch.com/laithwat/laithw1.htm

My understanding of Eric Laithwat's work is that he more or less tried everything there is with gyroscopes and that it did not work. So, by studying Laithwat's work you will learn a lot and you do not have to duplicate his failures.

I did a bit of research in my life (at universities) and I had to learn the hard way that a good literature search (even doing it for many months) saves a tremendous amount of work. Most ideas have indeed been tried, just consider that we have 200 years of science and technology behind us, give the old people credit, they have done a lot.

There are uncharted territories but they are far out and you have to travel a long way through science to find and to understand the not yet answered questions and areas.

I do not defend science, but please do not underestimate what has been done. It sounds so bad to say, see first what has been tried, but it is the simple truth. Most of the things have already been tried.

Try whatever you want, but be humble, there are scientific giants out there and they are not dumb and you have to be extremely good to beat them. By all means try, but have a look first, it pays.

I will stop preaching now, please excuse me, but I see too much madness in these forums. It makes me anxious whenever I see idle talk about proving science wrong. It is very hard to prove science wrong, so be careful what you say and what you proclaim. Try, by all means, but do not take it lightly. Stay "cool"!

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2013, 09:33:34 PM »
there are scientific giants out there and they are not dumb and you have to be extremely good to beat them.

You mean they will have to be extremely good to beat me? ;) (I have studied a lot of gyroscopic propulsion experiments, including the works of Mr. Laithwaite. It was a necessary part of the patent process.)

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Offline FatBird

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2013, 01:44:17 PM »
I give you an ENORMOUS amount of credit for how much WORK, TIME, & MONEY you put into that.  WOW!

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2013, 06:35:38 PM »
So what do you guys think of my idea to make the M Drive perform a very similar motion?

I'm planning on making the gyros move around on the scaffold and move back and forth, but without the gyros actually spinning. If the M Drive refuses to budge, would you then believe that the gyros are actually what's causing it to move forward?

Right now it seems like there's a lot of confusion about what's causing the propulsion. Is it stick-slip or some other weird friction thing going on, or is it actually the gyros that are somehow responsible, more or less confirming a reactionless drive?

Oh, and thanks, FatBird.


Offline ingyenenergiagep

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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2013, 11:07:57 PM »
Welcome from Hungary!

Build this.
Give me the Nobel prize! :-)

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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2013, 11:49:54 PM »
Welcome from Hungary!

Build this.
Give me the Nobel prize! :-)

It sounds unbelievable, but I built exactly that in the early 90ies with two stepper motors; three models, from small to bigger. It did not work, just "slip - stick". But I learned how to program microprocessors and how to drive stepper motors. And I learned about conservation of momentum.

It was still the age of paper photos and only text in news groups at the beginning of the internet age.

I went to my cellar and dug out what is left from these experiments. The biggest model (about 0.5 meters) is gone, only a few electronic boards left. I attach photos of the two smaller models (of what is left of them).

The model with the Lego wheels (still complete) has two very good stepper motors and was the final one which showed the conceptual error quite clearly. It was put on a wooden board which floated on water, well it made no progress. Although "on land" it moved forward quite quickly.

The brown model was the first one and was mounted on various "chariots" and had several additional electronic boards. Of course it worked best without wheels (just standing on the table) because the "sticking" was excellent which made the "slip" work well. I should have realised my conceptual error immediately because of that, but I am a bit slow, so I built two more models before I caught on.

I programmed many acceleration and deceleration patterns (linear, sinus-like, steep peak). It works best with a very pronounced peak (at 180° of the start position).

May it be a lesson to the good people who are able to learn. Hungarian antigravity is goulash, but you have to eat a lot of it.

I did not get the Nobel price but you can try again. Put gyros on the "arms" of this contraption and it will not change a thing.

Greetings, Conrad


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Re: M Drive reactionless drive invented by me
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2013, 12:42:57 AM »
I like goulash :-)

Try again.
We need big acceleration, constant speed,  deceleration.
Horizontal line 0 degree.
1. The arm with weight 45 to -45 degree must accelerate strongly, like a shot. The machine moves up. Newton third law.
2. -45 to -135 degree the  weigt arm turn speed is constant.
3. -135 to  -225 degree (aka 135 degree) the arm weight must decelerate strongly, and gives the energy tho the machine. Like a firearm bullet  hit the energy to the target. The mashine moves up again.

Turn the weight arm with constant speed you get Buehler device, it makes up-down moving only.
You must unconstant speed and strong acc/dec to one direction-moving in space.

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