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Author Topic: question on applying. (a device that might be applicable but not sure on this.)  (Read 5759 times)

Offline The Architect

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would a battery that does not need charging, and draws the power it produces from ambient atomic vibrations from normal or lower than room temperature?  basically any temp above absolute zero would allow it to continue produce the current it produces and would do so indefinitely with only being dropped hard with out protection causing it to break, being able to stop the production of flowing electrons in a DC manner. If so I will post as soon as I have one made that works to meet the specifications of one watt at least.

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Offline The Architect

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so I am guessing that since no-one has answered even with over 100 views (other than my own single view here to add this reply) that no-one has any sort of an answer or even knows enough to ask for more info to figure out what said answer would be? just a bunch of lookie loos that came in hoping to find tech freely given away. but bringing nothing of value of your own I see. to bad too. Maybe I should work outside of here with it and make sure to put my name all over it so no one comes here and claims its theirs in order to rip off the community here over the prize money. seriously.

by the way should  win this prize money I would expect it to be used to help out some of these people in the world that are going with out even so much as clean drinking water. plain and simple.


Offline Groundloop

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The Architect,

First go here: http://www.overunity.com/5707/overunity-prize-conditions-for-1-watt-device-pdf-file-attached/

and read about the terms of how to win the prize.

One of the terms is that it must be open source. One other term is two working prototypes.

This means:

You need to build your prototypes, post all information on this forum, send one prototype to forum owner.

So if you expect people to post any comments on your devices, then they will probably do so after
you have posted information about your project.

GL.

Offline Newton II

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would a battery that does not need charging, and draws the power it produces from ambient atomic vibrations from normal or lower than room temperature?  basically any temp above absolute zero would allow it to continue produce the current it produces and would do so indefinitely with only being dropped hard with out protection causing it to break, being able to stop the production of flowing electrons in a DC manner. If so I will post as soon as I have one made that works to meet the specifications of one watt at least.



I think your description is not sufficient enough for anybody to think about it.

1)  What about electrodes?  Does anode dissolves or deteriorates after some times?  In that case it cannot be considered a OU device
      because to get back the anode you have to supply equal amount of energy.

2)  Ambient (atmosphere) consists of molecules but not atoms.  Matter in liquid and gaseous state exists as molecules and cannot exist
     as individual atoms. For eg: O2, H2, N2. (may exist as atoms only under special conditions created in a laboratory).   Only solid matter   
     may exist as atoms. For eg : Fe, Cu, Al.       I didnot understand the term 'ambient atomic vibrations'.

3)  As per description, a battery is a device which converts chemical energy into electrical energy.  If you are making use of 'ambient
     atomic vibrations'  can you still call it a battery?



Offline truesearch

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@Architect:


I would echo what Newton-II pointed out: in order to get more feed-back you need to share more of your idea  :)


There are many knowledgeable and helpful people on this board that might make an observation that you missed. However, some of the users here are less than helpful and simply must be ignored. . . .  :(


Good luck!


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Offline The Architect

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Thank you for some sort of reply, questions are always helpful. as for the details, the concept is a vibration converter so basically it would be a generator but the configuration will look somewhat like a battery,

so in order of those that actually replied and asked questions

@Groundloop I have read that, and I am only confused at the lack of those who have posted here that do not fit in this list of requirements. some are talking development and wanting to hold a discussion about it, which this is not the place for that.

my discussion is only in clarifying a few details to ensure that it does not get ruled out after being applied for. As I said the money I would not collect it personally, I would instead wish to receive something to verify that it went to a worth while cause, (not sure what happened to watercone.com and their attempt to provide units to the people in africa and other developing areas to ensure clean drinking water would be able to be obtained)  but that is a good example of what I would expect the money to go toward.

as for opensource, yes if I apply then it would ofcourse be open source, but we would need to secure it some how to ensure that it does not end up being closed up by a 3rd party. So we would need to look into a way to secure it in the public domain so everyone can use it for anything from personal use all the way up to corporate use, with out any restrictions.

the process is so far proving to be quite simple and easy to do at home,

on to the next reply

@Newton II

1. the electrodes are mentioned. as they are not consumed but are actually created initially and are only there for the purpose of ensuring the energy generated by the piezo effect are controlled like a diode stops backward flow, with one more effect(this creates a sort of hill so that the electrons flow one direction really, so it does more than a typical diode does, where it only backs up and stops flow from going the other way, and does nothing to promote energy that is available to go the desired direction.)

So no they are not consumed, and would only degrade in the atmosphere they same way your car body will rust if it is not protected. batteries degrade no matter what, if you use them, this if coated will not degrade over time as there is no way for the metals to interact with a substance that it can bond with to create a molecular formula.

2. ambient as in the vibrations caused by the temperature that is just naturally around you. so no special heating or cooling process would be needed. and the atmosphere does indeed consist of molecules, which Dun dun DUNNNNN are made of atoms! this part really makes no sense, you seem to be making it sound like atoms stop being atoms when they share electrons to form molecular configurations. so I am not sure what you even mean here. however I will try to figure it out and say this, (as this seems to be your question or the best guess on what it is to me) the ambient temp that causes these atoms IN the molecules you point out existing, to continue to vibrate even when they are combined together to form molecules. all atoms are vibrating no matter what state they are in, with the believed state of absolute zero temps, (which we still have not solidly seen so we are not sure if they stop even then. but that is for another entirely different discussion.


So a solid state device that produces electricity even if it looks like a battery if it does not run down, should be able to apply is what I am gathering here correct?

and finally

@truesearch

Yes I am sure I will get more feedback, with more info, I just needed to know what sort of info I should be bringing to the table to get the questions I have answered appropriately. and I am quite aware that some members need to be ignored lol. this seems to be the case anywhere you go, though on IAEC I have found a much lower amount per capita of that sort of people, and usually only some of the time. as they have good input at least most of the time lol.

Thanks one and all who bothered to contact. If anyone else has input or questions, feel free to message me in private if you do not feel comfortable saying something here. I do not think there are any stupid questions. other than the ones not asked. though there are a lot of incorrect assumptions. but those are ok too as long as the person behind them is willing to change their belief once confronted with solid data and facts. (though I will not hold it against anyone requiring tangible in their hand facts lol. I know I do most of the time. ha ha.

Offline broli

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The prize money here is just a symbolic gesture. Your goal should be to first have a functional prototype and second to have numerous third party replications, everything else is irrelevant imo if you're targeting the public domain. The very idea of free energy destroys a system of money but that's too philosophical, let's get back to the science and build your prototype ;).

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