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Offline Farmhand

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2013, 04:11:06 AM »
I think there is part truth in a lot of we each are saying, I also think some of us are saying the same thing in different ways.

Happy to see a cool headed discussion.   :) :) :)

As far as Displacement "current" goes, maybe there is no flow of charge across the gap or dielectric or vacuum. Maybe it is as Milehigh kind of says, maybe the opposing charge accumulates on the plates of the capacitor kind of like "charging by induction" a depletion or increase of one sides charge causes an opposite charge to rush to the other plate, but if there is a flow of charge there is electric current of some kind, I think it's safe to say that. However that does not in my view automatically mean it must be electrons passing the charge. Although it would seem so.

Here Tesla describes the action of the local condenser on the bars of his patented Stout copper bars device.

Patent
http://www.google.com/patents/US462418

Quote, the part in bold is what he says happens at the condenser when it is "charged". Interesting choice of words. He knew when to say things like "presumably" and " it would seem as though".  ;)

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To understand the action of the local condenser E in Fig. 2, let a single discharge be first considered. This discharge has two paths offered-one to the condenser E, the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L, however, by virtue of its self-ind notion, offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge, while the condenser, on the other hand, offers no such opposition. The result is that practically no current passes at first through the branch I, but presumably opposite electricities rush to the condenser-coatings, this storing for the moment electrical energy in the condenser. Time -is gained by this means, and the condenser then discharges through the branch L, this process being repeated for each discharge occurring at D. The amount of electrical energy stored in the condenser at each; charge is dependent upon the capacity of the com denser and the potential of its plates. it is evident, therefore, that the quicker the discharges succeed each other the smaller for a given output need be the capacity of the .condenser and the greater is also the efficiency of the condenser. This is confirmed by practical results.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2013, 04:11:06 AM »

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2013, 04:39:55 AM »
Hi everyone  ;)


its not really how to make multiple kicks the important is,
but how to convert  small kick into big kick with very thick flux.  :)


magnets is really helpful if you want a very thick flux,
 cause all you just need to do is lengthen the flux of the magnet that is constant.  8) 


multiple kicks can be achieve easily by speed ok.  ;)   8)


lets say in a discharging a cap in a coil:
how can you make kicks in a micro-microsecond.  8)  got what i mean? ;) 8)



otits.  ;D

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2013, 04:47:38 AM »
Hi everyone  ;)


its not really how to make multiple kicks the important is,
but how to convert  small kick into big kick with very thick flux.  :)


magnets is really helpful if you want a very thick flux,
 cause all you just need to do is lengthen the flux of the magnet that is constant.  8) 


multiple kicks can be achieve easily by speed ok.  ;)   8)


lets say in a discharging a cap in a coil:
how can you make kicks in a micro-microsecond.  8)  got what i mean? ;) 8)

REDUCE THE GAP TO ONE THOUSANDTH OF AN INCH>>>>>?

otits.  ;D

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #78 on: December 01, 2013, 09:00:22 AM »
Farmhand:

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Maybe it is as Milehigh kind of says, maybe the opposing charge accumulates on the plates of the capacitor

I am surprised that you would state that because of all of the people around here I would have thought that you would have undertaken to learn these basic concepts about capacitors.

What is capacitance?  For starters you can say something like for a given amount of charge stored in the capacitor you get a certain amount of voltage across the capacitor.  So it would stand to reason for a larger capacitor you get a lower voltage across the capacitor for the same amount of stored charge.  Indeed that's true.

The formula for capacitance is C = Q/V.   Capacitance equals charge per unit of voltage.   If my capacitor is large then I know that it will store more charge for a given amount of voltage across it as compared to a smaller capacitor.

So the concept of a capacitor storing charge is one of the most fundamental concepts about how a capacitor works.

Not to pick on you Farmhand because I know that you do much more to inform yourself than the average experimenter, but it's almost shocking that you yourself and others have to be "convinced" that current flows into a capacitor and it ends up as charge on the capacitor plates.

By the same token, when you talk about capacitors and how they behave in a circuit, you have i = C dv/dt and v = 1/C integral i dt.

It's unfortunate that some people make grandiose statements and allude to "bigger things" and "new understandings" and yet they don't even understand how a capacitor works or how an inductor works.  What about personal integrity and and not making proclamations about stuff that you don't understand?  It's shocking sometimes.  It makes some postings nothing more than pure flights of fancy with nothing to back them up at all.

Anyway, that was a mini rant.  I have given up a long time ago to seriously try to educate people on the forums about electronics.  The world is literally at your fingertips these days so if you really want to you can invest the time and energy to learn the subject matter yourself so you can talk about it with authority.

MileHigh


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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #79 on: December 01, 2013, 09:07:11 AM »
  Bruce:   Thanks for that excellent pointer; it really shows a simple, repeatable phenomena to experiment upon.

  Others:  I tried the simple one-wire kick experiment, and it does work.  A few interesting tidbits not yet mentioned:

 - One-wire 'kicks' only show up when attached to Positive (+) lead of a square-wave function generator.  Attaching to (-) has no measurable effect.  Quite interesting..
 - The kicks are clearly 'current-like' based on various orientations of the pickup coil.
 - Wire mass seems as important as inductance or # of turns.  I got better results with a single turn of thick wire than with 10 turns of thin wire.
 - The free-floating wire of your long-wire test returns more power when grounded or attached to rudimentary antenna.


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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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« Reply #80 on: December 01, 2013, 12:34:18 PM »
  Bruce:   Thanks for that excellent pointer; it really shows a simple, repeatable phenomena to experiment upon.

  Others:  I tried the simple one-wire kick experiment, and it does work.  A few interesting tidbits not yet mentioned:

 - One-wire 'kicks' only show up when attached to Positive (+) lead of a square-wave function generator.  Attaching to (-) has no measurable effect.  Quite interesting..
 - The kicks are clearly 'current-like' based on various orientations of the pickup coil.
 - Wire mass seems as important as inductance or # of turns.  I got better results with a single turn of thick wire than with 10 turns of thin wire.
 - The free-floating wire of your long-wire test returns more power when grounded or attached to rudimentary antenna.


-Rei
Thanks for sharing

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #81 on: December 01, 2013, 07:47:04 PM »
  Bruce:   Thanks for that excellent pointer; it really shows a simple, repeatable phenomena to experiment upon.

  Others:  I tried the simple one-wire kick experiment, and it does work.  A few interesting tidbits not yet mentioned:

 - One-wire 'kicks' only show up when attached to Positive (+) lead of a square-wave function generator.  Attaching to (-) has no measurable effect.  Quite interesting..
 - The kicks are clearly 'current-like' based on various orientations of the pickup coil.
 - Wire mass seems as important as inductance or # of turns.  I got better results with a single turn of thick wire than with 10 turns of thin wire.
 - The free-floating wire of your long-wire test returns more power when grounded or attached to rudimentary antenna.


-Rei

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #82 on: December 02, 2013, 01:38:08 AM »
  Bruce:   Thanks for that excellent pointer; it really shows a simple, repeatable phenomena to experiment upon.

  Others:  I tried the simple one-wire kick experiment, and it does work.  A few interesting tidbits not yet mentioned:

 - One-wire 'kicks' only show up when attached to Positive (+) lead of a square-wave function generator.  Attaching to (-) has no measurable effect.  Quite interesting..
 - The kicks are clearly 'current-like' based on various orientations of the pickup coil.
 - Wire mass seems as important as inductance or # of turns.  I got better results with a single turn of thick wire than with 10 turns of thin wire.
 - The free-floating wire of your long-wire test returns more power when grounded or attached to rudimentary antenna.


-Rei

Hello Rei and Gentleman,

Someone did an actual experiment!  Heart be still...lol  And here I thought the "talking heads" had taken over the thread.

Now, Rei, I can tell you a few things to assist you.  First, think about WHAT the kick is and WHAT you are seeing.  You mentioned that there is "current" associated with it, but let me "over simplify" the whole thing for you.

Steven spoke of "disabling the effects of the flux so that the electrons can float free from the wire".  Now, let me say this very simply...  With NO current there is NO magnetic flux to hold the electrons to the wire.  Remember Steven said that Tao "had the secret" because he spoke of "stopping the current".  That is right, stop the current and fast switching and you have electrons free from the wire (surface).

Now, what you saw associated with these "freed from the wire" electrons is an associated magnetic field.  That is correct!  An electron moving with NO current, free from the wire has an associated magnetic field.  Steven also said this when he spoke of a nuclear blast and the associated emp or huge magnetic field.  What causes it?  It is NOT coming from current on a wire.  It is coming from the rapid acceleration of electrons.

So, what we have seen on our pick up coils or magnetic sensors is simply the magnetic field associated with speeding electrons as particles.  Now to make power you/we must do several things....
a.  We must make "stronger magnets" ie..strong kicks
b.  We must increase the velocity of the magnet ie..learn HOW to accelerate the magnets velocity.
It is NOT AC or DC or this or that, it is electrons.  Now, you will learn from experimenting that some setups work better than others.  I have been there..done that. 

Because of your experimenting, here are two more video to enjoy.  I have about thirty.  ;-)

Make kicks, make bigger kicks, learn to "combine" the kicks into really big "kicks" (magnetic field strength). 

YouTube:
(P.S. do NOT get hung up on "conclusions" you hear on a video.  They OFTEN change with further experimentation.)
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=XDabTMKfz3I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snf_VMyRr8k

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #83 on: December 02, 2013, 04:13:19 AM »
Bruce:

It's more like reality needs to get its own fair share of time on this thread.  Take for example, the case of Daniel Nunez.  He put up some clips of pulsing coils on YouTube and claimed over unity.  Many commenters told him that he was wrong and that he was not making his measurements correctly.  He got an article or two on PESN, and the same comments were repeated.  A few months later there is Daniel Nunez at the Breakthrough Energy Conference still pitching his silly coils and claiming over unity.  So Daniel Nunez was intentionally ignoring all of the advice telling him that he had nothing and his measurements made no sense.  He just continued repeating the same thing over again at the conference.

He charges $600 for his "bird's nest" coils.  They are nothing more than magnet wire made into a fancy form.  The "bird's nest" form is totally meaningless, and utterly useless.  You are better off making an ordinary coil.  Daniel Nunez makes coils, but in fact he doesn't have the slightest clue about how a coil works.

So where does that leave Daniel Nunez, Bruce?  He is charging outrageous money and making nonsensical claims for his coils.  In watching several of his clips it is so painfully obvious that he knows next to nothing about electronics and nothing about making proper measurements.  His is just an ordinary Joe Blow that knows next to nothing.  He is just trying to cash in on going "green."  In my book, in my opinion, that makes him a criminal.  He should be exposed and put out of business.  If he persists he should be prosecuted for criminal fraud and sent to jail.

Your first YouTube clip link is a bad link.   The second clip you linked to works.  One more time, your talk about tapping into the electromagnetic field of the Earth.  That's pure nonsensical fantasy on your part.  The only field from the Earth that you experience is a DC magnetic field.  When you first start learning about magnetic fields you learn that they must be changing with respect to time to have any affects on other circuits.  This fact will not go away just because you don't want to believe it.  You can carry on on autopilot if you want to for the next several months and several more YouTube clips and simply ignore this reality but eventually it will come around because you simply can't escape it.

When you lay your hand on the mircowave oven transformer coil you are transferring the 60 Hz voltage hum that your body picks up into the coil.  It's your body acting as an antenna for the 60 Hz mains power hum that ultimately causes the spikes on your scope display.  You can even see what looks like a sine wave envelope on the amplitudes of the spikes, which could be confirmed with more testing including changing the time base of the scope.  I can't tell you the exact methodology for seeing the spikes on the scope display because your clips are very poorly documented, but I am pretty certain based on what I see in your clip that that's what's going on.

If you want to educate and give people a real chance to comment on what you are doing then you have to document yourself properly.  That means that you have to make a schematic of your setup that is clear and readable.  You allegedly have a "magnetic field sensor" that consists of a loop of wire and a black plastic project box.  You have to tell us what your magnetic field sensor is if you want to be credible.

If I had access to your bench and started to investigate what you were doing, it probably would not take me too long to figure out exactly what is going on and it will certainly not be what you think is going on.  You simply don't have the electronics knowledge to understand what is going on based on my reading dozens of your postings and looking at many of your clips.  It's up to you to educate yourself if you want to take this stuff seriously and if you want to be taken seriously.  I am "raising the bar" for you because you are trying to claim a leadership and teaching position.

If you want to properly document your experiment in the second clip and make a schematic and show the various signals, and show what you have in the black box, between myself and others around here we could probably collectively figure out what is really going on in your clip remotely.

MileHigh

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #84 on: December 02, 2013, 04:47:06 AM »
Bruce:

In the simplified drawing that you posted in reply #13 in this thread, you say the following:

<<< It is common scientific knowledge that if you have a piece of wire and first run electricity through it you will have a small kick when first energized.  The kick is universally attributed to the Earth's magnetic field.  >>>

There is no common scientific knowledge about what you are suggesting.
Your first statement is totally ambiguous and undefined.
The "kick" is not defined and nothing in the context of what you are doing is "universally attributed to the Earth's magnetic field."

Just in that short statement you are revealing a lot about yourself.  Your are indicating that you are a beginner to the world of electronics and have only taken a few tiny steps.  So if you are serious about this stuff you need to educate yourself and document what you are doing properly.

Any attempts that you might make to suggest that I am "in the past" and you are "advanced and into new uncharted research" are negated by the quote of you above for anyone that has a reasonable understanding of electronics without having to be an expert in electronics.  The interesting thing about electronics is that it's incredibly difficult to fake or feign that you have knowledge and experience when you don't.  Usually within five minutes or five sentences the truth is revealed to people that are knowledgeable.

Sorry for the reality coming crashing down but the readers of this thread deserve to hear the real deal.

So, to try to end this posting on a positive note, if you like this stuff and have fun with it, then by educating yourself you should have that much more fun with it and you can continue to climb up the learning curve and do more meaningful experiments.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #85 on: December 02, 2013, 04:50:29 AM »
Hey Bruce

In this vid  The SM Kicks    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wnEr0O75Sc

Your scope is connected to the transformer/magnetic pickup?     Ground and probe?

Then you have your short piece of wire near or inserted into the transformer/probe?

Its hard to tell what is going on for sure there. ;D

Mags

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« Reply #86 on: December 02, 2013, 04:56:24 AM »
Could it be that in the vid I replied to, that the voltage 'source' from the scope is being picked up 'capacitively' between the probe and wire, being that they are all in one unit, the scope?

It doesnt look consistent on the scope as per the taps.

Mags


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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #87 on: December 02, 2013, 05:21:33 AM »
Lets say I have a trifilar coil on a transformer core. 

If I put 2 of those strands in series with 2 leads out, and connect those to my scope, then just have a 12v batt at the other end of the table and get an alligator clip lead from the + of the batt and just tap it to one end of the 3rd strand, I will get output from my bifi to the scope?

Mags

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« Reply #88 on: December 02, 2013, 06:49:32 AM »
I have a little scope that has a sig gen.

The series bifi windings ring near 10khz.  Applying 1 lead of the sig gen to the 3rd strand, other end of strand open.

1v square wave from sig gen produces 10v p-p on the series bifi.  Nice ac output considering square 50% dut in. Adjusting the duty cycle lowers the output, but still a sine out. No spikes. ???

Next try will be using a sig gen from a separate source(scope/gen no. 2  same model) to eliminate direct capacitive effect between the scope and sig gen. There will still be a say ambient/atmospheric capacitance between equipment, so we may have some output. 

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« Reply #89 on: December 02, 2013, 06:54:35 AM »
Bruce:

It's more like reality needs to get its own fair share of time on this thread.  Take for example, the case of Daniel Nunez.  He put up some clips of pulsing coils on YouTube and claimed over unity.  Many commenters told him that he was wrong and that he was not making his measurements correctly.  He got an article or two on PESN, and the same comments were repeated.  A few months later there is Daniel Nunez at the Breakthrough Energy Conference still pitching his silly coils and claiming over unity.  So Daniel Nunez was intentionally ignoring all of the advice telling him that he had nothing and his measurements made no sense.  He just continued repeating the same thing over again at the conference.

He charges $600 for his "bird's nest" coils.  They are nothing more than magnet wire made into a fancy form.  The "bird's nest" form is totally meaningless, and utterly useless.  You are better off making an ordinary coil.  Daniel Nunez makes coils, but in fact he doesn't have the slightest clue about how a coil works.

So where does that leave Daniel Nunez, Bruce?  He is charging outrageous money and making nonsensical claims for his coils.  In watching several of his clips it is so painfully obvious that he knows next to nothing about electronics and nothing about making proper measurements.  His is just an ordinary Joe Blow that knows next to nothing.  He is just trying to cash in on going "green."  In my book, in my opinion, that makes him a criminal.  He should be exposed and put out of business.  If he persists he should be prosecuted for criminal fraud and sent to jail.

Your first YouTube clip link is a bad link.   The second clip you linked to works.  One more time, your talk about tapping into the electromagnetic field of the Earth.  That's pure nonsensical fantasy on your part.  The only field from the Earth that you experience is a DC magnetic field.  When you first start learning about magnetic fields you learn that they must be changing with respect to time to have any affects on other circuits.  This fact will not go away just because you don't want to believe it.  You can carry on on autopilot if you want to for the next several months and several more YouTube clips and simply ignore this reality but eventually it will come around because you simply can't escape it.

When you lay your hand on the mircowave oven transformer coil you are transferring the 60 Hz voltage hum that your body picks up into the coil.  It's your body acting as an antenna for the 60 Hz mains power hum that ultimately causes the spikes on your scope display.  You can even see what looks like a sine wave envelope on the amplitudes of the spikes, which could be confirmed with more testing including changing the time base of the scope.  I can't tell you the exact methodology for seeing the spikes on the scope display because your clips are very poorly documented, but I am pretty certain based on what I see in your clip that that's what's going on.

If you want to educate and give people a real chance to comment on what you are doing then you have to document yourself properly.  That means that you have to make a schematic of your setup that is clear and readable.  You allegedly have a "magnetic field sensor" that consists of a loop of wire and a black plastic project box.  You have to tell us what your magnetic field sensor is if you want to be credible.

If I had access to your bench and started to investigate what you were doing, it probably would not take me too long to figure out exactly what is going on and it will certainly not be what you think is going on.  You simply don't have the electronics knowledge to understand what is going on based on my reading dozens of your postings and looking at many of your clips.  It's up to you to educate yourself if you want to take this stuff seriously and if you want to be taken seriously.  I am "raising the bar" for you because you are trying to claim a leadership and teaching position.

If you want to properly document your experiment in the second clip and make a schematic and show the various signals, and show what you have in the black box, between myself and others around here we could probably collectively figure out what is really going on in your clip remotely.

MileHigh

You NEVER listen, is why you are uselessbfor anything but being a talking head!

One last response to you...

The MAGNETIC SENSOR ONLY PICKED UP MAGNETIC FIELDS.  THESE ARE MONTHS OLD VIDEOS.  I LATER MOVED ON TO USING A RESISTOR AND NO MORE MAGNETIC SENSOR.  I KNOW MY HAND WAS ACTING AS An ANTENNA.  I said in my post of the videos to IGNORE THE CONCLUSIONS HEARD IN THE VIDEO.

I am showing magnetic kicks from an antenna souce THAT IS THE POINT.

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