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Author Topic: How to make multiple Kicks  (Read 55217 times)

Offline forest

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2013, 10:52:39 AM »
Thank You Bruce for that explanation .You has shown what I proposed long time ago but was of course unable to measure due to my small experience and very crude tools.  The point is even without current flow there is something which align electrons spins and create magnetic field for free , that is what also Leedscalnin show with his experiments.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2013, 01:08:17 PM »
Bruce:

What does your magnetic pickup consist of and how is it connected to your scope channel?

You can be holding a scope probe in your hand and let it drop six inches onto your bench top and you will sometimes observe a glitch on the scope display when the probe tip makes contact with your bench top.  So you have a long way to go to explain what you are really seeing.

Your biggest mistake is saying, "the spikes must be from current flowing in the wire."  That is almost certainly wrong and there are other possibilities to consider before you say that it's due to current flow in the wire.  Logic is telling you that any appreciable current is not flowing in the wire, so there is a whole series of tests for you to do so you can rule out other explanations before you even consider current flowing in the wire.

If you view the wire as a component in the ambient environment then there is some parasitic capacitance between the wire and the ambient environment.  That implies the wire can be charged to a given potential relative to the ambient environment and hold a minuscule amount of charge.  It's possible in a case like that to make a glitch appear on a scope display when you touch a scope probe to the wire.  You see a glitch due to potential, not current.  A minuscule amount of current flows when the scope probe touches the wire when it is charged to a potential relative to the ambient environment, but that current is so tiny it's likely to be immeasurable with conventional bench equipment.  You are seeing a voltage glitch in this case, not a current glitch.  Are you sure that something akin to this is not what is happening when you see the glitches?

Forget about the Earth's magnetic field as being part of the explanation.  It's the same type of mistake when you assume that the Earth's magnetic field is responsible or related to any spike effect when logic is telling you that's not the case.

In your second clip you are using your finger and touching the wire when you make contact with the scope's calibration output signal.  That pretty much invalidates that experiment because you are touching the setup with your finger and disturbing it.

The truth is you are observing glitches on your scope and you don't have a true explanation for why you are seeing them.  You are simply imposing what you expect and want to see on what you are observing and leapfrogging past the true investigation that you should be doing to figure out what is going on.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2013, 02:05:02 PM »
Bruce:

What does your magnetic pickup consist of and how is it connected to your scope channel?

You can be holding a scope probe in your hand and let it drop six inches onto your bench top and you will sometimes observe a glitch on the scope display when the probe tip makes contact with your bench top.  So you have a long way to go to explain what you are really seeing.

Your biggest mistake is saying, "the spikes must be from current flowing in the wire."  That is almost certainly wrong and there are other possibilities to consider before you say that it's due to current flow in the wire.  Logic is telling you that any appreciable current is not flowing in the wire, so there is a whole series of tests for you to do so you can rule out other explanations before you even consider current flowing in the wire.

If you view the wire as a component in the ambient environment then there is some parasitic capacitance between the wire and the ambient environment.  That implies the wire can be charged to a given potential relative to the ambient environment and hold a minuscule amount of charge.  It's possible in a case like that to make a glitch appear on a scope display when you touch a scope probe to the wire.  You see a glitch due to potential, not current.  A minuscule amount of current flows when the scope probe touches the wire when it is charged to a potential relative to the ambient environment, but that current is so tiny it's likely to be immeasurable with conventional bench equipment.  You are seeing a voltage glitch in this case, not a current glitch.  Are you sure that something akin to this is not what is happening when you see the glitches?

Forget about the Earth's magnetic field as being part of the explanation.  It's the same type of mistake when you assume that the Earth's magnetic field is responsible or related to any spike effect when logic is telling you that's not the case.

In your second clip you are using your finger and touching the wire when you make contact with the scope's calibration output signal.  That pretty much invalidates that experiment because you are touching the setup with your finger and disturbing it.

The truth is you are observing glitches on your scope and you don't have a true explanation for why you are seeing them.  You are simply imposing what you expect and want to see on what you are observing and leapfrogging past the true investigation that you should be doing to figure out what is going on.

MileHigh

MileHigh I am so far advanced from what I posted it is not even funny.  Got away from the magnetic sensor and said I moved on to a 10 ohm resistor and a circuit and a scope. 

You try experimenting for once in your life and do your own testing.  I have my own agenda of experiments I am running and have nothing to prove to anyone ESPECIALLY you!   :o

Oh...one more thing... if you think my magnetic sensor is picking up my fingers on the wire, than you are even dumber than  I already thought!   ::)

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2013, 02:12:19 PM »
Thank You Bruce for that explanation .You has shown what I proposed long time ago but was of course unable to measure due to my small experience and very crude tools.  The point is even without current flow there is something which align electrons spins and create magnetic field for free , that is what also Leedscalnin show with his experiments.

Thank you Forest.

I posted that SMALL bit of information for experimenters to work with..(not for those who talk and jabber and never post a single experiment.   PC heroes is all they want to be.  Good for nothing but hot air)

You must figure out how to make more of the kicks and how to combine them.   ;)

Happy hunting!

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2013, 02:51:48 PM »
Bruce:

You are "advanced" in your own impression of where you think you are but that's not the reality.  Nor am I dumb, and saying, "you are even dumber than I thought" is just theater on your part.  You always thought that I was dumb and now you think I am dumber?  Really?  Have you read some of my postings from time to time?  Does what you say make sense in the context of reading several of my postings?

When you are touching the wire with your finger you are disturbing the circuit from the resistance and capacitance associated with your finger!  Your "circuit" is very high impedance and the touch of your finger could indeed disturb it.

So you are still at square one.  All that you know is there is essentially zero chance that the spike you observe has something to do with current flowing through the wire.  Can you really and truly figure out the explanation for what you are looking at, or do you run away and just believe what you want to believe?   Ultimately the answers to questions like this are up to you.

And I have thousands of hours worth of work done on he bench.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2013, 03:40:28 PM »
Hv + pulse + spark    does this satisfy urge ccircuit ??? ??   neo x
That how i did it

I dont know either if that was the right thing to do but keep on experimenting. If you dont get any power in the collector coils try a different approach.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2013, 04:12:16 PM »
I dont know either if that was the right thing to do but keep on experimenting. If you dont get any power in the collector coils try a different approach.
Its in the core  kick  amplification   got it???  still have no time to replicate my work
 
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2013, 04:19:07 PM »
@Bruce_TPU

I like more your definition of kick. But i dont aggree in one part that kick has only voltage and no current  If theres only voltage and no current, theres no power based on this simple equation Power = Voltage x Current. I think there is atleast small current in the kick to supply power to the load.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2013, 10:00:32 PM »
Of course use capacitor to condense kicks and a coil to multiply and then keep all running steady.... not an easy task

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2013, 10:07:09 PM »
@Bruce_TPU

I like more your definition of kick. But i dont aggree in one part that kick has only voltage and no current  If theres only voltage and no current, theres no power based on this simple equation Power = Voltage x Current. I think there is atleast small current in the kick to supply power to the load.

Not if you learn to "temporarily disable the effects of the flux" and to allow the electrons to float free from the wire.  And if you then know how to accelerate those electrons close to the speed of light.  Then you have a mini particle accelerator.  And all made from "known" physics. 

Electrons moving at the speed of light, would they have an associated magnetic field?  That is the question you have to ask.  Why do these "slow" electrons moving along a wire with no current have a slight magnetic field associated with them when first switched on then off? 

Marco took High voltage, coming out of a tip of metal and it moves a compass.  You have to ask, "why?" and "how can I use that?"
How can current velocity be increased?  You must also ask that question. 

Steven said that "speed" is everything!  Take a bullet and throw it at a car and it bounces off of the door.  Add velocity to that same bullet and now you have kinetic energy.  And it will pierce through the door.  Steven said that.  It is true.   ;)
 
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2013, 10:22:13 PM »
Right. and remember that current is the rate of flow of charge ! You can multiply current by having more charge OR ......???


That was not mistake Tesla investigated a floating ring around the equator and it had given him a mental breakdown....

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2013, 11:47:50 PM »
Right. and remember that current is the rate of flow of charge ! You can multiply current by having more charge OR ...... ???


That was not mistake Tesla investigated a floating ring around the equator and it had given him a mental breakdown....
I did not say "more" I said speed.  Having more of something doesn't equate to it moving faster.  But don't strain your brain on that now.  Just remember it.  Work on the "kicks", and how to make more of them and to "combine" them.   ;)



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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2013, 08:14:59 PM »


Marco took High voltage, coming out of a tip of metal and it moves a compass.  You have to ask, "why?" and "how can I use that?"
How can current velocity be increased?  You must also ask that question.
 

Bruce, Just because a compass has some residual magnetism does not mean it is immune to effects from an electric field.

Steven said that "speed" is everything!  Take a bullet and throw it at a car and it bounces off of the door.  Add velocity to that same bullet and now you have kinetic energy.  And it will pierce through the door.  Steven said that.  It is true.   ;)
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce

Add velocity to the bullet huh, and how does that happen ? I'll tell you in case you were unaware.  By imparting energy to the bullet relative to its mass and velocity secured. When you can increase the velocity of a bullet without imparting energy or work to the bullet you have free energy. When I see that I will walk backwards to Bourke.  :)

In theory due to inductance we should be able to charge a wire without any current leaving the far end of the wire, but the wire is still charged by energy from the supply due to displacement current. It happens in exactly the same way as the way a Tesla coil is excited to resonance by a single wire connection to the function generator. This is common practice and is seen every day, no conduction current exits the top end of the bottom end fed Tesla coil, but it's no big deal, easily explained and fits perfectly with conventional knowledge, it is single wire excitation. Energy is input.

Gee wizz. Charge flows in an conductor/inductor due to applied potential, with no applied potential no charge will flow and so no current will result. A hose can be filled with water without any water coming out the end, but something is displaced by the water, and that is air or whatever other gas or material that was existing in the space before the water was forced to take it's place. To get the water in the hose some force must be used.

Nature cannot be cheated.

It seems the basic electrical theory that keeps being shown taught here is simply ignored.

First is the potential, it is then applied, and charge is caused to flow, this is evidenced by electron movement and what we call measured current.

EDIT: Here's an analogy, Imagine a fast boat, the engine represents the potential, the boat represents the charge, The water represents the conductor, when the potential is applied the boat moves which represents the charge flowing, when the charge flows the boat makes a wake/wave in the water which represents the measured current we see, by measuring the size of the wake we can determine the magnitude of the current. Now Imagine thousands of boats (charges) all under the force of one motor (potential) then imagine the wake produced by all the boats being measured to determine the amount and speed of the boats, This is our measured current, or electron jiggle, the electrons move as a result of the charges being forced to flow through the wire. In my opinion. I'm not the only one who thinks like this, and I explained this as my view a long time ago. Way before I heard the footsteps in the desert analogy from EPD. I think my analogy is better.

Cheers

P.S. Addendum. If the boat were to effect a jump and leave the water the wake is no longer created however the charge (boat) is still in motion. This is akin to displacement current. There is no conductor, there is no wake, but charge is still in motion under the effect of potential applied.

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Problem, how do we measure the displacement current if there is no conduction current and electron jiggle in a conductor to measure it against or equate it to ?

Not sure I haven't thought much on that. Must be a way already in use.

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2ND P.S. I think one of the more knowledgeable guys should open a thread called, "Electronic theory basics" Or "basics of electricity and emf" or some such thing and really get into the very basics from the beginning so it is here and there is a thread to direct people to. I mean the basics of potential and current onward.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2013, 02:31:16 AM »
 

Bruce, Just because a compass has some residual magnetism does not mean it is immune to effects from an electric field.

Add velocity to the bullet huh, and how does that happen ? I'll tell you in case you were unaware.  By imparting energy to the bullet relative to its mass and velocity secured. When you can increase the velocity of a bullet without imparting energy or work to the bullet you have free energy. When I see that I will walk backwards to Bourke.  :)

In theory due to inductance we should be able to charge a wire without any current leaving the far end of the wire, but the wire is still charged by energy from the supply due to displacement current. It happens in exactly the same way as the way a Tesla coil is excited to resonance by a single wire connection to the function generator. This is common practice and is seen every day, no conduction current exits the top end of the bottom end fed Tesla coil, but it's no big deal, easily explained and fits perfectly with conventional knowledge, it is single wire excitation. Energy is input.

Gee wizz. Charge flows in an conductor/inductor due to applied potential, with no applied potential no charge will flow and so no current will result. A hose can be filled with water without any water coming out the end, but something is displaced by the water, and that is air or whatever other gas or material that was existing in the space before the water was forced to take it's place. To get the water in the hose some force must be used.

Nature cannot be cheated.

It seems the basic electrical theory that keeps being shown taught here is simply ignored.

First is the potential, it is then applied, and charge is caused to flow, this is evidenced by electron movement and what we call measured current.

EDIT: Here's an analogy, Imagine a fast boat, the engine represents the potential, the boat represents the charge, The water represents the conductor, when the potential is applied the boat moves which represents the charge flowing, when the charge flows the boat makes a wake/wave in the water which represents the measured current we see, by measuring the size of the wake we can determine the magnitude of the current. Now Imagine thousands of boats (charges) all under the force of one motor (potential) then imagine the wake produced by all the boats being measured to determine the amount and speed of the boats, This is our measured current, or electron jiggle, the electrons move as a result of the charges being forced to flow through the wire. In my opinion. I'm not the only one who thinks like this, and I explained this as my view a long time ago. Way before I heard the footsteps in the desert analogy from EPD. I think my analogy is better.

Cheers

P.S. Addendum. If the boat were to effect a jump and leave the water the wake is no longer created however the charge (boat) is still in motion. This is akin to displacement current. There is no conductor, there is no wake, but charge is still in motion under the effect of potential applied.

..

Problem, how do we measure the displacement current if there is no conduction current and electron jiggle in a conductor to measure it against or equate it to ?

Not sure I haven't thought much on that. Must be a way already in use.

..

2ND P.S. I think one of the more knowledgeable guys should open a thread called, "Electronic theory basics" Or "basics of electricity and emf" or some such thing and really get into the very basics from the beginning so it is here and there is a thread to direct people to. I mean the basics of potential and current onward.

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How much "work" does it take for an electron to be accelerated?   You cant possibly answer because you dont know how.

How much "work" does it take to produce kicks?  None because there is no current.

You can join milehigh and tk on former president Nixon's old team..

Nixon was going to shut down the patent office because everything to be discovered had already happened.  No new discoveries on the horizon. That was in the 1970's...hahaha

I have shown, as Steven said, that there is more on a simple wire than there should be...now some of yall need to do something with this information!   It is all that Steven had to go on in the beginning.   Dont listen to the same voces of the old guard.  They are the ones who would have tried to convince Nixon that there is nothing left to discover.

I have seen this new power source and it is amazing!  60 and 80 watts of energy bursts!

Play with the kicks....learn to make more of them....learn to combine them.  It is not hard.  Just learning how to make electrons move!

Cheers,

Bruce

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