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Author Topic: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !  (Read 50675 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2013, 02:58:04 PM »
Hi Poit,

I agree with both Conrad and you because there have been no correct input - output measurements given so far.

From the good translation I referred to it turns out for me that the principle is based on magnetic gears, a disk magnet (Mr Engel calls it a "mirror") is rotated (at a certain distance from the rotor of the setup) by a small DC motor (with input power of 8mA*9V=72mW) and the attract or repel forces between the disk magnet and that of the other magnets fixed on the rotor of the setup make this setup operate.

As always, time will tell...

Gyula

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2013, 11:39:10 AM »
and the wait for the inevitable disappointment begins


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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2013, 04:06:38 AM »
Hi Folks,

I found a very good translation of the FULL German newspaper report on Mr Engel's permanent magnet motor, see this printer friendly link to it:

http://blog.hasslberger.com/2013/11/german_inventor_solves_permane-print.html

Stefan, any more news from his son or from the motor itself since then?

Thanks, Gyula


Thanks for that link.  Now I got some idea about it. 

I think he is trying to rotate a diametrically bigger magnet with a smaller one which he calls as 'mirror'.   By doing so,  you will get greater torque at the center of bigger magnet due to mechanical advantage which is same as any gear, pulley or chain drive.

This setup may work only if  rotor and the 'mirror'  rotate with same speed thereby utilising the excess mechanical  advantage.  If the rotor and mirror rotate with different speeds  proportional to inverse ratio of their diameters,  then torque gained by bigger rotor will be lost in time  (it rotates with lesser speed) as in the case of any standard gear or pulley drive.

I think I have seen such a design before also in this forum :

http://www.overunity.com/11586/magnetic-motor-with-electromagnets-idea/msg303738/#msg303738

The sketch given by ELEMAN in his thread   'HOW TO BUILD MAGNET MOTOR'  also resembles the same thing.

http://www.overunity.com/14042/how-to-build-a-magnet-motor/msg377802/#msg377802


Offline Poit

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2013, 03:45:34 PM »

Thanks for that link.  Now I got some idea about it. 

I think he is trying to rotate a diametrically bigger magnet with a smaller one which he calls as 'mirror'.   By doing so,  you will get greater torque at the center of bigger magnet due to mechanical advantage which is same as any gear, pulley or chain drive.

This setup may work only if  rotor and the 'mirror'  rotate with same speed thereby utilising the excess mechanical  advantage.  If the rotor and mirror rotate with different speeds  proportional to inverse ratio of their diameters,  then torque gained by bigger rotor will be lost in time  (it rotates with lesser speed) as in the case of any standard gear or pulley drive.

I think I have seen such a design before also in this forum :

http://www.overunity.com/11586/magnetic-motor-with-electromagnets-idea/msg303738/#msg303738

The sketch given by ELEMAN in his thread   'HOW TO BUILD MAGNET MOTOR'  also resembles the same thing.

http://www.overunity.com/14042/how-to-build-a-magnet-motor/msg377802/#msg377802

What ever he is trying to do, one thing is certain.. this forum (or any forum for that matter) will never see a OU blueprints!

If I was Stefan, I would simply make a rule... would go something like this "There is no tomorrow! you either have a working unit now with blueprints or you have nothing at all!"

This crap about... 'ohh its JUST around the corner'  .............. 'this time for suuuuuuure' .... 'no no it really is OU, trust me trust me'.... ITS ALL BS!!!!

YOU EITHER HAVE OU OR YOU DONT! whats the point of waiting for someone to release it?!

I am all for working on potential OU devices! sure.. THAT should be half the point of this website....

STRAIGHT down the middle.... 50% should be for working towards OU and the other 50% posts ACTUAL OU blueprints.... it is just down right WRONG to constanltly have this crap about its real but you have to wait... like WTF! WAIT? WAIT FOR WHAT?! DISAPOINTMENT?! if i wanted that... I would put a blind fold on and walk on to a busy highway.......... THAT is just as disapointing as all these freaking claims that never come true!


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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2013, 02:28:47 AM »
e
.......... THAT is just as disapointing as all these freaking claims that never come true!


All the freaking claims may never come true.   But seeing these freeking claims and blue prints some genious may get a better idea,  improve it and make it work.  That's how science (knowledge) grows.  Refer Benjamin Franklin's famous reply "What use is a newborn baby?"

Growth of knowledge is like flow of river where old water is replaced by new water.  If water remains stagnant,  it becomes dirty and spreads diseases just like your rotten oil industries polluting the entire world and making life miserable by rising oil prices.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/sciurban.htm


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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2013, 02:28:47 AM »
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Offline Poit

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2013, 06:18:41 AM »
no, you misunderstood me!

I am all for growth of ideas and potential ideas..... what I am VERY much agasint is these claims of a working unit...BUT you'll have to wait till X to see anything useful.... that isn't growth, it simply gives the entire OU community a bad name!

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2013, 04:41:31 AM »
First, you still do not understand that the occurrence of processes of "OU" must "free" (hidden) power to appear.
Second, it can only take place according to the formula E = mC^2.
Do you have any idea at least in this respect, and transformation of magnetic particles into energy and vice versa?
Do you prefer like most politicians of the crap of things?
  :-*

it is irrelevant how I understand over unity to actually take place (i.e a working unit)... my problem is with scammers... because lets face it, thats what they are.

Forget about E = mC^2 and such... the following is the formula that should be banned from this forum, goes like this

1: An Individual claims he/she has a device that is over unity ............ but can't release anything useful until X date/time
2: Everyone jumps up and down for joy saying crap like "oh yes! finally, this time for sure, can't wait" etc etc
3: X date/time NEVER HAPPENS!
4: Everyone gets disappointed
5: repeat step 1

are you honestly endorsing this behaviour?! because if you don't then you are in agreeance with me!! and you finally understand where i am coming from

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2013, 04:41:31 AM »
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Offline Poit

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2013, 11:53:36 AM »
Oh Dear Lord!
But through 5 years everyone had a chance to come and investigate.
And even repeatedly asked to enter a zip to be able to send the package.
It was not so?

That (or any video) proves nothing. Your words proves nothing.

Until you have step by step guide to build a over unity device (OF ANY SORT) then you will have proven your case. Until then you have NOTHING!

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2013, 12:41:25 PM »
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifqps5YSMCM
 
 
Interesting expeiment but the driver has larger diameter than the rotor.
 
 

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2013, 04:26:35 PM »
I got an email from the son of Mr. Engel, that he is visiting his father this coming weekend
in Switzerland and will then email back with more info.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2013, 04:26:35 PM »
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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2013, 09:01:51 AM »
I got an email from the son of Mr. Engel, that he is visiting his father this coming weekend
in Switzerland and will then email back with more info.

Regards, Stefan.

I can't wait for the disappointment!

Any one want to take bets?

Option 1:
His father was too sick and there for couldn't provide "more info."  ODDS 1/1
Option 2:
The sons flight was canceled and there for couldn't provide "more info." ODDS 1/4
Option 3:
We don't hear back from Stefan about this and the thread slowly dies off ODDS 1/.1
Option 4:
His son really does visit his father and provides Stefan with ACTUAL blueprints for a working over unity device ODDS 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to the power of 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 x2
Option 5: ????

Offline lumen

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2013, 11:46:08 PM »
I can't wait for the disappointment!

Any one want to take bets?

Option 1:
His father was too sick and there for couldn't provide "more info."  ODDS 1/1
Option 2:
The sons flight was canceled and there for couldn't provide "more info." ODDS 1/4
Option 3:
We don't hear back from Stefan about this and the thread slowly dies off ODDS 1/.1
Option 4:
His son really does visit his father and provides Stefan with ACTUAL blueprints for a working over unity device ODDS 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to the power of 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 x2
Option 5: ??? ?

Why is there no wrap in this thread?

Poit,

You sound a bit frustrated. I always figured the impossible would take a bit longer.
When I heard the words "magnetic mirror" I started wondering what that could be and how would one build something that they might consider a magnetic mirror.
Then I did some tests on what I thought might be a mirror. I placed two large disk magnets (3" dia x .125 thk) face to face repelling, with a small gap between them.

I found that when two other magnets came together in repel with this mirror between them that they did not push apart as hard as usual and that the mirror magnets
were invisible to the two repelling magnets as they left the edge into full repel with each other. This was interesting since that already shows a method of gain!

But then I placed a very thin sheet of iron (.001") between the mirror magnets and found that the other repelling magnets now attracted to the mirror with great force.
In fact the attraction was greater than the attraction would have been directly to the thin iron without the mirror magnets.
Yet the thin iron is easily removed from between the mirror magnets because it is so thin and has little attraction.

Anyway just something to keep your mind from exploding as you wait if you can understand my explanation.





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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2013, 10:35:43 PM »
Let's wait until BigM wakes up, we'll see what he says.
  :'(
       Okay, I'm here, as you requested.
Poit has a valid idea he made:
       NMO1968, you aren't giving us anything concrete, or definite.   Detailed plans?   WHERE?      ARE??       THEY??? 
       
Look, this reminds me on another thread I saw awhile ago.   A purely religious group, similar to the one run by Energetic Forum,
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/    "Presented     by     Energetic     Science     Ministries" ---  a    non    profit   organization


These guys do about the same thing as the neo-Nazis:   Talk a big game, but don't say anything without being paid first.   They and these Nazi schmucks are greedy, if anything.


Alright, now for my two cents---in general:
       How do you attract and control tachyons?
I postulated they can take a special mixture of compounds or elements and then use specially shaped    lenses/plates/baffles/grids/etc.    to impinge and then implode STANDING, NON_MOVING water and force a nuclear implosion to fuse O2 and two H atoms in water to make something like Ne (neon) with a loss of mass, just like an atom or hydrogen bomb works.
       Something like this?
A proton and an electron in a hydrogen atom might be fused into a neutron.    The other hydrogen atom, as well as the new neutron, are compressed to supercritical densities by the magnetic qualities of water, and these fuse with O(16), with 8 neutrons and 8 protons, to Ne(20) along with a loss of mass and a resulting appearance of energy, according to E = m C^2.

This takes brute power to fuze ordinary matter; not as easy as U-235.   It can still be done, because neutron stars in galaxies should be able to do it naturally.

The big question I have for NWO1968, and "Dr." (No)wak:  Is how?    You, NWO1968, already indicate I know "Much" about your process.   But I only know in general terms.   AND, I'm speculating.   Do you really think you have the courage or audacity to inform us all of the truth in simple terms?   Poit has it right.         AND    I    THINK     I    DO,    TOO:  You're playing games on a serious research forum with dedicated researchers, trying the best they can.

Well, what about it?   I'm "awake", now.   Got an answer?   Upload something.   The simple truth.   I dare you.

--Lee

P.S.
I'm primarily a theoretical researcher, but I'm not exactly stupid, either.   I do have a part-time job with a security clearance, but I'm never going to tell anyone what I should be silent about.   I just get pissed about lying, crazy crackpots like these and I'll always try and 'force their hand' with (possibly) a little help from someone who might know more than I do about sub-atomic physics.

Oh, BTW, the lack of line wrap, I believe, has also to do with the "size=78%" crap I had to delete by hand.   This stuff merely appears on its own.   I'd say someone is doing this off-site deliderately.   Who is that?   I give up.   He/She/They might be able to hide their IP location if this stuff they do goes on and they don't want a knock on their door from The Authorities.
 
« Last Edit: December 11, 2013, 01:35:41 AM by the_big_m_in_ok »

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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2013, 11:09:40 PM »
Get it from one of the servers here:

(snip intervening text...)

They all have free download possibilities, if you click the right links there and wait for the counter...

Sorry, canĀ“t copy it here, as this is a newspaper article that has rigid copyright policies...
       Thank you Stephan/Stephen (from immediate memory, you know what I mean?)...
I wondered why you did your presentation that way and now I know---it was a copyrighted article.   Unfortunately, I can only borrow a computer at the local public library and they won't allow direct downloads to their computer's hard drives.   I DO actually have a thumb drive and a backup for that as well.

Can you find a more public means of describing what you've seen, compared to what exists on the Internet and upload that?   .PDF's, .JPG's, and PNG's are all okay.

Thanks in advance.

--Lee


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Re: Breaking News ! Finally a real Free Energy Magnet Motor !
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2013, 04:07:55 AM »
Christmas present maybe?

heh it is super easy to get excited every time you see a new claim like this especially coming from Stephen but if he is wrong we must take into account that we are all bound to fail or pass false judgement at one point or another in our existence so please keep that in mind.

So Stephen believes it is real I am curious to see some more info or pics myself.

Have a good holiday everyone by the way.

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