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Author Topic: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO  (Read 9381 times)

Offline HARLIN

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Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« on: October 30, 2013, 11:37:31 AM »
Hi all,

December 31-2012 we ignited 60ltr of pure HHO just for fun, a big implosion, the pictures are amazing.
I had a little black out and my brother had a pain on his chest for days, so don't try this at home, lol.
We also ignited 60ltr HHO with 0.5ltr watermist, result was an explosion.
When looking at the pictures we saw a purple anomaly appearing a fraction before ignition  ??? it even reflects me
taking the picture  :o, anyone any idea, i have no idea what this is :-\
Here's the vid.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqlbb_ojAdI&feature=share&list=UUu4ANy7ukBlF_XIPZ9vNxTQ
If you have a subwoofer engaged, turn it down, it's gonna be loud  ;D

Nice day to you all

HARLIN

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2013, 01:11:05 PM »
Nice experiment. It really drives home the danger of working with electrolysis gas products, whatever you choose to call them.

The purple flash is an artifact of digital video cameras. Even though it appears that it happens before the bag explosion, as in your still shot showing the purple and the intact bag, it actually happens at the moment of the flash. I have lots of these anomalous flashes appearing below or above the actual location of the flash, in some of my videos of sparking electrostatic machines. This same camera phenomenon causes Jose Escamilla's "rods" and also makes airplane propellers look curved or split, in videos taken from the cockpit through the propeller disc. Unlike film cameras, the digital video camera scans, line by line. So the bottom of the frame is always slightly later in time than the top of the frame. By the time the camera has scanned past the intact bag, the explosion happens and so you see the purple flare at the bottom of the frame.

The double sound is probably due to the reflection off the walls/fences. You are set up in a perfect "echo chamber" being between two straight walls.

I'm not sure why you get implosion in one case and explosion in the next. It may have to do with the water vapor. If you have a water mist in there, when it flashes to steam it will expand 1600 times volume. If the gas is dry, just hydrogen and oxygen, you get a pure implosion, but if it's wet you get the expansion due to the tiny droplets of liquid water flashing to steam. Maybe.


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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2013, 05:16:33 PM »
Thank you,

We were hiding in a shed for safety.
The time difference in building the frame, i didn't know, thx
A clear explanation, but
There are buts :-[ :
1 The purple anomaly reflects me, crouched filming in the doorway of the shed, how is that possible?
2 The cirkel you see around the anomaly is also moving toward the bag (see frame 2 attached) from point of ignition inside the shed
3 Sound of implosion has 3 peaks and you do not hear a simular sound by the explosion, no echo, a complete different sound
I believe there's more to it, when you look at the flash of the implosion, it looks electrical.
There will be a next experiment with a hs-cam, hopefully.

If you ignite pure HHO you always get an implosion, take a vacuum (little)sandwichbag; fill it with HHO (high quality cell needed, no 'steamer')
and put it under water and ignite, then you see an implosion.
When you have just a little air in the bag before filling; you will have an explosion when ignited, with watermist the
expansion is maximized by at least factor 1600 dep. on temp.

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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2013, 06:20:53 PM »
My guess is that, in filling that large black bag, an amount of air got in. This means that your H2 and O2 mixture was not exactly stochiometric.

Had the mixture been perfectly stochiometric, the flame front would have travelled at in excess of the speed of sound, and the resulting boom would have burst your ear drums, and those within a considerable distance of the event.

What you are doing is profoundly dangerous.


Offline HARLIN

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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2013, 06:36:58 PM »
It's possible, some (very little amount) air got inside.
We had earplugs in  ;)

I did it and yes it was not without risk, next time there will
be more preperation on behalve of safety.
There will be a Faraday-cage, because of the discharge, which
was the most dangerous

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2013, 08:54:06 PM »
Thank you,

We were hiding in a shed for safety.
The time difference in building the frame, i didn't know, thx
A clear explanation, but
There are buts :-[ :
1 The purple anomaly reflects me, crouched filming in the doorway of the shed, how is that possible?
Can you show a frame that shows this reflection effect? I don't think that it is possible, after all. Is it possible that you are projecting the pattern of the reflection from your mind, like seeing rabbits or sheep in clouds, Jesus on a tortilla?
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2 The cirkel you see around the anomaly is also moving toward the bag (see frame 2 attached) from point of ignition inside the shed
It is moving _up_ in the frame, which makes it appear to be moving closer to the bag. As I noted, I see the same effect with bright abrupt flashes in my video camera too. Don't forget that the camera may also be interlacing data from two complete frames (or half-frames really) for your display.
I've attached some examples from a Bonetti machine video I made some time ago. You can see the actual location of the sparks, always between the spheres at the top. You can also see the false image, well below, and I also managed to capture one false image _above_ the true spark location. This is all a result of the camera's scan, interlacing and frame rate.
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3 Sound of implosion has 3 peaks and you do not hear a simular sound by the explosion, no echo, a complete different sound
The implosion is a much more abrupt event making a sharper "bang", so you hear echos. The explosion takes much longer, in fact it's more of a deflagration than a detonation, so it's possible that the echo is washed out, blended with the overall sound.
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I believe there's more to it, when you look at the flash of the implosion, it looks electrical.
There will be a next experiment with a hs-cam, hopefully.

I will be very interested to see your results using a high speed camera.
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If you ignite pure HHO you always get an implosion, take a vacuum (little)sandwichbag; fill it with HHO (high quality cell needed, no 'steamer')
and put it under water and ignite, then you see an implosion.
When you have just a little air in the bag before filling; you will have an explosion when ignited, with watermist the
expansion is maximized by at least factor 1600 dep. on temp.

I'm glad you realize that many high-volume electrolysis cells are "steamers" that are actually superheating water between the electrodes and producing significant steam volume, not just hydrogen and oxygen, in the output. This steam can happen even if the cell itself feels "cool", and it has fooled a lot of people into thinking their cells are OU, based on volume of output.

You seem to know your chemistry, so you know that a mole of any gas, monoatomic or diatomic or complex molecules, at standard temperature and pressure, occupies 22.4 liters. So if you split water, H2O, and the gases combine into the normal "H2" and "O2" diatomic species as they come off the electrodes in the cell, you get two moles of H2 hydrogen and one mole of O2 oxygen, totalling 67.2 liters, for every 2 moles (36 grams) of water you split. But if you are producing H, H, and O, monoatomic gases HHO, then you should get three moles of gas, 67.2 liters, for every ONE mole of water you split. Right?

Offline HARLIN

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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 11:08:31 PM »
Ok, it's possible i see Elvis taking a picture in this reflection 8), minds can play tricks
i agree, it still looks like a reflection of me, but you have a point there and you know
a lot more of cams and the way these work.

So, we'll see what a hs cam will show us, when i have one i will share the pics.
I thank you for the explanation.
What do you think of the flash in the first frame of the implosion?

The steamers i am talking about, represent >99% of the cells you can buy in one of the many webshops
on the web, they can feel cold and still produce steam: yes, because most of them have hotspots in the neutral plates:
They won't stay cold for a long time though, besides focault currents the currentleakage in those spots will eventually heat up plates and electrolyte.
Much heat is produced inside the holes of a neutral plate see pic, where the 'line' between pos en neg is most 'thin'
Many things can be said about those Behemoths, but the reason they are here is because their builders saw bubbles coming out and
assumed research was finished and salestimes had arrived.
A HHO reactor can never achieve OU on it's own,  it needs power to start up and then you need a device which converts the gas to energy, so it can only
be part of a OUsystem.

Chemistry(class), :o, hahaha, are we going somewhere dark after the candy? :P The point is: monoatomic 2H and O recombine much MUCH more easily then 2H2 and O2
Am i producing monoatomic gases? I believe so, after some experiments we did. But is there hard proof? no not yet! HHO can be a blend of different bindings monoatomic, diatomic ortho , para and so on


About the Bonettimachine: Did you make the machine AND video or the video? =like

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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2013, 11:53:09 PM »
The point about the "chemistry" is that you should be able to tell, by seeing what volume of product you get from splitting a known mass of water. If you split 36 grams of water and only get 67.2 liters of product, you know you are generating diatomic gases, ordinary H2 and O2. If you get twice that much then you have strong evidence for H, H, and O monoatomic gases in your big bag. Making the gas volume measurement might be tricky but you could probably get close enough by carefully measuring the bag. Say it holds 100 L when fully inflated. Then you can work backwards to see how many grams of water it should take in each case. Weigh the electrolysis cell, power it up and fill the 100 L bag, then weigh the cell again.

Yes, I built the Bonetti machine and made the videos. Thanks for the thumbs up! On a good dry day this machine will make 270 mm sparks between the spheres. The discs are 300 mm in diameter. Here's the video from which the stills were taken. The big grey box is just a DC power supply for the motors, it has nothing to do with the HV generation other than turning the discs. At about 1:30 the machine sparks across the discs instead of at the spheres.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fWasxYQZZw


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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2013, 12:57:46 AM »
Sry,
Misunderstanding from my side, sorry for that, yes you are right, but the measuring of the splitted H2O was more an estimate, by measuring the levels, because this was not done under labratoryconditions,
this is still on the agenda, i hope to get the guys at HAN Nijmegen in holland interested in setting up some experiments, i lack the right equipment.
Weighing the reactor is not an option, to heavy and no equipment for precise weighing at that scale.
And still i don't know how high the average agitationlevel of the atoms is; i mean with the high freq pulsing going on ::).
There are to much factors to make a calculation, it goes beyond my abilities.
Water beholds still many mysteries, but so do the gases.

Your Bonetti is awesome = like
I see you are not quite free from dangerous situations too,  :P , but that comes with the territory right?

Still want to know what you think of the flash of the implosion?

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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 12:49:01 AM »
I just think it's a flash from the implosion! By all means do try it in a Faraday Cage to see if there is a difference. I don't think there will be.

So you can't weigh your cell, fine. You can put a mark to show the liquid level inside, can't you? Then you can run the cell for a while, disconnect it and let it settle, then make another mark where the level has gone down. Then you can measure the _volume_ of water to add to bring the level back up to the first mark. To first approximation water volume in mL = water mass in g.  You can fully inflate a bag with air, seal it, measure its dimensions carefully and calculate the volume at STP from those measurements. A few experimental runs and you will have statistical data that will hopefully cancel out errors and give you reasonable mean values for (mass of water) => (volume of gas).



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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2015, 12:18:29 PM »
Hello.. this is an good topic .. if your second test is true  and isn't a fake (no hydrocarbon gas inside instead of HHO) HHO appear like an catalyst on water droplets of watermist.
Adding  the watermist with HHO you has changed the ratio and the implosion can't appear. The main question is.. what method your are using for produce cold vapour?
And.. what is the method used for that mixture creation?

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Re: Anomaly before implosion and also explosion of HHO
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2015, 01:28:14 PM »
YES This is a Hot topic...
Thx for bringing it back.

there is absolutely something else going on here.[the Tinman has shared a bit about this also]

Chet K


 

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