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Jeg

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2013, 06:03:55 PM »
The most of the times the problem is where i am the most sure of!!! I was so sure that the Cmos gate was ok, that i had put it out of discussion!! Anyway, i had supplied it from the same Vcc (LM7805) that 555 used. I can't think something that could create such a problem! It's output was in the driver's specification range... 

Ah.. actually is a XOR gate 74hc86 but there isn't any difference. I discard it!!! :D

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2013, 04:39:20 PM »
Well, at the frequency/risetime you are working with it's possible that stray inductances could create high-voltage spiky noise that the driver chip couldn't handle. Between your clock and your mosfet driver, keep leads as short as possible, use proper grounding technique, use a printed circuit board if possible, use bypass capacitors.
Since the direct output of the 555 clock is probably less abrupt in risetime than the output from the logic chip, ironically, it might be easier for the driver to handle because it makes less transient spikes.

Jeg

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2013, 08:35:04 PM »
hmm perhaps a low pass filter before the driver's input will solve this driver overdriving. Tnks for the advice

Have you ever worked with many mosfets in series for higher voltage switching?   

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2013, 04:09:28 PM »
Dear all

I attach a mosfet driver PWM circuit for discussion and learning purposes. I used MCP1406 for fast switching, even i will use it at Audio frequencies.

The circuit uses a 555 and a LM393 comp. for PWM. The timing cap and resistance of 555 will be a pot and few different caps for covering all the audio range with equal Ton and Toff pulse times. (50%). The comp changes the duration of the pulse from about 50%-100%. This is because MCP1406 is an inverting input.

First of all i 'd like to ask about the supply voltages of 555, 393, and 1406 chips. What if MCP1406 would be supplied by 18V and the other two by 5V or 12V. What would be the difference?

An other question is about the pull up resistor of 393 comp. I put a 1.8KOHm for allowing 10mA for the open collector at comp's output, and then 1,8M for allowing maximum 10μΑ for 1406 input. Is that a wrong consideration?

An isolated gate input with pulsed TRansformer also may be included. I intend to use it with a 1000V mosfet (FQA8N100C) or an IGBT at 1200V (HGTG27N120BN)

Any suggestion would be appreciated
Jeg

   

Jeg

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2013, 05:49:00 PM »
Here is a way for paralleling voltage regulators for higher current. I think i ll go this way for the supply of MCP1406. 3 regulators are enough for giving up to 6A peak current

http://www.instructables.com/id/Increasing-current-on-78xx-series-regulators/

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2013, 08:40:35 PM »
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First of all i 'd like to ask about the supply voltages of 555, 393, and 1406 chips. What if MCP1406 would be supplied by 18V and the other two by 5V or 12V. What would be the difference?

An other question is about the pull up resistor of 393 comp. I put a 1.8KOHm for allowing 10mA for the open collector at comp's output, and then 1,8M for allowing maximum 10μΑ for 1406 input. Is that a wrong consideration?

An isolated gate input with pulsed TRansformer also may be included. I intend to use it with a 1000V mosfet (FQA8N100C) or an IGBT at 1200V (HGTG27N120BN)
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Hi Jeg,

On the supply voltages: first I would not use R1 and R2 dividers to reduce the 24V DC input. I have noticed your next post on considering more beefy supply solutions, that sounds a better way, though a single 15V regulator with a higher current pass transistor around it would do well. I say 15V instead of the 18V because the MCP1406 highest recommanded supply voltage is 18V and you intend to drive a MOSFET whose gate pin may easily receive higher than 18V voltage 'smacks' from the drain-gate dynamic capacitance and may cause harm (even if you protect the gate-source with a voltage limiting 18V Zener diode, you would need to use less than 18V pulses coming from the MCP1406).  You may wish to use the LM317 adjustable regulator (also with a pass transistor)  to lift the 15V closer to your 18V, let's say to 17V...   ;)

For the 555 and the comparator IC I would use a common 12V regulator. The 1.8 kOhm sounds good, maybe a few kOhm more is still good because at this stage speed is not yet a question and less than 10mA can surely be allowed.

However, the series 10 MOhm is unnecessary because the max 10uA is meant to be taken by the MCP1406 itself when the input control voltage is 18V or less;  putting this otherwise: the input pin of the MCP1406 is designed just to load the input voltage with a max of 10uA current, ok? So just omit the 10 MOhm resistor, maybe use just a few hundred Ohm or 1 kOhm or just connect the points directly.

Regarding an isolated gate input driver: it may be needed and perhaps the paper I uploaded in the MOSFET stack thread
http://www.overunity.com/13995/mosfet-stack-for-higher-breakdown-voltage/msg376695/#msg376695 helps you (a single toroidal core with a small OD coax cable (RG174U) wound on it would serve you well).

Gyula

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2013, 12:20:35 PM »
After Gyula's suggestions on pwr supply, this is the improved circuit diagram.

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2013, 12:45:07 PM »
Please feel free to add or discuss what it doesn't look right :)

Here is the isolated mosfet gate input through transformer. It is based on the pdf that Gyuila linked.
The test Transformer is made by 17 turns of bifilar wire around a tv flyback trans. ferrite.

gyulasun

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2013, 12:52:33 PM »
Hi Jeg,

That schematic seems okay,  C2 and C5 is to be mounted very close to the supply pins of the MCP1706.

One more thing: at the outputs of the MCP chip you show two 3 Ohm series resistors, this in fact increases the original output impedance of the chip during both the on and off states, maybe you wish to connect the output pins directly to each other and use a single 3 Ohm series resistor towards the gate of the MOSFET. Data sheet does not include info on this though.

Gyula

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2013, 12:53:44 PM »
What i am thinking here is about the positive and negative pulses that feeds mosfet after the isolated transformer. The amplitude of both pulses would be the same. Dowesn;t need the negative one to be smaller in a certain range? Is it better to rectify the outgoing pulse before the mosfet?

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2013, 12:56:44 PM »
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The test Transformer is made by 17 turns of bifilar wire around a tv flyback trans. ferrite.

Well, perhaps the air gap is too wide, a much smaller gap would be better to further increase self inductance of the coax coil to reduce excessive load on the driver IC due to a smaller self inductance at the lower audio frequencies.

Jeg

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2013, 12:57:46 PM »
I just show your answer and and you are right. I will fix it on the schematic ;)

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2013, 01:00:23 PM »
The gap is there by default for avoiding saturation on the tv flyback trans. I will try to put a piece of metal sheet between the legs...

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2013, 01:03:31 PM »
What i am thinking here is about the positive and negative pulses that feeds mosfet after the isolated transformer. The amplitude of both pulses would be the same. Dowesn;t need the negative one to be smaller in a certain range? Is it better to rectify the outgoing pulse before the mosfet?

Well, I do not really know if there is a need for a smaller negative pulse amplitude in a certain range versus the positive pulse, (normally it does not?)
I do not think you need to rectify the pulse befor the mosfet.

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Re: MCP1406/07 MOSFET DRIVER
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2013, 01:05:58 PM »
The gap is there by default for avoiding saturation on the tv flyback trans. I will try to put a piece of metal sheet between the legs...

Yes that is okay but on the input side of the MOSFET you do not have such high input power which would bring the core towards saturation?  The paper referred to much smaller ferrite toroid cores, your flyback transformer has got a much higher cross section area.