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Offline tiquila77

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2013, 05:07:23 PM »
The closed loop version of the ouroboros has a power-to-weight ratio of 2Hp/kg. It behaves like a piece matter falling in a bottomless pit, since the rotor accelerates endlessly in a circle. We all know that a circle has no begining or ending. Like the SMOT, the oroboros has its sticky point at its exit; unlike the SMOT, its magnetic field is uniform from its entrance to its exit; and unlike the SMOT, when closed loop, its sticky point doesnt come into play, for it siezes to exist!

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2013, 05:36:37 PM »
MH
You really need to pay attention here,This is not Flatulent Bubbles in the tub.......
 
Completely heretofore unknown Process which was at first spotted in your "shrimp" Vid [around 1989]
and is evolving towards a complete new understanding which apparently knows few limits!
 
Take a look, you'll be seeing much more of this!
 
Synthetic Radioactivity [Piezo Nuclear reaction]
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba-FeswwGNQ
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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2013, 05:48:40 PM »
Strange, I had 4 pages and now 3,,

MH,

No that is not what I mean or implying.

Take fission for example.  You have a slightly unstable element and you give it just a little bit more energy, it can not handle it and things fall apart much faster,, a small input creates a large change but the force for that change came from the element and not the input that you gave it.

Pushing something over the top is just taking it beyond the threshold at which it is stable, balanced, happy, what ever you wish to label the state it was in.

I suppose what you are saying is that you can not use a small force to control a larger one.

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2013, 06:09:31 PM »
Strange, I just had 4 pages and now I have 3,,

Not logged in I got 4, logged in and reloaded and get 3,,

MH,

Call me slow but it just dawned on me that you are missing that the 2 cavitation things are not the same "cavitation".

I understand that you are only one person with limited time and all that,, so I will not expect you to be able to "investigate" all the new things or claims posted on this board :)


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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2013, 08:36:53 AM »
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MH
You really need to pay attention here,This is not Flatulent Bubbles in the
tub.......

LOL

Don't bother, Ramset, this isn't bubbles in bong water either....but MileHigh still has a while before he can come back down to Terra Firma, curb the munchies, and initiate his due diligence on the matter.
 

 
TS
« Last Edit: September 27, 2013, 11:29:08 AM by TechStuf »

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2013, 11:58:34 AM »
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We all have our own opinions,and we are all entitled to post them here-thats why were here.But we should all respect others opinions,and not just deem them wrong because we dissagree with them.I think we should also be able to post those opinions ,without the fear of being insulted.Unless we can prove otherwise,then there opinion is just as good as anyone elses.

What we would like to see,is if there is any way that extra energy can come from cavitation in the rotary heater. Once this is proven,then maybe we can start to correct those that shared what they think is right.But until then,we should take all conciderations in account,and be respectful to one- another in the process.

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2013, 02:44:30 PM »
TS:

You should listen to Tinman's words of wisdom.  I already told you in a previous posting that my alias just popped into my head, it's not a drug reference at all.  Don't even think about making follow-up comments along that line.

For the clip that Ramset linked to, it's 18 minutes long, perhaps I will get around to it later.  Iron is a very stable atom so I am not sure what they are going on about, and I am not smelling anything real there but I will have to watch the clip.

For anybody that reads this thread, there is a fair amount of "shouting" from you that "cavitation gives you gains!" and you are stating that it's over unity.  I have pointed out to you a few times that Hydro Dynamics makes no claims at all of over unity on their web site.  I have also analyzed a cavitation bubble, and lots of other stuff.   There are about half a dozen points in this thread where I ask you to back your claims up or explain yourself further.  Lo and behold, you have ignored them all.  That tells me, and it tells the readership, that you don't have any technical substance to back up your claims and all of your postings are wishful thinking about cavitation - unless you want to go back and respond to my questions and add substance to your argument.

Going back to the drum water heater.  Imagine it's spinning at 600 RPM without cavitation and producing a flow of hot water representing say 500 watts.  Then imagine it's spinning at 600 RPM with cavitation and producing a flow of hot water representing say 600 watts.  You are shouting and saying, "See, cavitation is amazing and gives you gains!"

What you are missing is this:  When the cavitation bubbles happen inside the drum, the drum produces more heat.  That extra heat doesn't come from "nowhere."   You have two cases where the drum is spinning at 600 RPM.  What's the difference?  The difference is that the drum that is producing the cavitation requires more torque at the same RPM to account for the increased hot water thermal power output.  The drum with the cavitation offers more resistance to the drive motor and therefore requires more torque at a given RPM to output more thermal power.

You are trying to argue that it's "free!!!!!" but it's not free.  You haven't presented any evidence to back up your claims nor have you responded to the half-dozen places in the thread where I asked you to add substance to your argument.

I am more than willing to see you put up some evidence or argue your points.  But for now, cavitation is just "there" and it doesn't do anything in terms of free energy.

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2013, 02:44:30 PM »
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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2013, 03:48:44 PM »
Funny You should say that about Iron MH !!
 
Iron 's place on the periodic Table is DIRECTLY attributed to its ability to do things previously thought impossible.
 
Thus The whole Synthetic Nuclear reaction ....{in the 18 minute vid]
 
Studying The Pistol shrimp has paved the way to Unimaginable opportunities that have absolutely Nothing to do with Pseudo and everything to do with real science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba-FeswwGNQ
 
School is in session .........
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To be Prejudice with out investigation is both arrogant and Ignorant [I should know]
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Start with Roger Stringham in the late 90's, http://sonofusionjets.com/
 
The Iron discovery being discussed in the 18 minute vid is from the last decade 2005 -08 .
« Last Edit: September 27, 2013, 06:16:04 PM by ramset »

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2013, 07:06:18 PM »
@MH
Im not sure how it would work in the drum setup with the holes drilled in it,but with any other water pump,once it cavitates,the load come's off the motor-meaning it draws less current.This we seen all the time in the mine's,with both the water pump's and hydrolic power packs.We found this out when trying to figure out why the surge breakers kept tripping.So myself and the sparky sat there and would watch the amp meters on the motor's.The pump would cavitate ,and the current draw would drop.But when the pump grabed again while running flat out,it would draw a shit load of current in one hit,and throw the breakers.
So from my experiance,cavitation reduces the load on the prime mover. The same applies for boat.When in my youth,and racing formula 3 tunnel boat's,once you trimed up to high,the prop would cavitate,and RPM would go sky high. That was also the end of the prop aswell-high carbon S/S melted in a flash. Now that takes some heat.

But like i said at the start,i dont know if this would be the same in the drum setup?.

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2013, 07:28:52 PM »
Tinman, think of the bubbles as a lot of "ball bearings" alleviating water's elastic death grip on the rotor.  Griggs's setup has been tested by various universities, and found to produce more heat than is taken in as electricity, and the technology has not reached it's full potential by a long shot.
 
 
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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2013, 11:34:04 PM »
Tinman:

I can only offer you a theory for your story.  I believe that I have good to very good mechanical aptitude so I will give it a try.

For starters, the drum setup is not a water pump so you can't compare the two.  Here is the theory:  The pump was obviously being stressed to the limit because the water started to cavitate.  When this happens, all of a sudden the water pump is not pumping water anymore.  If it's not pumping water then the mechanical load on the electric motor goes way down and thus you see the current consumption drop.  It may seem counter-intuitive, but that's the likely scenario.

Now, just for fun, let's take a step back and just look at what's happening at face value without knowing the specifics.  The old Black Box experiment.  If the current consumption of the motor drops, that means the load on the motor has dropped.  It's as simple as that, nothing to think about.  Now put that together with your example and you can say with quite a bit of confidence that when the cavitation was happening there was a reduced load on the motor.  It's the same idea with the drum.  If you are told that the drum is producing more hot water thermal power, then without even looking at it you can look at two possibilities:  1) the driving motor RPM increased, 2) the torque supplied by the driving motor increased.  If you are told that the cavitation in the drum increases the thermal power output then with your eyes closed you can say that it takes more torque to drive the drum when cavitation is happening.  In this case the cavitation increases the friction that wants to stop the drum from turning.

Going back to your story, if the pump has stopped pumping because of the cavitation, the the the water flow at the output side of the motor slows down.  It may slow down a lot in a fraction of a second.

Then the cavitation disappears and all of a sudden the motor is ready to pump again.  However, there is a problem.  The problem is that you have to overcome the inertia of all of the water in the pipe again because it has slowed down a lot and the pump wants to resume pumping at the normal flow rate.  In fact, that's the mechanical inductance of the long pipe filled with water that's causing this problem.  Mechanical inertia is a form of inductance.  So the pump now has a double load, overcoming the inertia of the water in the pipe, and the regular load that's always there.  The motor/pump can't drive the double-load and it chokes and slows down a lot.  Because the motor has slowed down a lot, it's not generating enough CEMF, the current shoots up, and the breaker trips.

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in my youth,and racing formula 3 tunnel boat's,once you trimed up to high,the prop would cavitate,and RPM would go sky high.

That is a somewhat similar example.  When the water cavitates the blades of the prop are not pushing on the water anymore to drive the boat forward.  There is no more load.  The blades are driving "empty space" or "room temperature steam" instead, hence the propeller RPM shoots way up because there is no longer a load to drive.

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Griggs's setup has been tested by various universities, and found to produce more heat than is taken in as electricity, and the technology has not reached it's full potential by a long shot.

Please show us some data.  Otherwise it's just talk.

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« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2013, 01:39:50 AM »
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TS:

You should listen to Tinman's words of wisdom.  I already told you in a previous posting that my alias just popped into my head, it's not a drug reference at all.  Don't even think about making follow-up comments along that line.

Gulp;  I'm sorry, it won't happen again.  And my sincere apologies to your dealer.  I do not wish to offend the cartel!   :P
 
It was an honest question, wrapped in a joke, inside an enigma.  I truly wondered if you selected MileHigh for reasons of lifestyle rather than location.   Feel free to write an unauthorized biography about my username if you wish, I can take it.  My skin isn't quite as thin as some.  I might even get a chuckle and encourage further hyperbole!  Instead of offering up the over reactionary, "don't even dare" line of defense of what is in fact, just a thin, arbitrary veneer.  As you said, an "alias". 
 
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Please show us some data.  Otherwise it's just talk.

Us?  Do you have a mouse in your pocket, or is Harry Dunn over for a visit?
 
If you cannot see the evidence already shared for what it is, then your optometrist has my sympathies.
 
Better days, seeing through the haze, and navigating your maze.
 
 
 
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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2013, 01:40:32 AM »
So while the cavitation event is happening the drag on whatever is spinning goes down and hence the load on the drive motor goes down.

This is in opposition to the expressed view that the load on the drive motor goes up while under cavitation.

The logic is that if the water is heating up more then that force needs to come from somewhere,  that is fine.  The conclusion that it must be adding a load to the drive motor has me at odds with the first line above.

If viewed as a closed system and as a pump, then the water stops ifs flow, and the load goes down while it is cavitating.

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2013, 02:13:26 AM »
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If you cannot see the evidence for what it is, then I am sorry for you.

Really?  I view the above comment as pure spin and disconnected from reality.  You simply don't have any evidence that I am aware of.  The original fire station clip is more than 10 years old now and the guys have wised up.  They don't make claims of over unity.

Just by saying "there is evidence" does not not cut it for me and I am sure that there are many that share my opinion.  I won't let my brain get comfortably numb and just believe what you are saying just because you are saying it.  You see that often in the realm of free energy.  Just look at Sterling Allen's web site.  Very recently there was a comical motor-generator clip from some Romanian guy where you can see where he tried to hide the power cord for the second motor underneath a 2x4 that formed a stand for the contraption.  The vast majority of the comments say that the clip is pure junk yet there are still posters that just blindly want to believe.

I won't ask any more and if you don't provide evidence the readers of the thread can draw their own conclusions.

Webby1:

Like I said, you can't compare apples and oranges.  One is a friction heater and the other is a pump.  They are completely different things.  The cavitation in the friction heater does not affect the integrity of the thin water "skin" that is wrapped around the inner drum.  What it does do is create a "disturbance" to the quasi-laminar flow of water that would exist if there was no cavitation.  That disturbance to the quasi-laminar flow causes more resistance to the rotation of the inner drum.

For a pump, some kind of cylinder is sucking on a long cylindrical plug of water and pulling it through a long pipe and there is resistance to the water flow.  When the length of a pipe is over 100 times the inner diameter of the pipe it acts just like a resistor.  When the water cavitates, then the pump is not pulling the water through the long pipe any more hence the resistance experienced by the motor goes down.

Going back to the drum heater, if it was driven to the point that the thin water "skin" that surrounds the drum itself cavitated, then the resistance to rotation would drop sharply and the drum would speed up like crazy.  Does that make sense to you?

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« Reply #59 on: September 28, 2013, 02:28:35 AM »
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Gulp;  I'm sorry, it won't happen again.  And my sincere apologies to your dealer.  I do not wish to offend the cartel!   (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
 
It was an honest question, wrapped in a joke, inside an enigma.  I truly wondered if you selected MileHigh for reasons of lifestyle rather than location.   Feel free to write an unauthorized biography about my username if you wish, I can take it.  My skin isn't quite as thin as some.  I might even get a chuckle and encourage further hyperbole!  Instead of offering up the over reactionary, "don't even dare" line of defense of what is in fact, just a thin, arbitrary veneer.  As you said, an "alias".

Would you like to be called a crack hoe?

I'll tell you what.  Think instead about having ssex with a 1974 Sylvie Kristel in bathroom of an airplane during a long transatlantic flight.

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