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Author Topic: Overunity (what is it?)  (Read 35371 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2013, 03:31:41 PM »
OU is perspective
If I take A Nickel From Tinman [with out him knowing]
And buy an icecream
I get OU .......[till I get caught]
 
Turns out The least is the most [isn't that Biblical?]
see here
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba-FeswwGNQ
 
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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2013, 03:35:34 PM »
That is just my view on things,, and if it works for others then that is a good thing :)

By the way,, want to see a real 3D magnetic field interaction??

Years ago I used "Toner" to see the fields interaction.  Toner is from copiers, it is a very small metal sphere, 0.5 microns, covered in plastic that is saturated in carbon black.  This stuff is so small that a puff of air will send it all over the place and leave everything around covered with a very thin black layer,, nasty stuff,, use it outside away from everything that you care for.  I also had some that was suspended in silicone oil, fuser oil, and using a flashlight to look through the sides of the container you could see the full effect.

This was done back in the days before digital cameras were affordable,, before the internet,, before cell phones :)

You could also "lock" the shape in with the dry stuff with a heat lamp,, a very small layer at a time,, kind of like thermal printing in 3D.


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Online MileHigh

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2013, 10:45:28 PM »
This is something that I am transferring over from the other thread:

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no !! because of the high tide and the low tide with the influence of the moon and the sun
so the speed rotation  of the earth decrease

I intentionally did not mention the tides and the Moon being thrown away from the Earth and leap seconds and all that stuff to try to simplify the discussion.  That's sometimes a fine line and you might be on the wrong side.

The basic fact remains that planets in orbit or planets rotating about their axes are not in any way related to over unity or free energy.  That seemed to get sidetracked in the discussion.  You simply can't point to the planets in orbit and cite that as an example of over unity or free energy.   Same thing for the electron orbits around nuclei.

As far as the notion goes that if you found an over unity device then you would be forced to conclude that the process is being driven by a hitherto unknown source of power, it makes sense on face value but I am not a fan of it.  Firstly, there are no known over unity devices.  Secondly, I think the last unknown form of power was radioactive power and Madam Curie discovered and quantified it in the 1920s.  So there is a school of thought that says we believe right now that we understand all of the forms that energy can take.  Of course there is always the "you never know" factor, no matter how small the possibility.  But it's not worth worrying about right now.  The first task is to get empirical evidence that you have an over unity device.

Look at the case of all of these alleged over unity motors.  A motor is just coils and contacts and magnets.  If you had an over unity motor you should be able put a scope to the coil output and say, "This coil output waveform is clearly showing a voltage x current waveform that shows extra energy because I know ahead of time how much energy it should show and it's showing more than the measurements indicate it should show."  This is the kind of reality investigation that this stuff requires but you never see it.  You say the motor is outputting over unity mechanical energy?  Fine then let's take a serious look at the guts with our scope and pin-point exactly where the extra energy manifests itself.  I asked poor Doug Konzen that very question a few times and he went ballistic on me every time.

If it is really and truly there then it has to be dissected and deconstructed right down to the ground.  In other words a full tear-down and analysis.  So you analyze every movement of a lever or rotation of a rotor, every charging of a coil, every push on a magnet to find out where the over unity is.  Mysterious "black boxes" and inventors with unstable personalities are not the way to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2013, 12:01:42 AM »

If it is really and truly there then it has to be dissected and deconstructed right down to the ground.  In other words a full tear-down and analysis.  So you analyze every movement of a lever or rotation of a rotor, every charging of a coil, every push on a magnet to find out where the over unity is.  Mysterious "black boxes" and inventors with unstable personalities are not the way to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

MileHigh

The thing is this MH.  Someone may very well have such a device but if that someone does not truly understand what it is and what is driving it, how would they know how to test it to meet the needs of the scientific community?  What if they are trying to get a hand on what made it work to start with?

I have said before that I may think I know how something I have made is working, but the truth of the matter is I may very well be wrong, and since I am usually wrong, then how would I be able to explain it in a way that others could understand?  These are the kind of things that tend to keep some of us a little quiet.

Inventor speak is not translated into proper science\engineering speak, unless someone gets to know the inventor and the way they communicate,, I do NOT see that happening very often.

If the planets are in a frictionless environment then why is there a speed limit?

I know,, just nit-picking :)

Unknown source of power,, or maybe something that is known but not appreciated.  Cavitation has been known about for ages,, just talk to some old timers about boat propellers,, but look at what they are doing with it now.


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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2013, 12:15:30 AM »
You are still "stuck" in the power-in vs. power-out universe, even if you might not have a grasp of the scientific terminology.  So if you have an over unity "black box" you definitely want to open up the box to see what makes it tick.  If there was indeed a process, that implies that you could design a machine around the process itself.

Now if you could fire a cannonball horizontally fast enough, the curvature of the Earth would "fall away" from the cannonball such that as the cannonball falls the Earth falls away at the same rate.  Hmmmmm... lol

I am sensing a buzz about cavitation but I am not feeling it.  You are overcoming the tensile strength of water and you end up with what is essentially a vacuum in the water.  So there is a HUGE source of power required to create the cavitation.  Submarines worry about the noise it creates and now the modern ones all have only one large propeller.  (I once read Tom Clancy!)

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2013, 12:38:14 AM »
Well.. with what I am playing with things are not making too much sense right now,, so that is how it is until I can at least get enough understanding of what does what to make things consistent.

Is that velocity not something like 17000 MPH

Have you considered the non-moving interactive field areas of a permanent magnet?  Those areas where when you spin a PM the metal filings line up and stop spinning backwards,, they stop moving and stay in a fixed balance point I suppose,, it is fun to watch the little trains of metal spinning and then jump up to the top of those ranges.

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2013, 02:35:01 AM »
Webby1:

Sorry I can't visualize what you are talking about with the magnet and the metal filings.

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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2013, 02:51:07 AM »
No problem,,

That was from a long time ago anyway :)

You know what they look like for a stationary magnet,, maybe you have seen them when the magnet is moving,, they form little chains of filings and then they will stand up and then lay down as the pole of a magnet moves past them, well when the magnet is spinning they move backwards to the direction of the magnet, and then when you spin it fast enough they do not lay back down but rather spin like they are doing cartwheels.

I spent hours just watching this happen, call me strange,, and then I used a heat lamp to fuse the stuff I was using to make a 3d picture of the non-moving area where all the particles ended up,, no longer moving.

The size of the particles was 0.5 microns and they were spheres covered in plastic saturated with carbon black,, aka Toner for a copier :)  I was using an alternating stress field magnet thingy I built out of speaker magnets that I cut in half,, I called it my Grapefruit :)

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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2013, 03:17:58 AM »
Okay I think I might understand now.  Something like when a demonstrator has a glass bottle filled with iron filiings and then brings the end of a magnet up to the bottle and you see all of the filings stand up and line up on top of each other and make little spike shapes?  Or maybe you have seen the exotic ferro-fluid clips on YouTube where this liquid that looks like black oil will do similar things when they energize electromagnets?  There are dynamic ferro-fluid sculpture clips on YouTube where you can see all sorts of amazing spike-like patterns created in the strong magnetic fields.  It's magnetic goop.

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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2013, 07:59:16 AM »
I would like you all to look at this video again,as i noticed something when watching a second time.The video was shot in slow motion,and at a guess,we would think(judging on previous video's)that the rotor is doing at least 2800RPM. So from this,you can see how much the film has been slowed.You will also see when they inject the dye.But check out the bubbling water in each of the cavitation hole's-it looks like the water is boiling at normal speed. So can you imagine how violenly and fast the water would be moving about in those holes at normal camera speed. No wonder that it boils instantly,with that type of violent movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oha0Doj-seI

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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2013, 08:02:22 AM »
Here is a better video,showing the device as a whole,befor they switch to slow motion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBxpn6odtcA

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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2013, 08:21:52 AM »
So it seems that we agree(mostly) that in all OU machine's there has to be an unknown energy source entering the system somewhere.
The setup in the two previous video's,couldnt be much simpler. We have an electric motor,and a drum full of hole's,that is submersed in water.It is claimed that this system is up to 170% efficient-OU?.

So insted of just dismising it as rubbish,can we find anything in the systems opperation,or any of the materials(including the water)that could produce this excess energy,under these condition's?.
Would the high speed collisions of water and air,boil water far more efficiently that fire(or any other method) can?

Maybe we have been going about this the wrong way,in reguards to building these free energy machines.Insted of building a machine,and hope that it pulls in some energy from somewhere-why not first identify what could be an energy source,then build the machine to capture it,or use it.


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Re: Overunity (what is it?)
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2013, 10:38:08 AM »
Hi everyday ;D


Overunity is simply FREE ENERGY


An energy that is free cycled to itself abundantly.  8)

By master otitots ;D
 

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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2013, 01:28:27 PM »

Maybe we have been going about this the wrong way,in reguards to building these free energy machines.Insted of building a machine,and hope that it pulls in some energy from somewhere-why not first identify what could be an energy source,then build the machine to capture it,or use it.

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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2013, 04:16:50 PM »

I am sensing a buzz about cavitation but I am not feeling it.  You are overcoming the tensile strength of water and you end up with what is essentially a vacuum in the water.  So there is a HUGE source of power required to create the cavitation.  Submarines worry about the noise it creates and now the modern ones all have only one large propeller.  (I once read Tom Clancy!)
MH
I dont think that is right in this case.Sure,when we place water under a vacume,the water boil's-as such. But when you remove that vacume and stick your hand in the water,it is still cold.The water in this device is that hot it turns to steam.To achieve an output of steam like seen in the video's,the water would actualy have to be under preasure-not a vacume.

There is nothing in that machine that could put the water under a vacume.Once cavitation starts,there is small explosions taking place where the cavitation bubbles are in contact with the impellor.Also note that once cavitation happens,90% of the load on the prime mover is removed.

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