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Author Topic: The Return to Steam  (Read 8702 times)

Offline markdansie

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The Return to Steam
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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2013, 05:25:54 AM »
Excellent!  Sometimes, the old ways are the best ways...especially when combined with new technology.

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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2013, 09:10:50 AM »
 
The hydrosonic pump produces steam in seconds and is proven to produce more energy as heat than taken in as electricity.
No word on whether or not the steam has been used to power a steam turbine in order to power it's own drive motor.
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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 03:27:30 PM »

The hydrosonic pump produces steam in seconds and is proven to produce more energy as heat than taken in as electricity.
No word on whether or not the steam has been used to power a steam turbine in order to power it's own drive motor.
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Is that the one that uses cavitation?  If so, I have seen videos of it.  Very impressive.

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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 11:44:36 PM »
 
Yep.  And like all the other "impressive" tech, it seems the "goyim" are perpetually unworthy to partake.

The device is proven overunity....and instantly produces steam nearly the moment it is turned on.  Much room for improvement as well.
 

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« Last Edit: September 25, 2013, 03:26:01 AM by TechStuf »

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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 11:44:36 PM »
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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 11:56:36 PM »
TS:

Can you show your link or links for the hydrosonic pump?

Thanks,

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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2013, 12:57:40 AM »
Richard Aho - Impact Steam Generator
http://www.rexresearch.com/ahomist/ahomist.htm
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"...Secondly, our steam is not generated directly from an external heat source; rather it is produced by hyper-sonic high impact molecular collisions which take place in our impact chambers which are located at the point of energy need.  This method of producing super-heated dry steam eliminates both the energy needed for the boiling of the water and the energy lost during the transportation of the steam.

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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2013, 03:03:21 AM »
I looked at the impact steam generator and sorry but I don't buy it.  I checked out the web site but didn't dig too deep because I had seen enough.

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The technology behind our system is simple. It is well known that both hydraulic power and its effect on fluid are both linear.  For example, if you increase the power by a factor of three, your output and expense will increase by a factor of three. However, since kinetic energy is exponential, the energy derived from the speed of the water molecules in this example will increase by a factor of eight.  Simple physics, abundant supply, and proven tests - Molecular Impact Steam Technology.

The idea expressed here is that since kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity, that you are getting something for free.  The simple physics says no, so this has a show stopper problem from the start.

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The energy we must apply in order for our 10 HP pump to produce the required pressure to process 120 lbs. of water per hour is  7.46 Kw which is 124.3 watts per minute to pump 2 lbs. 0f water at 30,000 psi and a velocity of 3,000 m/s.  This gives us and output of 1139 watts using only 124.3 watts of energy.  The rest of the energy comes from the energy contained within the bonding of the molecules of water.

Another red flag, incorrectly expressing power and energy concepts.  It's inexcusable.  Let's suppose that he means 7.46 kWh of energy.  So that's 7460 x 3600 = 26.865 megajoules of energy.  That's 7460 joules of energy per second and 447600 joules per minute.  What the hell does he even mean when he says, "124.3 watts per minute?"  The assumption is that the rate of power consumption is 7.56 kW.

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We are not trying to say we are creating energy out of nothing. What we are doing is capturing the release of the energy holding the molecules of water together

Really?  It's more like you have to do mechanical work to pull the water molecules apart.  You have to put energy in to pull the molecules of water apart and you have to put more energy in to get the water molecules moving at speed.  It's almost like pulling magnets apart.  You are injecting energy into your system when you do that.

He is trying to suggest that when the water droplets slam into the target at 1700 meters per second that there is some kind of spontaneous extra energy release from the water molecules.  No way, when the water molecules hit the target the kinetic energy mostly goes into the water and it effectively boils.  This is just the kinetic energy in the water becoming the kinetic energy in the steam in one very short instant of time.  There is no reason to expect anything but normal physics and thermodynamics to come into play here.  You have some big electrical motor running some kind of special high pressure pump going through piezo-electric valves that let the water out in high speed droplets.  You have to think of the high pressure water just like being a wire at very high voltage.  Even a small flow of water at very high pressure represents a lot of power that has to go somewhere if you use it.  It's the same as high voltage, you know that just a little bit of current going into a high-ohmage resistor will make it hot because the power is proportional to the square of the voltage.  It's the same identical thing for the high pressure water.  The power you can extract from the water by having it flow is proportional to the square of the water pressure.

This Richard Aho impact steam generator is a device that obeys the conservation of energy, for sure.  At least that's what I'm seeing.

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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2013, 03:21:32 AM »
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw&list=PL5733824E8EC41CDA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oha0Doj-seI&list=PL5733824E8EC41CDA

http://hydrodynamics.com/

Sono-luminescence has long held promise.  That it is being done mechanically, instead of solid state does not imply inefficiency.  Pistol Shrimp have been doing it long before man.

The technology appears quite valid to me....and apparently, Hydrodynamics' customers.

 
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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2013, 03:59:07 AM »
TS:

That fuelless heater in the fire station clip is probably a good 10 years old by now.  It's almost the same principle.  He pumps big time mechanical energy into a drum from a motor shaft.  Inside the drum the water is being sheared by the moving parts and that mechanical torque x angular velocity input power simply has to go somewhere when it is pumped into the drum.  It becomes hot water, it's more or less the only place for the mechanical power to go.  So hot water literally has to come out of the drum.  The usual suspect problem is here in this clip, there are no power input vs. power output measurements, it's all anecdotal.  But the firemen are happy that's for sure!

Good for that company in finding industrial uses for cavitation.  There are lots of fascinating industrial processes if you are the type to like to watch buildings going up or see copper smelters in action, etc.  I took a tour of a huge nickel mine once.

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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 04:28:45 AM »
 
Call him a liar all you want.....

I think he's telling the truth, and again, his customers seem pleased.

More energy released as heat than taken in as electricity.....

Not bad in my book.

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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2013, 04:55:14 AM »
If you are talking about the impact heater with the high-speed water droplets then indeed we will have to agree to disagree.  I did not get a sense that the guy was showing any serious measurements.   Perhaps the electrical power into the drive motor vs. the steam power output.  I am going to guess that there is some kind of sensor that you could put inline with a steam line that will tell you in real time if the steam is dry or not.  Then connect that to some kind of steam flow rate meter.  So if you could make those measurements you would get an under unity device.  It's simply not true to state that very very high speed water droplets will become steam in an over unity process.  There is simply no rational reason to think that that could possibly be true.  The kinetic energy in the moving droplets will become the kinetic energy in the steam less losses.  That huge energy input requirement to split water and get it over the 100C hump and turn it into steam will still be at play.  Certainly some energy is lost in the metal target when the water droplets hit.  A shock wave will flow through the metal chassis and that energy will get dissipated in the chassis itself.

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Re: The Return to Steam
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 10:57:58 PM »
 
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That huge energy input requirement to split water and get it over the 100C
hump and turn it into steam will still be at play.

In your mind, it is all but certain.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw&list=PL5733824E8EC41CDA

http://hydrodynamics.com/cavitation-technology/scale-free-heating/
 

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