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Author Topic: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot  (Read 12605 times)

Offline bugler

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Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« on: September 18, 2013, 10:59:34 PM »
Hi.
Around 7 years ago when I first learned about Tesla, Mooray, Gray, Mayers etc I didn't understand anything at all about what I was reading in Lindeman's books, the videos I watched, etc. I was reading a lot but not understanding much due to my lack of knowledge.


In that state of mind I believed in FE machines like the Champ Wheels, the guys using a water pump to feed a water turbine connected to a generator, etc.


I then studied mechanical engineering and now I feel stupid for believing those really silly nonsense.
As I still didn't know much about electromagnetism I believed that even though there was no hope in mechanical devices there was hope in electromagnetism.
But after reading a book in electromagnetism (Electromagnetism principles and applications by Paul Lorrain) and another one on electrical motors (Electrical machines, drives, and power systems by Theodore Wildi) I am beginning to think that there is no hope in oficial electromagnetism either. Now I feel like a fool for believing the guy who said that with toroids you could get electricity for free, etc.


My point is that the more I learn the more rubbish I see in the forums and the less places I see to find FE.
Things like people thinking that mu-material is a somehow hidden tecnology doesn't make any sense any more. Those thoughts comes from not understanding permitivity, magnetic flux, etc.


Do you really want to do something about FE. Study and study serious books. It will take years but it will be worth it.


Once said that I still believe in FE but it must be in hidden knowledge (like Tesla Radiant Energy, etc). But without official knowledge one doesn't have the basic knowledge to understand anything about power & energy in mechanics and electromagnetism so the chances to do something useful is close to zero.


What do you guys think?

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Offline TechStuf

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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 11:22:31 PM »
Ditto....
 
In spades.
 
An appalling amount of wasted energy is wasted in pursuit of FE.  So much so, that if I could harness but a fraction of it.....
 
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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2013, 12:42:07 AM »
What do you guys think?

Hi bulger,

To an extent I agree, but to another extent I disagree.

Having a wild and crazy idea is a good thing, but running off to the races with it, without having some basic understanding about things is bad.  Many people spend a lot of time chasing something and almost getting there,, and then BANG! it hits them in the face,, the part they overlooked or did not understand.

On the other hand, if all we do is what has been taught, and the only way we see and use things is as we have been taught, then the only thing we can ever do is repeat what has already been done.

An issue I see is that the people with the wild idea will not listen at all to those with the practical knowledge, and those with that very practical knowledge have a hard time "seeing" what the wild idea is,, but the feedback is a very useful tool to the crazy thinker.

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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2013, 02:43:30 AM »
You are correct Bulger.   Theory totally rules out any kind of free energy arising from either mechanical or electromagnetic sources. Only a fool would persist with such surety aligned against them.

In the end it all boils down to entropy. If you are looking for 'over-unity' energy you must devise a way to defeat that. I would posit that the only way involves quantum effects , and by necessity that implies building quantum scale devices.  Hardly within the realm of amateur experimentation.

'Free energy' is a different ballgame however. That involves simply identifying a mechanism to concentrate existing environmental energy. I can already substantially power my home using photo-voltaics and solar water heating. Since the sun is not due to stop shining anytime soon I would argue the era of free energy is already on us. 


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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2013, 03:19:49 AM »
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Theory totally rules out any kind of free energy arising from either
mechanical or electromagnetic sources. Only a fool would persist with such
surety aligned against them.

LOL....
 
History is littered with examples that break your dusty, indoctrinated mold.  And history is replete with fools using nearly your exact words by which to firmly plant their foot in their mouths or their heads into posterity for years to come.

Contrary to LE's mixed metaphors and blanket judgments....

My advice would be to "totally" ignore anyone who begins a sentence with the words, "Theory totally rules out".  Such "surety" has laughably failed countless times.  And as for your distinction between free energy and 'Free energy' not to mention the fact that you fail to note, either out of ignorance or intention, those examples which are already proven to break your mold....

That says something that requires no theory to comprehend.

 
 
TS
 
 

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Offline CuriousChris

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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2013, 01:09:06 PM »
LOL....
 
History is littered with examples that break your dusty, indoctrinated mold.  And history is replete with fools using nearly your exact words by which to firmly plant their foot in their mouths or their heads into posterity for years to come.

TS

And yet here we are today 2013 and not one of those history littered devices is available.

Wake up why don't you.

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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2013, 06:07:37 PM »
Here is my two cents of advice,
If you have a PASSION for IT... DO IT.  (No time is wasted unless you make it so, for even Wonder can be Wonderful)
There will be no such thing as free energy for we even pay for the air we Breath in the costs to keep it clean.
But there will be "EFFICIENT" energy, so much so that as ideas & experiments bear fruit, it will appear to be ALMOST FREE!  (Exponentially in my humble opinion)
So keep those ideas coming and let the PROCESS evolve. IT is the natural state of being to evolve and become more EFFICIENT.  Nature always seeks out the path of least Resistance and if I have to labor less but serve more, the more I like IT!.  (What is 'IT"?  That is for you to CHOOSE!)  Then as the last line of the saying goes..."AND THEN "IT" BECOMES SELF-EVIDENT".

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Offline Leviathan

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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2013, 07:25:31 PM »
Are you me?? I've came to the same conclusion after many years of study, every thing I see on these forums that people claim to be new and totally different is completely explainable. My fading hope is that one day something truly new will come about.

Offline forest

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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2013, 09:09:19 PM »
IF there is no hope for free energy then everything around should all be well described , computed and working in every case according to well known theories. Yet, shit happens everyday. Try to count devices damaged by unknown or known sources of energy around.....


Sorry but the more your read books the bigger chance you become like a builders of Titanic....

Offline bugler

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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2013, 11:00:17 PM »
I didn't make myself too clear cause I mixed two ideas:


What I meant was:



1) It si pointless trying to do something useful in FE without a good background in science & engineering. If you don't understand the basics of electromagnetism, etc you are just losing your time. A deep study of official science is a must. The more I learn the more nonsense I read in the forums. In other words, things I used to believe in now I see them as crap.


2) There is no free energy in conventional science. So once you have studied a lot you must think out of the box.

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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2013, 11:57:40 PM »
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And yet here we are today 2013 and not one of those history littered devices is
available.

Wake up why don't you.

If by, "wake up" you unconsciously meant, "fall asleep", as seems apparent by your lack of study, then obviously, I do not concur...
 
That you are actually using one of the very devices that experts said could not be made, in order to broadcast their same kind of ignorance is rather oxy-moro-ironic...

Don't ya think? 

I could go on and on......and on...with the nauseating list of devices in use (or intentionally shelved) today, which the respected 'brains' of yesteryear, boldly declared utterly impossible.  The more impressive and embarrassing the discovery for these blowhards, the more these spineless simps curry their terminologies to alleviate any pricks to the miniscule remnants of "character" and "conscience" they might still possess.  And a working gravity driven wheel revealed today would garner virtually zero apologies or any other kind of contrition for their former behavior from today's crustaceanic, collegiate confederacy....
 
Sadly, we live in the worst kind of "dark age" today.  Never has the gulf between the "enlightened" and "unwashed" been so great. 
 
Such is the way near the end of empires.
 
And the end to end all ends, is peeking around the Corner as we speak.  Yet so too, does a Beginning like no other....

"The first shall be last, and the last shall be first".
 

 
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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2013, 01:46:03 PM »
"Such is the way near the end of empires.
 
And the end to end all ends, is peeking around the Corner as we speak.  Yet so too, does a Beginning like no other....

"The first shall be last, and the last shall be first".
 

  Amen to that.
 


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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2013, 02:32:15 PM »
 Bugler,
 
 you studied mechanical engineering ?
 
 Hope in kinematics:
 
 This is a fair good basic experiment for you to study which user pequaide posted in his thread here:
 
 http://www.overunity.com/1995/free-energy-from-gravitation-using-newtonian-physic/#.Uj7c6n8w6uI
 
 See page 1, 6, 8 for a first impression what his findings are.
 
 Unfortunately he stopped posting here.
 
 Hope in the field of electromagnetics:
 
Dr.Eue Jin Jeong : Space Energy Extraction using the new electromagnetic principle
Coulomb-pressure and self-energy has been neglected by conventional physics and electronics ( distraction)
Its is written in the first sentences here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_energy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-jWfzkz_E
 
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.de/
 
I can give you more but I think that is enough for a first start of studies
 
Regards
 
Kator01
 

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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2013, 07:53:34 AM »

 Hope in the field of electromagnetics:
 
Dr.Eue Jin Jeong : Space Energy Extraction using the new electromagnetic principle
Coulomb-pressure and self-energy has been neglected by conventional physics and electronics ( distraction)
Its is written in the first sentences here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_energy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-jWfzkz_E
 
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.de/
I have read the wikipedia article about self-energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_energy


No free energy there. Is like if you have water up hill and get energy with a turbine and think that it is free energy (in reality it is) but you are getting the energy cause somehow the water got up hill. Once you get the energy out of it and there is no more water up hill you stop getting free energy. So it is not really free energy you can use for ever.


I will look the other two links soon. And also de mechanical thing.


Cheers.


Offline profitis

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Re: Wanna do something useful on FE? Study a lot
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2013, 02:53:46 PM »
no no @bugler,the more scientific knowledge you gain the MORE you begin to see the possibilities for frei energie..and when i say frei i mean frei.@techstuff couldnt have said it better.to deny the existence of the dirty stuff is very childish.

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