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Author Topic: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.  (Read 17377 times)

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PROJECT ECONOWINTERIZE
The farmers almanac states that it is going to be a frigid and wet winter for most of the united states this winter lets beat the cold and save on our bills together!
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What is it?
I am starting this project in hopes to find new and novel ideas on how to save energy costs associated with winter stuff that is under unity is fine with this topic lets keep the overunity in the overunity topics this would obviously be the end all solution for a lot of things and a new beginning for a lot more.

What am I looking for?
Fine details about how the collective brain power of this forum goes about saving both gas, electric, and money during the winter months.

What are the guidelines?
Well the guidelines of this project are simple cheap and effective methods of cutting costs during the winter months even the obvious ones should be listed.
Do not reference any other materials or post links being too lazy to type them out.
Keep on topic please do not call anyone stupid for stating the obvious or having an idea chances are there is someone that this could help. Don't say it has all been done before there is nothing left to do with conservation. We all know this is false because we are constantly finding more ways to be conservative this project is beyond lamer status so leave them thoughts at the door.
Using recycled materials or free materials would be a big help as reducing the cost of materials is also a form of saving money and should not be discounted.
Saving money ideas could be as simple as starting an indoor garden to offset some grocery bill costs.
Saving money could be novel ways of making money during the winter months online.
All ventures should be legal, viable and safe whether saving gas, electric, or money please do not suggest things such as money or meter fraud for instance this is not welcome.
URLS on where to get products are welcome but please do not spam some website that you run so you can make a quick buck off of everyone this is defeating the purpose for everyone else.

In closing and further comments:
I think this has potential to add some good solid information to overunity.com and should draw some interest it may not be a time machine wardencliff tower or anything that grand but who knows what will happen out of this project the only outcome I can see is we will have a project that is not a fake and will not take any radical equations to prove this either it works for you or it does not.

Thank all of you for reading and in advance I would like to thank all of you that partake in this project.
Share your pictures.
Share your info even if it you think everyone knows there are more and more younger people trying to make it on there own and learning and may not know. If you can limit reposts of the same ideas unless you have a novel way of doing it better or cheaper.
If you wish you may post links to video that you yourself have created try and keep all content within the relm of what you are going to do or are doing if you feel the need you can post other content but please state that you do not do this and it is not your work.

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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2013, 04:39:54 AM »
Here is an idea that I was trying to do before winter, but many other projects prevented it.
Add about a four foot section of copper pipe to your shower drain (maybe a few dents in it would help), then circulate the incoming cold water around it to pull some waste heat an raise the temperature of the water coming into the shower.
 
If you can raise the water coming in even 15 degrees, that could help dramatically to use less hot water.
 

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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2013, 07:17:40 AM »
Ok, here goes....

I got tired of the ridiculously rapacious (it's sad what people will do to their fellow countrymen when they have them "over a barrel") gas and electric heating costs and built a double barrel woodstove for my basement.  Cost about a 100 bucks.  Our main source of heat for the last 8 years.  Very efficient as the top barrel exchanges heat quite well.  At average operating temps, it puts out about 75-90,000btu.  On the subzero nights it can be opened up to about 150,000btu. For a bit more moola, one may drill the back of the bottom barrel and install a Hilkoil water heating loop (or reasonable facsimile  8) ) that runs to the hot water heater, effectively nullifying hot water heating costs for the duration of the burning season. 

Also quite efficient, is the magnifying of incoming solar radiation for E,W, and S facing windows.  I have vertical blinds in my living room and kitchen which are swapped out in the winter months with black metal slats.  Reflective surfaces may be added outside the window in order to direct more light onto the black body surface areas.  This year, I may also add Fresnel lens assemblies to the black vertical blind slats for even greater heat generation and a small solar powered motor that causes the blinds to track the sun. 

There are those who swear by Evacuated Solar Tubes as far north as Canada.  One may wish to experiment with those as well.  Very efficient.  As for me, the necessity for outside installations is negated if one makes efficient, if not "Purdy", use of ones own windows.  Lets face it, this late in the year, and given Earth's relatively recent attitudinal/orbital changes, options for inexpensive solutions are waning fast. 

Some are reporting good results with indoor mobile heat pump heaters/ac units.  Great for zone heating, especially if one is able to power their electric heat with wind/solar. 

For you busy beavers with the time and equipment....consider the work of good ol' Russ Finch.

http://citrusinthesnow.com/

 
Blessings all the way to the bone marrow, we're gonna need 'em.
 
 
TS

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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2013, 12:18:59 AM »
Great topic idea.

Well, besides using JT circuits for all of my summer/winter interior lighting, I use alcohol burners to add heat in the winter over here.  I also burn kerocene lamps that give off both light and heat.

This winter I am going to invest in a 5,000 BTU alcohol stove that is similar in the design of one we used to go across the country in the 1960's.  (Camping)  No problem with CO and you can make your own alcohol to heat your house.  (Might be illegal to do so, check federal and state laws on this.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Qm9&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=denatured+alcohol+stove&revid=75718134&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1263&bih=558&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=10716306896597489433&sa=X&ei=qc_BTrblF4TqggeC8cXJBw&ved=0CHUQ8wIwAw

I have no ties to this product but, it resembles the one we used such a long time ago.  I live in a small apartment and I can usually keep my electric bill below $40/month in the winter.  (Less in the summer)  Everthing here is electric, water heater, stove, heat/cooling, lights....so I do not think I am doing too bad.

Just tossing this out as an idea but, if you really get serious, it is amazing what you can do and still have light and be warm.

Bill

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« Last Edit: September 16, 2013, 06:31:59 AM by Qwert »

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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2013, 05:00:28 PM »

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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2013, 09:58:50 PM »
 
Qwert, regarding geothermal, Russ Finch did it cheaper.  Much cheaper.  The "experts" avoid it because it is so easy and makes them no money. 

My last link in my first reply to this topic.
 

TS
 

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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2013, 01:12:45 AM »
Thanx, TechStuf. So, we have very good and ready idea. Here is the short story:
http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2010/01/22/the-missing-geothermal-technology/

Unfortunately, not for me: I live in Chicago and here making simple hole on own yard is impossible without permits. And permits are obtainable only by proper, documented professionals.

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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2013, 03:06:38 AM »
Qwert, dig at night.
 
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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2013, 04:17:42 AM »
Qwert, dig at night.
 
lol

There you go.  They can't control us 24/7....yet.

Bill

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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2013, 03:31:32 PM »
There you go.  They can't control us 24/7....yet.

Bill

Yes, there are some ideas, I know... one of them is: "dig underground" (sic).

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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2013, 07:12:40 AM »
Excellent I'm shocked at the amount of responses I have got within a weeks time it is just proof that there is a real need for this type of thing.

Anyone care to share some pictures of their designs.

I am going to be doing a bit of my winterizing here soon I will take some pictures...

I like the idea of the black blinds I may use a similar approach to this problem...

I also plan on starting an indoor winter garden to grow some fresh produce this winter.
I will be trying:
mini bell peppers supposed to grow well in winter
brussle sprouts unsure if they grow well
chives unsure if they grow well
sibirean tomatoes smuggled from russia long ago and used during the winter for a good indoor grower
black strawberries best growing strawberry for indoors
bonsi blueberries supposed to grow well on a patio dunno about indoors but from what I have read it is the best shot
spinach a variety that was made for winter
lettuce unsure if it will grow but going to try
maybe even more to be honest dunno

I have been brainstorming cheapest ideas for setting up my indoor grow operation like containers and things I could repurpose for growing. Have not settled completely but I will share when I do settle.
knowing this during daylight hours I will need to maintain close to 70 degrees for growing I have an unused room upstairs rather then owning more JUNK or hoarding I plan to make logical use of this living space.

I also plan to seal up my home fairly well this winter by:
Caulking the windows around the inside frame works.
Possibly using something to collect heat like the black blind idea on windows I do not really need to see out of.
Then indoors on the outside of all of my windows (on the frame) I plan to use some clear plastic duck kits.
I plan on weather stripping around all non hinged edges of all of my doors.
I plan on completely sealing off one of my exits with a thick heavy mil plastic because we never use it!
I plan on completely sealing off the basement access doors to the outside with heavy mil plastic as well because we never use it.
I plan on putting foam covering on both my cold and hot water pipes.


I would kill for a double barrel setup or an alcohol burner but when you rent a home there is always issues with burning anything for insurance reasons. I really wish there was a way around this for me but it appears that my landlords will not permit me to burn anything for heat other than gas from my local coop... But please do not stop posting these ideas because they are of value to many people.

Does anyone have anything done yet that they can share some good pics of ? I would really love to see all your hard work and good setups and put some visualizations in this project that everyone can have! I realize I am asking a lot to have you charge up your batteries to that digital camera and upload files to your computer and then to overunity.com as it can be painstaking but I will tell you what if you folks purchase an eye-fi sd card rather then the typical sd card you can save a lot of your troubles and allow your camera to upload via your wireless router automagically!

We really need to get some pictures going this is really going to strike interest with the general public and grab some more attention and in return we may get to see some more folks like us at these forums sharing some great ideas that might save all of us some money.

I also plan on looking into some home based work over the internet during the winter months if I can find something decent that doesn't just pay 5 cents or something crazy for doing 30 minutes of work... Amazon mechanical turk is interesting but the pay rates on there are like highway robbery! It took me about 2 weeks of doing odd crap on there to earn a lousy 7.00 not too exciting and not making me want to head back to that any time soon other than to check if the wages improve the rates are dependent upon who posts them so it is subject to change by the minute technically. I have found some other microjob type websites that have not seemed to pan out the greatest either but still on the hunt!

If you have a suggestion on online working you do not wish to share in public feel free to msg me I know how it can be sometimes you prefer not to speak of online work and would rather it be kept confidential because it is personal to you and you may not want to look like you are advertising for the company which would be considered spam in most cases... With anything if you have something you would like to keep confidential I am always open to this and would gladly allow you to share with me on an individual basis but I do prefer public domain where possible as we can encourage each other to do more for each other.

The way I see it if we want to fix this world we have to fix our point of view instead of the world being considered a Me World we need to switch our point of view to how can we redefine this world as a We World we are all accountable for our society and the things and the types of people that are produced from it! Look at some of the interesting thought testing that was going on in Einsteins era you will find that the action of just thinking and believing in something invokes changes in the universe. This may sound crazy but the notion was backed up with albeit limited testing that was done to prove the theory but the results while limited did seem to amaze. Many ancient cultures were aware of this as well if you study your history.



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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2013, 04:38:56 AM »
pirate:

Is there a lot of suit and smoke from the alcohol burner I am curious on using this actually at second look my only fear is that I will leave home for my 8hour shift at work and come home with a burnt down apartment ... I really think this may be a fairly good idea but .... I have a 2 story home with big rooms it is an old farm house that I rent.

Oh yeah I guess this is still on topic as it qualifies for electrical savings did you ever get a good efficient mark that you hit with your ground battery testing? I see you are fairly creative and likely one of the most crude but effective DIYer's on this forum.

I'd really enjoy if you would share some pictures of these burners with us as well as your Joule Thief lighting circuits I use 75watt eqiv. CCFL bulbs with the daylight color temperature this helps me tremendously in the winter as it gives me an abundance of nice clean non yellow lighting my guess is you live in an apartment complex and are able to borrow wifi for a near feeless internet as well... I would love to do all of this and obviously it'd be great to find a way to be free of rent charges as well but good luck with that one unless you can convince your landlord and a cellphone provider to put a cell phone tower on your rented property and you have an agreement if you could get x amount of dollars for this tower per month that he would give you free rent there for as long as you stayed lol! Fat chance but still would be nice.

PS I got about 5 windows done today myself I did take some pics and will post them but first I want to get a couple more things done like some of the thicker mil plastic work. Should have that done tomorrow I think then I will upload some pics.

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Re: (Project EconoWinterize) Need to borrow your collective brain power.
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2013, 07:15:16 PM »

Well, besides using JT circuits for all of my summer/winter interior lighting, I use alcohol burners to add heat in the winter over here.  I also burn kerocene lamps

There ought to be a method of fermenting grass cuttings (full of carbohydrates) to make a dilute alcohol solution and then distilling it.

Is there such a method?

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2013, 06:22:15 AM »
There ought to be a method of fermenting grass cuttings (full of carbohydrates) to make a dilute alcohol solution and then distilling it.

Is there such a method?

Yes, there are many methods to produce this fuel.  Easy to do at home too.  But, it is illegal to do so here in the US.  (Go figure)  Anything with sugar can be fermented with some yeast and distilled easily.  It takes only a few days to ferment.  Sugar is what is converted to alcohol so I am not sure about grass clippings.  Corn, corn meal, apples and most fruit, bags of sugar, etc will work just fine.  See Youtube for home distilling methods and explanations.  (For educational purposes only)  It burns clean with no CO and produces a lot of heat.  You can buy denatured alcohol but it is pretty high.

Bill