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Offline DaS Energy

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2013, 12:33:56 PM »
Hello lancaIV.
 No sorry. Pure act of God. Trade off he give back car and trailer we cut Carbon. Police rang concerned may be bomb loaded and left parked at Police Station. So began the long trail.
 
Volkswagen said no to DaS Engine then branded itself Das Auto.
Hands across the world we will dig out other hard drive and post across Carrnot.
Sincerely,
Peter

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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2013, 12:55:39 PM »
Okay,"learning by doing life experiences" ::)  !
But you see that many people tried -up to date- to resolve ambiental and resources diminuating questions.


Asking VW to introduce the DaS Engine in their drives modell program ?
As outsider /outbacker  ;) 
They a.only except patent awarded ideas ( comercial Monopol) and b.from their own "stall/staff" !
And this not only VW,all the industrial trusts.
And not only as heat-machine


Jakelj e-Motor-story and General Motors : offered as Fee-idea :           No !
                                                                   offered as Fee-free idea:     No !


The Schukey ORC-engine,demonstrated in front of a german parl(i)ament delegation, introduced ?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schukey-Motor
Who were also investors ? ...Auto....

Extracting the important information ( compare with Thomas Cosbys invention process)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gegenstromprinzip_(Verfahrenstechnik)
                      fluidal  AC or DC current   
               Schukey-engine medium :Air (= air consistence)

and this :
 Im Umweltbundesamt von Deutschland ist man der Auffassung, dass die Chemieindustrie die Automobilindustrie unter Druck setzt, den Schukey-Motor zu ignorieren und weiterhin Kältemittel zu kaufen.[6] Unter Leitung des Umweltbundesamts erhielt der Schukey-Motor Förderung durch dieEuropäische Union [15]
 
  But: he,Schukey, R.I.P., but the idea is alive and "laeuft und laeuft und laeuft"
                           http://www.thermodyna.de/

                                            Ignorance !
                There are worldwide better solutions ! Better drives !
    The industry,the universities and the estate parl(i)aments know it!
             Only not the "brave" consumer ,the political voter!
 
The only solution for all developers shall be to explore the idea as C.A.D.-plan
based by a functional -comercial ready and approved model(l) for D.I.Y.
included tool/parts deliverer list and digitized
or the ready-to-use modell as Kit
or finally the comercial product as renting ware or selling -to market competitive prices.
           Probably with the help from motivated students and University Dekans.

But this all your project group has to decide themself which way will be the best-
or all possibilities in one program !
Co-operation with him ? http://www.engineair.com.au/

CSIRO : not interested to help ? The australian Government ? The ASEAN-wealth ?


Build your own interest trust(like the Ford company history shows:
                                             associate the interest :
                                                ZEGO-construction
                                          Rio Tinto(RTZ/Xantra?) (metalls exploring)

and  "Act of GOD" related, including :
                               (buisiness) angel backing/banking (no haresy)


Why should anybody invest in your project ? What are the winnings ? win-win ?
2013-2xxx ? Changes ? Radical ? Evolution ,accomplished ? Opponents ?

Use each kind of network-national and international, probably also national/international award/prize competitions ofered on these theme and
to get right adresses and responsible people the search machines

And not forget the organized church communities.

By my best regard
                             OCWdL


p.s.: who invented for the first time an/the Auto-mobil ?
        Formosa, a dutch clerical scientist,17th century : "ecce DAS AUTO" ::)


p.s.II: heat-engine like heat-pump which here in Portugal is denominated as 
          "bomba(pump) de calor(calorie/heat)",
          probably the policeman (natural from where  ?)misunderstood
           your explaination ??? :o 8)
« Last Edit: October 23, 2013, 03:24:28 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2013, 03:45:54 AM »
Hello  lancaIV
Wise words about the ICE cliché.
We approach all ICE, however they do have a commercial problem in going into competition to their own product.
DaS Energy focus is more to bringing the knowledge than seeking profit yet not oppose those seeking to profit.   
The race to Carbon parts per million for human asphyxiation by Coal burning has struck a hurdle. Our focus is Australia and Steam. Though put out there to the world.
PM Rudd banned CSIRO Australia from having further discussion with us without his specific consent.
Since DaS going public at Copenhagen. China and North Korea have invested heavily in CO2. China 100,000 10KW ground heat CO2 turbine per year. North Korea worlds biggest CO2 plant.
Since the election of PM Rudd Australian Government focus has been to retain Coal, however the new government has reversed that and is ridding of the Carbon Tax that served only to prevent any power station from affording to convert. Government now intends to reverse its funding to part time power, ridding of that obstruction.
Any steam or gas line may be tapped without effect other than two hydro turbine come on line. A fives times increase in power output without increase of Coal load/Carbon. (Two 82% efficient hydro and one 30% efficient Steam)
This is done with DaS Hydro/Steam. Prior post?
Alternate is CO2 turbine taking the waste heat out of the chimney. Steam +600*C makes 350 megawatts. Waste heat is +600*C. For +100*C of that waste heat CO2 is producing 17,500 megawatts. (200 bar – 350 megawatts. Steam 200 bar at +600*C. CO2 10,000 bar at +100*C) This is done by DaS turbine. Prior post?
Carnot attached is the taking of heat from the Condenser immersed in water and allowing it to rise to the boiler, while the cold of the condenser keeps the lower water cold. This thermocline recycles all heat barring that which can escape confinement. 
Best regards,
Peter
 

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2013, 09:16:42 AM »

Hello Peter,
                   ....... invested in CO2....... Why not ?
                                   But how ?               

There is also an existance from a CO2-transformation industry like you give as example R744-gas-"producer".

Cooperation with them !?   For example Air-Liquide/Linde/Oxygen.


To catch with an air/CO2-fluid medium machine -to many ppm-  CO2 and producing
"CO2-remixed-to-fuel" :  http://www.egm-international.com/ !

Combining CO2-riched water ( also for plants growth) with www.coolplanet.com biofuels or similar concepts ?
Catching the water-aerosols by dehumidifying machines ? In deserts ?
For drinkwater ?Soil-drop-watering ?

Your concept represent two counterflowing streams(Gegenstrom) crossing one turbine o+o= to the  eternity symbol meaning :Unendlich,Ewig,Forever
 
   the 365 zenit suns (per day ) position points fixed from a fixed earth  point view
                 devolving us an :   8    :          symbol   


      misused:    clerical"Acht/ :Aight/Eight "(vogelfrei,"Acht geben,A(e)cht-ung,Verachtung,Bulle)


      mechanics: Sonnen-/Planeten-Rad/gear : AUTO-     MATIK Gear/Getriebe
                                                                        per se

Sincerely
              CdL 


p.s.: AUTO-related:https://www.google.de/search?q=hydrodynamische+paradoxon&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=idVoUsvoLo6ThQexsoDQAg&ved=0CEQQsAQ&biw=800&bih=455


http://www.weltbild.de/3/18252209-1/buch/absurde-physik.html
absurd and        paradox                   physical/Physics Welt/World/mundo
                     against the laws,
                           really ?

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_von_Weizs%C3%A4cker
                                        an above extract


 Theory of ur-alternatives[edit]Weizsäcker developed the theory of ur-alternatives (archetypal objects), publicized in his book Einheit der Natur (literal translation Oneness of Nature, 1971)[21] and further developed through the 1990s.[22][23] The theory axiomatically constructs quantum physics from the distinction between empirically observable, binary alternatives. Weizsäcker used his theory, a form of digital physics, to derive the 3-dimensionality of space and to estimate the entropy of a proton falling into a black hole.


                          what a mess in english you get less


     the same from the german wikipedia ( I recomment this to translate ! ):

Interpretation der Quantenphysik[Bearbeiten]Über philosophische Aspekte der Quantentheorie arbeitete v. Weizsäcker seit 1931. Die Ergebnisse seiner frühen Überlegungen erschienen 1943 in "Zum Weltbild der Physik" (letzte geänderte Ausgabe 1957). Ein Schritt im Hintergrund war eine Arbeit zum Zweiten Hauptsatz der Thermodynamik (1939), die die besondere Rolle der Zeit für das Denken v. Weizsäckers klärte.[7] 1954 stellte er drei Hypothesen auf, deren Ausarbeitung seine physikalische Arbeit der nächsten 30 Jahre bestimmen sollen:[8]Der Kern der Quantentheorie ist eine nichtklassische Logik.[/li]
[li]Die Anwendung dieser Logik auf ihre eigenen Aussagen definiert das Verfahren der sogenannten zweiten und mehrfachen Quantelung.[/li]
[li]Die Anwendung dieses Verfahrens auf die formal einfachste mögliche Frage, die binäre Alternative, gibt eine quantentheorethische Erklärung der Dreidimensionalität des Ortsraums(sowie der relativistischen Raum-Zeit-Struktur und der relativistischen Quantenfeldtheorie) ("Ur-Hypothese").[/li]
[li]Einen ersten Abschluss erreichte er 1958 zusammen mit Erhard Scheibe und Georg Süßmann. Insbesondere gelang es auf Grundlage der Ur-Hypothese, die kräftefreie Quantenfeldtheorie axiomatisch zu rekonstruieren. Über zehn Jahre sollten dann vergehen, ehe mit der Aufsatzsammlung "Die Einheit der Natur" (1971) ein "Zwischenbericht" der Fortschritte vorgelegt wurde. Hier führt er die Idee weiter, die Quantenphysik axiomatisch aus der Unterscheidung empirisch entscheidbarer „Ur-Alternativen“ aufzubauen.[9] Insgesamt wurden von v. Weizsäcker bzw. den Mitgliedern seiner Arbeitsgruppe vier Rekonstruktionen der abstrakten Quantentheorie entwickelt, u.a. von Michael Drieschner.[10] Auf dieser Grundlage gelingt es Weizsäcker in Zusammenarbeit mit Thomas Görnitz, die Größenordnung der Entropie abzuschätzen, die frei wird, wenn ein Proton in ein Schwarzes Lochstürzt.[/size]
Nach seiner Emeritierung entstanden die beiden, eng aufeinander bezogenen Hauptwerke Aufbau der Physik und Zeit und Wissen.

                    2nd law of thermodynamics to a G.U.T-theorem
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                                digitize Quantum philosophy:

                           GOD : per qual definicione
                                      (G)OD spoken OZ         D~S/Z
                                      GOD spoken GOSh/JOS/YOS/IOS  The outer/inner Voice
                                      EL AL/La(h) as wings engel/angels rassul
                                      as tree Yoshua/Gilgamesch/arbor-iginie/tribe/Stamm
 
                                                all in one and one in all


                                                   deus-deuce-unity
 
                                                      O,meu Deus !
                                                          Oxal(l)a !           (fatum,destination) 
                                                   DS(Deusa),ja vou !

                                                           (k)is me t   
 
                                                        in K.I.S.S. telex


                                             attention:  irony included ! ::)

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                                      Living like DS in France ;)
                                                      ecce DS
                                              by french ingeniuity
                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_DS

                                                now with DaS Engine  ?
                             But at first as Hybrid-kit power source

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19921224&CC=DE&NR=4128297C1&KC=C1

                                                in "open sky" version:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Citroen_DS21_Cabriolet_ca_1967.jpg/220px-Citroen_DS21_Cabriolet_ca_1967.jpg)


           then throwing out the ice and get an urban-city-hybrid-car
                                      (up to 55miles-limit)

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001207&CC=DE&NR=10011074A1&KC=A1


               and finally with Solar/Planetary-amplifier-gear appliance


http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001020&CC=FR&NR=2792258A1&KC=A1


                                     sufficient  :free power
                                    by applied science laws




more details from institutions like:
 
     R        Max-Planck -Institute:                      Physik-Grundlagen-Forschung
    &D      Frauenhofer-Institute: angewandte Physik-                   -Forschung
           


                                          Theory&Practizising
                                                     like
                                          http://gigadron.com/


                                          for intentions like this
                                  http://www.planetaryrenewal.org/


                                sometimes under hard-cor-e project
                             http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Man
                                           Fest-ival
                             
                                 from Black Rock to the Ayers Rock       
« Last Edit: October 24, 2013, 06:33:04 PM by lancaIV »


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Re: Free Power
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2013, 02:42:32 AM »
 Hello lancaIV,
 
Our approach is firstly to civil uptake, commencing with coal burning power stations.
Rising Carbon parts per million shall not leave it a civil choice to convert to less Carbon emission. Twin hydro turbines are addition to the existing steam turbine. The world has no cheaper energy conversion source.
 
To assist coal power stations in converting to cleaner cheaper power, ground heat CO2 is a very real option at no running cost to the purchaser.
 
Fridge are engineers most impressed with -10* preheat freezer, -2*C preheat fridge, followed by +20*C room temperature power generation. We also have had good reward from Rheem Australia hot water, using their water heat to power up the CO2 drive.
 
DaS Energy focus is on these mainstream Australians, though we do openly encourage others to take freely for themselves and progress at their choice and profit.
 
You personally exhibit a greater knowledge to the field than we. We are observers and take our observations of different actions and combine into something different. Leaving us knowing the end result, but not knowing the market educated terms for all which is happening.
 
Our much thanks for your interest goes with our continued assistance to yourself should you seek further involvement.
 
Sincerely
 
Peter

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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2013, 01:30:44 PM »
Peter,at first -probably an intention misleading by syntax error:
#18:                    not      -to many ppm-
                            now the correction and the based mention :

                             -too many ppm(parts per million)-

            My faught/fault/falta,I cuse me and exspect your excuse!


When I wrote "trust" meaning Trust/Konzern(concertation) I feel that you wish a greater audience to your/your team intentions but then you have also to understand that you have to try not only one time-several times- to knock on the right door to become invited

               Rotary/Lions Club  idea representation and object demonstration ?


Inviting building/shipyard/construction companies and represent
or demonstrating the idea during their annual association congress ?!
                With a micro/medio/macro physical modell !


               And let they dream : also about personal richdom !
                        ( The little Prince : Saint-Exupery )
                      of i(m)material and material kind and matter
                        This can be a tool for them and for you.

You and also I ( each of your/our family/friends/comercial partners/investors) have a 24 hour day with several time-schedule objects or obligations,

so let your idea coming out on the right place-by the right time-
by object effect interested people :

you as they have ( also with "visit cards"-counter-changing ) to move to concentrate all the interests together and then to let growh up the "invention" !

                     This is the "Trust by own trust and confidential faith"
                                         Communion confirmation ! (clerical)

See the idea as germ/semen : where is the best soil ? When is the right time to
bring it out (climate/atmospheric  conditions !Happyness !)


Probably the first interest will also be from outer-Australia,accept it and make it like the "homo australicus": go out but also go back to home-ever you want !       


                         As human/vacation-journey or by video-conference   
                         Dream become reality  : your turn and journ                     

                         No interest or under which condition ?
                     Green Party ? Green NGOs ? Social NGOs ?
                           X-Prize or similar competitions ?
                                           Media-Focus


  Shipyard like "Papenburger Mayer-Werft" ,building the world greatest cruisader/
 cruiser : MW-level ? Delivering the Navy(ies) ?


"cheap/cheapiest stream energy to electricty conversion":

 Thomas Cosby 500US$/KW(KVA) as 10KW(KVA) product market price estimation

 gigadron -80% less: price base ?

 aveurope.net energy converter :350US$/KW demonstrating modell costs
http://aveuropa.net/index.php/the-energy-converter

 e-Generator from Russia: 200/100US$/KVA (market/production price ?)
 http://www.ntpo.com/techno/techno2_2/26.shtml

              common netto(liquid before tax) average (small/big)
              prodution costs/market price relation       30/100

               BOS: Build Operate Sell  gives the answer
                                     q.e.d.
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I received today a postal letter from a tribunal to give my testemonials .

This has been my idea,the exploring from an e-generator,the object from a constituted society and this object - the prototpe technique,paid by other investors which have had with me a cooperation:SGVR, -been robbed.

Built were three demonstration model(l)s by them:
 40KVA each model(l ) 7500 Euros (SCRATCH AND NEW PARTS)
One is in hands of the SGVR.

Process object value: 5000 Euros for each day since 2009

Now I shall be the testimonial for the "dealer" !?
Yes,I will tell the story about the
ENERCIENCIA-  EMFORCA- ENVEZ  -societies and the "integer" people.

                   Robbery,lies,pressure in each kind
and cause this finally a financial and temporal misinvestment for all who had only                                    "money,money,money....." in mention !

For me the importance : the machine-technology has been technical/physical patent awarded - against the written laws understandings by others
                                  -unfailable-peers !


    Dr.Pavel Imris was needed as "springboard" but he also finally failed !

    But I have not been surprised :

    german Kienbaum-Consultance study(198X?) about "inventory" observed by           more than 500 middle/great companies and their stuff/stall workpower result  :
    from  1142         ( outed )ideas
               376         became boardprojects
               176         entered the market
               1xx          losts/left market
                 22         return of investment
                 11         became a financial success

    Using the McKinsey-Consultance -"management work net value" formula ?

   Also the work from Alvin Toffler and Amory Lovins(Rocky Mountains Institute)
   Hoimar von Ditfurth influenced my behaviour and how to see our social world
  comparing with the comercial world.
  Predictions or Outlook :" Yes or No future !" based by science fundamentals.
 
   Most impressed me in Faith Popcorns REPORT 1990
http://books.google.pt/books/about/The_Popcorn_Report.html?id=s_bf8l6fJckC&redir_esc=y
not really the "brainstorm" or "cocooning" but how she descripted the behaviour how her grandparents made the shop-work change,he -the grandfather coming the shop stairs down-and she-the grandmother going the shop-stairs up -without comment :
       their little "work"world perfect and with faith and trust on each other!
                               Probably for some: boring !
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Re: Free Power
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2013, 02:42:28 AM »
Hello lancaIV,
Thank you for your most informative reply.
You are correct we are expanding our audience.
To this end we now generally speak to those on the web.
That we post is open for copy and modification, yet we still have to get it out there.
The two companies that took our work have a more specific focus than us, they are commercial realist while we just develop new technology for Carbon reduction.
By keeping all thing Home Build we provide a cheap and successful way to change things for the better.  All people rich or poor are longer confined to what the market shall bring to them, but can make for themselves.
I have attached the last of our stocks for the moment. What makes this one especially interesting is the multiple times the energy is reused without any loss of its force. 
Sincerely yours,
Peter

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2013, 02:42:28 AM »
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Re: Free Power
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2013, 02:52:06 AM »
Hi, I have posted this elsewhere on this site as well, I realise it's unrelated, but I'd like to know how this works. If you could please help me post it in the appropriate place? Someone may have an opinion. I'm new to this and don't know my way around here.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3I2zeoUbzg

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2013, 09:44:41 AM »
Venturi,thermodynamic cycle and a t(h)ermosyphon cascade !
Combining all free dynamics forces !


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http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=US&NR=2855860A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19581014&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP


I mean to understand your concept !


With my best regard
                                CdL


E.L.S.A. https://web.archive.org/web/20040613021330/http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/forsale/plans/elsa/ELSA.htm


for entertainment:
Elsa ( german sinical comedian,germans in your neighbourhood can probably translate it)
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/8497157/Dieter_Hallervorden_Die_Kuh_Elsa
                                   
                                                       Finally:
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo


post script:

Here you will find also Thomas Cosby as reference,cited documents:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820105&CC=US&NR=4309619A&KC=A



cited documents from the above cited ITA-Tacchi Victorio :
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=4110986A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=4&date=19780905&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

Applicator ? 1981

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=5&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19810526&CC=US&NR=4269040A&KC=A
It is an advantage of the compact structure of the described preferred embodiment that is is free from sealing problems, since the moving components within the housing 16 need not be accessible from the outside during operation, because the energy required for driving the expander, the compressor and the liquid pump are directly derived from the heat-carrying medium circulating within the system.[/font]
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Re: Free Power
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2013, 11:37:49 PM »

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2013, 03:30:37 AM »
Hello IancalIV
Just done a review of my posts. I drifted away from using refrigerant and started mentioning steam.
The steam postings work just as well using a refrigerant. gas.
The simplest we have is home made and copies the absorption fridge cooling, hence no compressor.
The drive force is the pressure between the gas cold and hot.
The hot refrigerant gas cant get to the cooling of the expansion chamber without first moving the water past a hydro turbine.
The water return drives all the hot refrigerant from the lower system creates then leaves a vacuum behind it as it refills the bottom system. This vacuum fill with Cold refrigerant.
It only has one moving part so is very easy home build
Regards
Peter
 

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2013, 05:50:34 PM »
Thank you ,Peter
this is related to this person and theme http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Clausius .
                                                                          2nd law of thermodynamics


steam is boiling point dependant and the boiling point is compression (evacuation)
dependant
 (f.e. the ambiental difference between the valley Shangrila and the Himalaya-peaks)l


I think that you know the compressor-machine-less thermodynamic cycle in kind of the 
                          thermo/thermal-syphon dynamic engine
                        using one of the Paradox(on)-phenomens
                          in-fluence (fluere/flowing/streaming)-d
                by the turbulent/serpendicular(serpens=cobra=snake)
                                  capillary force (co-/ad/-haesion)


                           Compare with the ion-gas(~electricity)  LC-tank circuit !


It is clear that seriell you get the 1/2/3/...cylinder aequivalent "ic-motor"engine
and for power compressing (W/qcm) intentions you will have to envelop this
ambiental compression engine with an artificial higher compressed ambient sphere
like
                    the box(er engine)-in-a-compressed box-in-a-compressed box-........


I hope you understand my given scheme/schemata.
http://www.cofely-refrigeration.de/de/loesungen/produkte/Quantum/thermosyphon.html
the principle also shown in my
 "dtv-Atlas Physik Band1 /or Band2" do not know exactly which !
http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/342303226X/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0


http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/3423032278/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_1?ie=UTF8&index=1


bought in the final 80's from the last century during my intentions to get my Abitur/
Matura degree.
(This intention finally failed.So I have only officially Realschule-degree
(10.Klaessler +6.year entrance~16year old boy) ).

Sincerely
              CdL


p.s.: with 16 years I lived in the NewAge/NovaEra decade,80', besides learning
also many happy hours and listen the A-side(comercial hit) but also B-side(personal hit) from Singles and LP's :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2ZTdDTd9q0  minute 2.46-


other vortex power plants examples http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yrf0QQao2A
probably inspiring


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Re: Free Power
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2013, 06:19:34 AM »
Hello  IancalIV
Thank you for your post.   I have to get translation for the most part, but the video rang home for me, born into nature and raised by dogs   I too see so much from nature, and not being educated don't try to do things the complicated way educated people do.  The irony of it all I guess is natures CO2 can do all and more despite our fancy ways using everything else but the most efficient and powerful force on the Earth.  You can heat water from +100*C to +600*C and get  2840 PSI of force, or you can heat CO2 from +30*C to +100*C and 142,000 PSI of force.  Then of course one can get as stupid as possible and heat air to +12000*C for 71 PSI of force using a Diesel engine.

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2014, 05:40:48 PM »
Hello lancaIV,
 
Our approach is firstly to civil uptake, commencing with coal burning power stations.
Rising Carbon parts per million shall not leave it a civil choice to convert to less Carbon emission. Twin hydro turbines are addition to the existing steam turbine. The world has no cheaper energy conversion source.
 
To assist coal power stations in converting to cleaner cheaper power, ground heat CO2 is a very real option at no running cost to the purchaser.
 
Fridge are engineers most impressed with -10* preheat freezer, -2*C preheat fridge, followed by +20*C room temperature power generation. We also have had good reward from Rheem Australia hot water, using their water heat to power up the CO2 drive.
 
DaS Energy focus is on these mainstream Australians, though we do openly encourage others to take freely for themselves and progress at their choice and profit.
 
You personally exhibit a greater knowledge to the field than we. We are observers and take our observations of different actions and combine into something different. Leaving us knowing the end result, but not knowing the market educated terms for all which is happening.
 
Our much thanks for your interest goes with our continued assistance to yourself should you seek further involvement.
 
Sincerely
 
Peter

Hello Lance,

Our apologies we made mention of a system refrigeration engineers only comment was will work on any gas. We did not post its attachment, which unfortunately is now on old hard drive, however the attached sets out the process, with only difference being the compressor/pump fist moves the cold refrigerant to freezer -10*C to pick up heat, then to a fridge +2*C to pick up heat, then to room temperature +20*C for final heat pick up before passing through the turbine.

Again our apologies for non inclusion.

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2014, 03:51:11 AM »
Not prior posted. Found on old hard drive.
Non compressor, DaS Valve, CO2 turbine.
Heater needs be above -30*C. Heat from any source.
Heat causing the cold CO2 in the heater to expand provides force to the water which in turn drives a hydro turbine. The exit water from the turbine is stored in a receiver tank until the DaS Valve acts to let the hot CO2 into the cooling chamber. At this point water from the holding tank begins its travel back to refill the DaS Valve. The hot CO2 in the heater is driven out by inflow of cold CO2.

This system provides a pulse energy and two need be coupled for continuous motion of the turbine.

However be aware that successive Australian Governments refuse to provide permission for the DaS Valve to be used in Australia. The lessening of Coal burning and Carbon pollution and high power prices, the Australian Governments full on opposes. Despite the DaS Valve being handed over as gift to the Australian people in the years before it went free to the World to copy.

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