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Offline DaS Energy

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Free Power
« on: August 24, 2013, 12:12:46 PM »
All fridge have first purpose to chill the refrigerant. Warming a refrigerant provides an expansion force. Turbine with shaft pump first takes the forces of the expanding refrigerant to drive the turbine. On escape from the turbine the refrigerant chills. After chilling it is pumped back into the boiler.  Ground heating from -40*C up is sufficient heat for operation.

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2013, 01:59:21 PM »
All fridge have first purpose to chill the refrigerant. Warming a refrigerant provides an expansion force. Turbine with shaft pump first takes the forces of the expanding refrigerant to drive the turbine. On escape from the turbine the refrigerant chills. After chilling it is pumped back into the boiler.  Ground heating from -40*C up is sufficient heat for operation.

Except that this concept runs headlong into the 2nd Law of thermodynamics whether you like to admit it or not.   If you had a 'ground heat' reservoir at -40 then you better hope you have a sink at a lower temperature than this for the concept to work at all. It does not

I'd suggest your -40 heat reservoir is far more likely to be the low temperature sink rather than the source, and then yes it would work in the opposite direction in most temperate climates. Good luck on finding that - 40 C heat sink.



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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2013, 03:53:49 PM »
Same workings as all absorption  fridge, hot high pressure gas turns cold liquid at choke point. Replicated by turbine. You have one second to achieve a heat intake. Ist law of physics Einstein -high pressure-not pressure loses heat! CO2 preceded Ammonia as a  Refrigerant. 2002 NASA and DaS Energy published to its come back! It not a posted therom! It steam low pressure home made, outmoded in gas  turbine CO2. It require shaft be machined!

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2013, 03:57:44 PM »
Sorry a PS if I may -40C is flash point of dry-ice to gas. liquid comes later. More workable is -10*C up.


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Re: Free Power
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2013, 05:45:59 AM »
"I'd suggest your -40 heat reservoir is far more likely to be the low temperature sink rather than the source" No, the cold sink is lower than -40*C without that no heat expansion occurs at -40*C.
The cold sink being lower temperature than the heat temperature for gas expansion must always occur if the mechanism to operate.

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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2013, 05:45:59 AM »
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Re: Free Power
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2013, 12:44:37 PM »
Except that this concept runs headlong into the 2nd Law of thermodynamics whether you like to admit it or not.   If you had a 'ground heat' reservoir at -40 then you better hope you have a sink at a lower temperature than this for the concept to work at all. It does not

I'd suggest your -40 heat reservoir is far more likely to be the low temperature sink rather than the source, and then yes it would work in the opposite direction in most temperate climates. Good luck on finding that - 40 C heat sink.
Hello LibreEnergia,
Late reply. Your good luck on finding temperatures below -40*C while gratefully received is not needed given the many and varied locations of people habitat where temperatures are -50*C and below.

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2013, 11:37:57 PM »
@Das Energy
Any ORC setup will do better.
With any refrigerant, different temperature means pressure difference- this is understood.
The key is a proper expander.
Any positive displacement machine will be good- scroll, screw and even vane.


Regards,
Pix


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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2013, 11:37:57 PM »
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Re: Free Power
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2013, 01:00:10 AM »
ORC ?

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2013, 08:41:34 AM »
ORC ?


Hi Ds Energy,
Organic Rankine Cycle.


Cheers,
Pix

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2013, 09:01:01 AM »
Hello Pix,
Thank you. Organic Rankin Cycle.
"Geothermic heat sources vary in temperature from 50 to 350°C. The ORC is therefore perfectly adapted for this kind of application. However, it is important to keep in mind that for low-temperature geothermal sources (typically less than 100°C), the efficiency is very low and depends strongly on heat sink temperature (defined by the ambient temperature)."
DaS Energy employs an 82% hydro efficient turbine. Other energy loss be the friction of the water against the casings. It highly efficient at temperatures below +100*C. In fact its highest heat is +100*C.
Do you know of which if any ORC that employ a hydro turbine?
Regards DaS Energy
 

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2013, 05:39:52 PM »
http://www.world-wire.com/news/0401040001.html


Probably a good project partner,a Grand in the  age  of +/- 85 if he is alive !
I discussed with him during 2000-2002 by phone-calling.
(http://www.death-record.com/d/n/Thomas-Cosby/Illinois ? )

http://books.google.pt/books/about/Development_of_the_Steam_Engine_and_Resu.html?id=5eWXtgAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&IN=thomas+cosby&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=thomas+cosby   5.- 16.


https://web.archive.org/web/20090723041005/http://us.geocities.com/cosbytech/
Extract:
              AND the end result will be greater savings.All public buildings. high-rises, schools, remote facilities, shopping malls, and small communities can have their own electric plant. The undeveloped world will be spared the expense of stringing hundreds of miles and thousands of pounds of copper wire between central plants and users. The unit for a police station, school or McDonald"s restaurant could fit into a closet. Air and thermal pollution will be reduced to the minimum.


                  I have a dream that .......


Mr. Thomas Cosbys comercial price estimation for a 10 KVA power plant -in mass production- has been 5000US$.




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Re: Free Power
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2013, 01:15:35 AM »
Hello LancalV,
We like what you write and we would throw our hat in the ring for such an event.
Either cyclic or compressor a 14 litre system at 60 RPM  provides 10KW at any temperature above -40*C.  As the temperature increase the litre volume decreases.
Power calculation is one litre per second water at 9 bar pressure makes 720 watts.
Regards
DaS Energy


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Re: Free Power
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2013, 08:57:42 AM »
This died german inventor informed about an especial carbon dioxid gas/liquid
temperature related behaviour and gives several examples of heat-to-kinetic force
machines [(I have had with his son a phone-call and he told me that there would be a
prototype but he wished to get theretimes 42.000DM for a "handfull" machine model(l)].
Wilhelm Haeberle donated,it is written in his papers,,his findings to the world,
feeling his death coming.


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Re: Free Power
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2013, 10:07:12 AM »
Hello IancaIV,
Wow, thank you. We had no Idea of him.We know knowing of shall make a study of the mans works.  Any assistance or help back we most happy to provide. We began posting in 2002 and did all development work ourselves.  We donated as gift to the Australian people in 2007. Our use of CO2 is both turbine and piston. At all times keeping it home build construction. Our purpose is to lower the Carbon in the sealed jar before we all asphyxiate.  CO2 at +50*C and no Carbon replaces +600*C Steam and 240 tonne of Coal/Carbon per hour making 350 megawatts of electricity.   

Best Regards
Peter for DaS Energy

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Re: Free Power
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2013, 10:18:50 AM »
Were you inspired by the "Fisher engine"?


Sincerley
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