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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 963842 times)

Offline a.king21

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #60 on: August 19, 2013, 05:59:14 AM »
No-one on this thread is claiming the device works, but I disagree with the idea that it cannot work. I know Melnychenko (who Kapanadze states on occasions as being close) has a patent which I machine translated.
The gist of Melnychenko's patent is that a  transmitted signal  picks up static from the earth's electromagnetic field and this has a FE effect. Well, the  L1 of a transformer is also a transmitter, so I can see the possibility of a new source of energy. Nothing OU about it just FE, which is just as good.  OU is impossible, because you can't have more than 100%  of anything by definition.
Kapanadze also told me that his secret is "so simple you will laugh" (and then he cheated me and my partners, of course.) The Barbosa stuff qualifies as a suitable effect to substantiate Kapanadze's comment.
Even if something does not work, it is worth posting, because it saves useless "replication attempt" time.
Science takes no sides. It's just science.
And remember, we only have to be right ONCE!

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #61 on: August 19, 2013, 06:04:14 AM »

If you know the answer, then why don't you tell us. And what has this to do with the simple electron trap from the earth?

It has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.

Figure it out.  It is not hard!

Cheers,

Bruce


Offline MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #62 on: August 19, 2013, 06:30:21 AM »
"Energy from the ground" is a common misconception that comes around every now and then.  Even the notion that a supply of electrons from the ground "supplies the current" for the "extra power" in the circuit does not even make any sense.

No circuit needs electrons from the ground to support higher currents, none!  All circuits are closed-loops that the current circulates through.  Connecting a "ground pipe" to the circuit will do nothing.

Here is the crux of the matter:  Somewhere in the circuit there has to be a mechanism to up the pressure (voltage) to get the current to flow.  That device that ups the pressure needs a power source to run.  Any connection to the ground is not a power source in any way, nor is it even needed as explained above.

So, you are back to the question:  Where is the power source that feeds the device in the circuit that ups the pressure to create the current flow?  Somewhere in the circuit the voltage goes up, and that device that ups the voltage does not do it like "magic," there has to be some kind of mechanism that takes some form of supplied power and converts that into the upping of the voltage.

There is "pump" somewhere in the circuit to make the current flow, there simply has to be.  Where is it and what is it?  What kind of power source connects to the "pump" and where does the power come from?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #63 on: August 19, 2013, 06:34:38 AM »
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It has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.

If by the "electron trap" you mean the ground connection, that's a non-starter, see my previous posting.

We are all waiting for you to spill the beans Bruce.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #64 on: August 19, 2013, 09:50:46 AM »
It has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.

Figure it out.  It is not hard!

Cheers,

Bruce


Figure it out huh? You are the one supposed to have assembled a OU device (called TPU) and solved the energy problem?
Now you give hints and tips?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #64 on: August 19, 2013, 09:50:46 AM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #65 on: August 19, 2013, 10:20:26 AM »
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not  because ground electrons  have no energy. They have a lot.  Another point is misconception of ground  ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details).  Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #66 on: August 19, 2013, 10:49:21 AM »
Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't.  It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?

Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_  actually see performed.
If wire conected to ground, not looped, then if energy going from ground, then input must also curent be not 0.1 A, but if load use let say 10 amps, then and input curent must be 12-10 amps, but not 0.1 amps.
Если даже земляной провод не обкручен, а с медью соединён со 4 проводом, том несколько витков толстым, высокоамперным, всё равно тогда получаеться что ток идёт напрямую от фазы с землёй, но тогда токовые клещи бы и должны показать 10-20 ампер, сколько там нагрузка, а не 0,1 ампер. Но нужно оба провода выходные из розетки проверить и если у обоих будет около 0,1 ампер, а нагрузка будет 1 киловатт к примеру, то уже есть свободная энергия и не важно, повторяюсь идёт ли к земле напрямую или нет, да это в какой-то мере не честно, но это всё равно мизер эта нечестносьт, потому что такого не должно быть даже если это нечестно.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #67 on: August 19, 2013, 11:01:17 AM »
How I understand output is 26 amps and 220 volts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q 2:34. It 5720 watts. Input is 22 watts.
But it only meashure neutral 0.1 A. 2:54
 He must measure and fase. Blue wire usualy is neutral. If in fase be 26-27 amps, then it means that were no free energy. Если он бы померил не неутраль, а фазу и там будет 26 ампер, тогда тут нет свободной энергии.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #68 on: August 19, 2013, 11:13:38 AM »
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not  because ground electrons  have no energy. They have a lot.  Another point is misconception of ground  ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details).  Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)


The  frenchman discovered Kapanadze method for lighing lamps? In other words, talking, showing junk and use of a ground wire?
OMG, i must go in business with those setups. It seems to be plenty of fools around. I guess my first steps would be to get viewers and then followers!


ops... i compromised my plan!


ps: seems i have too much free time since in vocations :P

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #69 on: August 19, 2013, 07:22:26 PM »
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not  because ground electrons  have no energy. They have a lot.  Another point is misconception of ground  ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details).  Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)

I am sure that fabrice andre does not understand electronics ... so it is a scam ... or
it is the device of another guy and so : it could be "the closest to the answer"

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #70 on: August 20, 2013, 12:04:21 AM »
Fabrice Andre knows the answer , which doesn't mean he has a working device (which I do not know). Just watch video and read carefully.  Simple scientific fact is used...which is the most  scientifically avoided task for research (they knew the answer and cover it ???!!!)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #71 on: August 20, 2013, 12:26:31 AM »
This link to WO2013104041 Electromagnetic device for capturing free space electrons to generate electricity  seems to be a much more complete description with better drawings than the WO2013104042 A1 link.  (Click on the options to translate to your language).

Thanks zeitsmachine for the link,

Liberty


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #72 on: August 20, 2013, 07:45:08 AM »
Fabrice Andre knows the answer , which doesn't mean he has a working device (which I do not know). Just watch video and read carefully.  Simple scientific fact is used...which is the most  scientifically avoided task for research (they knew the answer and cover it ??? !!!)

do you speak french ? do you speak with fabrice andre ?
fabrice has no answear  , he is speaking and speaking ... and nothing !
he said to open the device ... but nothing and nothing
so what are you waiting for ?

after 100 lectures with FA , what do you learned ? nothing !!

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #73 on: August 20, 2013, 05:33:36 PM »
No, we need to see lab coats.  Without lab coats there is no credibility at all.  That's just the way it is.

And the lab coats must feature some dirt. If it's too sober it looks like fake, and if it's too messy, it looks like a hobbyist who is sloppy in his  experiments (and therefore mostly a non working device).


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2013, 02:26:13 AM »
Is there ANYBODY that can post a SCHEMATIC or Circuit Diagram about this circuit??


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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