Cookies-law

Cookies help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
http://www.overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please leave this website now. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

Poplamp

poplamp

CCTool

CCTool

LEDTVforSale

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

OverUnity Book

overunity principles book

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

movieclipsfree

movie clips free

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Statistics

  • *Total Members: 81721
  • *Latest: John1322

  • *Total Posts: 485538
  • *Total Topics: 14274
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 8
  • *Guests: 183
  • *Total: 191

Facebook

Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 981009 times)

Offline a.king21

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1410
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2013, 09:09:46 PM »
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?
Look in Patrick Kelly's latest e-book update
Just startpage:  Patrick Kelly free energy

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy


Offline hanon

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 612
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2013, 09:33:50 PM »
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w

Regards


Offline Pirate88179

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 8362
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2013, 10:14:27 PM »
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w

Regards

Here is a translation of the video info from Youtube:

"Theory about the captor Electron Earth.
Well folks another little evolution in the sensor circuit. I got close to 400 AP put without voltage, current flows u can feel the vibration in the fingers and heats up very fast in short, when you add another inductor to give this current flow suddenly boom! Appears tension with chain and lights the Lamp! Logical that my last inductor can handle only 200 mA output, so I can not use high loads. This is my next challenge. Thanks for everybody who signed up on my channel and give me some support. Thank you!"

Bill

Offline e2matrix

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1751
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2013, 11:17:15 PM »
Was it TK that wanted suits and ties?   If it will make you feel better here you go:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo
Well suits and one tie any way ....   and a bit more measuring equipment   ;)


Offline e2matrix

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1751
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2013, 11:20:31 PM »
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?
This link is Patrick Kelly's latest Appendix 3 which has a translation of the patent:  http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Appendix3.pdf


Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2013, 11:20:31 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline Pirate88179

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 8362
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2013, 11:44:38 PM »
Was it TK that wanted suits and ties?   If it will make you feel better here you go:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo
Well suits and one tie any way ....   and a bit more measuring equipment   ;)

No, we need to see lab coats.  Without lab coats there is no credibility at all.  That's just the way it is.

Bill

Offline hanon

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 612
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #51 on: August 19, 2013, 02:18:52 AM »
From this link: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html   the description about patent WO2013104042 :

"The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction.  With this arrangement, the current circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, increasing the current flow there by a major amount.  Wire 3 (input) can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4 (output), but understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result of the current in wire 3".
« Last Edit: August 19, 2013, 11:46:43 AM by hanon »

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #51 on: August 19, 2013, 02:18:52 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline TinselKoala

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13400
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2013, 02:25:15 AM »
Forget the suits and ties. I want to see the "1000 amp" circuit blow a 100 Amp fuse.

Offline TinselKoala

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13400
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2013, 02:31:10 AM »
From this link: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html   the description from the patent:

The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction.  With this arrangement, the current circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, augmenting the current flow there by a major amount.  Wire 3 can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4, but please understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result of the current in wire 3.

Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't.  It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?

Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_  actually see performed.

Offline a.king21

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1410
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2013, 02:44:14 AM »
Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't.  It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?

Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_  actually see performed.
Well this is the crux of the whole patent. They claim to have found a new effect. So you should be quite capable of disproving this yourself and putting out a video. - Seeing as you are KING of the nay-sayers. So prove to us all that it doesn't work !
Will you?

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2013, 02:44:14 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline TinselKoala

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13400
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2013, 03:26:31 AM »
Well this is the crux of the whole patent. They claim to have found a new effect. So you should be quite capable of disproving this yourself and putting out a video. - Seeing as you are KING of the nay-sayers. So prove to us all that it doesn't work !
Will you?

No! I don't claim the effect, I don't know how to make it, my failure would prove nothing! And I know enough about the subject matter to know that the explanation given is bogus under our present knowledge. So it does no good at all for me to try anything at this point, except to try to get people to think a little bit.
I have indeed worked with real kiloampere currents, and I have indeed seen devices powered by groundloops involving Earth grounds and a phase of the mains supply. So I am proposing a couple of simple tests _that can only be done by someone who has such a device that "works"_ that would demonstrate the correctness of the claims.

Is this really so difficult for you to understand?  It is in no sense required that a skeptic prove the device wrong.... what is required is for the claimant to prove that the device is _not_ wrong. I don't believe the meter readings are accurate because of my prior experience with meters and with high currents and with oscillating currents, so I am asking for a more believable test: Blow a 100 amp fuse with the "1000 amp current". How unreasonable is that?
And I have seen deliberate and inadvertent cases where mains power leaked into a circuit through a "ground wire". In this case it is supposed to be leaking in that way, through an "inductive connection" but the sketch shows a single turn. Once again, because I have some little experience with inductive power transfer, I don't believe it, so I am giving the claimant a simple and easy couple of experiments that would go a long way towards convincing _me_ that the claims are true.

Is there something really wrong with that?

Offline Liberty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 525
    • DynamaticMotors
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2013, 04:38:04 AM »
No! I don't claim the effect, I don't know how to make it, my failure would prove nothing! And I know enough about the subject matter to know that the explanation given is bogus under our present knowledge. So it does no good at all for me to try anything at this point, except to try to get people to think a little bit.
I have indeed worked with real kiloampere currents, and I have indeed seen devices powered by groundloops involving Earth grounds and a phase of the mains supply. So I am proposing a couple of simple tests _that can only be done by someone who has such a device that "works"_ that would demonstrate the correctness of the claims.

Is this really so difficult for you to understand?  It is in no sense required that a skeptic prove the device wrong.... what is required is for the claimant to prove that the device is _not_ wrong. I don't believe the meter readings are accurate because of my prior experience with meters and with high currents and with oscillating currents, so I am asking for a more believable test: Blow a 100 amp fuse with the "1000 amp current". How unreasonable is that?
And I have seen deliberate and inadvertent cases where mains power leaked into a circuit through a "ground wire". In this case it is supposed to be leaking in that way, through an "inductive connection" but the sketch shows a single turn. Once again, because I have some little experience with inductive power transfer, I don't believe it, so I am giving the claimant a simple and easy couple of experiments that would go a long way towards convincing _me_ that the claims are true.

Is there something really wrong with that?

I may agree with the power (electron) leak through the ground scenario from TenselKoala as a possibility.  If you look at the electron trap picture, it taps into the power input and connects to the electron trap ground circuit, which would create a possible circuit from the power company neutral/ground, to the device (if the power company neutral/grd is close enough).  It might have the effect of bypassing the power meter, pulling power through the ground circuit.  The patent did specify that power could come from AC power.  If DC power was used, they may have put a diode in the circuit from the AC source which would create a DC current path.  There is room for question in my opinion.  Like was said above, a working unit would have to run on a battery for a power source to eliminate power coming from a power company ground circuit, bypassing the power meter.  More testing should be done.
 
 The other electron trap picture has the electron trap isolated from direct connection to input power.  But there is a plus sign connection point on the trap.  I don't know if a positive voltage is placed there, since it doesn't say on the patent?  If so, it may create another possible circuit through the ground path?  Lots of questions, not many answers at this point.  Not to be negative, just realistic.
 
 Liberty


Offline Bruce_TPU

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 2438
    • Purchase My Book, "The Latter Rain"
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2013, 05:02:35 AM »
To those interested, I have spent hours pouring through the patents and drawings.  It is brilliant!  You will not be able to make it work until you can answer the SM question that I have asked on my thread...

What are the ramifications of dual rotating fields?  Why is that helpful?

Barbosa knows the answer and boldly states so in his patent.  Facinating! 

Cheers,

Bruce

Offline crazycut06

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 297
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2013, 05:17:51 AM »
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w

Regards


In this video this setup is merely an inverter type setup, where low volts high amps converts high voltage to low amps, he did not check consumption on the input side if he was consuming the same amount of power with the light versus connected directly on mains....


Offline a.king21

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1410
Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2013, 05:42:49 AM »
To those interested, I have spent hours pouring through the patents and drawings.  It is brilliant!  You will not be able to make it work until you can answer the SM question that I have asked on my thread...

What are the ramifications of dual rotating fields?  Why is that helpful?

Barbosa knows the answer and boldly states so in his patent.  Facinating! 

Cheers,

Bruce


If you know the answer, then why don't you tell us. And what has this to do with the simple electron trap from the earth?

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2013, 05:42:49 AM »

 

Share this topic to your favourite Social and Bookmark site

Please SHARE this topic at: