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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1102517 times)

Offline Liberty

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2013, 08:25:00 PM »
Has anyone had a chance to test the patent app, as to whether there is a new novel effect to generate power?  I have read the patent and put together what I understand would be a suitable test circuit below.

It appears that one would want to limit the power input side, due to the closed loop on the transformer, will tend to smoke the primary without a current limit on input.  It would also seem necessary to extend the 2 coil winding to another transformer so power could be extracted from the circuit in the second transformer at a proper voltage output. 

220v @ .1A
 22wInputac     !-------------  output ac (should exceed 22w if it works)
   ! -)))))-!       !-)))))--------
      ===            ===
    ---))------------))--
    !                           !
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                                      =   ground
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Offline hanon

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2013, 11:42:25 PM »
Here a video with a replication of the system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs

Liberty, I can not see your sketch because it seems to be moved by the formating of the text


Offline Liberty

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2013, 12:58:04 AM »
Here a video with a replication of the system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs

Liberty, I can not see your sketch because it seems to be moved by the formating of the text

From what I can see in the video, the replication only has a shorted loop.  You have to extract energy from the loop to see if it is more than what was supplied from the input circuit.  I can't tell that the video really shows any excess output at all, but it looks like his loop has a bad solder joint. 


Here is my schematic drawing of a test circuit.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2013, 01:07:57 AM »
Does that video show a connection to an earth ground? If so, I didn't see it. Can someone draw out the schematic of the video?


Offline Liberty

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2013, 01:15:44 AM »
Does that video show a connection to an earth ground? If so, I didn't see it. Can someone draw out the schematic of the video?

I didn't see a schematic diagram either.  It would have been very helpful.  It appears to me that the primary on both transformers were being used for input.  I didn't see an earth ground either.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2013, 01:15:44 AM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2013, 06:36:36 AM »
Translation of the text by the video uploader:  "A brief example of how it would be possible to produce 100x more power using the new technical effect, generated by electro-magnetism that generates current by an electromotive force. This current keeps constant in the conductor's captor. I make it clear that I am skeptic and did not believe it was possible. But to my surprise I appears 300A using 2.3 amp consumption. Other experiments have already got 55 amp which would be more sensible to a residence. There is technically Induction respect to Lenz's Law. Now the amount of electrons which joins the driver where it comes?"

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2013, 06:54:51 AM »
Three Hundred Amps.

Are we talking about the same video, the one just above here with the two transformers and the power strip, and the tangle of wires, none of them larger than #12 AWG?


Three hundred amps. For a change, I find myself without adequate words to express my utter LOLLING.



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2013, 07:02:12 AM »
High amps
from the Kapanadze thread:
Dear Zeitmaschine.This is my interpretation of your recent post's. Please advise any direction that you see fit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-noCheers Grum.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2013, 01:07:39 PM »
High amps
from the Kapanadze thread:
Dear Zeitmaschine.This is my interpretation of your recent post's. Please advise any direction that you see fit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-noCheers Grum.

A thousand amps now! Or is it zero amps like the meter showed just before the camera panned away in a hurry? At least his heavy wires look a bit more plausible for heavy current, but a thousand amps for any length of time would vaporize that heavy cable just as surely as it would a smaller one.

Don't believe me? Then take that heavy cable and hook it directly across the poles of a fully charged car battery. You'll see what a kiloamp of Real Current can do. But please wear safety glasses and stand well back.

Let's say the resistance of that two feet of heavy cable is 0.001 ohm. It is probably much higher than that but let's use one millOhm. The power dissipated in that cable, then, is I2R, or (1000 x 1000) x 0.001, or One KiloWatt. It would be glowing red-hot in moments. If the resistance of the cable/connectors is only 0.01 ohm, one hundredth of an ohm.... you then have TEN KILOWATTS of dissipation in your cable.



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2013, 01:59:53 PM »
A thousand amps now! Or is it zero amps like the meter showed just before the camera panned away in a hurry?

I think he switched the power on then off fairly quickly before removing the clamp for the reasons you highlighted.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Offline baroutologos

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2013, 02:26:23 PM »
Translation of the text by the video uploader:  "A brief example of how it would be possible to produce 100x more power using the new technical effect, generated by electro-magnetism that generates current by an electromotive force. This current keeps constant in the conductor's captor. I make it clear that I am skeptic and did not believe it was possible. But to my surprise I appears 300A using 2.3 amp consumption. Other experiments have already got 55 amp which would be more sensible to a residence. There is technically Induction respect to Lenz's Law. Now the amount of electrons which joins the driver where it comes?"


Can someone explain to that person that the hundreds amps (if correct measured) of the thick looped inductor is due to transformer turns ratio plain induction?


The weird would be if considerable amps would flow to the system, via one wire (as Kapanadze suggests) from ground to device.
But this is not the case is not it?

:)

Where is the "inventor" to show us the principle? Instead every newbie tries to verify it.. sighh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2013, 02:59:00 PM »
I think he switched the power on then off fairly quickly before removing the clamp for the reasons you highlighted.

And I think a very good and impressive demonstration of real power would have been for him NOT to have switched it off, and let it start glowing from the heat.

I've deliberately blown components to illustrate my points in videos.... and you can bet I would have supported a claim of a thousand amps with something other than an unstable meter reading from an unknown uncalibrated instrument. But that's just me, nobody pays attention to me, because I don't make claims I can't support with real data.

Here's a challenge: Put a 30 amp fuse in series with that cable and repeat the experiment. Or if you are really confident, use a 100 A fuse.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2013, 03:41:30 PM »
Mmm,im not sure on that one TK,it almost seems doable. I believe that cable could handle a 1000 amps for a brief period. Acording to the National Electric Code,you only need AWG 4 for 250 amp's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQYFII5ESME

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2013, 05:13:10 PM »
The video above is like a spot welding mod, high amps low voltage.... ???


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2013, 05:50:38 PM »
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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