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Author Topic: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling  (Read 18787 times)

Offline sparks

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2013, 03:04:45 PM »



    Thermodynamics is simply a study in the diffusion of molecular vibrations plain and simple.  Any laws simply apply to this one form of energy transport and not to the entire cosmos.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2013, 03:40:03 PM »
 the laws which do apply to the subset of vibrations need a cleansing and altercations ie..they strictly forbid a perpetuum mobilum of the 2nd kind,wheras a perpetuum mobilum of the 2nd kind is easily demonstrated

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2013, 05:40:35 PM »
        They had this heating problem with klystron tubes.   The current through the tube was heating up the anode.  So they had water cooled anodes and radiators and all sorts of problems cooling the anode. The more modern ones recycle the plate current.  Now imagine a klystron tube in reverse.  It receives microwaves from microwave frequency light sources.  There is a constant voltage supplied between the anode cathode to initiate the electron current through the tube.   This dc current is converted into electron bunches or plasma waves by the microwave energy ringing in the antennae disposed along the tube.  These plasma waves then crash on the anode which starts to get hot.  Then you cool the anode by inductive coupling to a transformer as each wave changes the magnetic field about the anode at a predictable frequncy.  You use some of the power to maintain the tube in cold cathode mode.  (Cathodes do actually get cold)  Electrons leave the cathode and with less electrons to jitter about they get cold.  In order to supply the cathode with some heat you attach a large piece of conductive material to ground.   Now the tube is acting as a heat engine.  It takes electrons from the ground to the tube where they are caused to travel to the anode as a function of the dc voltage MAINTAINED between cathode and anode.  There they drive a transformer primary due to the  varying density of charges instead of heating the anode and all the problems you have with xrays from electron collisions. 

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2013, 09:01:28 PM »
@sparks..your down-conversion of infralight into microwave frequency example deserves serious attention.nantenna tech is limited to how well the mim diode can rectify higher vibes but if we downconvert to microwave then a regular silicon diodes would do just fine.imagine,a silicon diode rectifying ambient heat en masse! 

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2013, 06:33:21 PM »
  Our nervous systems are good heat transducers.   We have neuron receptors that monitor the temperature of the blood stream. These transducers change the molecular vibrations into electricity that travels along wires and cause chemical reactions to occur in the chemical analogue computers we call the brain.   This is an endothermic chemical reaction that results in an electrical pulse in the 8hz range to be transmitted from the nerve ends to the brain.  This is subconscious most of the time until the enviroment becomes treacherous.   Then your video display flashes do something before the cpu melts down.    If this message is disregarded the brain will usually just make you pass the fuck out where you are likely to fall into contact with the Earth that is more than likely going to be cooler than the air.  So what we have here is pretty much a broadband transduction of molecular motion into electricity.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2013, 09:46:31 PM »
speaking of nerves,lets take a semi-permeable membrane seperating some salty water from some gelatine water and allow to reach osmotic equilibrium.now the concentration of chloride ion is permanently different on both sides and if we shove two identical chloride ion-sensitive electrodes on both sides of membrane we get constant voltage and current capacitance.a self-charging battery in action,the salt concentration difference unchanging.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2013, 06:25:38 AM »
   Ion pumps. 8)

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2013, 03:24:25 PM »
down-gradient pumps believe it or not.the wonders of electrostatics.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2013, 04:52:02 PM »
Gents

I don't believe the following violates the second law of thermodynamics, but would be most appreciative of any thoughts you might have.  Key feature is the de laval nozzle generating a supersonic exhaust flow, which creates significant pressure and hence temperature reduction.  The exhaust flow being supersonic means of course there is no pressure translation back up it to the nozzle throat.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2013, 02:49:44 AM »
Hello LorneGifford,
That you post shall certainly work. We use a similar in the three turbine setup attached.
The gas forced water strikes a Pelton turbine before being returned to the boiler via a Francis turbine.
The gas force being unaffected by this process continues to its original purpose.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2013, 07:39:49 AM »
18th Centaury British Ammonia Tram. Refrigerant cycle.  1812 Royal Navy Air-Sea trial and Coal crashed to penny a ton. 21st Centaury R744 (CO2) serve same purpose.
Two hydro one gas can be accommodated CO2 by compressor/pump on one of the three shafts.
Dry-Ice to gas -40*C heat need. Fridge recycle -30*C heat need.
We lag behind that posted here, way out of our depth :-)

 

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