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Author Topic: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling  (Read 18821 times)

Offline JohnAXD100

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Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« on: July 15, 2013, 08:07:13 AM »
You can imagine the cold object as if it were a spring when you compress a spring you store a specific amount of energy inside it by releasing it you can get the energy which you've stored.

By extracting 1MJ of heat from a liquid it will be very cold and will contract then it will cool the surrounding environment and will absorb 1MJ of heat and expand producing 1MJ of mechanical energy we can use this mechanical energy (the energy of expansion) to cool it again for free.

And this is the main idea of the Fridge that powers itself this type of fridge  can generate a huge amount of cold forever to cool any thing.

The more we'll consume the coldness from the cold liquid the more it'll expand and produce mechanical energy.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2013, 12:47:55 PM by JohnAXD100 »

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Offline DaS Energy

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 03:27:10 AM »
Spot on!

Offline LibreEnergia

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 09:38:55 AM »
You can imagine the cold object as if it were a spring when you compress a spring you store a specific amount of energy inside it by releasing it you can get the energy which you've stored.

By extracting 1MJ of heat from a liquid it will be very cold and will contract then it will cool the surrounding environment and will absorb 1MJ of heat and expand producing 1MJ of mechanical energy we can use this mechanical energy (the energy of expansion) to cool it again for free.

And this is the main idea of the Fridge that powers itself this type of fridge  can generate a huge amount of cold forever to cool any thing.

The more we'll consume the coldness from the cold liquid the more it'll expand and produce mechanical energy.
Sorry, but this is absolute rubbish , totally unfounded in any sort of physical reality.

The characteristics of heat engines are fully characterised by the laws of thermodynamics and those laws preclude such devices from 'self running' in the manner you describe.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 09:51:36 AM »
Whatever you do,  do nothing that may require the use of a fridge, they are impossible in your mind.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 10:07:04 AM »
Whatever you do,  do nothing that may require the use of a fridge, they are impossible in your mind.

What sort of a ridiculous statement is that.

In thermodynamic terms fridges are simply heat engines running in reverse. They consume energy as work and shift heat from a low temperature to a higher one. Heat engines do the opposite. They transfer heat from a higher temperature to a lower one and produce work as an output.

However , there is absolutely no way to connect those two processes together and produce a machine that self runs. It always requires an external energy input.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 10:07:04 AM »
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Offline DaS Energy

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 10:15:23 AM »
In your dreams!

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 10:27:33 AM »
In your dreams!

So far my 'dream' is totally inviolate. The second law has never yet been shown to be broken. Yours is simply wishful thinking.

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Offline DaS Energy

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 10:49:05 AM »
Fridges destroy the second law each time they become active!

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 11:49:35 AM »
Fridges destroy the second law each time they become active!

I guess it is pointless discussing the 2nd Law while you hold to that viewpoint  rather than actually learning what the second laws means.

Read up on some thermodynamics and you will soon see how ridiculous your statement is.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2013, 01:10:48 PM »
I love it when the don't knows pretend they do.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2013, 01:45:05 PM »
I love it when the don't knows pretend they do.

You'd better be able to back that statement up with a coherent explanation of how a fridge breaks the second law or I shall just assume you are more of an idiot than you already appear to be.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2013, 02:37:56 PM »
I very gentle with those coming behind.  At a big dick competition bring a dinner plate!

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2013, 05:01:16 PM »
lol@ das ...libre still,to this very day has refused to explain to us the spontaneous cooling effect of photon up-conversion devices like the one on sale at foreverlight.com.until he does explain this we must assume the 2nd law is finito.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2013, 05:27:03 AM »
 
Thank you profits.
To expand on JohnAXD100 work, We have being playing around with R744 since 2002.
The attached using a 10 litre per second flow produces 10KW.
The colder a heat engine is the more energy it puts out. CO2 will mechanically chill to -40*C
and still be putting out.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2013, 11:09:14 AM »
lol@ das ...libre still,to this very day has refused to explain to us the spontaneous cooling effect of photon up-conversion devices like the one on sale at foreverlight.com.until he does explain this we must assume the 2nd law is finito.

Pringsheim in 1929 showed why anti-Stokes fluorescence (the principle behind devices such as the foreverlight) is not in contradiction to the second law.

Subsequent to this in 1946 Landau proved it by establishing that overall the entropy of such a system always increases.

The second law does not prohibit the cooling occurring, only that overall entropy is increased. Otherwise we'd be foolishly considering that refrigerators are 2nd law violators when clearly they are not.

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Re: Recycling The Energy which was used in Cooling
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