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Author Topic: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell  (Read 49898 times)

Offline markdansie

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #75 on: August 22, 2013, 05:54:26 PM »
Mark
Why are you getting all up in Profitis Face and throwing a wet blanket on everything he says?
 
So much of what he says rings true with new directions in research ,why can't you just let
things progress in this experiment he is sharing with the very Skilled and knowledgable Kator01?
 
?
Thx
Chet


i agree its a worthy experiment and has been done before.
My problem is is the broad statements without any substance. (which is tolerable)
But then the BS starts and if they get away with a little they tend to then try and get away with more.
I love these armchair people who claim practice experience but can never show data, photos or any other proof.
Kator01 I have no problems with and openly encourage him . I just caution him to be sure he knows the qualifications of the people he is taking advice form.


PS Profitis, you have been caught out BS and do not have anything to back your claims of expertise and experience. You are in my sights like Rosemary was with TK. I have 100% track record of success exposing BS. Just do not make claims you can not back up. You what makes it so hard to get any credibility in this field.


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #75 on: August 22, 2013, 05:54:26 PM »

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #76 on: August 22, 2013, 06:00:54 PM »
@markdansie..yes,foreverlight.com emits green light,that gives roughly 1volt.now lets coat it with a phosphor that upconverts green light into ultraviolet light,bangbading,problem solved(maybe 1percent efficiency but if its a warm night then its rate will speed up).we can also split hydrobromic acid into hydrogen and bromine for the new flow-cell with 1volt.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #77 on: August 22, 2013, 06:52:44 PM »
@markdansie..yes,foreverlight.com emits green light,that gives roughly 1volt.now lets coat it with a phosphor that upconverts green light into ultraviolet light,bangbading,problem solved(maybe 1percent efficiency but if its a warm night then its rate will speed up).we can also split hydrobromic acid into hydrogen and bromine for the new flow-cell with 1volt.
You should go do some home work on this really, You will not even get a fraction of 1% unless you use a gaseous environment at about 100 bars. Anther company in USA won an award for proposing this, then it did not work. You need a certain amount of push to get anything above an operational threshold.. IE go try and charge an I pone with 100 MA.
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #78 on: August 23, 2013, 12:06:04 AM »
Folks,

the discussion is getting too agressive, so I like to bring in some point here which I had already researched 2 years ago in order to straighten out the discussion:

as profitis mentioned:

surface-area is the key... but I might add.. only in addition with the work-function of the electrode-material because with a lower work-function we bring the voltage-level down.

Here we are, its expensive but we have to look for similar specifications:
http://huntingdonfusion.com/en/tungsten-electrodes/54-techweld-multi-strike-thoriumoxidfreie-wolfram-elektroden.html

surface-area increases the current per square inch, work-function lowers the voltage. In addition :

the puls-method - as can be seen in the indian paper I posted before -  to avoid the build-up of the helmholz-barrier.

and a way ( I have not found it yet ) to remove the H-gas quickly from the electrode-surface.

Now another material: graphene

@markdansie: do you know the workfunction of graphene ( hexagonal carbon, thickness: one atomic layer ) ?

135 ±9 meV !!! ( milli-eV !!! ) ha... got it ?

german sientific paper here:

http://jahrbib.sulb.uni-saarland.de/frontdoor.php?source_opus=6508&la=de

So this might give you an impression of my modus operandi . After more than 30 years of research in the field of ZPE I do extensive research first ( myself) then built primary tests etc.

Whenever a person in a discussion gets more an more demanding ( number and facts ) I then get a certain impression.

If profitis or me would deliver the full data of what we found, what will you do then @markdansie ?

The path to follow in developing an efficient technique is layed out clear, but - as discussed with profitis in another thread - we need a budget to do it.
Why should I fiddle away with less successful methods if I know the path which offeres the best possible result so far ?

Here is the article a canadian citizen once sent me 5 years ago and I hope you can take it without feeling to get caught on this subject:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.aviation.military/_2JJLwBMjiE/yWEP3sftBPoJ

Regards

Kator01







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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2013, 02:45:15 AM »
@Kator01
Yes you are right I have been overly aggressive on these posts so I will back down from further posts.
I like your experiment and admire yoru work.
I was reacting to bS being posted by someone else, but this is the wrong time and place to be discussing such issues.
my apologies
Mark

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #80 on: August 23, 2013, 02:51:20 AM »
@ Kator01


As always show me the data and a good methodology of gathering it and I will always bow down to it.
String together a lot of data from various sources and string them together into some theory and I will admire the effort.
But it is always important to test such assumptions.


I will give you an example.
Many years ago I worked in fuel efficiency  research. The persons i worked for believed if we strung 3 or more technologies together we would get an accumulative effect.  Was good in theory but when it came to the tests it never panned out. Why?


 I really like what you are proposing , but show me the data that is generated from and actual experiment that is over 100% efficient, not just assumptions made in theory.


PS I know about graphene lol


Keep up the good work
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Mark




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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #81 on: August 23, 2013, 03:27:25 AM »
exellent info @kator.we are definitly on the same wavelength.markdansie wants to see the layouts,which is understandable but we dont want others who are eyeing this thread  profiting while we do the work.ive given markdansie so many pointers,without diverging from text-books,that if he hasnt clicked on by now i dont think he wil.i gave him faradays law and a self-charging fuel cell experiment to do at home.that should be sufficient to trigger him to dive into experiments.true @kator,work function is definitely a role player.the important thing to understand is that your experiment that you did for us produced exactly 0.5 volts worth of adsorbed h2 + o2.if you had let it rest for a little while the atoms would combine into molecules and the back-emf wouldve subsided,allowing you to repeat the cycle,repeat,repeat,repeat.the time lag between repeats is the critical factor for rate.the materials that you use reduce time lags.carbon realy sucks but its good enuf for demo. 

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #82 on: August 23, 2013, 04:56:55 AM »
@kator..im truly beginning to see the benefit of pulsed currents,im picturing in my mind how even a slight inductor backspike would cause some re-combination of adsorbed H2 and O2 into water giving a clean sweep of the electrodes surfaces to enable the next cycle.it seems one can actualy manipulate how much of a saturation one wants,then pull the rug out from under it.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #83 on: August 23, 2013, 05:09:11 AM »
exellent info @kator.we are definitly on the same wavelength.markdansie wants to see the layouts,which is understandable but we dont want others who are eyeing this thread  profiting while we do the work


This is an open forum Overunity thread.  You are  starting to sound like Sterling Allan.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #84 on: August 23, 2013, 05:44:31 AM »
indeed @markdansie..i,l give an arm,not a leg too.will you fill us in on the details of the magnetic field on the h2 electrode?

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2013, 12:36:15 PM »
@kator..im truly beginning to see the benefit of pulsed currents,im picturing in my mind how even a slight inductor backspike would cause some re-combination of adsorbed H2 and O2 into water .....

profitis,

did´nt tinman show a vid about his copper-zin-cells where he used the collaps-emf ( not

back-emf..it is something
different ) to regenerate the cells ?

I can not find it anymore.

Anyway I try to elaborate a circuit.. not so easy as one thinks.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #86 on: August 23, 2013, 02:07:18 PM »
indeed @markdansie..i,l give an arm,not a leg too.will you fill us in on the details of the magnetic field on the h2 electrode?
There are three streams of research in this area.
1. The first one is in Europe and I am under NDA. I assisted the researcher to obtain if I remember correctly around $13,000 for further experiments. They are still in progress and getting not what we expected, but a whole lot of other areas to now further research. It uses oscillating magnetic fields for splitting water. Requires some pretty cool preconditioning but requires no electricity after initiated
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2. The second is in the USA. I have distributed to a few people here a couple of videos of that in operation. That used a non pulsed magnetic field with electrodes in a hydrogen environment. Several people are in various stages of reproducing that experiment and if we get confirmation that will really open up some doors. This does not make hydrogen only electricity. We are not sure if hydrogen is consumed in the process as of yet.


3. The final one is a variation of the nuclear spin device. Will get back to that next year


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #87 on: August 23, 2013, 04:08:47 PM »
profitis,

did´nt tinman show a vid about his copper-zin-cells where he used the collaps-emf ( not

back-emf..it is something
different ) to regenerate the cells ?

I can not find it anymore.

Anyway I try to elaborate a circuit.. not so easy as one thinks.

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You mean this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64EDo4OB_L0
It kept on running until the water leaked out of my(no so well sealed)cells,and turned the MDF to paper mush lol.
Anyway,you will be seeing a better version of this in the Pulse motor build off-no leak's this time.
This video was actualy the first time Mark contacted me via email-so it got his interest anyway lol.
The theroy was proven to be sound,and the plate deterioration was almost nil on the JT over 7 weeks running. Mark also has a water powered torch,and who know's-maybe it has somthing similar to this incorperated into it,to make it run so long on one cell?.
But there is a better liquid to use other than water,and increases each cell voltage to almost 2.1 volt's,where as with water,this type of cell only produces around .8 volts.
But rather than just post theroies and make claims-i prefer to show actual working devices. This is something some others here should try once or twice. It's called-putting your money where your mouth is.If it's not yours to share,then fair enough. But i see many claims made by a few here that have nothing to back up said claims with-just talk,talk,talk.
Sorry guys,but im with Mark on this one-show us a working device.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #88 on: August 23, 2013, 04:51:17 PM »
@kator yes i think tinman is on the money there. If you were to take a zinc-copper couple in acid,and put an inductor circuit of some sort between them as your bridge then the much-hated buildup of hydrogen back-emf-polarization can be alleviated to some degree by the back-spikes,cleansweeping the copper surface from atomic hydrogen,allowing for some renewed surface area.it would work better under alkaline conditions due to faster seperation of h2 bubbles from wetting ability.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #89 on: August 23, 2013, 05:49:12 PM »
@markdansie..if a stationary magnet effects the electrode potential of a hydrogen electrode then yes,we can build a cell with two h2 electrodes.some quick googling indicates it does indeed.

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