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Author Topic: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell  (Read 45920 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2013, 04:40:50 AM »
Mark:

Thanks.

Bill

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2013, 04:40:50 AM »

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #61 on: August 22, 2013, 04:41:39 AM »
@markdansie..if i take a fuel cell and connect it to an electrolysis cell like what kator made earlier,and i put a lightbulb along any point in the wires so that the voltage drops down to 0,5volts like in kators cell and then i let that same current as kator allowed through,bingo,we get all of our hydrogen and oxygen back due to faraday,s beautiful law,not some of our hydrogen but all of our hydrogen and oxygen.this energy efficiency is clearly way above 100%.its only voltage and rate that we are concerned about due to faraday law so if dopper had used a fuel cell to effect electrolysis instead of the mains,what efficiency would he obtain?i only have to show that current passed through an electrolysis cell at under 1.23volts(the voltage of a fuel cell)and im already in the lead.what can i demonstrate that kator didnt demonstrate?greater rate at same voltage,thats all.im no expert on pulsing current tho and i know that will help.
Once again you avoided answering my question regards your practical experience with HHO cells. Have you ever built one or not?????? Please answer. If you did please describe it and the results.
There is no evidence or data to support you would get 100%.
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #62 on: August 22, 2013, 04:43:53 AM »
I believe he died Bill and it was never more than 85% efficient. He used salt water.

Mark,

Have you yet found anything more than 100% efficient?

Liberty

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2013, 05:20:35 AM »
@liberty
Unfortunately in regards to water splitting and hho the answer is no. In my many years of testing , investigating and reviewing nothing ever panned out. There is still the urban myths people cling onto and this Pakistan claim is type of the Bullshit that is out there.
There are some brilliant people still researching in the area including main steam scientists and universities.


I am sure many good people in this forum good direct me to may claims and examples, but none ever have had third party verification, or data collected. Most the evidence is antidotes, Chinese rumors and just plain BS. Some of the bet research from the amateur experimenters is out of Europe with many good sites and forums.


Whats annoying me in this particular thread is people portraying themselves as experts, and never built a cell in their life. One of the people I admire the most George Wisemen who pioneered a lot of research in this area said on the Smart Scarecrow Show he never sold more than 200 units worldwide. Believe me their is a reason for that.


Kind Regards


PS Profitis....please let us all know the last cell you built and the results you got remember you claimed you have done dozens of experiments. Hey a photograph would be great. I attached one of a device that cracks the hydrogen from the fuel using heat and electric fields. This is at a government test facility in Australia and was part of a series of Chassis dyno tests. We tested the same device in engine labs is California the month before. We also tested it at the NREL labs in USA. We also tested several HHO devices as well .
 


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #64 on: August 22, 2013, 05:37:45 AM »
@markdansie..affirmative,you give me the fuel cell,i,l attatch the electrolysis cell to match.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #64 on: August 22, 2013, 05:37:45 AM »
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #65 on: August 22, 2013, 05:46:30 AM »
@liberty
Unfortunately in regards to water splitting and hho the answer is no. In my many years of testing , investigating and reviewing nothing ever panned out. There is still the urban myths people cling onto and this Pakistan claim is type of the Bullshit that is out there.
There are some brilliant people still researching in the area including main steam scientists and universities.


I am sure many good people in this forum good direct me to may claims and examples, but none ever have had third party verification, or data collected. Most the evidence is antidotes, Chinese rumors and just plain BS. Some of the bet research from the amateur experimenters is out of Europe with many good sites and forums.


Whats annoying me in this particular thread is people portraying themselves as experts, and never built a cell in their life. One of the people I admire the most George Wisemen who pioneered a lot of research in this area said on the Smart Scarecrow Show he never sold more than 200 units worldwide. Believe me their is a reason for that.


Kind Regards


PS Profitis....please let us all know the last cell you built and the results you got remember you claimed you have done dozens of experiments. Hey a photograph would be great. I attached one of a device that cracks the hydrogen from the fuel using heat and electric fields. This is at a government test facility in Australia and was part of a series of Chassis dyno tests. We tested the same device in engine labs is California the month before. We also tested it at the NREL labs in USA. We also tested several HHO devices as well .

I have found through chemistry, that chemical bonds are very predictable and would seem to be subject to conventional reactions.  I have found otherwise in magnetics in special cases. 

Best wishes,

Liberty

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #66 on: August 22, 2013, 05:48:15 AM »
@markdansie,,i,l even attatch the hydrogen and oxygen chambers of the fuel cell to the electrolysis cell for you lol.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #67 on: August 22, 2013, 05:57:45 AM »
@markdansie,the inefficiencies of most of these hho pioneers is due to the losses in their actual power source thats why i insist on coupling to a fuel cell,chambers and all.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2013, 06:14:00 AM »
@kator,ive done extensive research with semiconductors,yes TiO2 nanopowder has enormous surface area and would be highly conducive to water splitting,if we were to coat some of foreverlight.com,s panels with it and throw it in water we will get splitting,,in the dark!!

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2013, 07:42:51 AM »
@markdansie..affirmative,you give me the fuel cell,i,l attatch the electrolysis cell to match.
So you avoided my question again. Earlier in the thread you said you completed lots of experiments. I ma trying to finout how many involved you building a HHO cell or splitting water.
Do you have a photo's? What is the architecture (plates)? What performance have you had? How many Cells have you build and tested? Is the data available? What was the gas analysis (TK was right many get fooled by water vapor had even nitrogen introduced by venturi effects)?
Have you done your homework on fuel cells? Dis you use Brute force? Did you use pulsed signals or harmonics?or harmonics.
Do you have a paper with the equations to support your current hypothesis and some evidence from your own experiments why this should work?
What is the specification of your cell you have. What is its current efficiency? We need to have baselines.
You said affirmative???? Does that mean you have cells, data, photo's any other evidence??????
You see I am about finding the truth and at the moment my BS meter is off the scale reading your posts. I do not mind the theory, discussions, but when you make claims and lead others on you better have the evidence.
Rosemary has created a vacancy and it appears your standing in to fill it.
You know TK. Bill, MH and dozens of others here are honest people. Many work hard as expeimenters. Above all liek with TK I never pretend to be 5% as qualified as he is, I know my limits. If I knew 2% of what MH did about science I would be pretty smart. And others like Pirate are decent experimenters who do a great job.....none of these people BS
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2013, 07:42:51 AM »
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2013, 07:51:39 AM »
@kator,ive done extensive research with semiconductors,yes TiO2 nanopowder has enormous surface area and would be highly conducive to water splitting,if we were to coat some of foreverlight.com,s panels with it and throw it in water we will get splitting,,in the dark!!
So how much hands on have you done?
What are your academic qualifications or did this research mean you squeeze in a couple of YouTube views between Sesame Street shows?
Many have use nano powders before. We conducted several experiments with nano powders and nano coated plates back 6 years ago.
 
Surface area does not equate in increased efficiency.

Yes they have solar cellsl doing 1 volt now just short of the 1.23 volts needed.


So rather than vague comments why do you not put up the detail. Forever light has not got enough photons to drive what you are suggesting and was attempted by many. In fact the Russians did some great work in this area.......go do some more research
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #71 on: August 22, 2013, 07:57:03 AM »
@Liberty
I have found through chemistry, that [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]chemical bonds[/color] are very predictable and would seem to be subject to conventional reactions.  I have found otherwise in magnetics in special cases.  Best wishes,Liberty


You are correct. Using pulsed magnetic fields in the presence of particular types of Ferrous plates produces some very interesting results when it comes to water splitting.
In addition to this using magnetic fields to stimulate anodes and cathodes in a hydrogen environment is even more interesting as it produces electricity.
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #72 on: August 22, 2013, 02:42:35 PM »
Mark
Why are you getting all up in Profitis Face and throwing a wet blanket on everything he says?
 
So much of what he says rings true with new directions in research ,why can't you just let
things progress in this experiment he is sharing with the very Skilled and knowledgable Kator01?
 
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Thx
Chet

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #73 on: August 22, 2013, 05:28:01 PM »
@markdansie..im going to start getting angry now lol!kator has done my demo for you to see. Please take two massive carbon electrodes,shove them into electrolyte and hook up their gas chambers to your fuel cell gas chambers and repeat kator,s demo.do you now still want to tell me that we are under 100% efficiency?if so please explain,use text-book laws please.surface area is everything,material makeup too,but kator,s carbon will do fine for demo.   


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #74 on: August 22, 2013, 05:47:37 PM »
@markdansie..im going to start getting angry now lol!kator has done my demo for you to see. Please take two massive carbon electrodes,shove them into electrolyte and hook up their gas chambers to your fuel cell gas chambers and repeat kator,s demo.do you now still want to tell me that we are under 100% efficiency?if so please explain,use text-book laws please.surface area is everything,material makeup too,but kator,s carbon will do fine for demo.
Show me the data, perhaps some pics. Even a diagram might help wit ha step by step process. I think the biggest problem here is your claiming over 100%. You have nothing to back this up at this stage but as I said its a worthy experiment.
Mark


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
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