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Author Topic: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell  (Read 45032 times)

Offline Kator01

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2013, 06:39:19 PM »
profitis,

yes true, just uploaded a file : Bockris, on the splitting of water. Go to the download-section

http://www.overunity.com/downloads/#.UhJJC38w6uI

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2013, 06:39:19 PM »

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2013, 09:26:08 PM »
bockris is a genius @kator,however no fuel consumption is required in my above example,one can use 2 smooth platinum electrodes with same result,electrolysis and splitting of water at 0.5 volts,at a slow pace.give me a fuel cell @kator and i,l use it to split water fast with my secret electrodes(-:


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2013, 11:57:48 PM »
profitis,

I have two carbon rods ( saved from an old Zinc-Carbon battery ). Do you mean carbon or graphite ?
I will give it a try. Salt-Concentration necessary for this experiment  ?

My understanding is that this is the standard chloralkali-process: Using salt-water you will get cloride which will form H2, O2, Cl2 and  OH-, ClO-, ClO3- , so you have to be careful and ventilate your room.

Why no fuel-consumption since H2 is formed ? In addition you will get NaOH but only if you use a membrane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloralkali_process

Or do you mean no consumption of carbon ?

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2013, 01:04:44 AM »
yes kator no consumption of carbon necesary.carbon is actualy very unreactive at room temperature so it will do fine for the experiment.you can use sodium bicarbonate or sodium hydroxide aswell then no chlorine will form,just oxygen and hydrogen.every single electron that passes through the cell has no choice but to split water(faraday,s law) so try to measure the current that passes on a milliamp meter,and multiply by time and then we work out how much gases formed.make sure your carbon rods are totaly de-waxed by holding them over a candle flame with pliers and burn the wax off kator,one end then the other end,for maximum surface area and to un-waterproof them.use a high concentration of electrolyte for the experiment.what are you going to use as your power source kator.


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2013, 02:46:29 AM »
@profiis
go do some homework. Introducing other elements like Urea to teh solution can lower the voltage required for electrolysis down substantially (possibly bellow .5 v) You can also introduce alcohol lol.
I admire your free thought and imagination but please do some practical experiments and report the data. As far as this Pakistan Car goes its is 100% bullshit, he has been exposed, denounced and the track record still stands water powered cars 0/ science 100


People hear grab a headline or a story that matched their belief system and often choose to ignore all the other over whelming evidence against.


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2013, 02:46:29 AM »
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2013, 03:23:49 AM »
@markdansie,we await kator,s results,i trust that he wont use urea and stick to baking soda.heres a hint: chemical potential/surface area=electro-chemical potential.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2013, 11:51:24 AM »
@profitis,

powersource ? I can build one custom-build for this experiment, DC, puls DC, half-wave 50 Hz, full-rectified 100 Hz, Kiloherz-Range whatever works best.

I start with DC and use an 1 molar-solution first.

@markdansie: why not try it yourself ? To experience something - even if you are at failure - is the most valuable thing which could happen to you.
I have a clear impression that profitis knows his stuff, I trust him

I build many things in the past and many were failures.

By exposing yourself to direct practical experience - if done with the right attitude - your consiousness gets in close contact with the matter or the process you create. It worth more than a million dollars... but I also know that this path is not for everyone to follow.

@profitis: I will post a pic of my carbon-rods. Best method of  cleaning would be a HHO-flame, but unfortunately I dont have one. Will use propane. Thank you

added: calculation of moar-mass:

http://www.chemie.de/tools/


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2013, 04:38:29 PM »
@profitis,



@markdansie: why not try it yourself ? To experience something - even if you are at failure - is the most valuable thing which could happen to you.
I have a clear impression that profitis knows his stuff, I trust him

I build many things in the past and many were failures.

By exposing yourself to direct practical experience - if done with the right attitude - your consiousness gets in close contact with the matter or the process you create. It worth more than a million dollars... but I also know that this path is not for everyone to follow.


Kator01


Hi I agree with personal experience. I built my first cells in 2006 and probably about 20 others over the years. I have been fortunate to have visited experimenters in Australia, NZ, USA Europe, Africa, Canada and several Asian Countries. I was even more fortunate to have visited several companies, and last year worked with a company where we spent over 200,000 USD on professional testing laboratories in Australia and USA. Is this experiment worthwhile? Probably yes. I have respect for Profits thoughts and imagination however he may lack the experience. You learn a lot when you work full time with a team testing on engine and chassis Dyno's for weeks on end.
I have also had access to data on over 5,000 vehicle on road tests from various companies.
So I have been very lucky and I believe have a very good understanding of HHO, its effects and water splitting. Am I an expert? No way but the engineers, experimenters and scientists who have assisted are.
And here is some free advice. In every case I saw, science and the laws of science held up. In fact we were able in the end to predict results like effects on combustion, exhaust gases, engine performance and optimum gas levels with uncanny accuracy. Its all based on sound methodology and data. So when I see claims made without credible data but emotive BS like your Pakistani friend, then I become the TK of HHO. I never profess to have any technical or electrical knowledge, but in this field...I doubt I have many peers with that amount of broad experience.
So I guess after 6 years, thousand of hours of hands on testing , working with over 100 developers, scientist and engineers  and travelling on over 50 international flights, I guess I have some practical experience.
My final bit of advice is no one has ever had a self running water powered vehicle or self lopped generator without another energy source or fuel being involved. There is no data, evidence or third party credible evidence to support that there ever was. I can show dozens of attempted scams however.
Kind Regards and have fun experimenting
PS how many units you built Profitis?





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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2013, 04:43:56 PM »
Kator01
Your attitude and presentation are inspiring..
A true Gentlemen.
@profitis
Thank you for offering the experiment and help... who knows perhaps we will learn something new?

Chet

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2013, 07:35:53 PM »
@kator..yes start the experiment using one of those common variable voltage adaptors that you plug in the wall,try pulsed d.c.,try smooth d.c. Pulsed d.c. should give better result due to some kickback from the transformer,and allowing time for recombination of atomic hydrogen and oxygen into hydrogen molecules and oxygen molecules and their subsequent detatchment from the wet electrodes(this is important to this process).try low frequencies first to allow time for atomic recombination inbetween pulses.try using nichrome (from toasters) electrode pairs also,steel razor blades(may be easier to see the bubbles forming).our goal is to show that current passes through at under 1.23volts.use caustic soda preferencialy for this experiment.     

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2013, 07:52:30 PM »
@markdansie,,ive done dozens of experiments mate..some with frightening results.if we understand the late great walther nernst,the text-book favorite on electrochemistry we can manipulate voltages.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2013, 08:49:39 PM »
@ramset..thanks for the thanks sir..perhaps we will yes.the important thing to know is that all the electrode potentials listed in the text-books are under standard conditions.what happens when the conditions are non-standard?this is what we want to find out.


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2013, 10:50:58 PM »
Another water car that will never be manufactured. Same as the Philippine guy (don't remember his name now), same as Ismael Aviso who after several years has achieved nothing, etc.


No water car for us any time soon.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2013, 11:13:49 PM »
Once again I was wistfully hoping that something would be "real". . . 


I have an early 70s pickup with a big carborated engine that only makes 10mpg  :(


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2013, 12:30:17 AM »
thanks to all these positive comment,

@markdansie: you have an impressive cycle of experience and my comment was not do question your profile because I appreciate the way you collect and present new technolgies on your website.
Something I have to report about fuel-booster-systems:
A friend of mine is a teacher at a small technical university in germany. They ( his students)  have done extensive tests ( including rig-test ) with 5 different car-types, injecting HHO from a drycell into the inlet ( without any regulative changes ) with 326 Watt power-consumption. After driving for 1 hour at the speed of 100 km/h power consumed:

326.6 Wh  = 326,6 x 1000 x 3600s = 1,175,760 Ws = Joule
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fuel saved: 1.7l  [/font]= 1.258 Kg  = 15,096 kWh

that is:

15,096 kWh  x 1000 x 3600s = 54,345,600 Ws= Joule

ROI - factor about 46.
energy saved includes the fact that the alternator had to supply the additional 326.6 Wh which in other words means a chemical load of 1 KWh which equals 0.1 liter of gas ( 0.1 ltr of liquid.. in order to avoid any misunderstandings) .

I know..I know: car-engines are only 35 % efficient and somehow the hho can do something here...

@profitis: true, everyone of us always acts in the range of his educational tunnel-view. How can one expect to
experience something extraodinary if he is dwelling in his tunnel with a limited view.
Only those who expect something beyond the classical scientific knowledge will get the chance to discover new things. It is widly known in quantum-mechanics that the universe is just waiting to manifest our ideas and thoughts if persued in a proper manner...but there is what I call "the competition of the different forces"..we have to take this into accout.
Now enough with philosophical thoughts.

I did the first test today. Pic attached. 1 molar solution of Sodium bicarbonat, temp 23.5 deg Ceslius.
Rods 14 cm length, 12 mm diameter, cleaned and rinsed with destilled water than I let them sit for 1 hour in the water.
Voltage applied first 0.5 V, current started with 1.8 mA then decreasing down to 0.6 mA, no Hydrogen on the right-hand rod. H-bubbles starting at 5 mA. For this I had to increase voltage to 0.8 V. Same process, current decreasing. I finished with 1.2 V, current starting with 12 mA ( 15 mW)..bublles formin, again decreasing down to 3 mA, bubbles stopped.
Supply-lines detached and immetiate measurement of voltage across the cell : 0.9 Volt !
This is standard-behaviour of the hydrogen-pressure. hydrogen-gas wants to get back to where it came from, thus pushing electrons back to the positive lead of the powersupply. Now at 0.3 volt ( ! ) above the cell-pressure-voltage bubbles form.

I will continue with NaOH or KaOH and focus on a stable current-condition, monitoring then the supply-voltage and the cell-pressure at this condition.

any suggestions @profitis ?

The best power-input condition one can get is by using a torus-transformer with about 5 to 8 secondary windings and one shottky-diode. It is much more efficient than any powersupply. They have incredible losses up  to 50 % while in current control-mode ( partial-load ). I have verfied this with a switched power-supply ( MRGN-9000 ) These power-supplies are only efficient ( 90-95 %) at full power-output.

To enhance the efficiency: interrupting power-input periodically and download the cell-energy at this moment into a super-cap... then continue charging the cell...somthing which is described in an old german physics-textbook

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
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