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Author Topic: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell  (Read 45035 times)

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2013, 05:23:01 AM »
Paki1
You are really out of your depth here. I studied the videos and he has nothing new. I would not call it fraud just delusion on a grand scale. I have seen V8 trucks run on nothing but HHO , until the batteries run flat.
I also have tested in some of the leading automotive labs in the world HHO devices and claims.
So stop ramming this BS down our throats and pretending there is some sort of conspiracy because there is not. I noticed you did not respond to the letters i posted from your own countrymen, far more qualified by you.
If you want to convince anyone stop using antidote evidence and get some hard data collected by qualified people using acceptable methodologies.
HHO does have some benefits, but self running....no way.
So put up or shut up.
With Kind Regards
Mark
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2013, 05:47:00 AM »
@markdansie, Agha Waqar has been running the cars on his HHO fuel cell for weeks without loosing any car battery. He has claimed this also on TV channels that car battery will never expire due to his fuel cell. If you need, I can translate and share these videos for you.

He is now facing the problem that how to launch his HHO fuel cell in Pakistan on commercial basis. Government is not helping him due to opposition by government scientists and some "general science educated" people. He cannot manufacture these HHO fuel cells in bulk on his own and then launch. He does not believe in patent in Pakistan. How can he launch the HHO fuel cell so that we can use it ourselves and confirm? Any idea.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2013, 07:43:27 AM »
Simple answer,
1. If he can get some credible data using a proper methodology he would be given millions.
It really is that simple. All we have is his own words and given the other hundreds of false claims before him, it makes it difficult for anyone to believe.
2. Point out what is different between his and the otehr thousand HHO devices out there
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2013, 09:49:54 AM »
Yesterday, in a meeting with Agha Waqar, he said that he is performing the electrolysis of the distilled water or the discharge water from the air conditioner. He asked me, "Was it possible for anyone (except Stanley Meyer)  to do the same?"

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2013, 10:38:51 AM »
Both he and Stan had one thing in common, neither had a car running on water, or better phrased that could be independently verified. or replicated.


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2013, 02:50:26 PM »
Mark
Perhaps to say Stan did not run the car on water with out first hand Knowledge
is Not fair ?
After all he is not here to defend himself...
 
We all Know and are taught just how much energy is locked up in water  :o
as a matter of fact there is energy locked into everything around us ,an immense amount
beyond comprehension.
 
thx
Chet

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2013, 06:26:59 PM »
@markdansie, how can the Agha Waqar's HHO fuel cell be independently verified? Please give some practical methods.
Also, if you want to verify yourself then you can come here in Pakistan and verify it yourself personally. Also, if you can bear the expenses, Agha Waqar can come to you and can prove to you there in front of you that his claims about the HHO fuel cell are all correct and that his fuel cell is over unity.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2013, 06:33:45 PM »
You know the old cliche, water is the ash you get after you burn hydrogen.  Ash means a LOW energy state, you have already "sucked out the juice."

Let me see if I can find the chemical equation.  Okay I found it in question and answer form:

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Question:

H2(g) + 1/2 O2(g) → H2O(l) ΔH = -286 kJ/mol
What is the enthalpy change when 15.0 mol of hydrogen gas reacts with excess oxygen.

Answer:

Overall, the enthalpy change is negative. Therefore it is an exothermic reaction (heat is released)
There 286kJ per mole is given off. If 15 mol of H2 is burnt in oxygen, 286x 15 Kj of Energy given off.
Hence 4290kJ of energy is released (provided the Oxygen is in excess supply). Ie, Total change in enthalypy is -4290kJ.

Note this is the chemical energy associated with the reaction, not the fantasy "clockwork of the Universe energy in a teacup" energy.

I believe that the "HHO" crowd always makes the pitch that they can separate water into hydrogen and oxygen by using an undefined "fantasy resonance" based system so that they don't have to expend the 286 kilojoules of energy per mole to do the separation.  It's the alleged "get out of jail free" card.  But then they reap the benefits of the 286 kilojoules of energy given off when the hydrogen recombines with oxygen.

So they are implying an over unity process can be realized when you separate the water.  Hence you can run your car on water by using a small amount of the 286 kilojoules per mole given off during the burning to separate more water into hydrogen and oxygen.

So there is an alleged "energy short cut" to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen.  It's been a year on now and no news about fleets of buses and cars running on water in Pakistan.  Am I correct?

MileHigh

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2013, 01:03:46 AM »
Milehigh,

interesting that you ask this question. Yesterday I stumbled on this guy here: David A. Puchta:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hhydrogen4Power&oq=Hhydrogen4Power&gs_l=youtube.12...0.0.0.1327952.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1ac..11.youtube.

He developed some electrode-material which he is offering at a unpayable price of 2500 $/ounce !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5t8_eCqyrg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bc3h0ObjBY

and than this project of Todd here: ( TiO2 - Plasma Spray Coating )
http://www.overunity.com/13651/now-offering-electron-extraction-coating-services/msg366025/#new

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Kator01


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2013, 01:53:15 AM »
Mark
Perhaps to say Stan did not run the car on water with out first hand Knowledge
is Not fair ?
After all he is not here to defend himself...
 
We all Know and are taught just how much energy is locked up in water  :o
as a matter of fact there is energy locked into everything around us ,an immense amount
beyond comprehension.
 
thx
Chet


Hi Chet
First of all I agree and will leave Stan out of it.  My opinion was formed after interviewing people who had met and worked with Stan , and in some cases caught him out. i interviewed many people. However I take your point.
There is energy locked up in water and it takes the same amount of energy if not more to unlock it or was used to lock it up in the first place. No one has ever demonstrated any way of unlocking it where an net gain gain be realized, although some plasma technologies or cavitation may in the the future prove this possible.
As for this Pakistan claim , has been debunked, unable to be replicated or tested by third parties in any credible way.  Its a joke and a disgrace.
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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2013, 02:07:49 AM »
@markdansie, how can the Agha Waqar's HHO fuel cell be independently verified? Please give some practical methods.
Also, if you want to verify yourself then you can come here in Pakistan and verify it yourself personally. Also, if you can bear the expenses, Agha Waqar can come to you and can prove to you there in front of you that his claims about the HHO fuel cell are all correct and that his fuel cell is over unity.


Simple test to verify it
1. measure the power in to the cell.
2. measure the volume of gas coming out . I.E. liters per second)
3. have the gas analysed for purity


I have seen , built, visited  or tested over 30 cells worldwide. I have seen in some cases many millions of dollars wasted. In every case the energy expended generating the hydrogen is greater than the energy content of the gas harvested. I have seen people run engines on it but never for long self sustaining or self looped, normally until the batteries ran flat. So show me any evidence or data to the contrary first. This is self delusion and luckily some scientists were smart enough to publicly denounce it before too much damage was done to some government representatives who should have known better.
The onus is on the inventor to provide the above data, I have set you the parameters. Number 1 and 2 would be at no costs and I am sure you can do the third at little cost.


PS have the electrolyte analysed for Alcohol or other hydrocarbon sources.  This is the most common trick used by so called inventors (I.E. water motorcycle in NZ)


If any worthwhile data was provided other than here say evidence and emotive BS, would be happy to stop in and have a look.
My final point is why has the government not come to his aid as promised or why has he not been showered by money form potential investors?


Kind Regards
Mark
 


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2013, 02:41:10 AM »
One thing that winds up fooling water electrolysis experimenters is the volume flow of their output stream. Especially with high current multi-electrode systems, it is easy to actually get boiling water between your electrodes, and just a tiny bit of water made into steam will make you think your output is really "cooking". Unfortunately you still can't burn steam, although it can have some beneficial anti-knock effects if injected properly into an ICE's intake or directly into the cylinders even. But it's not a fuel!
You can get this localized boiling or steaming even if the bulk of the electrolyte is cool. So for any kind of output measurements that depend on volume flow of gas out, please be sure to use a good dryer system to dry the gas completely before measuring its flow rate.

And for the love of Pete be careful.

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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2013, 04:39:10 PM »
@milehigh.water can be split electrolyticly at way below 1.23volts but its rate slows down,theres way to increase the rate and manage the rate.do this experiment: shove two carbon electrodes into salt water,pass current at e.g. 0.5 volts and measure if current passes.current passes my friend.


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Re: Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2013, 05:45:54 PM »
Mark
I do not believe there is dispute over Meyer running his Car on Water,in dispute is the
"O U" claim ?
So be it... the costs I suppose are all relevant to what we pay for our OIL .
 
If things Keep heating up in certain parts of the world and the Infrastructure for OIL transport becomes effected [Suez Canal] COP concerns may go out the window ?
 
Perhaps thats the way it should be ,we live on a mostly Water planet perhaps its by design?
 
Have a good day..
 
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