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Author Topic: Bedini, Lindemann, Bearden, Dollard -- What are their Accomplishments?  (Read 73398 times)

Ein~+ein

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Forgive such a naive question but other than creating a faithful following of would-be device replicators, annual conference attendees and book buyers, can anyone sum up what they've actually accomplished? 

It can't be OU, can it?  The $15,825.00 prize offered for a mere ONE WATT OU device YEARS AGO IS STILL UNCLAIMED!!!  Lindemann for one (including a certain well-known devotee) actually despise 'mainstream science' for its apparent closed-mindedness and/or rigourous requirement for incontrovertible evidence.  Like Andrea Rossi and so many others, do they simply shy away from 3rd party independent testing?  I hesitate to call them charlatans but how many functioning Bedini, Lindemann, Bearden or Dollard devices are out there providing even watts of free green energy to their owners and to the planet? 

Even Sterling Allan, the FE cheerleader admits to depending entirely on UU (underunity) energy in his home, convinced in the existence of some sort of suppression.  My argument is that if FE suppression exists, it's got to be either aliens or god or both conspiring against us.  As everyone knows, Big Oil, Big Banks, the CIA, and the Pentagon can't even suppress evidence of their own incompetence.

CuriousChris

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Well I was going to pick on your for your name. But in the end Einstein would agree with you. O have no hesitation in calling them charlatans. each and every one of them claims to have working devices and to have had them for years.

If they truly had devices they could have an independent authority test them and prove it once and for all. Yet they don't so that in itself is proof they don't have the devices and therefore are charlatans. Some claim independent testing and yet we still don't see anything so what gives?

Terrawat for example had testing done by reputable companies. The tests described exactly what they wanted the test to describe. Yet anyone who understands what they were doing could see the device was just an oscillating spring. lots of torque but no ou.

Rossi claims to have built hundreds of them and heated his factories with them. but always seems to want to conquer the next milestone while at the same time asking for "licensees" to pay up thousands.

Fools are always suckered into this game.


Here is a photo of Rossi in his E-Cat heated factory
http://ecat-news.com/wp-content/gallery/early-photos/focardi-rossi-with-apparatus.jpg


And this one...

CC

TheCell

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Longitudinal Magneto Dielectricity (Eric Dollard) replicated by Mr Clean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlgvBepj3Xw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmAyYhnRgc

hoptoad

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snip...
  As everyone knows, Big Oil, Big Banks, the CIA, and the Pentagon can't even suppress evidence of their own incompetence.
snip...

Unfortunately, their incompetence is buffered and aided by the Goebels effect and philosophy, which is :

If a situation requires resolution by deception, then tell a big lie to as many people as you can, as often as you can.
Eventually the majority will accept it as truth, and it doesn't then matter what the minority believe.

Cheers

TinselKoala

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@TheCell:  Facepalm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eMryiU1ro


@Einstein: Careful... or I'll have to dust off my Itty Bitty Purple Polka-Dot Bedini motor and show you just what _it_ can... or can't... accomplish....

 8)

Qwert

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@TheCell:  Facepalm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eMryiU1ro


@Einstein: Careful... or I'll have to dust off my Itty Bitty Purple Polka-Dot Bedini motor and show you just what _it_ can... or can't... accomplish....

 8)


And the answer is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KMLmpC7-Ls

CuriousChris

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TheCell

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But not related to any overunity effects, or am I missing something?
Every led has it's own resonant tank circuit .. nice.
MrClean measured more out than in.

markdansie

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Shear genius, send it to Sterling he can sell plans and charge 10% royalty under his open source arrangement.


This is the new Keppe Fan. I worked out here in the Philippines that a similar fan is $18. (vs $250). at 10 hours a day run time and say it does save 20 watts an hour that is 200 watts per day. So at 11c kwH it will save 2.2 cents every 5 days or let round things up $2 per year
So in about 125 years we might get ahead, except if we look at the opportunity cost if the money was invested.
So if I get 5% on the $250 I get $12.50 a year.
I think you get the drift.
Mark



Ein~+ein

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Thanks for your comments, everyone. 

I recently suggested on an EnergeticForum.com thread to an attendee of the recent Lindemann-Bedini-Dollard Conference that dispensing with mainstream science may not be a good idea.  Aaron Marukami's response is revealing:

Your ignorance or intentional efforts to confuse what is being said has come to an end.

Mainstream science IS bunk - that is a SEPARATE point from what is said about anyone ignoring the science at hand, which is a DIFFERENT science than mainstream science - the science AT HAND is the science at the conference, which is NOT MAINSTREAM SCIENCE.

So what you're left with when you discard the mainstream science are SOLUTIONS that mainstream science is too delusional to ever comprehend.


I'm left with no other option than to conclude this DIFFERENT SCIENCE is none other than pseudoscience... intended to promote false hopes and beliefs, sell books, conference tickets, etc, etc.  Soon after joining his forum, when asked for evidence on another topic, Aaron not only contradicted an earlier statement he'd made but when pointed out, rather than clarifying the matter, actually threatened me.  It's not surprising therefore that he would 'suppress' my membership for once again, questioning the evidence.

Elsewhere on this forum, I'd read there are those hoping to launch a class action suit against Bedini, Lindemann, et al.  It might also be worth checking if they applied for or received for any state or federal 'green' tax advantage and then look into how that was verified.  Unless some brave coward can prove OU with their devices, it's obvious these guys don't care about the environment---they're simply wasting everyone's time, money and getting victims to WASTE ENERGY trying!!!

MileHigh

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Einstein:

I assume that you got booted from EF so welcome to OU.   There are many people on OU that were booted from EF.  You can give Stefan a lot of credit for being much more open minded than Aaron.

The original video called "Electric Motor Secrets by Peter Lindemann" was on YouTube for quite a while but Peter must have discovered that and had it taken down so I can't link to it.

I watched that video and Peter goes on and on about the "energy destroyer" inside a standard DC electric motor.  He subtracts the EMF the motor produces when you drive it like a generator, from the DC voltage you feed the motor with to make it run, and calls the voltage difference the "energy destroyer."  The premise is that there is something mysterious going on inside a conventional electric motor that is "destroying" energy.

In fact this mysterious "destroyer" voltage drop is the normal and expected voltage drop in the motor windings as the motor converts electrical energy into mechanical energy.  It is the manifestation of the "transformer" action going on in the motor: <electrical> ---> <mechanical>

So what Peter Lindemann calls the "destroyer" is actually what becomes the useful mechanical output from the motor.

And to make matters worse, this foolishness was the big inspiration for UFOPolitics and his two giant threads on EF.  UFOPolitics calls it the "Witch" and all of his funky motor rewiring schemes are supposedly to "get rid of the Witch."  All that his wiring schemes do is reduce efficiency and turn the motor into a hybrid motor/electrical transformer.  Not even the slightest whiff of free energy there.

Bedini claims a standard bar magnet has a "north half" and a "south half" and that there is a Bloch wall between the two halves.

That's completely and totally ridiculous and it's laughable that Bedini makes that nonsensical claim.

So, to answer your question, no accomplishments in the realm of producing free energy from either of them.

I don't know enough about Eric Dollard to comment.

MileHigh

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Sad but true

TinselKoala

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But not related to any overunity effects, or am I missing something?
Every led has it's own resonant tank circuit .. nice.
MrClean measured more out than in.

Yes, you are missing something. Resonant tank circuits aren't new and they aren't free energy. "Measuring" more out than in isn't proving that you have more out than in, it is proving that your measurements are prone to error when there is RF, inductance, resonance, and other stuff sloshing around in your lab space. Concurrent validity is the by-word. You need to first validate your measurement methodology by measuring known UU devices and coming up with the right answer. Then you must measure your OU device with _other_ known good methodologies. Only if concurrently valid, multiple measurements using different techniques all give you the same answer, can you rely upon them for inferences.

Of course you could always self-loop your device and disconnect the battery supply.

Then you wouldn't need to make any measurements.

(Because the thing will stop running right away!!)

 ;)

TinselKoala

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@ Ein~+ein.... those folks over there are whacky. Err-on doesn't seem to realize that he is communicating using a product and a system that is the pinnacle of "mainstream science".... which is really just Science, the only science there is...... and that if it weren't for the "mainstream science" that he disrespects so disrespectfully, he probably wouldn't even be alive. And yet at the same time, his alternative pseudosciences have done nothing for the world except move dollars from the pockets of hopeful gullibles into the pockets of people like Err-on and Ashtwit themselves.

bajac

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Hello to all,


I found this thread very interesting!


I used to post at EnergeticForum as Wonju, but I decided not to continue posting after my disappointment with the people managing the site. It is kind of sad but I have to agree with you about the hidden agenda from the management of the forum. Except from Eric Dollard, the credibility of the those fellows at EnergeticForum is questionable.


However, that should not discourage us from pursuing overunity. Overunity is a fact and was taught by eminent people such as Tesla, Moray, Figuera, Gray, etc. I also have seen third party certified test report for some of the devices including the EV motor from Gray.


Thanks