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Author Topic: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator  (Read 37901 times)

Offline gauschor

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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2013, 07:49:31 PM »
Aside from this tragic incident I just wondered, why we haven't a topic about this kind of generator in this forum...?

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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2013, 08:24:43 PM »
The "Bearingless bedini" thread from Energetic forum tailed off with Pirate Twinbeard's supersonic spins. Now these Germans are running three transistors in parallel, and going that fast. Twinbeard ran primary flyback from his Starship coil into his solenoid output coil to accelerate the sphere with "Lenz Delay". The trio of transistors in the German schematic makes the drive circuit much simpler! The magnet sphere turns into a power plant toward desintigration r.p.m.


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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2013, 12:48:34 AM »
I think the real lesson in this tragedy is to ask yourself why.   Why did they try to spin up the ball to super high speed?  Was there a reason for doing that?  I doubt that there was.  People make these things and then try to push up the speed for pure sport, there is no real reason related to research.  It's the equivalent of a child playing with matches.  Hopefully others will learn from this.

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The magnet sphere turns into a power plant toward desintigration r.p.m.

That's just fantasy talk like usual.  Lots of talk but not much in terms of tests and results.   If you believe what you are saying then present some data to back up your claims.

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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2013, 03:47:16 AM »
Yeasterday we had a Google Hangout Videochat  about the safety aspect of the ball magnet
motors.

Unfortunately only in German language, so if you understand German language, have a look at this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaSURDDj1xA


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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2013, 01:04:51 PM »
I would say that normal caution would have prevented the accident.

One tests the thing with relatively low input and not too high turning rate. Nasty whining sounds are a clear indication that one approaches danger.

For an extreme test one switches the thing to a higher input power from behind a wall (or from an other room) with a longish cable. If one wants to watch a cheap web cam would do the trick.

I agree that many people spin their contraptions too fast with their faces close by. I might have done that occasionally and will be more careful from now on. I have learned that from this story.

A turning machine, a engine lathe or an angle grinder are far more dangerous than these experiments as long as one exercises natural caution. I read that the hand held electric planers cause the most gruesome accidents and angle grinders hurt a lot of feet.

The most dangerous thing people do in the rich countries is eating too much and the wrong products.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2013, 08:52:41 PM »
I think the real lesson in this tragedy is to ask yourself why.   Why did they try to spin up the ball to super high speed?  Was there a reason for doing that?  I doubt that there was.  People make these things and then try to push up the speed for pure sport, there is no real reason related to research.  It's the equivalent of a child playing with matches.  Hopefully others will learn from this.

Synchro1:

That's just fantasy talk like usual.  Lots of talk but not much in terms of tests and results.   If you believe what you are saying then present some data to back up your claims.

MileHigh

You're the guy who maintained Tesla's bifilar coil for electromagnets was void of any actual function. Lorentz maintains current's effected by magnetic field and visa versa. It takes power to magnetize and power's generated when material's demagnetized. That includes the Neodydmium metal the magnet's made from. We can see power come from decoupling in the Leedskalnin experiment after 2 years by RWG. Power's generated directly from the magnet the same way, at much higher frequencies! REG's video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=832qz3s1M-s

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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2013, 12:45:20 AM »
Synchro1:

I posted a question asking for someone to suggest an application for Tesla's "series bifilar" coil acting as a self-resonator and nobody had an answer.  Are you trying to imply that I am wrong with the sentence, "You're the guy who maintained Tesla's bifilar coil for electromagnets was void of any actual function."  If yes, what did I say that you think was wrong?

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We can see power come from decoupling in the Leedskalnin experiment after 2 years by RWG. Power's generated directly from the magnet the same way, at much higher frequencies!

You seem to be drawing a connection to the Leedskalnin experiment and the spinning ball magnet in a pulse motor.  There is no connection beyond the fact that changing magnetic flux passing through a loop of wire can result in power output if you connect a load across the ends of the wire.

Honestly, the "Leedskalnin experiment" is one of those funny things that takes on a life of its own on the forms.  This is a topic that might be covered in 20 minutes in a grade 8 physics class and then the class would move on and then nobody would give it a second thought.  Somehow Mr. Leedskalnin got his name associated with this and he somehow seems to have claimed ownership of it.  The problem is that many of the experimenters that play with the effect and make video clips, etc, can't actually explain exactly what is going on whereas a 13-year-old keener in grade 8 physics class could.  It's just one of those strange things in life.

Your comments about the sphere turning into a power plant or this earlier comment, "While it's behaving that way in tight resonant oscillation, there's no further draw on the power source" are simply wrong.  It's just fantasy talk Synchro1.

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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2013, 05:15:02 PM »
So is there overunity with this spinning magnetball device or not?

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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2013, 07:43:46 PM »
Pirate Twinbeard measured 253 amps from his output coil spinning a 1/8" neo sphere super sonic, enough current to fry all his circuitry. Could this be cold electricity? The Micro Cosmic plenum may reach absolute zero like the Macro one in outer space. Current drawn from there may be chilled down some. Have you seen his videos?  


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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2013, 09:02:59 PM »
Pirate Twinbeard measured 253 amps from his output coil spinning a 1/8" neo sphere super sonic, enough current to fry all his circuitry. Could this be cold electricity? The Micro Cosmic plenum may reach absolute zero like the Macro one in outer space. Current drawn from there may be chilled down some. Have you seen his videos?   


Go Speedracer! FlowerPower Frequency - YouTube

synchro1,

>>Twinbeard measured 253 amps from his output coil

How did he measure 253 amps?
What was the thickness of the wire used in the output coil?
At what voltage did he measure 253 amps?
What load did he have on the output coil while measuring 253 amps?

GL.

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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2013, 10:26:13 PM »
Pirate Twinbeard measured 253 amps from his output coil spinning a 1/8" neo sphere super sonic, enough current to fry all his circuitry. Could this be cold electricity? The Micro Cosmic plenum may reach absolute zero like the Macro one in outer space. Current drawn from there may be chilled down some. Have you seen his videos?   


Go Speedracer! FlowerPower Frequency - YouTube

Garbage in, garbage out. Twinbeard clearly has never experienced a kilovolt at one amp of real current, or he is unduly impressed by peak currents that last for very short times. And I grit my teeth at the scope abuse.

I don't really trust his "three million rpm" figure either, because I know that the pulsation frequency does not necessarily correspond to the rotation frequency. Does he ever show any concurrent measurement of the actual rotation of the magnet, to prove that he's getting 3,000,000 rpm? Has anyone actually calculated the centrifugal force and belt stresses at the surface of the magnet at that rotation rate?

This forum _really_ needs more smileys.

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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2013, 12:42:25 AM »
You can hear whatever it is spinning in the background at certain points in the clip.  It's somewhere around 100-150 Hz to my ears.  So let's say it is 125 Hz.  That's 7500 RPM.

At 3,000,000 RPM the spinny thing would disintegrate into thousands of tiny spears of shrapnel and spray you like a Tesla shotgun.

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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2013, 10:53:22 AM »
Both, the Germans (see the videos in the first post of this thread) and Twinbeard have a way of presenting their set up, circuit and results which is very hard to understand. Also the web sites are of limited help.

I do not think they want to hide something, it is just their way of doing things. Let's say, it is very unscientific.

It is absolutely not clear how much power is put in and what comes out. It is not even clear how the power comes out. The circuits show several ways of "power out" like charging a battery, charging capacitors, full diode bridge. All at the same time?

It might be interesting to build such a "ball magnet spinner" and to do proper measurements. Also the drive circuit could be enhanced in the direction of less power draw. The Germans went in this direction by separating the trigger coil from the drive coil (which could lower the losses through the well adapted number of windings for the trigger coil). May be a Hall sensor could allow more precise switching. Where to put the Hall sensor?

Both, Twinbeard and the Germans place the generator coil at about the same place (on top or below the drive coil).

The "ball magnet" seems to spin exactly in the centre of the drive coil. Twinbeard has "holder" for the ball magnet, the Germans seem to trap it inside a tube (and smaller inner tube, so that the ball magnet does not fall through).

Well, lots of questions, no precise measurements.

Greetings, Conrad



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Re: Tragic accident with ball magnet EMDR motor-generator
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2013, 03:44:40 PM »
I read Twinbeard's description of the FlowerPower device and looked at the schematic.  It's just a variation on a ball-spinner Bedini motor where he adds transformer couplings and stuff like that.

However, here is the most important point:  What he says in his write up is junked-up with a mish-mash of Voodoo electronics superstitions and cockamamie nonsense.  He is seemingly not aware of that and thinks he is doing really well for himself.

Here is the problem in a nutshell:  Joe Blow off the street wanders into a five-star French haute cuisine restaurant.  The owner runs up to him and says, "Our principal chef just had a car accident and we have a big banquet tonight, can we hire you for the position?"  The Joe Blow would say, "No!  Are you kidding, I can barely cook hot dogs!"  Same Joe Blow off the street wanders into an electronics lab and sees a scope and some coils and MOSFETs and says, "Hey!  I am going to design and build a free energy machine!"  Even though his total electronics experience amounts to changing the batteries in his flashlight, he seems to have no problem talking like he knows what he is talking about.  He saw it on YouTube so he is now an expert.

This phenomenon is very strange indeed.

Synchro1, if I met Twinbeard and we started doing stuff together on his bench with his ordinary and slightly funky pulse motor, I would spin circles around poor Twinbeard to the point that his jaw would permanently drop and he would be in shock.  Twinbeard barely knows what he is doing, which is not a problem at all.  However, the serious major problem is that he thinks he knows what he is doing.  At the same time I can't believe that he is so stupid that he is not on some level self-aware that he is just a Joe Blow off the street that barely knows anything about electronics.  This might be some kind of suppressed self-awareness phenomenon associated with free energy experimenters in electronics.

So that was a soap box rant, and a justified one.  You don't want to get a lethal shock or rip your hand apart with shrapnel, now do you?  I have met experimenters online that very clearly barely have a clue and they believe all sorts of Voodoo electronics nonsense and within a short while they tell me that they don't have time to "teach" me.

It's like taking a New Zealand sheep farmer and putting him in the soybean pit of the Chicago mercantile exchange - it just doesn't work.

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